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2016-11-02 13:19:33.114	 We have four amazing and

2016-11-02 13:19:36.173	 brilliant people to help us

2016-11-02 13:19:37.168	 unpack this conversation about

2016-11-02 13:19:38.162	 governance for social impact.

2016-11-02 13:19:41.222	 We have the cultural affairs

2016-11-02 13:19:42.209	 manager for the city of Oakland.

2016-11-02 13:19:45.288	 Judy belt the President and

2016-11-02 13:19:47.348	 C.E.O. of the California

2016-11-02 13:19:49.381	 wellness foundation.

2016-11-02 13:19:49.383	 Cedric brown, chief of community

2016-11-02 13:19:53.491	 engagement for social impact,

2016-11-02 13:19:55.591	 and Jeff Chang, an author and

2016-11-02 13:19:56.599	 director of the Stanford

2016-11-02 13:19:58.629	 institute for diversity in the

2016-11-02 13:19:59.658	 arts.

2016-11-02 13:20:00.715	 Thank you, guys.

2016-11-02 13:20:07.911	 let's give our audience sort of

2016-11-02 13:20:09.951	 the premise for this

2016-11-02 13:20:11.01	 conversation.

2016-11-02 13:20:11.011	 A community thrives when all its

2016-11-02 13:20:13.108	 members shape and contribute to

2016-11-02 13:20:14.034	 its creation.

2016-11-02 13:20:16.044	 Among many of the established

2016-11-02 13:20:18.085	 cultural institutions, however,

2016-11-02 13:20:19.119	 low income communities,

2016-11-02 13:20:20.132	 communities of color, and

2016-11-02 13:20:22.174	 younger demographics are

2016-11-02 13:20:24.167	 persistently under represented

2016-11-02 13:20:25.204	 as patrons, collaborators,

2016-11-02 13:20:29.238	 staff, contributors, and board

2016-11-02 13:20:30.239	 members.

2016-11-02 13:20:31.294	 The field has responded with

2016-11-02 13:20:33.332	 diversity, inclusion, and

2016-11-02 13:20:35.423	 engagement initiatives.

2016-11-02 13:20:37.446	 Staple ull tain yousely more

2016-11-02 13:20:38.469	 have been embracing equity as a

2016-11-02 13:20:40.506	 value and committing to social

2016-11-02 13:20:42.587	 impact as a core part of their

2016-11-02 13:20:44.689	 missions.

2016-11-02 13:20:48.792	 Many arts organizations are

2016-11-02 13:20:50.837	 working to resolve many aspects

2016-11-02 13:20:51.872	 from the programming they

2016-11-02 13:20:53.96	 nurture and present to the

2016-11-02 13:20:53.961	 people they hire, collaborators

2016-11-02 13:20:55.987	 they embrace, and beyond.

2016-11-02 13:20:58.05	 Less understood are the profound

2016-11-02 13:21:02.119	 implications that an equity

2016-11-02 13:21:03.127	 social framework has for

2016-11-02 13:21:04.119	 governing boards.

2016-11-02 13:21:05.141	 We are framing today's panel

2016-11-02 13:21:07.207	 discussion and afternoon

2016-11-02 13:21:08.205	 breakouts for the following

2016-11-02 13:21:10.259	 inquiries.

2016-11-02 13:21:10.261	 As arts organizations pivot to

2016-11-02 13:21:11.299	 become more equitable and

2016-11-02 13:21:12.345	 relevant, there is a growing

2016-11-02 13:21:14.372	 sense of urgency and opportunity

2016-11-02 13:21:16.459	 for us to reimagine the role of

2016-11-02 13:21:18.542	 the board.

2016-11-02 13:21:19.59	 What does the pivot toward

2016-11-02 13:21:21.666	 equity look like for a board?

2016-11-02 13:21:23.71	 What does governance for social

2016-11-02 13:21:24.756	 impact look like?

2016-11-02 13:21:26.784	 So I want to manage some

2016-11-02 13:21:29.831	 expectations.

2016-11-02 13:21:29.832	 Those are huge, over arching

2016-11-02 13:21:31.839	 questions.

2016-11-02 13:21:32.843	 We're not going to cover

2016-11-02 13:21:33.869	 everything.

2016-11-02 13:21:33.87	 By no means are we going to be

2016-11-02 13:21:35.955	 able to solve all the world's

2016-11-02 13:21:36.956	 equity issues in the next two

2016-11-02 13:21:39.035	 hours.

2016-11-02 13:21:39.036	 What we will do is explore,

2016-11-02 13:21:42.124	 unpack, dig deep, and attempt to

2016-11-02 13:21:43.164	 make a dent.

2016-11-02 13:21:45.176	 Okay.

2016-11-02 13:21:45.178	 I imagine race, gender,

2016-11-02 13:21:47.201	 sexuality, class, education,

2016-11-02 13:21:49.239	 etcetera are lots of issues that

2016-11-02 13:21:50.243	 will come up.

2016-11-02 13:21:51.281	 I am going to ask the panel to

2016-11-02 13:21:54.293	 go deep

2016-11-02 13:21:54.293	 .

2016-11-02 13:22:01.45	 No super fish yailty here.

2016-11-02 13:22:03.491	 Bring it.

2016-11-02 13:22:03.493	 I know you can.

2016-11-02 13:22:04.496	 The room may find itself in

2016-11-02 13:22:06.547	 discomfort.

2016-11-02 13:22:06.548	 That's okay.

2016-11-02 13:22:07.532	 I know from experience it is

2016-11-02 13:22:09.589	 absolutely possible to talk

2016-11-02 13:22:09.591	 about equity and within that

2016-11-02 13:22:11.619	 power and decision making

2016-11-02 13:22:12.625	 without the world ending, right?

2016-11-02 13:22:14.718	 Without jeopardizing the

2016-11-02 13:22:15.759	 integrity of valuable

2016-11-02 13:22:17.828	 relationships.

2016-11-02 13:22:17.83	 Okay?

2016-11-02 13:22:17.831	 So we got this.

2016-11-02 13:22:20.862	 All good.

2016-11-02 13:22:24.91	 We will hear from each of the

2016-11-02 13:22:26.987	 speakers individually first then

2016-11-02 13:22:28.002	 move into preplanned questions,

2016-11-02 13:22:30.014	 enjoy any spontaneous

2016-11-02 13:22:31.044	 conversations that ensue, then

2016-11-02 13:22:32.038	 move to audience, folks in the

2016-11-02 13:22:34.091	 room and folks in the Twitter

2016-11-02 13:22:37.161	 verse for a q and a.

2016-11-02 13:22:39.214	 With that, it is my pleasure to

2016-11-02 13:22:41.248	 introduce our first speaker,

2016-11-02 13:22:42.288	 Jeff Chang, author and director

2016-11-02 13:22:44.367	 of the Stanford institute for

2016-11-02 13:22:47.475	 diversity

2016-11-02 13:22:47.475	 of the arts.

2016-11-02 13:22:56.537	 Jeff: Thank you.

2016-11-02 13:22:56.538	 Can everybody hear me okay?

2016-11-02 13:22:56.539	 Good morning.

2016-11-02 13:22:56.541	 It's wonderful to be here.

2016-11-02 13:23:01.591	 Thank you so much to the irvine

2016-11-02 13:23:03.654	 foundation for response oring

2016-11-02 13:23:05.708	 this and a lot of love for

2016-11-02 13:23:08.751	 initiating this and to Diedra

2016-11-02 13:23:09.782	 for leading us through this.

2016-11-02 13:23:10.786	 I wanted to start off in the

2016-11-02 13:23:12.828	 spirit of discomfort with two

2016-11-02 13:23:14.833	 uncomfortable facts.

2016-11-02 13:23:15.868	 There's been a lot of studies

2016-11-02 13:23:18.958	 over the last several years on

2016-11-02 13:23:21.043	 the questions of cultural

2016-11-02 13:23:22.078	 equity.

2016-11-02 13:23:23.082	 And the first stat is that

2016-11-02 13:23:23.082	 from

2016-11-02 13:23:29.24	 a report that was done something

2016-11-02 13:23:31.331	 like 87% of leadership staff at

2016-11-02 13:23:33.366	 museums are white.

2016-11-02 13:23:34.413	 Across the country.

2016-11-02 13:23:42.536	 The other stat is maybe even

2016-11-02 13:23:43.577	 more telling.

2016-11-02 13:23:43.579	 The New York department of

2016-11-02 13:23:44.584	 cultural affairs put together a

2016-11-02 13:23:46.631	 study of all of its grantees.

2016-11-02 13:23:49.667	 A thousand arts organizations.

2016-11-02 13:23:51.733	 Over a thousand arts

2016-11-02 13:23:52.739	 organizations in New York City.

2016-11-02 13:23:53.741	 Pretty much every arts

2016-11-02 13:23:54.746	 organization you could possibly

2016-11-02 13:23:55.79	 imagine.

2016-11-02 13:23:55.792	 They asked a question of these

2016-11-02 13:23:58.833	 organizations, do you think your

2016-11-02 13:24:00.916	 organization is diverse?

2016-11-02 13:24:02.949	 69% of those organizations said

2016-11-02 13:24:05.043	 yes.

2016-11-02 13:24:06.031	 Absolutely.

2016-11-02 13:24:10.081	 We're diverse.

2016-11-02 13:24:10.083	 But if you looked at the

2016-11-02 13:24:11.119	 staffing and the board makeup

2016-11-02 13:24:13.203	 over 3/4 of the staff and boards

2016-11-02 13:24:14.201	 of those same organizations were

2016-11-02 13:24:17.24	 white.

2016-11-02 13:24:18.236	 This in a city that's about

2016-11-02 13:24:20.286	 one-third white.

2016-11-02 13:24:21.33	 And so this sort of points out,

2016-11-02 13:24:23.404	 I think, the gap between

2016-11-02 13:24:23.404	 our

2016-11-02 13:24:29.502	 intentions, our views, and what

2016-11-02 13:24:30.525	 the reality is of this

2016-11-02 13:24:32.536	 particular moment in history.

2016-11-02 13:24:35.59	 We're hurtling.

2016-11-02 13:24:36.622	 I tell my students all the time

2016-11-02 13:24:38.62	 at Stanford -- we're hurtling

2016-11-02 13:24:40.666	 toward 2042, which is the year

2016-11-02 13:24:42.739	 it's all supposed to go to hell.

2016-11-02 13:24:44.782	 The year in which the U.S.

2016-11-02 13:24:47.835	 becomes a majority/minority.

2016-11-02 13:24:48.877	 I tell them the most important

2016-11-02 13:24:49.911	 question of their time up there

2016-11-02 13:24:51.953	 with the question of climate

2016-11-02 13:24:54.017	 change, right, is the question

2016-11-02 13:24:57.087	 of if we're all minorities, how

2016-11-02 13:25:00.16	 do we form a new majority?

2016-11-02 13:25:02.244	 Now, here in California we've

2016-11-02 13:25:03.35	 already passed that demographic

2016-11-02 13:25:05.344	 point as well, right?

2016-11-02 13:25:07.363	 Where we're very much in this.

2016-11-02 13:25:09.449	 So these questions we're

2016-11-02 13:25:10.45	 actually grappling with right

2016-11-02 13:25:12.496	 now, here in California are in

2016-11-02 13:25:17.597	 some ways the questions that the

2016-11-02 13:25:18.626	 rest of the country needs to be

2016-11-02 13:25:20.641	 dealing with as well.

2016-11-02 13:25:21.627	 This is a perfect example of

2016-11-02 13:25:23.657	 trying to think about what a new

2016-11-02 13:25:25.806	 majority is going to be looking

2016-11-02 13:25:26.805	 like as you reach the middle

2016-11-02 13:25:28.845	 part of this century and beyond.

2016-11-02 13:25:30.876	 Okay?

2016-11-02 13:25:30.877	 So I wanted to kind of lead off

2016-11-02 13:25:33.969	 with that.

2016-11-02 13:25:36.001	 That we need to, in many ways,

2016-11-02 13:25:38.084	 catch up as arts institutions.

2016-11-02 13:25:40.11	 We need to be able to catch up

2016-11-02 13:25:41.119	 to what's happening right beyond

2016-11-02 13:25:43.157	 our doors, right?

2016-11-02 13:25:44.209	 And that the ways that we solve

2016-11-02 13:25:45.246	 these kinds of problems are

2016-11-02 13:25:47.334	 going to have massive impacts

2016-11-02 13:25:50.413	 all across the state, all across

2016-11-02 13:25:53.455	 the country for a very, very

2016-11-02 13:25:54.503	 long time to come.

2016-11-02 13:25:55.501	 This is our pivot point.

2016-11-02 13:25:56.535	 This is the point that we need

2016-11-02 13:25:58.624	 to make good on the promise of

2016-11-02 13:26:01.671	 diversity of inclusion but

2016-11-02 13:26:03.667	 especially a cultural equity.

2016-11-02 13:26:07.698	 And so I wanted to kind of bring

2016-11-02 13:26:09.738	 in, too, some other kinds of

2016-11-02 13:26:10.798	 studies that have been

2016-11-02 13:26:11.829	 happening.

2016-11-02 13:26:11.83	 The irvine foundation has been

2016-11-02 13:26:13.924	 at the forefront of this along

2016-11-02 13:26:14.909	 with the national endowment of

2016-11-02 13:26:15.98	 the arts looking at the question

2016-11-02 13:26:16.954	 of arts participation.

2016-11-02 13:26:18.989	 Right?

2016-11-02 13:26:18.99	 What we know is that arts

2016-11-02 13:26:23.079	 attendance has been dropping.

2016-11-02 13:26:25.089	 Pretty much across the board

2016-11-02 13:26:26.113	 with maybe the exception of the

2016-11-02 13:26:28.159	 most sort of expensive, elite

2016-11-02 13:26:32.298	 museums.

2016-11-02 13:26:32.299	 Right?

2016-11-02 13:26:33.333	 That arts attendance is

2016-11-02 13:26:34.385	 dropping.

2016-11-02 13:26:34.386	 At the same time,

2016-11-02 13:26:34.386	 the studies

2016-11-02 13:26:40.45	 have been finding arts

2016-11-02 13:26:42.484	 participation is up.

2016-11-02 13:26:43.494	 This is partly a function I

2016-11-02 13:26:44.525	 think from a research

2016-11-02 13:26:46.582	 standpoint, widening the frame.

2016-11-02 13:26:47.611	 Thinking of all these different

2016-11-02 13:26:49.619	 types of ways in which people

2016-11-02 13:26:50.651	 participate in the arts, in

2016-11-02 13:26:52.656	 communities.

2016-11-02 13:26:52.657	 And what I want to say is we

2016-11-02 13:26:54.712	 need to continue to open that

2016-11-02 13:26:56.747	 frame.

2016-11-02 13:26:56.748	 We need to continue to shift the

2016-11-02 13:26:59.824	 frame from butts in seats, arts

2016-11-02 13:27:01.9	 attendance, to arts

2016-11-02 13:27:03.942	 participation as a whole.

2016-11-02 13:27:04.947	 And to continue to think about

2016-11-02 13:27:06.991	 all theway is in which people

2016-11-02 13:27:08.062	 are engaging and making art and

2016-11-02 13:27:12.098	 making culture in their very

2016-11-02 13:27:14.117	 communities.

2016-11-02 13:27:14.117	 And what this does, the

2016-11-02 13:27:15.155	 challenge that it gives to arts

2016-11-02 13:27:19.189	 institutions, is to think of

2016-11-02 13:27:21.246	 yourselves not anymore as places

2016-11-02 13:27:23.279	 that people come to or places

2016-11-02 13:27:25.29	 that people will consume from ,

2016-11-02 13:27:29.365	 but it begs the question of what

2016-11-02 13:27:30.431	 arts institutions are doing in

2016-11-02 13:27:33.49	 communities.

2016-11-02 13:27:34.524	 What is the role of the arts and

2016-11-02 13:27:36.59	 the arts institutions in

2016-11-02 13:27:39.634	 communities?

2016-11-02 13:27:43.773	 In being able to generate

2016-11-02 13:27:45.879	 cultural change and cultural

2016-11-02 13:27:47.877	 transformations?

2016-11-02 13:27:47.878	 So we need to be able to rethink

2016-11-02 13:27:49.902	 our roles.

2016-11-02 13:27:50.906	 And in that regard, we need to

2016-11-02 13:27:52.942	 think of the way that the arts

2016-11-02 13:27:54.996	 happens as a kind of creative

2016-11-02 13:27:57.049	 ecosystem, right?

2016-11-02 13:27:58.078	 So you've got the Bees and

2016-11-02 13:28:01.116	 you've got the bears.

2016-11-02 13:28:02.122	 Many of our organizations are

2016-11-02 13:28:05.241	 bears, right?

2016-11-02 13:28:05.242	 There are a lot of bees buzzing

2016-11-02 13:28:07.326	 around there.

2016-11-02 13:28:08.376	 They're doing a lot of really

2016-11-02 13:28:09.377	 important work to make sure the

2016-11-02 13:28:11.407	 ecosystem is happening.

2016-11-02 13:28:12.443	 Then there are all the animals

2016-11-02 13:28:14.505	 and flora and fauna in between.

2016-11-02 13:28:16.528	 Right?

2016-11-02 13:28:16.529	 We have to think of ourselves in

2016-11-02 13:28:18.584	 terms of being part of this rich

2016-11-02 13:28:20.631	 ecosystem of culture that makes

2016-11-02 13:28:22.667	 up the cultural production that

2016-11-02 13:28:25.731	 we are seeing happening.

2016-11-02 13:28:28.836	 And in that regard, as we

2016-11-02 13:28:31.915	 continue to expand this idea of

2016-11-02 13:28:34.984	 arts engagement, right, we need

2016-11-02 13:28:35.983	 to then be able to think about

2016-11-02 13:28:38.033	 the ways in which different

2016-11-02 13:28:39.079	 parts of these ecosystems might

2016-11-02 13:28:41.153	 be represented in our

2016-11-02 13:28:44.245	 institutions on our boards.

2016-11-02 13:28:45.24	 So I just want to maybe leave it

2016-11-02 13:28:47.328	 at that to say that the impact

2016-11-02 13:28:50.378	 of what we're doing here

2016-11-02 13:28:50.378	 is

2016-11-02 13:28:57.496	 going to ripple out, right?

2016-11-02 13:28:58.492	 Moving toward the promise of a

2016-11-02 13:29:00.532	 new California.

2016-11-02 13:29:01.529	 Moving toward the promise of a

2016-11-02 13:29:02.575	 new America.

2016-11-02 13:29:04.651	 This kind

2016-11-02 13:29:04.651	 of stuff is

2016-11-02 13:29:12.83	 fundamental to who we're going

2016-11-02 13:29:12.831	 to see ourselves as in 2042 and

2016-11-02 13:29:12.832	 beyond.

2016-11-02 13:29:12.833	 Thanks very much.

2016-11-02 13:29:13.892	 Diedra: Thank you.

2016-11-02 13:29:16.918	 [applause]

2016-11-02 13:29:17.945	 Diedra: Our next speaker, Judy,

2016-11-02 13:29:19.982	 I told you you were third.

2016-11-02 13:29:20.989	 You're actually second.

2016-11-02 13:29:22.03	 Judy I heard that.

2016-11-02 13:29:23.074	 I had something sticking out my

2016-11-02 13:29:25.127	 cord.

2016-11-02 13:29:25.127	 I just want you to know.

2016-11-02 13:29:26.158	 But I'm ready.

2016-11-02 13:29:29.254	 Diedra: Judy?

2016-11-02 13:29:30.273	 Judy: Can you guys see it?

2016-11-02 13:29:31.282	 It's not always about me, but I

2016-11-02 13:29:33.377	 am vain.

2016-11-02 13:29:36.48	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 13:29:37.484	 Judy: And I'm not so sleepy.

2016-11-02 13:29:39.488	 I, although I view the bay area

2016-11-02 13:29:43.594	 as, you know, my home, my

2016-11-02 13:29:45.619	 California home, I'm actually a

2016-11-02 13:29:48.65	 Virginia girl.

2016-11-02 13:29:52.743	 I'll tell you a little about

2016-11-02 13:29:53.77	 that in a moment.

2016-11-02 13:29:54.782	 I grew up outside D.C. and

2016-11-02 13:29:56.825	 Alexandria, Virginia before it

2016-11-02 13:29:57.828	 was a tourist destination, but

2016-11-02 13:29:59.899	 made my way to California a long

2016-11-02 13:30:01.966	 time ago for either love or work

2016-11-02 13:30:02.997	 depending on the story that

2016-11-02 13:30:05.026	 either I tell or my husband

2016-11-02 13:30:09.134	 tells.

2016-11-02 13:30:09.135	 And then 12 years ago did

2016-11-02 13:30:11.171	 something I never thought I

2016-11-02 13:30:13.193	 would do .

2016-11-02 13:30:14.234	 I moved to L.A.

2016-11-02 13:30:17.376	 As a bay area snob kicking and

2016-11-02 13:30:20.455	 screaming.

2016-11-02 13:30:23.522	 And so the reason I got up at

2016-11-02 13:30:27.647	 4:45 this morning to get on a

2016-11-02 13:30:29.699	 plane was because of the focus

2016-11-02 13:30:34.834	 of our discussion.

2016-11-02 13:30:36.829	 One, the arts.

2016-11-02 13:30:38.897	 I am really passionate about

2016-11-02 13:30:38.897	 the

2016-11-02 13:30:43.947	 arts.

2016-11-02 13:30:43.948	 The arts have really transformed

2016-11-02 13:30:47.99	 my life and really in

2016-11-02 13:30:50.078	 significant ways.

2016-11-02 13:30:51.077	 If you guys can tap into that,

2016-11-02 13:30:55.153	 you know, I think if we came

2016-11-02 13:30:58.199	 together five years from now, it

2016-11-02 13:31:00.236	 might be a different story.

2016-11-02 13:31:01.286	 By the way, just tap me if I'm

2016-11-02 13:31:04.325	 talking too much, because I am a

2016-11-02 13:31:08.457	 -- because I am passionate.

2016-11-02 13:31:10.498	 I talk because I am passionate.

2016-11-02 13:31:13.531	 I also -- boards are very much,

2016-11-02 13:31:15.541	 you know, in my life.

2016-11-02 13:31:19.655	 I serve on a board for

2016-11-02 13:31:19.655	 one of

2016-11-02 13:31:26.88	 the larger funders of arts in

2016-11-02 13:31:28.906	 the country.

2016-11-02 13:31:29.914	 My bosses are boards.

2016-11-02 13:31:31.94	 Board members.

2016-11-02 13:31:34.95	 And I'm advised a lot -- I've

2016-11-02 13:31:38.083	 advised a lot of boards.

2016-11-02 13:31:39.076	 So what I bring to the

2016-11-02 13:31:42.167	 discussion will be some

2016-11-02 13:31:44.187	 practical tips .

2016-11-02 13:31:45.24	 I hope that you can leave with

2016-11-02 13:31:52.466	 these and start working on

2016-11-02 13:31:54.444	 tomorrow and as board members

2016-11-02 13:31:54.445	 and C.E.O.'s.

2016-11-02 13:31:55.495	 I wanted to just tell you two

2016-11-02 13:31:57.578	 stories.

2016-11-02 13:31:58.611	 I'm passionate about the arts.

2016-11-02 13:31:59.653	 I grew up in Alexandria,

2016-11-02 13:32:02.736	 Virginia outside of Washington,

2016-11-02 13:32:03.767	 D.C., before it was a tourist

2016-11-02 13:32:06.867	 destination.

2016-11-02 13:32:07.869	 I'm of the age that when I

2016-11-02 13:32:09.948	 started school I was bused about

2016-11-02 13:32:15.073	 10 miles away from my home to

2016-11-02 13:32:19.155	 school even though there was a

2016-11-02 13:32:21.19	 perfectly fine school a block

2016-11-02 13:32:22.201	 away.

2016-11-02 13:32:24.241	 Separate but equal.

2016-11-02 13:32:27.276	 Separate but very unequal.

2016-11-02 13:32:30.414	 My mother, who was 25 at the

2016-11-02 13:32:35.406	 time, got tired of my sister and

2016-11-02 13:32:38.534	 I standing out waiting for this

2016-11-02 13:32:41.624	 bus that often was late, and one

2016-11-02 13:32:48.736	 snowy morning and the bus didn't

2016-11-02 13:32:50.828	 come, she pulled us into the

2016-11-02 13:32:51.865	 house and I heard her say,

2016-11-02 13:32:51.865	 the

2016-11-02 13:32:58.1	 Belt girls are in.

2016-11-02 13:32:59.118	 What she had decided, and it was

2016-11-02 13:33:01.15	 a very courageous decision at

2016-11-02 13:33:02.152	 the time, was that we were in a

2016-11-02 13:33:09.278	 lawsuit that was testing the

2016-11-02 13:33:13.391	 Brown decision.

2016-11-02 13:33:13.393	 And that lawsuit was funded by

2016-11-02 13:33:17.474	 primarily a group of Jewish,

2016-11-02 13:33:21.547	 white leaders in Alexandria, who

2016-11-02 13:33:23.589	 felt this was outrageous.

2016-11-02 13:33:27.733	 Shortly, we won the lawsuit and

2016-11-02 13:33:29.772	 my sister and I went to that

2016-11-02 13:33:31.869	 neighborhood school.

2016-11-02 13:33:32.902	 And shortly after that, another

2016-11-02 13:33:37.001	 group of Philanthropists, a

2016-11-02 13:33:39.038	 woman who really believed that

2016-11-02 13:33:41.074	 art is so important that she

2016-11-02 13:33:44.116	 funded a program providing the

2016-11-02 13:33:48.191	 opportunity for folks like me

2016-11-02 13:33:48.191	 --

2016-11-02 13:33:53.274	 we didn't have a lot of

2016-11-02 13:33:55.365	 resources -- you know, we lived

2016-11-02 13:33:56.396	 10 miles from the White House

2016-11-02 13:33:57.412	 but didn't have running water,

2016-11-02 13:34:00.436	 which is unbelievable -- but she

2016-11-02 13:34:03.48	 funded a program to take

2016-11-02 13:34:06.577	 children like myself and my

2016-11-02 13:34:08.648	 sister to experience the arts.

2016-11-02 13:34:12.713	 So I remember with so much

2016-11-02 13:34:14.77	 clarity going to the national

2016-11-02 13:34:18.903	 theater in Washington, D.C.,

2016-11-02 13:34:19.919	 seeing a production of "Carmen"

2016-11-02 13:34:23.987	 and prior to going to see that,

2016-11-02 13:34:26.069	 we were told about the story.

2016-11-02 13:34:29.122	 And I sat there transformed.

2016-11-02 13:34:32.189	 It was like, I didn't even know

2016-11-02 13:34:33.2	 something like this could exist.

2016-11-02 13:34:36.237	 And that began a life long

2016-11-02 13:34:40.368	 passion and love for the theater

2016-11-02 13:34:42.425	 and for the arts.

2016-11-02 13:34:45.518	 It was trans formative in so

2016-11-02 13:34:47.574	 many ways.

2016-11-02 13:34:48.619	 So fast forward about my first

2016-11-02 13:34:51.652	 board experience.

2016-11-02 13:34:52.668	 I blew it and the person asking

2016-11-02 13:34:54.665	 me blew it.

2016-11-02 13:34:56.729	 I was working at a

2016-11-02 13:34:56.729	 local

2016-11-02 13:35:01.781	 university, really young.

2016-11-02 13:35:02.835	 And I had a crush on this

2016-11-02 13:35:06.899	 professor of Portugese studies.

2016-11-02 13:35:08.94	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 13:35:17.132	 and one day he came up -- I

2016-11-02 13:35:19.154	 didn't even know he knew I

2016-11-02 13:35:21.249	 existed.

2016-11-02 13:35:21.25	 He said would I be willing to

2016-11-02 13:35:23.283	 serve on a board of a small

2016-11-02 13:35:24.325	 organization, the Portugese

2016-11-02 13:35:25.367	 cultural center.

2016-11-02 13:35:26.386	 And I said, of course.

2016-11-02 13:35:30.437	 Didn't ask any questions.

2016-11-02 13:35:31.443	 Went to the first meeting.

2016-11-02 13:35:33.531	 The meeting was held in

2016-11-02 13:35:36.525	 Portugese.

2016-11-02 13:35:41.615	 the executive director was

2016-11-02 13:35:42.641	 glaring at me, because I hadn't

2016-11-02 13:35:44.697	 met her.

2016-11-02 13:35:45.73	 She hadn't met me.

2016-11-02 13:35:46.739	 You know, after a while I -- I

2016-11-02 13:35:49.77	 had never been to Portugal,

2016-11-02 13:35:50.787	 didn't know anything.

2016-11-02 13:35:52.835	 I just was like, I had done it

2016-11-02 13:35:55.875	 for all the wrong reasons.

2016-11-02 13:35:57.893	 So, finally, I went up to this

2016-11-02 13:35:58.902	 professor and said, you know

2016-11-02 13:36:01.94	 what?

2016-11-02 13:36:01.941	 Why did you ask me to do this?

2016-11-02 13:36:03.976	 And he said, because we needed

2016-11-02 13:36:07.025	 diversity.

2016-11-02 13:36:11.118	 I was devastated.

2016-11-02 13:36:12.127	 I didn't think he looked so cute

2016-11-02 13:36:14.16	 anymore either.

2016-11-02 13:36:15.186	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 13:36:20.273	 Judy : I've probably done my five

2016-11-02 13:36:24.33	 minutes.

2016-11-02 13:36:25.386	 Diedra: You have two more.

2016-11-02 13:36:28.412	 Judy: So I guess I would say

2016-11-02 13:36:29.449	 that is a way not to do it.

2016-11-02 13:36:33.528	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 13:36:33.529	 About diversity.

2016-11-02 13:36:34.576	 But it also meant I didn't do --

2016-11-02 13:36:37.628	 I didn't do my job either.

2016-11-02 13:36:39.683	 And I guess the part that is

2016-11-02 13:36:41.693	 still painful is that , you know,

2016-11-02 13:36:45.739	 as I've gone throughout my

2016-11-02 13:36:47.775	 career, I would say

2016-11-02 13:36:47.775	 almost --

2016-11-02 13:36:53.902	 and even before I got this job

2016-11-02 13:36:54.915	 where everyone in California is

2016-11-02 13:36:56.938	 my new best friend -- is that I

2016-11-02 13:36:59.981	 -- I asked, you know, to be --

2016-11-02 13:37:02.07	 I'm still asked to be on boards,

2016-11-02 13:37:04.112	 and I'm a little smarter.

2016-11-02 13:37:06.154	 I'll ask up front now, and I'll

2016-11-02 13:37:08.198	 say, why?

2016-11-02 13:37:09.232	 And most of the time folks would

2016-11-02 13:37:12.385	 say, you know, we're really

2016-11-02 13:37:13.392	 trying to increase our

2016-11-02 13:37:15.421	 diversity.

2016-11-02 13:37:16.448	 And that is still as painful as

2016-11-02 13:37:20.521	 it was the first time.

2016-11-02 13:37:21.527	 Because, yes, I am an

2016-11-02 13:37:26.632	 African-American.

2016-11-02 13:37:26.633	 I'm a woman.

2016-11-02 13:37:27.659	 And I own all of that.

2016-11-02 13:37:29.691	 But I bring much more to the

2016-11-02 13:37:31.735	 table.

2016-11-02 13:37:35.771	 And so as Diedra said, if we're

2016-11-02 13:37:38.869	 just talking about diversity,

2016-11-02 13:37:39.912	 you know, you just can't get

2016-11-02 13:37:42.954	 folks into the room, even how

2016-11-02 13:37:45.046	 you ask them.

2016-11-02 13:37:46.069	 Finally, one last story.

2016-11-02 13:37:48.083	 You should know I'm a story

2016-11-02 13:37:49.115	 teller.

2016-11-02 13:37:50.143	 Last night the reason I'm a

2016-11-02 13:37:51.186	 little ti red is we -- Cal

2016-11-02 13:37:54.233	 wellness just finished a big Cal

2016-11-02 13:37:56.329	 wellness poll asking people what

2016-11-02 13:37:58.376	 they thought about community.

2016-11-02 13:37:59.392	 And we had it in a very unusual

2016-11-02 13:38:04.495	 place.

2016-11-02 13:38:04.495	 In terms of sharing the

2016-11-02 13:38:07.571	 findings.

2016-11-02 13:38:07.572	 We had it in the museum of

2016-11-02 13:38:10.641	 contemporary art last night.

2016-11-02 13:38:11.642	 And it was one of the most

2016-11-02 13:38:13.648	 diverse groups I've e ver seen in

2016-11-02 13:38:17.774	 a large arts institution.

2016-11-02 13:38:18.783	 Most of the people were there to

2016-11-02 13:38:21.815	 hear about the findings.

2016-11-02 13:38:25.957	 I also eavesdrop a lot on Bart

2016-11-02 13:38:28.022	 and all of that.

2016-11-02 13:38:29.071	 You can get some interesting

2016-11-02 13:38:30.125	 pickup.

2016-11-02 13:38:30.125	 And what I heard this Hispanic

2016-11-02 13:38:34.143	 woman talking to this Asian man

2016-11-02 13:38:38.238	 saying, you know, I've never

2016-11-02 13:38:41.277	 been in this place before.

2016-11-02 13:38:42.282	 I mean, I'm thinking how could

2016-11-02 13:38:44.31	 you be in L.A. and not go to the

2016-11-02 13:38:46.362	 museum of contemporary art?

2016-11-02 13:38:49.441	 Because, you know, it just --

2016-11-02 13:38:52.522	 they hadn't been outreached.

2016-11-02 13:38:54.559	 And what I heard, which was

2016-11-02 13:38:56.571	 really exciting, is, you know, I

2016-11-02 13:38:58.626	 think I'll come back.

2016-11-02 13:39:00.652	 Because we couldn't get in to

2016-11-02 13:39:01.642	 see the exhibits.

2016-11-02 13:39:02.644	 We could only see them from

2016-11-02 13:39:03.689	 afar.

2016-11-02 13:39:03.689	 We were using the community

2016-11-02 13:39:06.695	 room.

2016-11-02 13:39:06.696	 I don't know who's in charge of

2016-11-02 13:39:08.728	 community relations at the

2016-11-02 13:39:10.777	 museum of con tremendous pri

2016-11-02 13:39:11.812	 art, but that was Brill -- at

2016-11-02 13:39:13.863	 the museum of contemporary art

2016-11-02 13:39:14.927	 but that was brilliant to offer

2016-11-02 13:39:16.94	 that building to bring in folks

2016-11-02 13:39:20.064	 who otherwise wouldn't.

2016-11-02 13:39:21.127	 I have as you can tell lots to

2016-11-02 13:39:23.114	 say on this topic but I'll stop.

2016-11-02 13:39:25.146	 Thank you.

2016-11-02 13:39:26.193	 [applause]

2016-11-02 13:39:27.193	 Diedra: Thank you.

2016-11-02 13:39:29.225	 And next it's my pleasure to ask

2016-11-02 13:39:33.235	 Cedric to join us.

2016-11-02 13:39:35.287	 Cedric: Thank you.

2016-11-02 13:39:36.307	 Can you hear me okay?

2016-11-02 13:39:37.324	 Okay.

2016-11-02 13:39:37.325	 Great.

2016-11-02 13:39:38.361	 So good morning, everybody.

2016-11-02 13:39:45.439	 Good morning, everybody.

2016-11-02 13:39:46.471	 >> Good morning.

2016-11-02 13:39:48.478	 Cedric: As the other Klummists,

2016-11-02 13:39:51.578	 I come from tradition.

2016-11-02 13:39:52.584	 I want people to know.

2016-11-02 13:39:53.621	 That's what I'm about.

2016-11-02 13:39:54.65	 I thank everyone for inviting me

2016-11-02 13:39:56.728	 to be on the panel today and I'm

2016-11-02 13:39:58.774	 certainly flattered and honored

2016-11-02 13:39:59.816	 to be here with these folks that

2016-11-02 13:40:01.89	 I just respect so much.

2016-11-02 13:40:05.937	 I want to also make sure to

2016-11-02 13:40:08.03	 thank Laurie and Deb and Suzanne

2016-11-02 13:40:09.027	 for constructing this, putting

2016-11-02 13:40:10.065	 this together.

2016-11-02 13:40:23.243	 equity means we're all in it

2016-11-02 13:40:26.323	 together.

2016-11-02 13:40:26.324	 While conversations may get

2016-11-02 13:40:28.399	 scary it means we're all in it

2016-11-02 13:40:29.393	 together.

2016-11-02 13:40:29.394	 We're building a boat for

2016-11-02 13:40:31.399	 everybody.

2016-11-02 13:40:31.4	 So keep that in mind.

2016-11-02 13:40:32.424	 I also want to make another

2016-11-02 13:40:35.477	 point and paint a metapicture.

2016-11-02 13:40:37.519	 I'll try and stick with my notes

2016-11-02 13:40:39.619	 here so I don't become too

2016-11-02 13:40:41.637	 loquacious.

2016-11-02 13:40:41.638	 There is tremendous economic

2016-11-02 13:40:43.648	 inequality in the United States.

2016-11-02 13:40:44.695	 We know that.

2016-11-02 13:40:45.726	 Where the top 25% of households

2016-11-02 13:40:47.726	 own 85% of the wealth.

2016-11-02 13:40:50.865	 Just let that sit.

2016-11-02 13:40:53.945	 20%, rather, own 85% of the

2016-11-02 13:40:55.979	 wealth.

2016-11-02 13:40:57.018	 Hum.

2016-11-02 13:40:57.019	 If you overlay that with the

2016-11-02 13:40:59.086	 race and ethnicity lens, the

2016-11-02 13:41:02.112	 picture doesn't look brighter.

2016-11-02 13:41:03.183	 It looks whiter.

2016-11-02 13:41:05.222	 And because the great wealth is

2016-11-02 13:41:07.317	 concentrated in the hands of so

2016-11-02 13:41:08.361	 few people and because

2016-11-02 13:41:11.397	 philanthropic institutions and

2016-11-02 13:41:13.44	 traditional nonprofit funding,

2016-11-02 13:41:15.48	 charitable donations and grant

2016-11-02 13:41:16.479	 making, rely on the kind of

2016-11-02 13:41:18.52	 larges, lack of a better word,

2016-11-02 13:41:20.605	 of those few people, there is a

2016-11-02 13:41:22.648	 practical danger that some if

2016-11-02 13:41:24.723	 not many of our nonprofits

2016-11-02 13:41:26.743	 aren't going to get the kind of

2016-11-02 13:41:28.795	 financing that they need to get

2016-11-02 13:41:29.773	 up, to get running, and to

2016-11-02 13:41:31.898	 become stable because those

2016-11-02 13:41:34.904	 N.P.O.'s are on the periphery of

2016-11-02 13:41:37.975	 those networks of wealth.

2016-11-02 13:41:38.98	 We've all seen that with our

2016-11-02 13:41:40.024	 grass roots community

2016-11-02 13:41:42.115	 organizations particularly.

2016-11-02 13:41:50.243	 so when organizations rely on

2016-11-02 13:41:52.277	 boards as the fundraising

2016-11-02 13:41:55.366	 apparatus it is easy to become

2016-11-02 13:41:56.361	 lulled into thinking most worthy

2016-11-02 13:41:59.402	 board members are the ones who

2016-11-02 13:42:01.504	 have the best or most

2016-11-02 13:42:04.49	 connections to financial and

2016-11-02 13:42:05.525	 social capital -- money and

2016-11-02 13:42:07.564	 networks.

2016-11-02 13:42:08.564	 So my fear is that without a

2016-11-02 13:42:10.612	 conscious and consistent effort

2016-11-02 13:42:12.686	 to strike a balance between what

2016-11-02 13:42:13.741	 I'll call the money and the

2016-11-02 13:42:15.728	 subject matter expertise,

2016-11-02 13:42:18.807	 organizations are going to fall

2016-11-02 13:42:19.819	 into this trap of defaulting to

2016-11-02 13:42:21.814	 those same circumscribed pools

2016-11-02 13:42:24.891	 of potential board members with

2016-11-02 13:42:25.895	 the financial and the social

2016-11-02 13:42:26.935	 capital.

2016-11-02 13:42:27.995	 The money and the networks.

2016-11-02 13:42:30.027	 So I feel like the challenge is

2016-11-02 13:42:32.07	 really to legitimately solicit

2016-11-02 13:42:34.067	 and value the input of board

2016-11-02 13:42:35.127	 members who are rooted in the

2016-11-02 13:42:37.144	 mission work.

2016-11-02 13:42:38.153	 Those folks who may not have had

2016-11-02 13:42:39.19	 the same kind of financial or

2016-11-02 13:42:42.221	 social capital as wealthier

2016-11-02 13:42:43.244	 members of the board but whose

2016-11-02 13:42:46.358	 information, whose perspectives,

2016-11-02 13:42:48.408	 advance the mission and the

2016-11-02 13:42:50.469	 impact bottom line.

2016-11-02 13:42:51.495	 So equity, again, begins with

2016-11-02 13:42:53.538	 this finding and establishing

2016-11-02 13:42:55.564	 that kind of equilibrium between

2016-11-02 13:42:58.645	 resources, kind of capital

2016-11-02 13:43:00.678	 resources, and subject matter

2016-11-02 13:43:02.687	 expertise.

2016-11-02 13:43:07.809	 and there is a lot of work to be

2016-11-02 13:43:08.808	 done in that regard in trying to

2016-11-02 13:43:11.86	 establish that equilibrium.

2016-11-02 13:43:13.893	 Often, because too often folks

2016-11-02 13:43:15.934	 substitute money for expertise

2016-11-02 13:43:18.015	 or money for knowledge.

2016-11-02 13:43:20.105	 Not the same thing.

2016-11-02 13:43:21.124	 I've met some dumb rich people.

2016-11-02 13:43:24.179	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 13:43:26.183	 Cedric: Just put that out there.

2016-11-02 13:43:27.231	 I mean --.

2016-11-02 13:43:29.267	 I think we all have.

2016-11-02 13:43:34.362	 On another note about boards,

2016-11-02 13:43:36.393	 how do we think about boards?

2016-11-02 13:43:37.393	 Do we think about boards as

2016-11-02 13:43:39.408	 being dynamic like the staff or

2016-11-02 13:43:40.431	 do we think of them as being

2016-11-02 13:43:42.502	 these kind of rigid bodies that

2016-11-02 13:43:45.539	 are kind of right on the edge of

2016-11-02 13:43:47.607	 understanding what organizations

2016-11-02 13:43:48.61	 are about.

2016-11-02 13:43:48.61	 Oh, yeah, yeah.

2016-11-02 13:43:54.722	 I'll look at the 990 when we

2016-11-02 13:43:57.804	 really don't have a deep

2016-11-02 13:43:58.81	 understanding of the daily

2016-11-02 13:43:59.825	 workings of the board and

2016-11-02 13:44:00.862	 sometimes are regarded by staff

2016-11-02 13:44:01.929	 folks as being the necessary

2016-11-02 13:44:03.934	 interloper.

2016-11-02 13:44:04.993	 Right?

2016-11-02 13:44:04.994	 Okay.

2016-11-02 13:44:04.994	 We have to have a board meeting.

2016-11-02 13:44:07.057	 What are we going to tell them

2016-11-02 13:44:08.111	 this time?

2016-11-02 13:44:09.144	 They don't know what's happening

2016-11-02 13:44:10.144	 on a day-to-day basis here.

2016-11-02 13:44:13.266	 We need to change that kind of

2016-11-02 13:44:14.275	 involvement and perception.

2016-11-02 13:44:17.325	 Can boards shape shift and code

2016-11-02 13:44:20.361	 switch and move back and forth

2016-11-02 13:44:21.397	 between the formality of

2016-11-02 13:44:23.397	 business and then formality of

2016-11-02 13:44:25.44	 building trusting relationships?

2016-11-02 13:44:27.476	 Because here, yet again,

2016-11-02 13:44:28.514	 questions of the hierarchy of

2016-11-02 13:44:30.519	 human value come into play.

2016-11-02 13:44:32.562	 Hierarchy of human value is a

2016-11-02 13:44:35.687	 concept that gale Kristoffer at

2016-11-02 13:44:38.724	 the Kellogg foundation has

2016-11-02 13:44:39.729	 talked about a lot and really

2016-11-02 13:44:41.771	 advanced this notion of we

2016-11-02 13:44:42.768	 ascribe the most value to people

2016-11-02 13:44:44.859	 at the apex of that hierarchy

2016-11-02 13:44:46.907	 based upon app earance, based on

2016-11-02 13:44:47.906	 class, based on these other

2016-11-02 13:44:49.938	 things that really have little

2016-11-02 13:44:52.978	 to do with actual value.

2016-11-02 13:44:54.975	 If we're moving toward equity,

2016-11-02 13:44:57.02	 everybody in that -- there

2016-11-02 13:44:58.054	 shouldn't be a pyramid.

2016-11-02 13:45:00.103	 Everybody should be equal and

2016-11-02 13:45:01.102	 you should be able to turn the

2016-11-02 13:45:02.165	 pyramid on any side and anybody

2016-11-02 13:45:04.194	 would o pop up.

2016-11-02 13:45:05.219	 The hierarchy of human value.

2016-11-02 13:45:07.23	 Whose voices are loudest on

2016-11-02 13:45:10.325	 boards because of the

2016-11-02 13:45:12.38	 perceptions of boards being all

2016-11-02 13:45:15.411	 powerful?

2016-11-02 13:45:15.412	 And how do we work beyond the

2016-11-02 13:45:18.434	 hierarchy of human value to

2016-11-02 13:45:21.481	 indeed strike this equal ibary

2016-11-02 13:45:24.619	 um between --

2016-11-02 13:45:24.619	 equilibrium

2016-11-02 13:45:29.679	 between folks bringing in

2016-11-02 13:45:30.684	 necessary resources, and we

2016-11-02 13:45:31.733	 value them, and the folks

2016-11-02 13:45:33.741	 bringing in subject matter

2016-11-02 13:45:34.726	 expertise and making arts

2016-11-02 13:45:35.771	 organizations, making any kind

2016-11-02 13:45:36.811	 of organization relevant in the

2016-11-02 13:45:38.858	 community in which it exists?

2016-11-02 13:45:41.937	 I'll stop there and wait for the

2016-11-02 13:45:42.931	 questions.

2016-11-02 13:45:44.936	 Diedra: Excellent.

2016-11-02 13:45:45.939	 Thank you very much.

2016-11-02 13:45:46.972	 [applause]

2016-11-02 13:45:50.058	 Diedra: It is my pleasure to in

2016-11-02 13:45:53.112	 vite Roberto bedoya into the

2016-11-02 13:45:55.163	 conversation as well.

2016-11-02 13:45:57.179	 Roberto: Thank you everybody.

2016-11-02 13:45:57.18	 Look out there.

2016-11-02 13:46:06.427	 Thank you for inviting me.

2016-11-02 13:46:07.439	 Thank you, my fellow colleagues.

2016-11-02 13:46:08.476	 I have an odd mind so my notes

2016-11-02 13:46:14.641	 feel really lost in the stars.

2016-11-02 13:46:16.67	 So I will go there because those

2016-11-02 13:46:17.684	 are my notes.

2016-11-02 13:46:18.717	 So I've been thinking a lot

2016-11-02 13:46:20.762	 about governance.

2016-11-02 13:46:21.766	 I think about governance and I

2016-11-02 13:46:23.823	 think about race.

2016-11-02 13:46:23.823	 But I also think about right now

2016-11-02 13:46:25.872	 what I want to talk about,

2016-11-02 13:46:26.889	 stewardship.

2016-11-02 13:46:27.904	 So these are some very -- some

2016-11-02 13:46:30.928	 things I pulled together.

2016-11-02 13:46:33.008	 The definition from Webster's

2016-11-02 13:46:35.049	 dictionary is around

2016-11-02 13:46:36.067	 stewardship, the office, duties,

2016-11-02 13:46:38.116	 and obligations of a steward.

2016-11-02 13:46:41.224	 The conducting, supervising, or

2016-11-02 13:46:43.318	 managing of something especially

2016-11-02 13:46:44.329	 the careful and responsible

2016-11-02 13:46:46.312	 management of something

2016-11-02 13:46:47.356	 entrusted to one's care.

2016-11-02 13:46:51.427	 Stewardship is a responsibility

2016-11-02 13:47:01.653	 of taking care.

2016-11-02 13:47:01.653	 Taking care of property,

2016-11-02 13:47:01.654	 finances, the needs of others,

2016-11-02 13:47:01.654	 something that one does not own.

2016-11-02 13:47:02.7	 Religious orders often speak

2016-11-02 13:47:02.701	 about stewardship in the context

2016-11-02 13:47:04.73	 of service over self-interests.

2016-11-02 13:47:06.81	 They also speak about

2016-11-02 13:47:07.858	 stewardship in the context of

2016-11-02 13:47:09.918	 being responsible for church

2016-11-02 13:47:12.977	 finances.

2016-11-02 13:47:14.026	 Stewardship and philanthropy

2016-11-02 13:47:15.056	 refers to donor relations taking

2016-11-02 13:47:17.054	 care of the intention and

2016-11-02 13:47:19.107	 management of donor funds.

2016-11-02 13:47:20.122	 In the organizational context it

2016-11-02 13:47:22.158	 refers to the proper management

2016-11-02 13:47:24.187	 of property and facilities,

2016-11-02 13:47:26.235	 personnel, finances, and

2016-11-02 13:47:30.304	 stakeholders' relationships.

2016-11-02 13:47:31.306	 Environmental stewardship refers

2016-11-02 13:47:32.304	 to the management and

2016-11-02 13:47:34.359	 conservation of natural

2016-11-02 13:47:36.428	 resources, consistent with the

2016-11-02 13:47:38.433	 ecosystem management principles .

2016-11-02 13:47:41.479	 It is often in this context you

2016-11-02 13:47:43.54	 hear the word sustainability.

2016-11-02 13:47:45.605	 Then there's cultural

2016-11-02 13:47:47.628	 stewardship.

2016-11-02 13:47:47.628	 That's kind of my home plate.

2016-11-02 13:47:50.663	 My ground.

2016-11-02 13:47:51.684	 I think about stewardship and us

2016-11-02 13:47:54.728	 in this room being good stewards

2016-11-02 13:47:56.802	 of imagination.

2016-11-02 13:47:57.846	 And that means that we celebrate

2016-11-02 13:48:00.884	 our cultural communities' work,

2016-11-02 13:48:01.915	 we support the management

2016-11-02 13:48:03.945	 practices grounded in

2016-11-02 13:48:06.056	 stewardship that enable our

2016-11-02 13:48:07.056	 services to fully -- now that is

2016-11-02 13:48:09.105	 a key word -- fully meet and

2016-11-02 13:48:11.16	 advance the social, economic,

2016-11-02 13:48:13.2	 and aesthetic goals of our

2016-11-02 13:48:15.23	 constituency.

2016-11-02 13:48:15.23	 We prompt and promote the ways

2016-11-02 13:48:17.259	 we imagine our lives together

2016-11-02 13:48:20.314	 through aesthetic experiences

2016-11-02 13:48:22.357	 that animate our pluralityy .

2016-11-02 13:48:26.511	 As a policy maker stewardship is

2016-11-02 13:48:27.522	 a guiding principle.

2016-11-02 13:48:28.577	 It is a metaphor we employ in

2016-11-02 13:48:31.606	 our practice so to enliven the

2016-11-02 13:48:34.703	 social imaginary which the

2016-11-02 13:48:35.678	 philosopher describes as "the

2016-11-02 13:48:38.764	 way people imagine the social

2016-11-02 13:48:42.849	 ist, how they fit together with

2016-11-02 13:48:43.864	 others, how things go on between

2016-11-02 13:48:44.851	 them and their fellows, the

2016-11-02 13:48:46.912	 expectations that are normally

2016-11-02 13:48:47.933	 met and the deeper Normative

2016-11-02 13:48:50.971	 notions and images that

2016-11-02 13:48:52.006	 underline these expectations."

2016-11-02 13:48:53.016	 He goes on to say, I adopt

2016-11-02 13:48:57.168	 imaginary because my focus is on

2016-11-02 13:48:59.183	 the way ordinary people imagine

2016-11-02 13:49:01.227	 their social surroundings.

2016-11-02 13:49:02.258	 That is often about not

2016-11-02 13:49:05.317	 expressed in theoretical terms

2016-11-02 13:49:06.338	 but is carried in images,

2016-11-02 13:49:08.361	 stories, and legend.

2016-11-02 13:49:11.434	 My charge, and our charge, and

2016-11-02 13:49:13.483	 it's a governance charge is to

2016-11-02 13:49:15.508	 introduce the language of

2016-11-02 13:49:17.576	 stewardship into how we work.

2016-11-02 13:49:19.608	 How do we prompt the social

2016-11-02 13:49:20.66	 measure?

2016-11-02 13:49:21.677	 How do we talk about the value

2016-11-02 13:49:24.716	 of the organization in our

2016-11-02 13:49:25.728	 community and understand that

2016-11-02 13:49:27.782	 they operate as being good

2016-11-02 13:49:28.798	 stewards of imagination coupled

2016-11-02 13:49:30.86	 with being good stewards with

2016-11-02 13:49:32.867	 how one manages their systems of

2016-11-02 13:49:34.923	 operations.

2016-11-02 13:49:35.917	 A fault line among art

2016-11-02 13:49:37.934	 management analysis and rhetoric

2016-11-02 13:49:40.021	 is the embrace of sustainability

2016-11-02 13:49:44.175	 as a tool used in evaluation.

2016-11-02 13:49:48.269	 Instead of stewardship.

2016-11-02 13:49:50.309	 I've seen how over the last 20

2016-11-02 13:49:53.356	 years the definition of

2016-11-02 13:49:54.424	 stewardship, sustainability,

2016-11-02 13:49:57.436	 excuse me, pause.

2016-11-02 13:49:58.464	 I've seen how over the last 20

2016-11-02 13:50:00.513	 years the definition of

2016-11-02 13:50:01.554	 sustainability has been used

2016-11-02 13:50:03.653	 against organizations of color.

2016-11-02 13:50:06.675	 That fail in some measurement

2016-11-02 13:50:08.719	 metric of it.

2016-11-02 13:50:09.72	 Yet, they're still around.

2016-11-02 13:50:11.758	 You know, we all know the

2016-11-02 13:50:14.862	 nonprofit art center

2016-11-02 13:50:14.862	 that has

2016-11-02 13:50:20.967	 failed some management tool

2016-11-02 13:50:23.013	 assessment kit and yet they're

2016-11-02 13:50:24.036	 still alive.

2016-11-02 13:50:25.081	 I'm saying it's not that they

2016-11-02 13:50:26.105	 failed.

2016-11-02 13:50:26.106	 The way that we're understanding

2016-11-02 13:50:29.18	 their value is totally wrong.

2016-11-02 13:50:33.219	 The politics -- and so the

2016-11-02 13:50:36.27	 deficiency associated with

2016-11-02 13:50:40.304	 sustainability as a management

2016-11-02 13:50:42.345	 tool is that it does not

2016-11-02 13:50:44.397	 acknowledge risk or the politics

2016-11-02 13:50:46.479	 of governance of structural

2016-11-02 13:50:47.513	 racism in our sector.

2016-11-02 13:50:49.562	 If we look at stewardship as a

2016-11-02 13:50:51.621	 way to understand impact and

2016-11-02 13:50:52.655	 value, what does it mean to be

2016-11-02 13:50:54.734	 good stewards of a call?

2016-11-02 13:50:56.8	 Being good stewards of

2016-11-02 13:50:58.858	 imagination?

2016-11-02 13:51:00.925	 Acknowledge aesthetic

2016-11-02 13:51:01.952	 experiences, legends, stories,

2016-11-02 13:51:03.992	 events of humanity.

2016-11-02 13:51:05.016	 That we can balance the

2016-11-02 13:51:07.049	 management needs for the

2016-11-02 13:51:08.072	 empirical.

2016-11-02 13:51:08.073	 You all need data.

2016-11-02 13:51:11.148	 But with the knowledge at work

2016-11-02 13:51:15.227	 that administrators, board

2016-11-02 13:51:17.26	 members, and artists deal with?

2016-11-02 13:51:20.33	 So I think ab out that in the

2016-11-02 13:51:21.354	 context of, again, my

2016-11-02 13:51:24.424	 hypothetical, the nonprofit

2016-11-02 13:51:25.429	 that's 30 years old and still

2016-11-02 13:51:26.441	 hand to mouth.

2016-11-02 13:51:28.535	 We're not counting their

2016-11-02 13:51:29.512	 volunteers.

2016-11-02 13:51:29.513	 We're not counting all of the

2016-11-02 13:51:32.604	 people that kind of keep the

2016-11-02 13:51:34.653	 doors open and somehow this

2016-11-02 13:51:37.68	 notion of success is not tied to

2016-11-02 13:51:41.868	 being good stewards .

2016-11-02 13:51:42.891	 Stewardship is the key

2016-11-02 13:51:43.9	 ingredient for creating a sense

2016-11-02 13:51:45.924	 of community.

2016-11-02 13:51:46.986	 For developing the ability for

2016-11-02 13:51:49.011	 collective action and for

2016-11-02 13:51:50.055	 building a healthy democracy.

2016-11-02 13:51:53.119	 Stewardship illuminates how

2016-11-02 13:51:55.148	 taking care, imagination, and

2016-11-02 13:51:57.153	 policy condition each other.

2016-11-02 13:51:59.188	 I love that line.

2016-11-02 13:52:00.214	 I'll say it again.

2016-11-02 13:52:02.268	 Stewardship illuminates how

2016-11-02 13:52:03.303	 taking care, imagination, and

2016-11-02 13:52:05.344	 policy condition each other.

2016-11-02 13:52:08.398	 It emboldens the contract

2016-11-02 13:52:11.48	 between artist and audience by

2016-11-02 13:52:12.471	 paying attention to the caller

2016-11-02 13:52:16.61	 respond context of that

2016-11-02 13:52:17.646	 contract.

2016-11-02 13:52:17.647	 Our charge is to deliver an

2016-11-02 13:52:19.652	 understanding of cultural

2016-11-02 13:52:20.688	 stewardship that can be used for

2016-11-02 13:52:21.714	 the benefit of our civic charge

2016-11-02 13:52:27.856	 tethered as it is to ethics and

2016-11-02 13:52:30.937	 aesthetics.

2016-11-02 13:52:30.938	 Sort of our biggest note our

2016-11-02 13:52:32.963	 biggest challenge today is

2016-11-02 13:52:33.973	 structural racism and how it

2016-11-02 13:52:36.064	 shapes our governance policy.

2016-11-02 13:52:41.195	 [applause]

2016-11-02 13:52:43.255	 Diedra: Thank you.

2016-11-02 13:52:46.26	 I'll take it from there.

2016-11-02 13:52:51.317	 So I want to follow that up that

2016-11-02 13:52:53.409	 we have a question for you,

2016-11-02 13:52:57.512	 Cedric, planned.

2016-11-02 13:52:58.57	 I want to know kind of what your

2016-11-02 13:53:00.644	 thoughts are to that question,

2016-11-02 13:53:04.683	 that statement of one of the

2016-11-02 13:53:06.725	 biggest issues for governing

2016-11-02 13:53:07.734	 boards right now is structural

2016-11-02 13:53:11.902	 racism.

2016-11-02 13:53:11.902	 What does that mean to you?

2016-11-02 13:53:17.968	 Cedric: I think Roberto was more

2016-11-02 13:53:20.025	 blunt about saying it than I was

2016-11-02 13:53:21.014	 with the hierarchy of human

2016-11-02 13:53:22.062	 value but the y are tied together

2016-11-02 13:53:24.093	 and the ways that again we view

2016-11-02 13:53:26.143	 and value certain kinds of

2016-11-02 13:53:28.171	 contributors, certain kinds of

2016-11-02 13:53:29.183	 members of community as

2016-11-02 13:53:31.237	 potentially bringing forward

2016-11-02 13:53:33.263	 more worth, more value, more

2016-11-02 13:53:35.304	 whatever to conversations.

2016-11-02 13:53:37.362	 That's part of -- that is what

2016-11-02 13:53:39.457	 structural racism is built on,

2016-11-02 13:53:41.508	 so I'm glad you called it out.

2016-11-02 13:53:42.542	 I was being a southern

2016-11-02 13:53:44.631	 gentleman.

2016-11-02 13:53:45.652	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 13:53:46.712	 Cedric: I'm just kidding but I'm

2016-11-02 13:53:48.719	 glad that you named what it is.

2016-11-02 13:53:50.719	 Diedra: It is interesting when

2016-11-02 13:53:51.762	 you say that.

2016-11-02 13:53:51.763	 I thought when I was taking my

2016-11-02 13:53:53.802	 notes there was that commonality

2016-11-02 13:53:55.802	 around value and what is it we

2016-11-02 13:53:56.845	 are valuing.

2016-11-02 13:53:57.865	 This is something you brought up

2016-11-02 13:53:59.894	 around the, you know, how the

2016-11-02 13:54:02.925	 balance between money and

2016-11-02 13:54:04.989	 subject matter and the value --

2016-11-02 13:54:08.045	 the value of -- the human value,

2016-11-02 13:54:10.104	 the hierarchy shall the pyramid.

2016-11-02 13:54:12.096	 I guess my question is, how

2016-11-02 13:54:13.096	 would you actually disrupt that

2016-11-02 13:54:15.101	 balance that currently exists?

2016-11-02 13:54:17.18	 We know it exists.

2016-11-02 13:54:19.187	 How do we break it?

2016-11-02 13:54:20.181	 Is that a force from the

2016-11-02 13:54:22.263	 outside?

2016-11-02 13:54:22.263	 Is that governing board members

2016-11-02 13:54:24.298	 who have to do that work?

2016-11-02 13:54:26.35	 Cedric: You're asking all of us

2016-11-02 13:54:27.354	 right?

2016-11-02 13:54:28.403	 Diedra: I'm starting with you

2016-11-02 13:54:29.444	 but, yes, you guys can jump in

2016-11-02 13:54:31.476	 for sure.

2016-11-02 13:54:33.563	 Cedric: Of course everything

2016-11-02 13:54:33.563	 starts with awareness and

2016-11-02 13:54:35.594	 intention and taking action

2016-11-02 13:54:36.642	 based on the awareness and

2016-11-02 13:54:39.709	 intention.

2016-11-02 13:54:39.71	 That's what this forum is

2016-11-02 13:54:40.742	 supposed to be about.

2016-11-02 13:54:42.765	 If folks were to leave from here

2016-11-02 13:54:43.795	 and I don't know who is gathered

2016-11-02 13:54:45.841	 here so I'm not judging you

2016-11-02 13:54:47.85	 personally but if folks were to

2016-11-02 13:54:48.9	 leave from here without taking

2016-11-02 13:54:50.932	 further action on what we know

2016-11-02 13:54:51.961	 is an issue for organizations,

2016-11-02 13:54:52.969	 then it would be kind of a

2016-11-02 13:54:54.993	 disappointment.

2016-11-02 13:54:55.972	 I feel like that's just the

2016-11-02 13:54:58.051	 first and most accessible step

2016-11-02 13:54:59.068	 with trying to disrupt what

2016-11-02 13:55:02.113	 these systems have been.

2016-11-02 13:55:05.174	 Do I have more finely tuned

2016-11-02 13:55:07.28	 advice right now?

2016-11-02 13:55:09.219	 No.

2016-11-02 13:55:10.267	 Diedra: It's okay.

2016-11-02 13:55:15.36	 Jeff: I'm trying to figure out,

2016-11-02 13:55:17.423	 and I think this is actually the

2016-11-02 13:55:18.421	 afternoon conversation where

2016-11-02 13:55:19.431	 folks will be talking about

2016-11-02 13:55:21.465	 systems, methods, tactics,

2016-11-02 13:55:24.509	 goals, and those kinds of

2016-11-02 13:55:25.549	 things, but I just was trying to

2016-11-02 13:55:30.598	 square the conversation that you

2016-11-02 13:55:32.682	 started about being the person

2016-11-02 13:55:35.677	 who gets asked to be on the

2016-11-02 13:55:36.717	 board because you're -- because

2016-11-02 13:55:39.725	 you suddenly become the

2016-11-02 13:55:41.762	 diversity.

2016-11-02 13:55:42.809	 Judy: They like tall people.

2016-11-02 13:55:43.846	 Jeff: Yeah.

2016-11-02 13:55:46.897	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 13:55:49.932	 Jeff: And thinking about sort of

2016-11-02 13:55:51.965	 the -- what needs to be done.

2016-11-02 13:55:55.047	 I'm sort of struggling with that

2016-11-02 13:55:58.109	 in so many ways because I've

2016-11-02 13:56:00.152	 been there.

2016-11-02 13:56:00.152	 I know that kind of feeling.

2016-11-02 13:56:02.18	 Not nearly as much as you've

2016-11-02 13:56:03.216	 been there but I know that

2016-11-02 13:56:05.39	 feeling.

2016-11-02 13:56:09.393	 I think there are ways we could

2016-11-02 13:56:11.424	 devise a whole bunch of systems

2016-11-02 13:56:12.461	 and tactics and goals that maybe

2016-11-02 13:56:14.47	 get us there.

2016-11-02 13:56:15.513	 But it seems to me that there

2016-11-02 13:56:16.593	 needs to be a cultural shift in

2016-11-02 13:56:19.598	 terms of the ways that we think

2016-11-02 13:56:20.643	 about the boards.

2016-11-02 13:56:21.641	 That's what the -- that's what I

2016-11-02 13:56:23.679	 think both of you are alluding

2016-11-02 13:56:24.714	 to in this particular instance.

2016-11-02 13:56:27.754	 Judy: Because I'm not going to

2016-11-02 13:56:28.804	 be with you this afternoon I

2016-11-02 13:56:29.811	 feel like I'm going to jump to

2016-11-02 13:56:33.847	 tactics and ideas now.

2016-11-02 13:56:40.972	 I want to give a shout out to

2016-11-02 13:56:43.012	 all of the board members.

2016-11-02 13:56:44.049	 I know many of you have day jobs

2016-11-02 13:56:46.072	 anti deyou would give up a day,

2016-11-02 13:56:47.102	 I don't know if it is because

2016-11-02 13:56:49.153	 irvine told you you have to be

2016-11-02 13:56:50.161	 here or you're just here but

2016-11-02 13:56:52.154	 you're here and so I

2016-11-02 13:56:52.154	 am always

2016-11-02 13:56:57.261	 disappointed sometimes when I

2016-11-02 13:56:58.314	 come to meetings because I'm

2016-11-02 13:57:00.397	 kind of saying, that was great.

2016-11-02 13:57:02.423	 Now what do I do?

2016-11-02 13:57:04.51	 And so only just because as I

2016-11-02 13:57:07.59	 now have more years behind me

2016-11-02 13:57:10.653	 than before, my deal is what can

2016-11-02 13:57:12.647	 I do kind of where I am?

2016-11-02 13:57:15.719	 Because races specially ,

2016-11-02 13:57:15.719	 race,

2016-11-02 13:57:20.853	 equity, all of those sorts of

2016-11-02 13:57:22.893	 things are really hard to do.

2016-11-02 13:57:23.898	 So I'll just throw out a couple

2016-11-02 13:57:25.97	 of things.

2016-11-02 13:57:28.06	 One, you know, excellence.

2016-11-02 13:57:31.1	 Kind of look at how you could do

2016-11-02 13:57:33.173	 your job the best that you can.

2016-11-02 13:57:36.231	 And if you -- if you're

2016-11-02 13:57:40.307	 thinking, well, I got to have

2016-11-02 13:57:43.347	 money raised and all of this

2016-11-02 13:57:44.389	 just kind of look at research

2016-11-02 13:57:46.393	 that Scott Paige from the

2016-11-02 13:57:47.392	 university of Michigan has done

2016-11-02 13:57:48.397	 where he basically says, makes a

2016-11-02 13:57:53.555	 business case for equity,

2016-11-02 13:57:56.618	 inclusion, and others.

2016-11-02 13:57:57.64	 Basically he did a study.

2016-11-02 13:57:59.674	 He took several groups.

2016-11-02 13:58:01.683	 A really diverse, average,

2016-11-02 13:58:04.761	 intelligent group and a group of

2016-11-02 13:58:07.798	 geniuses.

2016-11-02 13:58:07.799	 And every way that matters for

2016-11-02 13:58:11.899	 organizations and problem

2016-11-02 13:58:13.89	 solving the average diverse

2016-11-02 13:58:15.921	 group, you know, was just more

2016-11-02 13:58:20.064	 productive in many ways.

2016-11-02 13:58:21.048	 So if there is anything -- you

2016-11-02 13:58:24.146	 are, you know, the custodians of

2016-11-02 13:58:27.177	 organizations, you should be

2016-11-02 13:58:28.225	 looking at ways that you can do

2016-11-02 13:58:30.304	 things the best that you can.

2016-11-02 13:58:32.339	 And one, you know, I could have

2016-11-02 13:58:34.423	 20 but I'll just -- one is I

2016-11-02 13:58:36.513	 just think in general nonprofits

2016-11-02 13:58:41.669	 give away their board seats ,

2016-11-02 13:58:41.669	 you

2016-11-02 13:58:46.753	 know, too easily.

2016-11-02 13:58:47.833	 You know, I've gone on a site

2016-11-02 13:58:50.846	 visit for nonprofits and I

2016-11-02 13:58:53.921	 really prepare and I do a good

2016-11-02 13:58:54.935	 job when I'm out doing a site

2016-11-02 13:58:59.023	 visit.

2016-11-02 13:58:59.023	 And at the end I can, three or

2016-11-02 13:59:00.034	 four times, you know, the

2016-11-02 13:59:03.084	 executive director said, boy,

2016-11-02 13:59:05.137	 that was really great.

2016-11-02 13:59:06.169	 Would you be willing to join my

2016-11-02 13:59:08.225	 board?

2016-11-02 13:59:08.225	 I'm saying, you don't even know

2016-11-02 13:59:10.274	 me.

2016-11-02 13:59:10.275	 You know?

2016-11-02 13:59:13.311	 And so the sense is what I get

2016-11-02 13:59:15.358	 from that is if you will just

2016-11-02 13:59:17.389	 kind of grab anybody that's

2016-11-02 13:59:19.389	 breathing off the street, you

2016-11-02 13:59:20.39	 deserve whoever you get around

2016-11-02 13:59:23.507	 your table.

2016-11-02 13:59:25.586	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 13:59:26.59	 Judy: And so people make crazy

2016-11-02 13:59:29.644	 decisions just, you know, like

2016-11-02 13:59:30.649	 Cedric says, you pick someone

2016-11-02 13:59:31.688	 because they have a lot of

2016-11-02 13:59:34.756	 money.

2016-11-02 13:59:34.757	 And then you are kind of crazy.

2016-11-02 13:59:36.8	 This guy is an --.

2016-11-02 13:59:37.805	 Oh, this is taped.

2016-11-02 13:59:39.84	 Isn't it?

2016-11-02 13:59:39.841	 Shoot.

2016-11-02 13:59:41.889	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 13:59:56.141	 Make a decision, well, she's

2016-11-02 13:59:58.173	 black and then you're

2016-11-02 13:59:59.184	 disappointed and why we still

2016-11-02 14:00:00.225	 find ourselves kind of talking

2016-11-02 14:00:01.217	 about it.

2016-11-02 14:00:02.223	 The boards that I have joined

2016-11-02 14:00:04.257	 and have been most impressed

2016-11-02 14:00:06.312	 with are the ones that have

2016-11-02 14:00:09.354	 really put me through the paces

2016-11-02 14:00:11.429	 to even get in the room.

2016-11-02 14:00:12.425	 Like it's like, are you good

2016-11-02 14:00:15.464	 enough to join this board that

2016-11-02 14:00:19.604	 we care about so much?

2016-11-02 14:00:21.689	 I mean, at least an interview.

2016-11-02 14:00:23.728	 At least a job description.

2016-11-02 14:00:29.839	 And that -- so that

2016-11-02 14:00:29.839	 begins, just

2016-11-02 14:00:35.917	 who do you have in the

2016-11-02 14:00:35.917	 room?

2016-11-02 14:00:41.029	 Second, just on the other side

2016-11-02 14:00:43.048	 of the board, governance, what

2016-11-02 14:00:45.134	 can you do tomorrow?

2016-11-02 14:00:49.213	 does your C.E.O. have within his

2016-11-02 14:00:53.292	 or her goals something that

2016-11-02 14:00:57.302	 deals with, you know, building

2016-11-02 14:00:59.339	 an equitable, inclusive

2016-11-02 14:01:02.421	 organization?

2016-11-02 14:01:03.467	 And if you, when you're talking

2016-11-02 14:01:05.47	 to your C.E.O., and you give

2016-11-02 14:01:05.47	 the

2016-11-02 14:01:11.547	 impression that building that

2016-11-02 14:01:12.597	 type of organization is as

2016-11-02 14:01:14.6	 important as raising the money,

2016-11-02 14:01:16.639	 you know, maybe there will be a

2016-11-02 14:01:19.707	 shift because guess what?

2016-11-02 14:01:20.757	 You know, we do what we think is

2016-11-02 14:01:24.885	 the bottom line kind of our

2016-11-02 14:01:27.906	 boards.

2016-11-02 14:01:27.907	 You know, my board is really

2016-11-02 14:01:29.919	 clear.

2016-11-02 14:01:29.92	 You're not going to be

2016-11-02 14:01:31.921	 successful, Judy.

2016-11-02 14:01:33.954	 It's not how many grants you get

2016-11-02 14:01:35	 out but how you -- how are you

2016-11-02 14:01:39.087	 furthering our commitment around

2016-11-02 14:01:41.133	 equity inclusion or whatever?

2016-11-02 14:01:42.145	 And then, finally, a third issue

2016-11-02 14:01:45.171	 is, let's say you're successful

2016-11-02 14:01:47.225	 and you have a diverse board.

2016-11-02 14:01:50.343	 Look at your governance

2016-11-02 14:01:52.337	 structure.

2016-11-02 14:01:53.344	 Most large boards and arts

2016-11-02 14:01:54.391	 organizations are really guilty

2016-11-02 14:01:56.419	 of this.

2016-11-02 14:01:56.42	 They actually have two boards in

2016-11-02 14:01:58.473	 one.

2016-11-02 14:01:59.505	 It's like, the executive board

2016-11-02 14:02:02.545	 and that's where really all the

2016-11-02 14:02:04.551	 decisions are made and then

2016-11-02 14:02:06.638	 there's all the rest of the

2016-11-02 14:02:08.64	 peons.

2016-11-02 14:02:10.7	 And look who it just so happens

2016-11-02 14:02:11.688	 in most boards, why is it that

2016-11-02 14:02:13.69	 most boards, you know, audit and

2016-11-02 14:02:17.736	 finance committees are run by

2016-11-02 14:02:18.752	 men?

2016-11-02 14:02:19.803	 No matter how many women are on

2016-11-02 14:02:20.856	 the board.

2016-11-02 14:02:20.856	 You might want to look at that

2016-11-02 14:02:23.89	 around equity.

2016-11-02 14:02:24.919	 What happens when your auditor

2016-11-02 14:02:27.975	 comes in, the good Ole boy

2016-11-02 14:02:30.021	 that's been your auditor for 25

2016-11-02 14:02:34.101	 years, have you ever thought as

2016-11-02 14:02:37.193	 my board did just recently and

2016-11-02 14:02:39.185	 the guy turned purple, could you

2016-11-02 14:02:43.296	 tell us about your audit firm's

2016-11-02 14:02:46.428	 commitment to equity, to

2016-11-02 14:02:49.466	 diversity, to inclusion?

2016-11-02 14:02:50.512	 Because guess what?

2016-11-02 14:02:51.562	 If you want to do business with

2016-11-02 14:02:53.549	 us, with this board, you need to

2016-11-02 14:02:57.68	 know we're looking for partners

2016-11-02 14:02:58.716	 that share our values.

2016-11-02 14:03:00.777	 So those are just a few.

2016-11-02 14:03:05.833	 Diedra: There is something you

2016-11-02 14:03:05.834	 said and I want to bring it back

2016-11-02 14:03:07.886	 to this question of the cultural

2016-11-02 14:03:08.888	 change that needs to happen.

2016-11-02 14:03:09.919	 There is something you said

2016-11-02 14:03:11.999	 about you like that you were

2016-11-02 14:03:13.006	 being put through the wringer in

2016-11-02 14:03:14.003	 terms of the questions that you

2016-11-02 14:03:15.005	 were being asked.

2016-11-02 14:03:17.109	 Judy: Right.

2016-11-02 14:03:18.134	 Diedra: I can totally understand

2016-11-02 14:03:20.174	 that and at the same time I

2016-11-02 14:03:21.228	 think there is a connection to

2016-11-02 14:03:22.284	 the, what are we valuing and the

2016-11-02 14:03:24.297	 cultural shift, because there

2016-11-02 14:03:26.349	 are folks out there who haven't

2016-11-02 14:03:27.401	 stopped to think about what

2016-11-02 14:03:28.422	 they're valuing who would never

2016-11-02 14:03:30.459	 look to you as someone who could

2016-11-02 14:03:31.477	 even be put through the wringer.

2016-11-02 14:03:33.549	 Judy: Right.

2016-11-02 14:03:34.581	 Yeah, I think backing up, even

2016-11-02 14:03:37.688	 more, is before you do all of

2016-11-02 14:03:38.707	 this, and maybe I'm making an

2016-11-02 14:03:41.755	 assumption, you have to have a

2016-11-02 14:03:43.85	 discussion on the board and with

2016-11-02 14:03:45.893	 the C.E.O. about what is it that

2016-11-02 14:03:47.957	 you value in the organization

2016-11-02 14:03:50.001	 and then, you know, if you --

2016-11-02 14:03:53.053	 you don't value it, you're never

2016-11-02 14:03:54.084	 going to ask the questions or

2016-11-02 14:03:56.091	 you're never going to -- because

2016-11-02 14:03:58.133	 it's not important.

2016-11-02 14:03:58.134	 If you are, if what you are

2016-11-02 14:04:01.171	 really valuing and you need to

2016-11-02 14:04:02.167	 be really clear is, how much

2016-11-02 14:04:05.271	 money can we get into this

2016-11-02 14:04:08.342	 place, that is going to

2016-11-02 14:04:10.426	 determine who is going to be

2016-11-02 14:04:11.481	 sitting around the table and

2016-11-02 14:04:13.462	 what you value or is it?

2016-11-02 14:04:15.499	 Because, hey, I know, you know,

2016-11-02 14:04:19.636	 Cal Wellness and irvine, they're

2016-11-02 14:04:21.718	 going to ask how many, you know,

2016-11-02 14:04:23.76	 folks of color we have on the

2016-11-02 14:04:24.826	 board so we had better just get,

2016-11-02 14:04:26.9	 you know, some folks of color on

2016-11-02 14:04:28.93	 the board.

2016-11-02 14:04:33.054	 so you're right.

2016-11-02 14:04:34.05	 It really kind of starts with

2016-11-02 14:04:36.142	 what -- the board has to have

2016-11-02 14:04:37.18	 that kind of discussion.

2016-11-02 14:04:39.29	 Diedra: Right.

2016-11-02 14:04:39.29	 Jeff, I want to ask you.

2016-11-02 14:04:41.353	 You said there is a question

2016-11-02 14:04:42.337	 that came up when you were

2016-11-02 14:04:43.336	 speaking earlier.

2016-11-02 14:04:44.341	 Well how do we shift the frame

2016-11-02 14:04:46.387	 of who is in the seats?

2016-11-02 14:04:47.42	 Which is really to this.

2016-11-02 14:04:48.44	 And I do have the prequestion

2016-11-02 14:04:51.505	 that I think is appropriate

2016-11-02 14:04:52.504	 right now.

2016-11-02 14:04:53.513	 How do you -- how do our current

2016-11-02 14:04:56.61	 practices perpetuate governance

2016-11-02 14:04:57.59	 that is not representative of

2016-11-02 14:04:58.657	 communities of color or low

2016-11-02 14:05:01.714	 income communities?

2016-11-02 14:05:02.707	 How might we change those

2016-11-02 14:05:03.73	 practices to not only bring

2016-11-02 14:05:05.757	 excluded voices to the

2016-11-02 14:05:07.789	 conversation but embed some real

2016-11-02 14:05:08.79	 power and decision making

2016-11-02 14:05:09.801	 authority to those voices?

2016-11-02 14:05:11.838	 Again, it's connected to that.

2016-11-02 14:05:13.894	 Jeff: I'm actually going to say

2016-11-02 14:05:15.889	 it in a very few words and then

2016-11-02 14:05:17.939	 I want to kick over to Cedric on

2016-11-02 14:05:18.96	 this because I thought Cedric

2016-11-02 14:05:21.051	 was outlining, beginning to

2016-11-02 14:05:22.077	 outline a lot of ideas around

2016-11-02 14:05:26.17	 this and also Roberto, as well.

2016-11-02 14:05:29.256	 But I think that in so many ways

2016-11-02 14:05:34.401	 -- to pick up on an idea that

2016-11-02 14:05:36.465	 you were Kine of putting out

2016-11-02 14:05:38.46	 there about -- you were kind of

2016-11-02 14:05:40.5	 putting out there about bringing

2016-11-02 14:05:41.5	 people on to the board in order

2016-11-02 14:05:43.581	 to raise capital, right?

2016-11-02 14:05:44.592	 So you have either capital

2016-11-02 14:05:47.683	 capital write the check or you

2016-11-02 14:05:48.711	 have social capital.

2016-11-02 14:05:49.757	 The networks that you're coming

2016-11-02 14:05:50.796	 from.

2016-11-02 14:05:51.795	 And I think that that actually

2016-11-02 14:05:53.844	 is the under thought part.

2016-11-02 14:05:55.88	 The social capital piece.

2016-11-02 14:05:56.927	 Because a lot of folks who come

2016-11-02 14:05:59.011	 on to the boards will already

2016-11-02 14:06:00.074	 actually be in the networks

2016-11-02 14:06:01.055	 you're already in, right?

2016-11-02 14:06:04.135	 That's partly how the validation

2016-11-02 14:06:06.208	 kind of happens.

2016-11-02 14:06:07.213	 And so what if we thought of the

2016-11-02 14:06:12.335	 social capital piece as being an

2016-11-02 14:06:14.418	 opportunity to be able to bring

2016-11-02 14:06:16.469	 in networks that strengthen the

2016-11-02 14:06:20.567	 institution 's relationships

2016-11-02 14:06:22.637	 within the community.

2016-11-02 14:06:23.681	 I think that is sort of what you

2016-11-02 14:06:24.682	 were getting at.

2016-11-02 14:06:25.71	 Cedric: Absolutely.

2016-11-02 14:06:26.733	 Jeff: Maybe I ought to kick it

2016-11-02 14:06:28.803	 over to you at this point so you

2016-11-02 14:06:29.804	 can go deeper on that.

2016-11-02 14:06:31.859	 Cedric: I don't know that there

2016-11-02 14:06:32.894	 is much more to say.

2016-11-02 14:06:33.882	 Looking at who the

2016-11-02 14:06:34.926	 constituencies are both through

2016-11-02 14:06:35.938	 the direct programming arts

2016-11-02 14:06:38.008	 institutions and organizations

2016-11-02 14:06:39.047	 are offering and through the

2016-11-02 14:06:42.098	 aspirations that organizations

2016-11-02 14:06:44.135	 have.

2016-11-02 14:06:44.136	 Whom do we want to serve in our

2016-11-02 14:06:47.186	 broader community?

2016-11-02 14:06:48.228	 How do we want our organization

2016-11-02 14:06:49.251	 to thrive and to continue to

2016-11-02 14:06:51.323	 grow and continue to reach new

2016-11-02 14:06:53.301	 audiences and actually be places

2016-11-02 14:06:57.377	 where we can heal?

2016-11-02 14:06:58.384	 One of the points that I jotted

2016-11-02 14:07:00.467	 down is that, arts and cultural

2016-11-02 14:07:02.516	 institutions can provide the

2016-11-02 14:07:04.506	 kind of necessary community

2016-11-02 14:07:06.541	 building and healing that we

2016-11-02 14:07:07.581	 really need in order to start

2016-11-02 14:07:09.628	 moving toward this greater

2016-11-02 14:07:12.706	 equity.

2016-11-02 14:07:13.751	 I was amazed.

2016-11-02 14:07:15.797	 I had the great pleasure of

2016-11-02 14:07:16.835	 going to a gathering put on by

2016-11-02 14:07:18.939	 the

2016-11-02 14:07:18.939	 institute for library

2016-11-02 14:07:25.085	 sciences in Philadelphia, a town

2016-11-02 14:07:27.084	 hall about catalyzing the

2016-11-02 14:07:28.09	 community at the beginning of

2016-11-02 14:07:29.167	 the September.

2016-11-02 14:07:30.136	 I was just thrilled to hear,

2016-11-02 14:07:32.164	 first of all, it was a rather

2016-11-02 14:07:33.214	 diverse representation of folks

2016-11-02 14:07:34.247	 in the room.

2016-11-02 14:07:39.339	 I was thrilled to hear about the

2016-11-02 14:07:40.378	 kinds of work folks are doing

2016-11-02 14:07:41.43	 through their libraries, through

2016-11-02 14:07:43.497	 their communities, through their

2016-11-02 14:07:44.554	 museums, and really making them

2016-11-02 14:07:46.585	 community centers.

2016-11-02 14:07:51.749	 In their respective locales.

2016-11-02 14:07:55.841	 Thank you.

2016-11-02 14:07:55.842	 So again, I feel like there's a

2016-11-02 14:07:59.956	 fantastic opportunity here for

2016-11-02 14:08:01.997	 organizations to really be the

2016-11-02 14:08:04.049	 catalyst ts around some healing

2016-11-02 14:08:07.101	 and genuine community building

2016-11-02 14:08:08.138	 and in order to do that we have

2016-11-02 14:08:09.137	 to make sure that we're reaching

2016-11-02 14:08:12.21	 all corners of the communities

2016-11-02 14:08:14.255	 in which we exist and serve.

2016-11-02 14:08:18.303	 And sometimes that means, well

2016-11-02 14:08:20.353	 it does mean expanding the

2016-11-02 14:08:22.438	 definition of what social

2016-11-02 14:08:22.439	 capital is.

2016-11-02 14:08:23.462	 What is the knowledge that such

2016-11-02 14:08:25.46	 folks are going to bring in and

2016-11-02 14:08:28.546	 contribute?

2016-11-02 14:08:28.547	 Certainly we have advisory

2016-11-02 14:08:31.688	 boards that advise on specific

2016-11-02 14:08:35.805	 pieces or specific subject

2016-11-02 14:08:36.802	 matters.

2016-11-02 14:08:37.833	 Are we grooming any advisory

2016-11-02 14:08:38.836	 board members to then become

2016-11-02 14:08:39.838	 part of a governance body as

2016-11-02 14:08:40.918	 well and to take on the duty of

2016-11-02 14:08:42.938	 care shall the duty of loyalty

2016-11-02 14:08:43.947	 shall the duty of obedience that

2016-11-02 14:08:46.002	 is called for?

2016-11-02 14:08:47.004	 The stewardship that is called

2016-11-02 14:08:50.081	 for from board members?

2016-11-02 14:08:52.142	 I'm going on and on.

2016-11-02 14:08:57.211	 Roberto: Go ahead.

2016-11-02 14:08:59.319	 Jeff: Well, so, does it become a

2016-11-02 14:09:01.393	 thing of as you put it

2016-11-02 14:09:04.457	 sustainability vs. stewardship?

2016-11-02 14:09:05.505	 Obviously organizations and

2016-11-02 14:09:06.506	 institutions have to be able to

2016-11-02 14:09:07.546	 fund the programs.

2016-11-02 14:09:09.586	 Roberto: I would say this.

2016-11-02 14:09:11.633	 So I went here.

2016-11-02 14:09:16.745	 The point for me, we're talking

2016-11-02 14:09:17.78	 about pi vot points.

2016-11-02 14:09:18.79	 I think we need languages.

2016-11-02 14:09:20.796	 I'm inserting stewardship is

2016-11-02 14:09:22.833	 there.

2016-11-02 14:09:22.834	 I'm not abandonning

2016-11-02 14:09:24.877	 sustainability but I also see it

2016-11-02 14:09:25.89	 as a tool of whiteness.

2016-11-02 14:09:27.931	 And I want to call that out and

2016-11-02 14:09:30.006	 say that in its inefficiency and

2016-11-02 14:09:32.996	 that was my little story

2016-11-02 14:09:36.069	 telling, it could be any of the

2016-11-02 14:09:37.076	 ethnic organization s of color in

2016-11-02 14:09:40.086	 the bay area

2016-11-02 14:09:40.086	 that have been

2016-11-02 14:09:49.243	 stuck and penalized because

2016-11-02 14:09:52.331	 they've not been seen as

2016-11-02 14:09:54.338	 sustainable.

2016-11-02 14:09:54.339	 I see that as a language that I

2016-11-02 14:09:57.451	 think is a management assessment

2016-11-02 14:09:58.469	 language that I don't want to

2016-11-02 14:10:00.539	 buy.

2016-11-02 14:10:00.54	 I want to unravel it.

2016-11-02 14:10:01.559	 I want to be subversive and put

2016-11-02 14:10:04.628	 new criteria around stewardship

2016-11-02 14:10:08.707	 and figure out what the hell

2016-11-02 14:10:09.712	 that looks like for us that are

2016-11-02 14:10:11.788	 in the mix.

2016-11-02 14:10:12.826	 Because I think that that is

2016-11-02 14:10:14.834	 where I get all my board

2016-11-02 14:10:18.962	 present.

2016-11-02 14:10:22.055	 One of my board Presidents when

2016-11-02 14:10:23.042	 I lived in Tucson and I would

2016-11-02 14:10:27.199	 run a localized council there so

2016-11-02 14:10:29.248	 my boss were the elected

2016-11-02 14:10:31.295	 officials to a certain extent.

2016-11-02 14:10:33.331	 So I'd be meeting with the mayor

2016-11-02 14:10:35.384	 about something and he'd just

2016-11-02 14:10:37.415	 sort of hold my hand and say,

2016-11-02 14:10:38.463	 control your inner Chihuahua.

2016-11-02 14:10:39.432	 You know?

2016-11-02 14:10:42.493	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 14:10:45.575	 Because I get all hot and

2016-11-02 14:10:47.597	 bothered and say, no.

2016-11-02 14:10:48.589	 I don't believe that.

2016-11-02 14:10:49.632	 But I had a lovely board member

2016-11-02 14:10:50.634	 that knew that was my job.

2016-11-02 14:10:52.629	 Because I wasn't -- I'm not

2016-11-02 14:10:54.68	 about complicity.

2016-11-02 14:10:55.706	 I'm actually about reframing,

2016-11-02 14:11:00.88	 constantly.

2016-11-02 14:11:00.88	 So in some ways I'm not, I

2016-11-02 14:11:02.93	 guess, where the dreamer part of

2016-11-02 14:11:05.964	 me is, let's imagine new

2016-11-02 14:11:11.097	 governance systems.

2016-11-02 14:11:11.097	 Can we do that?

2016-11-02 14:11:12.126	 Can we just go there and take

2016-11-02 14:11:14.18	 this moment to honestly

2016-11-02 14:11:14.18	 listen

2016-11-02 14:11:20.347	 to the constituents we serve and

2016-11-02 14:11:22.379	 look at them?

2016-11-02 14:11:24.428	 I mean, I, in Arizona, I had

2016-11-02 14:11:28.503	 three Native Americans on my

2016-11-02 14:11:30.584	 board.

2016-11-02 14:11:31.583	 They're not talkers.

2016-11-02 14:11:33.784	 They communicate through

2016-11-02 14:11:34.707	 eyebrows.

2016-11-02 14:11:34.708	 You know?

2016-11-02 14:11:35.741	 You sit in a circle and they're

2016-11-02 14:11:38.793	 like -- oh, I better learn how

2016-11-02 14:11:40.89	 to read that note to me.

2016-11-02 14:11:41.889	 You know what I mean?

2016-11-02 14:11:43.93	 A bad board experience

2016-11-02 14:11:43.93	 and I was

2016-11-02 14:11:49.126	 butting heads with -- I was

2016-11-02 14:11:51.132	 running an organization and I

2016-11-02 14:11:52.171	 was butting heads and I was

2016-11-02 14:11:56.22	 announcing kind of the challenge

2016-11-02 14:11:57.213	 that the board was facing.

2016-11-02 14:11:59.289	 The financial challenge.

2016-11-02 14:12:01.33	 All of a sudden everybody is

2016-11-02 14:12:02.383	 going like this.

2016-11-02 14:12:03.449	 And nobody heard me.

2016-11-02 14:12:05.457	 And afterwards, the Japanese

2016-11-02 14:12:08.582	 American board member said to

2016-11-02 14:12:09.58	 me, nobody heard you because you

2016-11-02 14:12:10.58	 do what we know , when

2016-11-02 14:12:10.58	 something

2016-11-02 14:12:15.703	 is serious, you dropped your

2016-11-02 14:12:17.746	 voice.

2016-11-02 14:12:17.747	 As if to say, this is serious.

2016-11-02 14:12:19.794	 When I had a board where

2016-11-02 14:12:21.884	 everybody talked over each

2016-11-02 14:12:23.88	 other.

2016-11-02 14:12:24.926	 They're always animated.

2016-11-02 14:12:24.926	 So there was that cultural

2016-11-02 14:12:27.001	 difference that I had to

2016-11-02 14:12:30.049	 negotiate.

2016-11-02 14:12:30.049	 Sort of different world views

2016-11-02 14:12:31.083	 and different communications.

2016-11-02 14:12:34.206	 Kind of patterns, behaviors

2016-11-02 14:12:36.263	 among a diverse board.

2016-11-02 14:12:38.29	 And final thing.

2016-11-02 14:12:39.326	 I worked at -- I worked for a

2016-11-02 14:12:42.386	 while at the research institute,

2016-11-02 14:12:45.424	 the programmer.

2016-11-02 14:12:47.494	 And kind of like the one Latino

2016-11-02 14:12:50.588	 -- well, there were two.

2016-11-02 14:12:52.584	 Actually Josephine was the other

2016-11-02 14:12:53.622	 one.

2016-11-02 14:12:53.623	 She is not here.

2016-11-02 14:12:54.63	 So we were the two Latinos .

2016-11-02 14:13:01.803	 There is another story I could

2016-11-02 14:13:02.831	 tell you about.

2016-11-02 14:13:04.925	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 14:13:05.924	 Roberto: So we're sitting there

2016-11-02 14:13:07.954	 and we're the Latinos in this

2016-11-02 14:13:10.992	 institution that's U.S. centric

2016-11-02 14:13:14.095	 to the Max and it was like I

2016-11-02 14:13:16.174	 felt like there was -- I felt

2016-11-02 14:13:20.246	 two things.

2016-11-02 14:13:21.267	 Two song references came to my

2016-11-02 14:13:23.334	 head.

2016-11-02 14:13:24.331	 My older sister loves little

2016-11-02 14:13:27.426	 Anthony's I'm on the outside

2016-11-02 14:13:28.459	 looking in and then I'm Patty

2016-11-02 14:13:30.489	 Smith.

2016-11-02 14:13:32.547	 Outside is the way I take.

2016-11-02 14:13:33.582	 There was a way in which I was

2016-11-02 14:13:35.622	 not inside because I was a brown

2016-11-02 14:13:36.63	 man inside the White House and

2016-11-02 14:13:38.702	 out on the street I was a brown

2016-11-02 14:13:39.679	 man inside the White House.

2016-11-02 14:13:40.711	 You know?

2016-11-02 14:13:41.742	 And there was no way I could

2016-11-02 14:13:43.795	 ever be inside.

2016-11-02 14:13:45.829	 So in some ways I realized that

2016-11-02 14:13:48.932	 my difference, my racial

2016-11-02 14:13:50.928	 difference became an interesting

2016-11-02 14:13:53.991	 experience

2016-11-02 14:13:53.991	 .

2016-11-02 14:13:59.082	 Judy: Let me tell you how all of

2016-11-02 14:14:01.127	 this is kind of interconnected

2016-11-02 14:14:02.187	 going back to the tactical and

2016-11-02 14:14:04.176	 the governance issue.

2016-11-02 14:14:07.237	 Let's talk about fundraising.

2016-11-02 14:14:11.29	 Money.

2016-11-02 14:14:12.344	 On your side of the table.

2016-11-02 14:14:13.37	 And later I'm sure Cedric and I

2016-11-02 14:14:15.43	 will also be talking -- telling

2016-11-02 14:14:18.505	 you on our side of the table we

2016-11-02 14:14:19.496	 don't have such a stellar

2016-11-02 14:14:20.497	 record, either in terms of the

2016-11-02 14:14:23.574	 philanthropic factor.

2016-11-02 14:14:27.68	 But fundraising, money .

2016-11-02 14:14:31.763	 There is assumptions out there

2016-11-02 14:14:34.795	 that are deadly to your

2016-11-02 14:14:37.878	 sustainability.

2016-11-02 14:14:37.878	 And a couple are that folks

2016-11-02 14:14:37.878	 of

2016-11-02 14:14:43.995	 color don't give .

2016-11-02 14:14:46.045	 I mean, I've actually -- I

2016-11-02 14:14:49.174	 actually, you please, heard some

2016-11-02 14:14:50.201	 diverse donors saying that I'm

2016-11-02 14:14:54.247	 never asked by two sectors , the

2016-11-02 14:14:58.333	 environmental sector and the

2016-11-02 14:15:00.376	 arts sectors for dollars.

2016-11-02 14:15:03.456	 It's like there is an assumption

2016-11-02 14:15:05.517	 that if I do give that I'm only

2016-11-02 14:15:08.581	 going to give to kind of

2016-11-02 14:15:12.699	 communities of color or

2016-11-02 14:15:14.754	 whatever.

2016-11-02 14:15:14.754	 That's obviously, if you listen

2016-11-02 14:15:17.824	 to the statistics of how our

2016-11-02 14:15:20.878	 demographics are changing, for

2016-11-02 14:15:22.935	 you to just write off a whole

2016-11-02 14:15:26.995	 sector of potential donors.

2016-11-02 14:15:30.099	 The other issue is who is asking

2016-11-02 14:15:31.082	 for the money?

2016-11-02 14:15:34.193	 I have sat before many

2016-11-02 14:15:37.203	 development directors and I

2016-11-02 14:15:39.209	 would say I could probably count

2016-11-02 14:15:43.383	 the number of development

2016-11-02 14:15:44.379	 directors that are in the

2016-11-02 14:15:45.375	 position of doing the ask in the

2016-11-02 14:15:48.481	 cultural setting that are folks

2016-11-02 14:15:49.489	 of color.

2016-11-02 14:15:50.495	 Now, maybe it's changed, but I

2016-11-02 14:15:52.54	 would say that's one area that

2016-11-02 14:15:55.622	 you might look for.

2016-11-02 14:16:00.806	 It was so frustrating when I

2016-11-02 14:16:01.798	 worked at Rockefeller

2016-11-02 14:16:04.827	 philanthropy advisers where I

2016-11-02 14:16:05.864	 worked with donors, we developed

2016-11-02 14:16:06.876	 a huge program around diverse

2016-11-02 14:16:09.954	 donor engagement because, you

2016-11-02 14:16:13.09	 know, the connection just wasn't

2016-11-02 14:16:17.119	 happening.

2016-11-02 14:16:17.119	 A lot of it had to be doing, who

2016-11-02 14:16:19.126	 was asking for the money?

2016-11-02 14:16:21.182	 Why is that important in

2016-11-02 14:16:23.187	 governance?

2016-11-02 14:16:23.187	 One, part of your role is

2016-11-02 14:16:26.198	 sustainability and fiscal

2016-11-02 14:16:28.295	 management and you're just kind

2016-11-02 14:16:29.338	 of not going after a

2016-11-02 14:16:29.338	 group.

2016-11-02 14:16:34.419	 The other is that donors is a

2016-11-02 14:16:38.537	 fertile fwround for who is

2016-11-02 14:16:39.49	 sitting at the board -- ground

2016-11-02 14:16:41.507	 for who is sitting at the board

2016-11-02 14:16:43.572	 table, too.

2016-11-02 14:16:44.583	 If you give to an organization

2016-11-02 14:16:47.697	 you should be cultivating those

2016-11-02 14:16:51.815	 relationships.

2016-11-02 14:16:51.815	 They could be folks tha t you

2016-11-02 14:16:52.824	 would put on committees and then

2016-11-02 14:16:55.875	 they could be in a pipeline.

2016-11-02 14:16:59.993	 So the fact that we start with

2016-11-02 14:17:03.094	 assumptions that are not right,

2016-11-02 14:17:05.133	 and, in fact, you know, for

2016-11-02 14:17:06.167	 example the African-American

2016-11-02 14:17:09.174	 community per capita gives more

2016-11-02 14:17:11.241	 than, you know, any other kind

2016-11-02 14:17:14.288	 of demographic kind of sector.

2016-11-02 14:17:18.419	 So the assumptions that

2016-11-02 14:17:18.419	 folks

2016-11-02 14:17:23.535	 have

2016-11-02 14:17:23.535	 about race and equity

2016-11-02 14:17:30.703	 really are a direct line to your

2016-11-02 14:17:33.833	 role and who sits at the table

2016-11-02 14:17:34.83	 and how do you sustain your

2016-11-02 14:17:36.831	 organization if you don't fix

2016-11-02 14:17:38.924	 that?

2016-11-02 14:17:38.924	 I don't think you can

2016-11-02 14:17:41.949	 successful.

2016-11-02 14:17:44.997	 Diedra: I feel like there --

2016-11-02 14:17:47.037	 Cedric: I feel like there is a

2016-11-02 14:17:49.129	 lesson to learn.

2016-11-02 14:17:50.171	 You mentioned some of what I

2016-11-02 14:17:51.201	 call our grass roots

2016-11-02 14:17:52.213	 organizations, some of the

2016-11-02 14:17:53.239	 scrappiest organizations we have

2016-11-02 14:17:54.247	 around.

2016-11-02 14:17:54.247	 What is the lesson around

2016-11-02 14:17:56.347	 sustainability that you have

2016-11-02 14:17:57.383	 brought up in your opening

2016-11-02 14:17:59.456	 remarks?

2016-11-02 14:17:59.457	 What can we learn from those --

2016-11-02 14:18:02.553	 the organizations that despite

2016-11-02 14:18:03.577	 all the odds have stayed in

2016-11-02 14:18:06.669	 existence?

2016-11-02 14:18:07.707	 What is their definition of

2016-11-02 14:18:09.748	 sustainability?

2016-11-02 14:18:09.749	 How do we learn from that?

2016-11-02 14:18:10.792	 And then apply it in the board

2016-11-02 14:18:14.819	 conversations about fundraising,

2016-11-02 14:18:16.875	 about how we're going to

2016-11-02 14:18:18.919	 maintain resources, about how

2016-11-02 14:18:20.999	 then that is linked to

2016-11-02 14:18:23.036	 governance and the people that

2016-11-02 14:18:24.064	 we bring on to the board and the

2016-11-02 14:18:25.071	 way that we think about

2016-11-02 14:18:26.079	 networking, etcetera?

2016-11-02 14:18:27.079	 I think it's all part of that

2016-11-02 14:18:29.182	 money vs. subject matter

2016-11-02 14:18:32.248	 expertise kind of framework.

2016-11-02 14:18:34.288	 But I'm so intrigued by

2016-11-02 14:18:37.372	 sustainability.

2016-11-02 14:18:38.369	 Roberto: I think listening to

2016-11-02 14:18:39.374	 that and trying to understand

2016-11-02 14:18:40.431	 their success, this notion of

2016-11-02 14:18:44.494	 stewardship .

2016-11-02 14:18:46.534	 So -- and not to sideline the

2016-11-02 14:18:54.785	 money part of running the shop,

2016-11-02 14:18:56.87	 you need to balance it.

2016-11-02 14:18:58.929	 So ultimately I think governance

2016-11-02 14:18:59.922	 is about creating a system of

2016-11-02 14:19:02.995	 quiffleenss so that you and that

2016-11-02 14:19:06.087	 the values of stewardship and

2016-11-02 14:19:07.117	 the values of sustainability,

2016-11-02 14:19:11.209	 and as a management sort of

2016-11-02 14:19:15.296	 necessity co-exist.

2016-11-02 14:19:16.323	 They co-exist as quiffleenss.

2016-11-02 14:19:19.37	 What I've seen so often is that

2016-11-02 14:19:23.454	 community call is like a little

2016-11-02 14:19:26.491	 extra to get maybe a few more

2016-11-02 14:19:29.542	 points from a philanthropic

2016-11-02 14:19:31.622	 donor who won't say, oh, you've

2016-11-02 14:19:32.67	 got diversity on your board.

2016-11-02 14:19:34.665	 Horse you've got community voice

2016-11-02 14:19:36.682	 -- oh, you've got community

2016-11-02 14:19:37.69	 voices on your board.

2016-11-02 14:19:38.701	 But I don't feel that the

2016-11-02 14:19:39.741	 overall governance of the board

2016-11-02 14:19:41.744	 -- I feel sometimes that the

2016-11-02 14:19:43.833	 governance of the board -- maybe

2016-11-02 14:19:44.827	 I'm just saying, I've been too

2016-11-02 14:19:46.885	 many damned times the one person

2016-11-02 14:19:48.949	 of color on a board that needs

2016-11-02 14:19:51.994	 to be in the community.

2016-11-02 14:19:54.033	 And I know exactly what role I'm

2016-11-02 14:19:55.042	 being asked to play.

2016-11-02 14:19:59.17	 Judy you know how black folks

2016-11-02 14:20:01.2	 feel and everybody looks toward

2016-11-02 14:20:02.239	 you.

2016-11-02 14:20:02.239	 I don't know any black person --

2016-11-02 14:20:04.285	 Roberto: Right, right.

2016-11-02 14:20:05.291	 So in some ways I just feel

2016-11-02 14:20:08.332	 that.

2016-11-02 14:20:08.333	 Diedra: We're going to if you

2016-11-02 14:20:10.342	 guys are ready for questions

2016-11-02 14:20:11.33	 take some questions from you

2016-11-02 14:20:12.352	 guys but I want to, the last

2016-11-02 14:20:13.361	 question I'm going to ask is

2016-11-02 14:20:15.421	 related to what you just

2016-11-02 14:20:16.451	 mentioned in terms of I'm

2016-11-02 14:20:21.634	 wondering about -- there is

2016-11-02 14:20:23.702	 something around the current

2016-11-02 14:20:25.744	 structure has to shift to make

2016-11-02 14:20:28.797	 space for this new language,

2016-11-02 14:20:30.871	 this new idea, this new

2016-11-02 14:20:32.954	 definition.

2016-11-02 14:20:32.955	 You know, perhaps my age is

2016-11-02 14:20:34.999	 making me think that.

2016-11-02 14:20:36.031	 I don't know.

2016-11-02 14:20:37.044	 I'll put that out there.

2016-11-02 14:20:39.074	 But I think how does that shift

2016-11-02 14:20:40.076	 happen?

2016-11-02 14:20:41.117	 You're talking about a shift in

2016-11-02 14:20:49.246	 having people who are

2016-11-02 14:20:50.245	 comfortable in their space

2016-11-02 14:20:51.305	 because of privilege and from

2016-11-02 14:20:52.316	 the models that are happening

2016-11-02 14:20:53.325	 speaking from a place where

2016-11-02 14:20:54.375	 you're coming from who don't

2016-11-02 14:20:56.417	 know your experience, who don't

2016-11-02 14:20:59.464	 know, right, that's survival,

2016-11-02 14:21:00.49	 just maybing your way -- making

2016-11-02 14:21:04.61	 your way through the world and

2016-11-02 14:21:05.625	 that's the reality.

2016-11-02 14:21:06.663	 But how do you shift that so

2016-11-02 14:21:07.758	 that the folks who are in

2016-11-02 14:21:10.78	 positions of power, who are

2016-11-02 14:21:11.82	 comfortable in those positions

2016-11-02 14:21:12.823	 of power by their -- and

2016-11-02 14:21:15.873	 comfortable by privilege to

2016-11-02 14:21:17.92	 actually shift and want to push

2016-11-02 14:21:18.919	 what you're saying forward?

2016-11-02 14:21:24.043	 Jeff: I was going to say I think

2016-11-02 14:21:25.032	 it goes back to what you said at

2016-11-02 14:21:27.116	 the beginning which is equity is

2016-11-02 14:21:28.127	 all of us.

2016-11-02 14:21:29.122	 Right?

2016-11-02 14:21:29.123	 Diversity is all of us.

2016-11-02 14:21:30.12	 I was tripping on the fact

2016-11-02 14:21:32.208	 you're talking about diverse

2016-11-02 14:21:33.187	 board members or diverse donors

2016-11-02 14:21:35.206	 because the original definition

2016-11-02 14:21:36.193	 of diversity was all of us.

2016-11-02 14:21:38.203	 Now it's like the diverse folks

2016-11-02 14:21:39.203	 are the folks of color.

2016-11-02 14:21:41.236	 And the white folks are not

2016-11-02 14:21:43.282	 diverse.

2016-11-02 14:21:44.33	 Judy: Right.

2016-11-02 14:21:45.33	 Jeff: Which is really weird.

2016-11-02 14:21:46.374	 Even the academy of whatever,

2016-11-02 14:21:49.444	 the academy, right, academies

2016-11-02 14:21:50.454	 when they did their whole sort

2016-11-02 14:21:52.538	 of announcement of how they're

2016-11-02 14:21:54.577	 going to diversify the ranks,

2016-11-02 14:21:56.611	 they were going to bring in

2016-11-02 14:21:57.61	 diverse members.

2016-11-02 14:21:57.611	 I thought, okay.

2016-11-02 14:21:58.631	 Do is that mean more white

2016-11-02 14:21:59.674	 folks?

2016-11-02 14:22:00.694	 But they meant folks of color.

2016-11-02 14:22:02.701	 But we can't lose that.

2016-11-02 14:22:03.74	 Right?

2016-11-02 14:22:03.74	 The idea that equity is all of

2016-11-02 14:22:06.824	 us.

2016-11-02 14:22:07.866	 And so the people shall the

2016-11-02 14:22:08.87	 shift has to be that, yes.

2016-11-02 14:22:10.915	 There has to be room made but

2016-11-02 14:22:13.001	 everybody needs to be engaged

2016-11-02 14:22:15.03	 and brought into this notion

2016-11-02 14:22:16.038	 that equity is not just about

2016-11-02 14:22:19.077	 the survival of the institution.

2016-11-02 14:22:21.12	 It's not just about looking

2016-11-02 14:22:25.243	 toward new donors.

2016-11-02 14:22:26.28	 It's not just about putting

2016-11-02 14:22:29.285	 butts in seats.

2016-11-02 14:22:30.324	 It's not just about all of these

2016-11-02 14:22:33.431	 things.

2016-11-02 14:22:33.432	 It's an ethical, moral type of

2016-11-02 14:22:37.533	 thing that we're investing in

2016-11-02 14:22:39.59	 the future of what we want our

2016-11-02 14:22:41.646	 communities to be about and look

2016-11-02 14:22:43.676	 like.

2016-11-02 14:22:44.695	 And I think that that's where

2016-11-02 14:22:47.796	 the rubber really meets the

2016-11-02 14:22:49.848	 road.

2016-11-02 14:22:49.848	 That we're all in this together.

2016-11-02 14:22:51.864	 And I think that that's the

2016-11-02 14:22:53.92	 stakes of this.

2016-11-02 14:22:55.993	 Cedric: Yes.

2016-11-02 14:22:57.06	 We're all in it together and you

2016-11-02 14:22:59.12	 mentioned 2042 as a turning

2016-11-02 14:23:00.181	 point for the nation.

2016-11-02 14:23:01.196	 I had actually written some

2016-11-02 14:23:03.289	 notes about how in 2042, if we

2016-11-02 14:23:07.372	 don't anticipate these trends

2016-11-02 14:23:09.378	 and deal with equity and

2016-11-02 14:23:11.411	 inclusion in real ways, we could

2016-11-02 14:23:13.432	 end up with an economic

2016-11-02 14:23:15.455	 apartheid situation here in the

2016-11-02 14:23:17.466	 United States.

2016-11-02 14:23:17.466	 Now, some of that is already

2016-11-02 14:23:18.494	 happening but it isn't as

2016-11-02 14:23:20.577	 visible to us yet.

2016-11-02 14:23:20.578	 But when we get to a point where

2016-11-02 14:23:24.698	 this country is majority people

2016-11-02 14:23:26.755	 of color, if the wealth and

2016-11-02 14:23:28.817	 power remains in the hands of

2016-11-02 14:23:31.866	 the few, apartheid is a word

2016-11-02 14:23:33.916	 that I use very deliberately.

2016-11-02 14:23:35.963	 And the optics of that won't be

2016-11-02 14:23:37.992	 cute nor will the lived reality

2016-11-02 14:23:40.026	 because it could be really

2016-11-02 14:23:42.073	 destablizing to this nation if

2016-11-02 14:23:43.128	 you have wealth and power

2016-11-02 14:23:45.21	 concentrated in the hands of a

2016-11-02 14:23:47.268	 few folks who look alike.

2016-11-02 14:23:48.239	 So we have to deal with this

2016-11-02 14:23:50.325	 issue of equity.

2016-11-02 14:23:51.327	 We have to deal with the issues

2016-11-02 14:23:52.365	 of thinking about deconstructing

2016-11-02 14:23:55.41	 this hierarchy of human value

2016-11-02 14:23:56.426	 and really getting to what the

2016-11-02 14:24:00.53	 founding forepeople, forefathers

2016-11-02 14:24:01.532	 and mothers were trying to lay

2016-11-02 14:24:03.621	 out as a vision for this nation.

2016-11-02 14:24:05.619	 But never would they be able to

2016-11-02 14:24:07.686	 anticipate where we have come.

2016-11-02 14:24:08.708	 So I want us to take both --

2016-11-02 14:24:10.744	 that is both a warning and a,

2016-11-02 14:24:12.828	 something that's aspirational

2016-11-02 14:24:14.864	 for us to move toward, because

2016-11-02 14:24:18.917	 we can do it, if we survive

2016-11-02 14:24:19.957	 global warming.

2016-11-02 14:24:23.077	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 14:24:23.077	 Cedric: We're going to be all

2016-11-02 14:24:26.12	 right.

2016-11-02 14:24:29.19	 Roberto: I just want to sort of

2016-11-02 14:24:30.215	 Pooh ush that a little bit

2016-11-02 14:24:31.191	 further.

2016-11-02 14:24:32.194	 I think the equity charge is a

2016-11-02 14:24:34.238	 racial equity charge.

2016-11-02 14:24:38.318	 I was on the board

2016-11-02 14:24:38.318	 at grant

2016-11-02 14:24:43.468	 makers and the arts.

2016-11-02 14:24:44.463	 We've done lots of work on

2016-11-02 14:24:46.447	 studying how racial equity

2016-11-02 14:24:49.569	 operates in arts philanthropy.

2016-11-02 14:24:50.63	 Diane Sanchez was on that board

2016-11-02 14:24:52.66	 as well.

2016-11-02 14:24:52.66	 And understood what this --

2016-11-02 14:24:55.752	 where do we begin to unpack

2016-11-02 14:24:57.775	 structural racism?

2016-11-02 14:24:58.817	 You have to study it.

2016-11-02 14:24:59.821	 You have to do antiracism work.

2016-11-02 14:25:02.938	 You have to send your board to

2016-11-02 14:25:04.985	 do that.

2016-11-02 14:25:05.997	 You have to find the right

2016-11-02 14:25:06.997	 people to do it.

2016-11-02 14:25:08.038	 It's not like I take a pill and

2016-11-02 14:25:12.115	 all of a sudden I'm no longer

2016-11-02 14:25:14.199	 racism.

2016-11-02 14:25:16.21	 We have this -- let me just also

2016-11-02 14:25:19.284	 -- John Powell, if you haven't

2016-11-02 14:25:20.323	 read him, he is brilliant,

2016-11-02 14:25:22.41	 Berkeley.

2016-11-02 14:25:23.434	 He's just like the most

2016-11-02 14:25:24.432	 brilliant, one of the most

2016-11-02 14:25:25.453	 brilliant thinkers around

2016-11-02 14:25:28.494	 understanding structural racism

2016-11-02 14:25:29.527	 and how it gets Embedded in

2016-11-02 14:25:31.571	 systems of governance.

2016-11-02 14:25:32.624	 And understanding that you need

2016-11-02 14:25:34.688	 to sort of step out of it a

2016-11-02 14:25:37.742	 little bit and study it

2016-11-02 14:25:37.742	 .

2016-11-02 14:25:42.868	 Con structural racism as he says

2016-11-02 14:25:43.879	 is a silent opportunity killer.

2016-11-02 14:25:45.946	 It just slams you down.

2016-11-02 14:25:49.031	 So the fact that you need to

2016-11-02 14:25:51.114	 sort of take a pause and study

2016-11-02 14:25:53.164	 it and also the fact stha --

2016-11-02 14:25:56.238	 that -- I said this in our phone

2016-11-02 14:25:58.249	 conversation.

2016-11-02 14:25:58.25	 I'm being very deliberate about

2016-11-02 14:26:01.299	 race -- racial equity because

2016-11-02 14:26:04.442	 cultural equity is a whole

2016-11-02 14:26:06.488	 nother -- disability, fe minism,

2016-11-02 14:26:08.548	 queerness, all those equity kind

2016-11-02 14:26:11.569	 of desires

2016-11-02 14:26:11.569	 are there.

2016-11-02 14:26:18.692	 But that can -- I've witnessed

2016-11-02 14:26:21.749	 how cultural equity still

2016-11-02 14:26:24.817	 maintains whiteness as a

2016-11-02 14:26:26.823	 dominant ideology.

2016-11-02 14:26:28.828	 Judy: I would say we kind of

2016-11-02 14:26:30.892	 have a little disagreement on

2016-11-02 14:26:31.907	 the phone and maybe it's just

2016-11-02 14:26:33.959	 because I don't think anything

2016-11-02 14:26:36.989	 is going to change until kind of

2016-11-02 14:26:40.03	 we all play a role in changing

2016-11-02 14:26:41.07	 it.

2016-11-02 14:26:41.07	 I mean, when my daughter

2016-11-02 14:26:41.07	 was

2016-11-02 14:26:48.206	 young I remember her coming to

2016-11-02 14:26:49.274	 me and saying do you think

2016-11-02 14:26:51.282	 you've been discriminated more

2016-11-02 14:26:52.283	 as a woman or as a black, mom?

2016-11-02 14:26:55.409	 And, you know, I got my act

2016-11-02 14:26:56.412	 together and said, well, you

2016-11-02 14:27:00.501	 shouldn't have discrimination in

2016-11-02 14:27:01.53	 any form.

2016-11-02 14:27:02.53	 It's wrong.

2016-11-02 14:27:03.585	 But it was really interesting

2016-11-02 14:27:05.627	 because I am now an

2016-11-02 14:27:08.693	 African-American woman in this

2016-11-02 14:27:10.695	 real position of privilege.

2016-11-02 14:27:12.735	 I think we're all in position of

2016-11-02 14:27:13.751	 privilege.

2016-11-02 14:27:14.74	 Then I think we need allies to

2016-11-02 14:27:15.784	 kind of shift and things don't

2016-11-02 14:27:18.874	 shift right away.

2016-11-02 14:27:21.945	 And so I'm still

2016-11-02 14:27:21.945	 struggling with

2016-11-02 14:27:30.072	 saying the whole focus should be

2016-11-02 14:27:32.116	 around race.

2016-11-02 14:27:35.16	 I just don't want to say we need

2016-11-02 14:27:36.214	 to all get along.

2016-11-02 14:27:39.292	 But a couple of things and I

2016-11-02 14:27:41.323	 just feel like I can't end

2016-11-02 14:27:44.36	 without just having you know how

2016-11-02 14:27:46.408	 things look on this side of the

2016-11-02 14:27:48.485	 table.

2016-11-02 14:27:49.486	 Because if you talk about power

2016-11-02 14:27:50.553	 dine amics, the biggest power

2016-11-02 14:27:53.613	 dynamic I think is in organized

2016-11-02 14:27:56.739	 philanthropy.

2016-11-02 14:27:56.74	 You know, I have written about

2016-11-02 14:28:00.782	 the fact that since taking this

2016-11-02 14:28:02.795	 job people have come up to me

2016-11-02 14:28:03.828	 and said I've always thought you

2016-11-02 14:28:04.852	 were brilliant.

2016-11-02 14:28:05.867	 Boy, haven't you lost weight,

2016-11-02 14:28:08.914	 Judy?

2016-11-02 14:28:09.958	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 14:28:10.983	 Judy: I realize I am brilliant,

2016-11-02 14:28:13.033	 I haven't lost any weight

2016-11-02 14:28:15.107	 either.

2016-11-02 14:28:15.107	 But, you know, I'm standing

2016-11-02 14:28:18.161	 between folks who care deeply

2016-11-02 14:28:20.207	 about the community and you know

2016-11-02 14:28:21.234	 how hard it is to get resources

2016-11-02 14:28:24.317	 and 35 million.

2016-11-02 14:28:27.467	 And so one of the things I

2016-11-02 14:28:29.487	 always tell nonprofits is that

2016-11-02 14:28:30.531	 that -- is that I think you guy

2016-11-02 14:28:33.615	 don't always use the power you

2016-11-02 14:28:36.704	 have to help us be more

2016-11-02 14:28:39.779	 accountable.

2016-11-02 14:28:39.78	 In order to do that you might

2016-11-02 14:28:43.97	 have to take a little risk and

2016-11-02 14:28:46.981	 be a little unselfish

2016-11-02 14:28:46.981	 and I wish

2016-11-02 14:28:55.119	 a nonprofit would call me up and

2016-11-02 14:28:57.167	 say where the hell is my money?

2016-11-02 14:28:59.205	 You're taking forever.

2016-11-02 14:29:01.207	 We take forever because we can

2016-11-02 14:29:03.233	 take forever.

2016-11-02 14:29:03.233	 We're trying to change it.

2016-11-02 14:29:07.368	 Diedra: This is being recorded

2016-11-02 14:29:09.404	 so they might now.

2016-11-02 14:29:12.483	 Judy: Right.

2016-11-02 14:29:12.484	 But there isn't.

2016-11-02 14:29:13.483	 So I'm saying what would happen

2016-11-02 14:29:17.565	 because there is also

2016-11-02 14:29:17.565	 -- I want

2016-11-02 14:29:23.732	 to talk about the fact of many

2016-11-02 14:29:25.77	 small, amazing cultural

2016-11-02 14:29:27.813	 organizations that we want to

2016-11-02 14:29:29.814	 keep

2016-11-02 14:29:29.814	 and that doesn't mean we

2016-11-02 14:29:35.909	 want the San Francisco symphony.

2016-11-02 14:29:37.911	 How powerful it would be for me

2016-11-02 14:29:39.919	 if a group of large arts

2016-11-02 14:29:41.982	 organizations, you please, would

2016-11-02 14:29:44.042	 say -- you know, would say, you,

2016-11-02 14:29:47.111	 the philanthropic sector, you

2016-11-02 14:29:49.158	 need to be doing more.

2016-11-02 14:29:50.212	 You need to be -- you say that

2016-11-02 14:29:53.292	 you're all for equity you're

2016-11-02 14:29:57.357	 asking us for, you know,

2016-11-02 14:29:59.408	 information about our boards,

2016-11-02 14:30:00.454	 first of all, how do your boards

2016-11-02 14:30:02.539	 look?

2016-11-02 14:30:02.539	 But you need to be doing

2016-11-02 14:30:02.539	 even

2016-11-02 14:30:07.658	 more because, guess what?

2016-11-02 14:30:11.778	 Our organization cares about the

2016-11-02 14:30:14.784	 greater common good and we can't

2016-11-02 14:30:16.838	 be as successful in promoting

2016-11-02 14:30:20.952	 the arts and appreciation for

2016-11-02 14:30:22.986	 the culture if these

2016-11-02 14:30:23.997	 organizations aren't successful.

2016-11-02 14:30:27.067	 So -- and there is enough

2016-11-02 14:30:30.184	 resources.

2016-11-02 14:30:30.184	 There are a lot of philanthropic

2016-11-02 14:30:33.235	 resources, but we -- and then on

2016-11-02 14:30:35.272	 the other side the philanthropic

2016-11-02 14:30:37.319	 sector where a report just came

2016-11-02 14:30:39.404	 out after five years saying, you

2016-11-02 14:30:43.485	 know, our board rooms and our

2016-11-02 14:30:47.617	 executive suites don't really

2016-11-02 14:30:48.612	 look good and we are not doing

2016-11-02 14:30:50.658	 what we say we are supposed to

2016-11-02 14:30:51.705	 be doing and giving more money

2016-11-02 14:30:53.735	 out to under served areas.

2016-11-02 14:31:03.858	 And not to get folks to yell and

2016-11-02 14:31:05.906	 scream but when you're talking,

2016-11-02 14:31:07.983	 can you tell us a little bit

2016-11-02 14:31:12.065	 more, Mr., Mrs. Foundation

2016-11-02 14:31:14.132	 person, about what you're doing

2016-11-02 14:31:18.27	 broadly about promoting a

2016-11-02 14:31:18.27	 more

2016-11-02 14:31:24.408	 diverse cultural environment?

2016-11-02 14:31:25.413	 It's just one -- another sense

2016-11-02 14:31:27.457	 of the power that you might have

2016-11-02 14:31:28.483	 because there's a little secret

2016-11-02 14:31:29.533	 I want to tell you.

2016-11-02 14:31:31.563	 We cannot do our jobs if we do

2016-11-02 14:31:36.666	 not have thriving, vibrant ,

2016-11-02 14:31:41.821	 cultural organizations.

2016-11-02 14:31:43.871	 It's like having a lot of money

2016-11-02 14:31:44.925	 and nothing to do with it.

2016-11-02 14:31:45.969	 We need the sector so you can be

2016-11-02 14:31:47.984	 a partner.

2016-11-02 14:31:50.032	 Diedra: Thank you.

2016-11-02 14:31:50.033	 On that golden nugget we're

2016-11-02 14:31:51.061	 going to move to questions.

2016-11-02 14:31:53.171	 Just want to remind you we have

2016-11-02 14:31:55.203	 40 plus people watching live.

2016-11-02 14:31:56.226	 We definitely welcome your

2016-11-02 14:31:58.239	 questions and comments via

2016-11-02 14:31:59.285	 Twitter, use the # new Cal arts.

2016-11-02 14:32:02.316	 Or the e-mail address scrolling

2016-11-02 14:32:03.32	 at the bottom of your screen.

2016-11-02 14:32:06.41	 So we'll move to the room.

2016-11-02 14:32:09.53	 Apologies.

2016-11-02 14:32:09.53	 I got enthralled like the rest

2016-11-02 14:32:10.529	 of you in the conversation, so

2016-11-02 14:32:13.602	 we're a little behind on

2016-11-02 14:32:14.607	 starting the q & a.

2016-11-02 14:32:20.731	 Eric mayo, on the board of

2016-11-02 14:32:22.769	 center for the arts.

2016-11-02 14:32:23.775	 You're talking about the small

2016-11-02 14:32:24.782	 community organizations and then

2016-11-02 14:32:26.823	 you're talking about boards and

2016-11-02 14:32:27.831	 maybe bringing on people for

2016-11-02 14:32:30.857	 their expertise.

2016-11-02 14:32:31.857	 And I'm like, the larger

2016-11-02 14:32:33.923	 organizations really ready to

2016-11-02 14:32:37.954	 actively engage the, those board

2016-11-02 14:32:41.029	 members the way that community

2016-11-02 14:32:43.07	 organization can have them

2016-11-02 14:32:44.125	 involved in the day to day?

2016-11-02 14:32:46.199	 And don't we need that along

2016-11-02 14:32:48.232	 with the governance?

2016-11-02 14:32:49.267	 Because otherwise you bring on

2016-11-02 14:32:50.307	 really active, engaged people

2016-11-02 14:32:52.319	 and there is nothing for them to

2016-11-02 14:32:53.358	 do.

2016-11-02 14:32:58.479	 Diedra: Is that directed at a

2016-11-02 14:32:59.483	 particular person or --?

2016-11-02 14:33:11.715	 Roberto: I gave some remarks at

2016-11-02 14:33:15.78	 the national opera America

2016-11-02 14:33:16.811	 conference a year and a half

2016-11-02 14:33:17.87	 ago, two years ago, about

2016-11-02 14:33:20.959	 engagement work.

2016-11-02 14:33:22.982	 It was more about territorial

2016-11-02 14:33:26.074	 sort of strategies.

2016-11-02 14:33:26.074	 And as the opera tries to figure

2016-11-02 14:33:29.108	 out their relationship to

2016-11-02 14:33:31.208	 communities.

2016-11-02 14:33:33.277	 Diverse communities.

2016-11-02 14:33:34.317	 Every day people type

2016-11-02 14:33:36.318	 communities.

2016-11-02 14:33:37.356	 That was my editorial comment.

2016-11-02 14:33:40.365	 And so I was just sort of

2016-11-02 14:33:43.413	 rambling like I do and I just

2016-11-02 14:33:45.478	 said, you know, I learned this

2016-11-02 14:33:47.559	 from colleagues who , in

2016-11-02 14:33:47.559	 Arnet

2016-11-02 14:33:54.657	 routes, which is a network of

2016-11-02 14:33:56.732	 community arts groups in the

2016-11-02 14:33:57.735	 south.

2016-11-02 14:33:59.75	 I don't know the secret sauce in

2016-11-02 14:34:01.816	 the relationship.

2016-11-02 14:34:01.816	 You just need to know that you

2016-11-02 14:34:03.92	 always start as a guest and

2016-11-02 14:34:05.951	 you're never the host.

2016-11-02 14:34:09.062	 You say that to the opera field

2016-11-02 14:34:10.112	 who are all about the red

2016-11-02 14:34:11.191	 carpets and the V.I.P., they all

2016-11-02 14:34:14.227	 -- they only know how to be a

2016-11-02 14:34:16.273	 host.

2016-11-02 14:34:16.273	 They do not know how to be a

2016-11-02 14:34:19.353	 guest.

2016-11-02 14:34:19.353	 The guests -- they're guests in

2016-11-02 14:34:22.414	 the city they live in and once

2016-11-02 14:34:24.462	 they understand guest as value,

2016-11-02 14:34:25.501	 then you can bring board members

2016-11-02 14:34:26.527	 to your team.

2016-11-02 14:34:28.575	 That knows like, you're not --

2016-11-02 14:34:31.615	 that maybe is a shift that needs

2016-11-02 14:34:33.655	 to happen that your board

2016-11-02 14:34:36.724	 understands, oh, the value of

2016-11-02 14:34:40.81	 guests and behaviors and how ,

2016-11-02 14:34:43.857	 your relationship to

2016-11-02 14:34:45.917	 communities.

2016-11-02 14:34:47.982	 They were stunned.

2016-11-02 14:34:49.031	 And then I was really -- I said,

2016-11-02 14:34:52.103	 if you're not a good guest,

2016-11-02 14:34:55.146	 watch out.

2016-11-02 14:34:56.147	 They'll burn down your house.

2016-11-02 14:34:58.229	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 14:35:01.231	 Cedric: I think both things need

2016-11-02 14:35:03.309	 to happen of course and that we

2016-11-02 14:35:06.351	 should always -- we should try

2016-11-02 14:35:07.361	 to default to the thoughtfulness

2016-11-02 14:35:10.451	 of the proactive and not the

2016-11-02 14:35:13.518	 rush of the reactive.

2016-11-02 14:35:15.529	 So if someone is saying oh, we

2016-11-02 14:35:17.616	 need to get these additional

2016-11-02 14:35:18.667	 folks in, that's reactive.

2016-11-02 14:35:20.7	 It's not thinking out the real

2016-11-02 14:35:24.775	 engagement, strategies around

2016-11-02 14:35:25.782	 really engaging folks, balancing

2016-11-02 14:35:27.819	 out power dynamics that exist on

2016-11-02 14:35:29.916	 the board, trying to strike that

2016-11-02 14:35:32.977	 equilibrium again.

2016-11-02 14:35:33.98	 We have to map things out.

2016-11-02 14:35:36.024	 And not that it can't be done

2016-11-02 14:35:38.045	 quickly.

2016-11-02 14:35:38.046	 One of the things that I love

2016-11-02 14:35:41.118	 coming from the work at the k

2016-11-02 14:35:45.214	 center, one of the things I love

2016-11-02 14:35:46.23	 about the lean startup

2016-11-02 14:35:47.275	 principles that many start-ups

2016-11-02 14:35:49.523	 adhere to is that you test.

2016-11-02 14:35:50.481	 You it rate.

2016-11-02 14:35:51.371	 You test.

2016-11-02 14:35:52.389	 You iterate and it happens

2016-11-02 14:35:55.402	 quickly.

2016-11-02 14:35:55.402	 I think there are lessons

2016-11-02 14:35:57.476	 certainly in that for the

2016-11-02 14:35:58.48	 nonprofit sector as well.

2016-11-02 14:35:59.543	 I am not at all trying to say

2016-11-02 14:36:01.569	 businesses do everything that a

2016-11-02 14:36:02.634	 nonprofit does.

2016-11-02 14:36:03.669	 I'm not at all saying that.

2016-11-02 14:36:04.706	 But this is one thing that I

2016-11-02 14:36:06.767	 feel like nonprofits can do

2016-11-02 14:36:08.77	 really well so when thinking

2016-11-02 14:36:09.773	 about board governance, when

2016-11-02 14:36:10.808	 thinking about engagement of

2016-11-02 14:36:12.84	 community members, what are we

2016-11-02 14:36:13.858	 going to test, how are we going

2016-11-02 14:36:15.867	 to iterate, how are we always

2016-11-02 14:36:17.903	 going to be in a quick learning

2016-11-02 14:36:19.959	 loop to make sure everybody's

2016-11-02 14:36:21.951	 voices are heard, and that we

2016-11-02 14:36:25.059	 level power dynamics on our

2016-11-02 14:36:27.062	 boards so we can engage people

2016-11-02 14:36:28.121	 in real ways.

2016-11-02 14:36:30.213	 >> A couple questions over here.

2016-11-02 14:36:32.23	 Question: I'm mark Nielsen,

2016-11-02 14:36:35.321	 Pacific symphony.

2016-11-02 14:36:36.361	 There is a lot of discussion

2016-11-02 14:36:38.395	 recently about equality,

2016-11-02 14:36:40.457	 diversity, which seems to focus

2016-11-02 14:36:41.476	 on race, ethnicity, or sex at

2016-11-02 14:36:44.555	 some point.

2016-11-02 14:36:45.564	 But socioeconomic seems to be a

2016-11-02 14:36:46.567	 piece that's often missing.

2016-11-02 14:36:49.644	 Particularly as Cedric is

2016-11-02 14:36:50.649	 talking about, the money and the

2016-11-02 14:36:53.729	 issue.

2016-11-02 14:36:54.772	 We seem to have what is referred

2016-11-02 14:36:55.774	 to as the elite particularly

2016-11-02 14:36:57.813	 within this group of the

2016-11-02 14:36:58.851	 majority of the organizations

2016-11-02 14:37:00.895	 are fairly large, typically the

2016-11-02 14:37:01.907	 boards have a requirement of the

2016-11-02 14:37:03.954	 certain minimum giving level in

2016-11-02 14:37:06.019	 that you have a certain level.

2016-11-02 14:37:08.07	 So is there really diversity

2016-11-02 14:37:10.129	 even if we have a board of

2016-11-02 14:37:12.155	 color, of whites, of all of us

2016-11-02 14:37:14.204	 but all of us are, "the elites"

2016-11-02 14:37:17.217	 is that really providing the

2016-11-02 14:37:19.233	 diversity and equality and isn't

2016-11-02 14:37:21.238	 it an interesting commentary on

2016-11-02 14:37:22.265	 the organizations if most of our

2016-11-02 14:37:25.415	 audience, desired audience are

2016-11-02 14:37:26.447	 more of the middle class and yet

2016-11-02 14:37:28.52	 we have no representation

2016-11-02 14:37:30.573	 because of where we structure

2016-11-02 14:37:33.566	 the boards to that whole middle

2016-11-02 14:37:35.634	 class which is the majority of

2016-11-02 14:37:37.703	 our audience.

2016-11-02 14:37:41.792	 Judy: Okay.

2016-11-02 14:37:41.792	 I guess I would have -- you said

2016-11-02 14:37:43.773	 a lot and a lot of it is kind of

2016-11-02 14:37:46.824	 what, I'm not saying your

2016-11-02 14:37:47.849	 organization but organizations

2016-11-02 14:37:50.945	 value.

2016-11-02 14:37:50.945	 So I would test that.

2016-11-02 14:37:54.018	 For example, in most of the

2016-11-02 14:37:59.119	 organizations , you know, that I

2016-11-02 14:38:01.15	 have served on boards in that,

2016-11-02 14:38:05.298	 sort of my middle career, I know

2016-11-02 14:38:07.315	 I -- I knew I was the poorest

2016-11-02 14:38:10.412	 person on the board.

2016-11-02 14:38:11.399	 I wasn't like dirt poor but just

2016-11-02 14:38:12.446	 in terms of -- but the boards

2016-11-02 14:38:14.449	 that I was on, because,

2016-11-02 14:38:16.49	 remember, I got a little

2016-11-02 14:38:18.519	 smarter, really valued, and I

2016-11-02 14:38:23.604	 felt valued for other expertise.

2016-11-02 14:38:25.697	 Now, they were really clear and

2016-11-02 14:38:26.742	 this is what I like.

2016-11-02 14:38:28.83	 You got to either give or get

2016-11-02 14:38:32.862	 and help in some way with the

2016-11-02 14:38:36.945	 fundraising and I said, well, I

2016-11-02 14:38:39.981	 can get, because I really

2016-11-02 14:38:41.023	 believe in this mission, and

2016-11-02 14:38:43.068	 they had the tools.

2016-11-02 14:38:45.12	 And, you know, the one

2016-11-02 14:38:49.15	 organization that

2016-11-02 14:38:49.15	 I was on, they

2016-11-02 14:38:55.311	 had a little competition.

2016-11-02 14:38:56.351	 I had 10 donors who made

2016-11-02 14:38:58.367	 contributions every year to the

2016-11-02 14:39:00.429	 annual fund.

2016-11-02 14:39:01.446	 My goal was to connect with them

2016-11-02 14:39:05.477	 -- with these donors every

2016-11-02 14:39:09.521	 quarter every quarter and then

2016-11-02 14:39:10.531	 make sure they contribute on --

2016-11-02 14:39:14.649	 that was perfect for me.

2016-11-02 14:39:16.695	 And I surpassed what that

2016-11-02 14:39:19.701	 expectation or goal was.

2016-11-02 14:39:22.771	 But it was -- it was an

2016-11-02 14:39:24.812	 opportunity for me to kind of

2016-11-02 14:39:27.852	 show my worth in other areas and

2016-11-02 14:39:28.9	 then there were other ways that

2016-11-02 14:39:30.945	 I was contributing.

2016-11-02 14:39:31.979	 It was really the culture of

2016-11-02 14:39:34.979	 this organization.

2016-11-02 14:39:36.025	 It was a large organization.

2016-11-02 14:39:38.019	 So I am saying that if you say,

2016-11-02 14:39:42.102	 you know, you're not going to be

2016-11-02 14:39:45.098	 on this board unless you give --

2016-11-02 14:39:48.16	 write a check for $20,000

2016-11-02 14:39:48.16	 , they

2016-11-02 14:39:54.305	 would have missed, I think, me

2016-11-02 14:39:56.309	 because I gave $20,000 but in a

2016-11-02 14:39:58.357	 different sort of way.

2016-11-02 14:40:01.445	 And I added a lot more.

2016-11-02 14:40:03.492	 The other thing, too, is to

2016-11-02 14:40:04.529	 really think about other ways to

2016-11-02 14:40:08.605	 , you know, to get various socio

2016-11-02 14:40:13.746	 economics like having advisory

2016-11-02 14:40:14.725	 groups or whatever, folks that

2016-11-02 14:40:16.77	 can play a role and then can

2016-11-02 14:40:18.844	 help in other ways and

2016-11-02 14:40:19.847	 eventually kind of get to the

2016-11-02 14:40:20.849	 board.

2016-11-02 14:40:21.868	 But it really -- and I really,

2016-11-02 14:40:25.945	 really encourage you to really,

2016-11-02 14:40:29.025	 and I'm trying not to make a

2016-11-02 14:40:30.031	 value judgment but if you feel

2016-11-02 14:40:32.113	 you cannot have a board unless

2016-11-02 14:40:35.239	 everybody on the board can write

2016-11-02 14:40:39.356	 a check for 20,000 dollars or

2016-11-02 14:40:42.444	 whatever, I'd be really clear

2016-11-02 14:40:45.588	 about that and you're going to

2016-11-02 14:40:46.571	 have to find the diversity of

2016-11-02 14:40:48.616	 experience in a different way.

2016-11-02 14:40:50.66	 And I'm trying not to make a

2016-11-02 14:40:51.692	 judgment because I know how hard

2016-11-02 14:40:53.727	 it is and I know -- but there

2016-11-02 14:40:56.77	 are some creative ways of --

2016-11-02 14:40:56.77	 of

2016-11-02 14:41:01.893	 board members participating.

2016-11-02 14:41:02.898	 Another board I was on, would

2016-11-02 14:41:04.971	 you be willing to host or

2016-11-02 14:41:08.057	 whatever breakfasts or whatever.

2016-11-02 14:41:11.103	 There are other ways of

2016-11-02 14:41:13.194	 contributing.

2016-11-02 14:41:13.195	 It's what you value.

2016-11-02 14:41:16.24	 Roberto: Just for a moment, I

2016-11-02 14:41:18.285	 work as a public funder.

2016-11-02 14:41:19.306	 So, you know, my whole

2016-11-02 14:41:21.357	 experience is as a public

2016-11-02 14:41:23.445	 funder.

2016-11-02 14:41:24.554	 And if I -- my fund or review

2016-11-02 14:41:27.527	 panel will be looking at those

2016-11-02 14:41:29.554	 applications for diversity and

2016-11-02 14:41:31.566	 they may say, oh, this person is

2016-11-02 14:41:33.657	 really a gre at community

2016-11-02 14:41:36.723	 organizer.

2016-11-02 14:41:36.723	 They're not of wealth but I

2016-11-02 14:41:38.822	 value their input and their

2016-11-02 14:41:40.829	 expertise on this board, this

2016-11-02 14:41:43.918	 organization.

2016-11-02 14:41:43.919	 That may result in a check of

2016-11-02 14:41:45.971	 $20,000.

2016-11-02 14:41:47.016	 So I'm sort of, just to go back

2016-11-02 14:41:49.013	 to the composition of your

2016-11-02 14:41:51.06	 board, there are many different

2016-11-02 14:41:54.147	 expertise that can come.

2016-11-02 14:41:56.194	 And some may be an individual

2016-11-02 14:41:58.223	 that's a trusted, really

2016-11-02 14:42:01.259	 understands public service and

2016-11-02 14:42:02.264	 that's kind of what my charge is

2016-11-02 14:42:04.309	 to look at public impact.

2016-11-02 14:42:07.406	 Cedric: I'd really struggle with

2016-11-02 14:42:08.444	 give or get.

2016-11-02 14:42:09.475	 I mean, I'm glad there is a give

2016-11-02 14:42:11.528	 or get provision that will allow

2016-11-02 14:42:13.554	 folks who can't write the check

2016-11-02 14:42:15.603	 to be kind of equals but, again,

2016-11-02 14:42:17.601	 I think that buys into, kind of

2016-11-02 14:42:20.661	 promotes the system where you

2016-11-02 14:42:22.696	 have to either be networked or

2016-11-02 14:42:24.73	 you have to have it yourself in

2016-11-02 14:42:27.882	 order to re present on a board.

2016-11-02 14:42:28.862	 And it overlooks other kinds of

2016-11-02 14:42:31.979	 assets and knowledge.

2016-11-02 14:42:32.98	 So I wonder about the

2016-11-02 14:42:35.018	 re-examining the basic premise

2016-11-02 14:42:37.053	 of how the board selects its

2016-11-02 14:42:39.139	 members.

2016-11-02 14:42:40.162	 Is it for mission or money?

2016-11-02 14:42:43.266	 And make the decision and then

2016-11-02 14:42:45.307	 go with that.

2016-11-02 14:42:46.311	 I mean, be real about who you

2016-11-02 14:42:48.324	 are.

2016-11-02 14:42:48.324	 It's all abo ut the money, then

2016-11-02 14:42:50.365	 okay.

2016-11-02 14:42:50.365	 If it's about the mission, then

2016-11-02 14:42:52.398	 what does the board need to do

2016-11-02 14:42:54.478	 to restructure and reassert

2016-11-02 14:42:56.521	 itself so it is including all

2016-11-02 14:42:59.601	 the folks that get affected by

2016-11-02 14:43:01.653	 or are included in its programs

2016-11-02 14:43:03.643	 and/or its mission.

2016-11-02 14:43:08.72	 Roberto: Just the last small

2016-11-02 14:43:09.723	 point to make -- Jeff: Just the

2016-11-02 14:43:10.788	 last small point to make, if

2016-11-02 14:43:12.815	 we're about diversity, that,

2016-11-02 14:43:14.859	 yes, socioeconomic class

2016-11-02 14:43:16.863	 absolutely matters I think for

2016-11-02 14:43:17.861	 all of us.

2016-11-02 14:43:17.862	 I think in California it's the

2016-11-02 14:43:19.963	 intersections of all these

2016-11-02 14:43:20.942	 things at once.

2016-11-02 14:43:21.97	 Right?

2016-11-02 14:43:22.971	 Cedric: Yes.

2016-11-02 14:43:23.972	 Jeff: It's race.

2016-11-02 14:43:26.055	 Obviously there is racial under

2016-11-02 14:43:28.141	 representation.

2016-11-02 14:43:28.141	 Gender.

2016-11-02 14:43:29.154	 Because obviously there is

2016-11-02 14:43:30.192	 gender under representation.

2016-11-02 14:43:32.226	 And it's class all at the same

2016-11-02 14:43:33.27	 time.

2016-11-02 14:43:33.271	 That's what makes it so

2016-11-02 14:43:35.306	 difficult.

2016-11-02 14:43:35.306	 Judy: Again, checking

2016-11-02 14:43:38.353	 assumptions, my daughter, you

2016-11-02 14:43:39.389	 know, went to private school and

2016-11-02 14:43:41.442	 it just, everyone just assumed

2016-11-02 14:43:42.441	 that all the African-American

2016-11-02 14:43:44.474	 and Hispanic kids were on

2016-11-02 14:43:47.515	 financial aid.

2016-11-02 14:43:49.555	 And that, again, you know, put

2016-11-02 14:43:52.604	 people in a class , but made

2016-11-02 14:43:52.604	 some

2016-11-02 14:43:58.69	 assumptions, one, let's start

2016-11-02 14:43:59.737	 with what's wrong with getting

2016-11-02 14:44:00.776	 financial aid anyway, but made

2016-11-02 14:44:02.805	 huge assumptions, and, guess

2016-11-02 14:44:04.847	 what?

2016-11-02 14:44:05.895	 Made assumptions about how some

2016-11-02 14:44:10.969	 of those schools approached

2016-11-02 14:44:12.001	 those families for fundraising

2016-11-02 14:44:13.994	 support.

2016-11-02 14:44:13.994	 Because of assumptions that

2016-11-02 14:44:13.994	 some

2016-11-02 14:44:20.096	 folks had.

2016-11-02 14:44:21.125	 And so it's, you know,

2016-11-02 14:44:23.145	 complicated because it is about

2016-11-02 14:44:25.202	 money but I think the under liing

2016-11-02 14:44:29.266	 is the values and being a little

2016-11-02 14:44:32.325	 creative.

2016-11-02 14:44:33.31	 >> We have several people more

2016-11-02 14:44:34.349	 who want to comment.

2016-11-02 14:44:37.442	 Question: Good morning.

2016-11-02 14:44:38.443	 I'm a board member of the

2016-11-02 14:44:40.522	 Pacific symphony.

2016-11-02 14:44:43.558	 I am really impressed with what

2016-11-02 14:44:46.554	 you guys do today.

2016-11-02 14:44:48.604	 It very touched me.

2016-11-02 14:44:48.605	 I want to share a very small

2016-11-02 14:44:50.639	 piece of my story how I see

2016-11-02 14:44:50.639	 this

2016-11-02 14:44:55.81	 whole thing got it together.

2016-11-02 14:44:56.86	 About three years ago -- I was a

2016-11-02 14:44:59.932	 poor musician, still, and 35

2016-11-02 14:45:02.98	 years ago from Shanghai.

2016-11-02 14:45:07.109	 I am failure because I don't

2016-11-02 14:45:09.166	 have money.

2016-11-02 14:45:09.166	 I went to a different sector.

2016-11-02 14:45:11.246	 I make some success.

2016-11-02 14:45:12.225	 About three years ago,

2016-11-02 14:45:12.225	 there was

2016-11-02 14:45:19.467	 a grant to give the P.S.O. ,

2016-11-02 14:45:19.467	 able

2016-11-02 14:45:25.595	 to reach out to me.

2016-11-02 14:45:26.595	 I'm very touched.

2016-11-02 14:45:27.633	 So today I'm a board member.

2016-11-02 14:45:31.697	 I'm not only feeling this is the

2016-11-02 14:45:33.724	 right thing to do , I bring my

2016-11-02 14:45:37.851	 time, energy, focus, and my

2016-11-02 14:45:40.987	 wallet.

2016-11-02 14:45:40.988	 All together.

2016-11-02 14:45:43.045	 All in.

2016-11-02 14:45:43.046	 So I am, you know, we are

2016-11-02 14:45:43.046	 a

2016-11-02 14:45:48.143	 board member -- but I feel value

2016-11-02 14:45:53.249	 teaching my kids but I say, hey,

2016-11-02 14:45:57.343	 guys, this is great country.

2016-11-02 14:46:03.442	 I'm 61.

2016-11-02 14:46:05.487	 It's not 20 anymore.

2016-11-02 14:46:06.526	 But you have 30 years.

2016-11-02 14:46:07.528	 Keep it going like that.

2016-11-02 14:46:09.598	 So we had a dinner, you know,

2016-11-02 14:46:12.605	 very touched last night.

2016-11-02 14:46:14.613	 So my whole story for you, this

2016-11-02 14:46:17.735	 is so great .

2016-11-02 14:46:20.849	 A lot of work to do.

2016-11-02 14:46:22.895	 I live in the irvine area.

2016-11-02 14:46:24.939	 When I moved in, I'm -- there

2016-11-02 14:46:26.972	 were 48,000 people.

2016-11-02 14:46:29.016	 Today 250,000 people.

2016-11-02 14:46:33.102	 68,000 is Chinese.

2016-11-02 14:46:34.138	 A lot of immigrants.

2016-11-02 14:46:35.225	 A lot of work needed to do.

2016-11-02 14:46:40.356	 The Chinese leader council, I

2016-11-02 14:46:41.394	 want to be putting this

2016-11-02 14:46:43.449	 together.

2016-11-02 14:46:44.493	 The only power of music and the

2016-11-02 14:46:46.522	 arts will be to bring the

2016-11-02 14:46:49.561	 culture , community through east

2016-11-02 14:46:54.638	 to meet west.

2016-11-02 14:46:56.689	 The only way.

2016-11-02 14:46:56.69	 We need to put it together.

2016-11-02 14:46:58.72	 It's a hustle.

2016-11-02 14:46:59.766	 I like everybody.

2016-11-02 14:47:00.804	 Work all in one to have a

2016-11-02 14:47:01.868	 passion and keep it going.

2016-11-02 14:47:04.934	 And thank you for the

2016-11-02 14:47:06.991	 foundation.

2016-11-02 14:47:06.992	 We keep it working and we're

2016-11-02 14:47:08.008	 with you.

2016-11-02 14:47:09.027	 Thank you.

2016-11-02 14:47:10.054	 [applause]

2016-11-02 14:47:18.281	 Question: Hello: I'm the

2016-11-02 14:47:20.263	 immediate past chair of the La

2016-11-02 14:47:21.269	 Jolla play house so a female but

2016-11-02 14:47:23.328	 most importantly nominating

2016-11-02 14:47:24.345	 chair.

2016-11-02 14:47:24.346	 All of your comments really were

2016-11-02 14:47:26.391	 very powerful and we have

2016-11-02 14:47:28.44	 embraced diversity, inclusion,

2016-11-02 14:47:30.514	 equity for many years at the

2016-11-02 14:47:31.516	 play house.

2016-11-02 14:47:32.553	 We're making some strides but I

2016-11-02 14:47:33.553	 can tell you we're not where we

2016-11-02 14:47:37.635	 want to be.

2016-11-02 14:47:38.647	 Judy, your comments as to your

2016-11-02 14:47:39.695	 childhood are the basis of my

2016-11-02 14:47:40.718	 question.

2016-11-02 14:47:41.734	 As we are going into the three

2016-11-02 14:47:43.767	 communities that we are going

2016-11-02 14:47:44.827	 into, we really do believe this

2016-11-02 14:47:45.814	 is going to kind of lift up the

2016-11-02 14:47:48.95	 lid of some civic leaders within

2016-11-02 14:47:50.941	 that community , of other Phelan

2016-11-02 14:47:53.981	 philanthropicers and companies

2016-11-02 14:47:56.051	 involved and engaged in the same

2016-11-02 14:47:57.054	 communities we're in.

2016-11-02 14:47:58.057	 I would love to ask the panel if

2016-11-02 14:48:00.104	 there are any best practices or

2016-11-02 14:48:02.14	 ideas you have as we are

2016-11-02 14:48:06.225	 utilizing the wonderful

2016-11-02 14:48:06.226	 opportunity we have with irvine

2016-11-02 14:48:08.247	 to be in these diverse

2016-11-02 14:48:09.233	 communities how can we identify

2016-11-02 14:48:13.341	 -- cultivate board members from

2016-11-02 14:48:15.357	 that?

2016-11-02 14:48:15.358	 As, Judy, you said there was a

2016-11-02 14:48:17.432	 magical moment in your life.

2016-11-02 14:48:18.445	 I'm sure there are magical

2016-11-02 14:48:19.484	 moments we will have with

2016-11-02 14:48:21.553	 leaders within those

2016-11-02 14:48:23.644	 communities.

2016-11-02 14:48:23.644	 And we think that's an

2016-11-02 14:48:24.694	 opportunity.

2016-11-02 14:48:24.695	 I would love to hear your ideas

2016-11-02 14:48:26.74	 on how to help us.

2016-11-02 14:48:29.812	 Judy: Yeah.

2016-11-02 14:48:30.841	 The only thing I would say is

2016-11-02 14:48:33.047	 that I think that in many ways

2016-11-02 14:48:36.006	 arts organizations you have a

2016-11-02 14:48:38.058	 competitive edge in that your

2016-11-02 14:48:41.014	 product is basically a

2016-11-02 14:48:41.014	 key to

2016-11-02 14:48:46.102	 your brand.

2016-11-02 14:48:47.096	 I know enough about -- that you

2016-11-02 14:48:50.289	 have a

2016-11-02 14:48:50.289	 brand that really

2016-11-02 14:48:57.352	 reflects.

2016-11-02 14:48:57.353	 I think your commitment to

2016-11-02 14:48:57.353	 diversity or whatever.

2016-11-02 14:48:57.354	 But it's really

2016-11-02 14:48:57.354	 working hard and

2016-11-02 14:49:05.582	 that's why you're saying you

2016-11-02 14:49:07.512	 need allies across the sectors

2016-11-02 14:49:09.51	 in order to do it.

2016-11-02 14:49:10.559	 And it is really finding, being

2016-11-02 14:49:12.639	 creative about taking the art

2016-11-02 14:49:16.702	 too diverse communities as well

2016-11-02 14:49:18.735	 as how can you bring folks to

2016-11-02 14:49:22.805	 it.

2016-11-02 14:49:23.85	 Last night was brilliant.

2016-11-02 14:49:25.938	 I really think the museum of

2016-11-02 14:49:27.992	 contemporary art is going to get

2016-11-02 14:49:32.034	 huge benefits by just saying,

2016-11-02 14:49:33.05	 this is an asset.

2016-11-02 14:49:35.064	 We're a community organization.

2016-11-02 14:49:36.098	 This is our building.

2016-11-02 14:49:37.125	 It's after hours.

2016-11-02 14:49:38.141	 Come and use it.

2016-11-02 14:49:42.204	 We want to be part of the

2016-11-02 14:49:44.211	 community.

2016-11-02 14:49:44.212	 And it is so nuts because when I

2016-11-02 14:49:47.265	 think of especially the

2016-11-02 14:49:49.349	 African-American community, the

2016-11-02 14:49:50.363	 Latino community, communities

2016-11-02 14:49:52.389	 that link so much by the arts, I

2016-11-02 14:49:55.506	 was just telling Lori that I --

2016-11-02 14:49:58.567	 there is a buzz that I'm hearing

2016-11-02 14:50:01.567	 even in Los Angeles about the

2016-11-02 14:50:03.595	 exhibit at the museum on the

2016-11-02 14:50:06.745	 black panther.

2016-11-02 14:50:09.843	 And the fact, again, it was

2016-11-02 14:50:11.841	 brilliant in terms of what's

2016-11-02 14:50:14.94	 happening in the country.

2016-11-02 14:50:21.052	 Painful now but folks saying,

2016-11-02 14:50:22.058	 I've already gotten several

2016-11-02 14:50:24.12	 invitations from folks saying we

2016-11-02 14:50:25.132	 need to see this

2016-11-02 14:50:25.132	 exhibit because

2016-11-02 14:50:31.235	 the art really responds.

2016-11-02 14:50:32.258	 You know, as, you know, the

2016-11-02 14:50:35.303	 mother of a 6'6,"

2016-11-02 14:50:38.411	 African-American male who loves

2016-11-02 14:50:42.438	 classical music and getting

2016-11-02 14:50:45.514	 surprised by the most surprising

2016-11-02 14:50:46.515	 folks that he would want

2016-11-02 14:50:46.515	 to do

2016-11-02 14:50:51.636	 that as well as liking rap.

2016-11-02 14:50:55.733	 I know there are opportunities

2016-11-02 14:50:56.735	 out there.

2016-11-02 14:50:56.735	 It's really getting past

2016-11-02 14:50:59.847	 assumptions.

2016-11-02 14:51:01.849	 Cedric: I have three strategies

2016-11-02 14:51:02.888	 that aren't new but I like them

2016-11-02 14:51:04.934	 so I'll share them.

2016-11-02 14:51:05.944	 One is a general call to, I

2016-11-02 14:51:06.991	 don't know if you all have a

2016-11-02 14:51:09.014	 membership body or if you kind

2016-11-02 14:51:12.133	 of collect the names of folks

2016-11-02 14:51:13.144	 who come through.

2016-11-02 14:51:15.22	 General call.

2016-11-02 14:51:15.22	 This is what we're looking for.

2016-11-02 14:51:17.233	 So that there is a kind of crowd

2016-11-02 14:51:20.274	 sourced feeling about the

2016-11-02 14:51:22.318	 nominations that come through .

2016-11-02 14:51:23.302	 Of course, it requires much more

2016-11-02 14:51:24.309	 kind of leg work and sifting

2016-11-02 14:51:26.396	 through but that's a way to

2016-11-02 14:51:28.44	 discover undiscovered talent,

2016-11-02 14:51:31.492	 people, contributors, etcetera.

2016-11-02 14:51:32.516	 I love partnerships with other

2016-11-02 14:51:33.516	 community based organizations

2016-11-02 14:51:35.555	 that may be working directly

2016-11-02 14:51:37.594	 with those constituencies but

2016-11-02 14:51:38.588	 not in your particular subject

2016-11-02 14:51:39.592	 matter area.

2016-11-02 14:51:42.706	 A partnership that would then

2016-11-02 14:51:45.8	 yield potential nominations

2016-11-02 14:51:46.841	 based on folks that they know

2016-11-02 14:51:47.84	 and would advance to the

2016-11-02 14:51:49.914	 organization and I knew I was

2016-11-02 14:51:51.981	 going to forget the third one.

2016-11-02 14:51:52.987	 I'll see you afterwards for the

2016-11-02 14:51:55.011	 third one.

2016-11-02 14:51:57.056	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 14:51:58.095	 Jeff: I think that the wonderful

2016-11-02 14:52:00.14	 thing about, well, it is a very

2016-11-02 14:52:01.195	 difficult thing to have a

2016-11-02 14:52:03.236	 cultural shift within an

2016-11-02 14:52:04.271	 organization.

2016-11-02 14:52:04.272	 But the wonderful thing about it

2016-11-02 14:52:05.265	 is that if it's working on all

2016-11-02 14:52:07.305	 cylinders it can create this

2016-11-02 14:52:09.346	 virtual cycle, right?

2016-11-02 14:52:11.383	 So talking about the panther

2016-11-02 14:52:16.48	 event, that brings in -- that

2016-11-02 14:52:17.495	 was a product of a lot of work

2016-11-02 14:52:20.553	 that the Oakland museum was

2016-11-02 14:52:21.581	 doing with a lot of folks in the

2016-11-02 14:52:23.56	 community very deeply such that

2016-11-02 14:52:26.637	 everybody that needed to be

2016-11-02 14:52:27.64	 brought into that practically

2016-11-02 14:52:28.642	 was brought into that.

2016-11-02 14:52:30.683	 And then it becomes a thing

2016-11-02 14:52:32.75	 where the staff are interacting

2016-11-02 14:52:34.813	 with folks in a much deeper kind

2016-11-02 14:52:36.846	 of way.

2016-11-02 14:52:37.85	 And so the staff are empowered

2016-11-02 14:52:38.91	 to be able to start being almost

2016-11-02 14:52:40.983	 talent scouts for the board.

2016-11-02 14:52:43.057	 And if you're figuring out how

2016-11-02 14:52:44.117	 to open up the lines of

2016-11-02 14:52:48.216	 communication between the

2016-11-02 14:52:48.217	 community, the staff, and the

2016-11-02 14:52:49.233	 board, then it becomes this

2016-11-02 14:52:51.247	 virtual cycle that keeps on

2016-11-02 14:52:53.261	 going , moving up.

2016-11-02 14:52:54.277	 You know, eventually people

2016-11-02 14:52:56.31	 start appearing that, oh, of

2016-11-02 14:52:59.358	 course this makes perfect sense.

2016-11-02 14:53:02.446	 So it's almost mystical but it's

2016-11-02 14:53:05.511	 beautiful.

2016-11-02 14:53:07.516	 Roberto: Two thoughts.

2016-11-02 14:53:08.551	 Ultimately it's about

2016-11-02 14:53:09.559	 r elationships and relationship

2016-11-02 14:53:12.599	 building.

2016-11-02 14:53:13.6	 And be comfortable that the

2016-11-02 14:53:15.637	 advances are going to happen

2016-11-02 14:53:17.686	 obliquely.

2016-11-02 14:53:17.686	 It's going to happen.

2016-11-02 14:53:19.716	 I learned this from the dance

2016-11-02 14:53:20.742	 community.

2016-11-02 14:53:20.743	 When I was talking to them about

2016-11-02 14:53:22.767	 new work development, the

2016-11-02 14:53:25.807	 experimentations over here, and

2016-11-02 14:53:26.849	 it just sort of advances

2016-11-02 14:53:29.981	 obliquely.

2016-11-02 14:53:29.981	 So the change of your governance

2016-11-02 14:53:31.009	 is going to be oblique.

2016-11-02 14:53:33.052	 But it will be -- that advance

2016-11-02 14:53:36.093	 will happen.

2016-11-02 14:53:38.133	 You just need to vest in those

2016-11-02 14:53:41.181	 relationships and look at sort

2016-11-02 14:53:42.199	 of like oh, I have this good

2016-11-02 14:53:44.262	 relationship with Cedric and his

2016-11-02 14:53:46.307	 organization and maybe he trusts

2016-11-02 14:53:47.264	 me maybe he don't but let's have

2016-11-02 14:53:50.392	 a conversation.

2016-11-02 14:53:51.452	 And before you know it he might

2016-11-02 14:53:52.478	 be in your shop.

2016-11-02 14:53:53.48	 You know what I mean?

2016-11-02 14:53:54.509	 So that advance

2016-11-02 14:53:54.509	 -- first, you

2016-11-02 14:54:00.626	 need to be comfortable with

2016-11-02 14:54:03.715	 time.

2016-11-02 14:54:03.716	 You don't call up a lawyer or

2016-11-02 14:54:04.688	 any one of us and say, hey, give

2016-11-02 14:54:05.75	 me your best and brightest

2016-11-02 14:54:09.85	 colored person you need.

2016-11-02 14:54:10.889	 Judy: People do that.

2016-11-02 14:54:16.023	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 14:54:17.051	 Judy: It is not unusual for me

2016-11-02 14:54:18.056	 to get a call from a head hunter

2016-11-02 14:54:21.105	 because some large organizations

2016-11-02 14:54:23.18	 use head hunters saying, Judy,

2016-11-02 14:54:24.224	 do you know a person of color in

2016-11-02 14:54:27.245	 California who has fiscal

2016-11-02 14:54:29.286	 management experience?

2016-11-02 14:54:29.287	 I'm saying, well, yeah, but I

2016-11-02 14:54:32.329	 mean, it's like it's so, as if

2016-11-02 14:54:34.346	 it's some, you know, scarcity,

2016-11-02 14:54:37.482	 you know?

2016-11-02 14:54:39.511	 You know a lot.

2016-11-02 14:54:41.572	 It's really the relationship.

2016-11-02 14:54:43.636	 I was on, before I moved to L.A.

2016-11-02 14:54:44.709	 I was on the Berkeley rep board.

2016-11-02 14:54:48.799	 They tapped into my love for the

2016-11-02 14:54:50.879	 theater.

2016-11-02 14:54:51.883	 But I have to say, I got

2016-11-02 14:54:53.932	 intrigued with them, too, when I

2016-11-02 14:54:58.015	 went to one of their productions

2016-11-02 14:54:59.064	 and saw that they had taken some

2016-11-02 14:55:01.098	 interesting risk around color

2016-11-02 14:55:02.135	 blind casting, which I said,

2016-11-02 14:55:04.227	 hey.

2016-11-02 14:55:04.227	 This makes sense.

2016-11-02 14:55:06.266	 I felt, you know, I felt

2016-11-02 14:55:09.3	 comfortable and then I

2016-11-02 14:55:09.3	 don't

2016-11-02 14:55:14.387	 want to under estimate feeling

2016-11-02 14:55:15.388	 comfortable with the board.

2016-11-02 14:55:20.511	 I felt comfortable with the

2016-11-02 14:55:22.588	 culture.

2016-11-02 14:55:22.589	 They obviously had done some

2016-11-02 14:55:23.597	 work around this issue even

2016-11-02 14:55:25.631	 before I came on the board and

2016-11-02 14:55:27.637	 it just continued but it started

2016-11-02 14:55:32.774	 with that passion that I felt

2016-11-02 14:55:35.853	 about the theater.

2016-11-02 14:55:38.934	 I was able to bring everything

2016-11-02 14:55:40.988	 including the fact, you know, my

2016-11-02 14:55:42.02	 race, my gender, and my net

2016-11-02 14:55:44.044	 worth and being able to bring

2016-11-02 14:55:49.178	 other folks into that kind of

2016-11-02 14:55:50.239	 experience also.

2016-11-02 14:55:52.267	 Diedra: Do we have time for one

2016-11-02 14:55:54.297	 more?

2016-11-02 14:55:54.297	 >> Four minutes left.

2016-11-02 14:55:55.368	 We have time for one more.

2016-11-02 14:55:57.386	 Question: I'm Dana king, a

2016-11-02 14:55:58.381	 trustee with the Oakland museum

2016-11-02 14:56:00.386	 of California.

2016-11-02 14:56:01.386	 I'm the chair of community

2016-11-02 14:56:02.428	 engagement task force.

2016-11-02 14:56:06.432	 Judy, your history, being asked

2016-11-02 14:56:09.486	 because of your size, your

2016-11-02 14:56:11.508	 height, and color --

2016-11-02 14:56:14.508	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 14:56:15.525	 I'd like to put a different spin

2016-11-02 14:56:18.589	 on that.

2016-11-02 14:56:18.59	 My first big job I got, because

2016-11-02 14:56:20.603	 I was black.

2016-11-02 14:56:20.603	 I asked why.

2016-11-02 14:56:21.649	 He told me that's why.

2016-11-02 14:56:22.63	 I said, that's great.

2016-11-02 14:56:23.633	 You won't keep me because I'm

2016-11-02 14:56:25.634	 black.

2016-11-02 14:56:27.727	 Judy: Right.

2016-11-02 14:56:28.747	 Question: So my question is why,

2016-11-02 14:56:30.795	 since it's 2016 and communities

2016-11-02 14:56:32.863	 of color still self-segregate,

2016-11-02 14:56:34.915	 why can't we be intentional with

2016-11-02 14:56:37.982	 our selection of our board

2016-11-02 14:56:40.006	 members or not why can't we.

2016-11-02 14:56:44.148	 Is that wrong to say, look.

2016-11-02 14:56:47.18	 We need , around the Oakland

2016-11-02 14:56:49.233	 museum we have a huge vietnamese

2016-11-02 14:56:51.261	 community.

2016-11-02 14:56:51.262	 We have a huge Chinese

2016-11-02 14:56:53.298	 community.

2016-11-02 14:56:54.373	 We have a large Hispanic

2016-11-02 14:56:56.348	 community.

2016-11-02 14:56:58.385	 We need to be intentional in

2016-11-02 14:57:01.429	 going into the communities.

2016-11-02 14:57:02.476	 But the best people who know the

2016-11-02 14:57:04.531	 people in the communities are

2016-11-02 14:57:06.509	 people from those communities.

2016-11-02 14:57:08.592	 So I guess my question is why is

2016-11-02 14:57:12.679	 it wrong to be intentional?

2016-11-02 14:57:14.737	 Judy: I have a great story

2016-11-02 14:57:15.731	 because I think it is about the

2016-11-02 14:57:17.776	 culture of the organization.

2016-11-02 14:57:18.801	 I think I mentioned earlier I'm

2016-11-02 14:57:20.872	 on the board which is one

2016-11-02 14:57:20.872	 of,

2016-11-02 14:57:25.935	 you know, the country's largest

2016-11-02 14:57:29.004	 family foundations.

2016-11-02 14:57:32.086	 It's the andres

2016-11-02 14:57:32.086	 family, serdna

2016-11-02 14:57:40.292	 spelled backwards.

2016-11-02 14:57:42.294	 Gives you an idea how they feel

2016-11-02 14:57:44.3	 about this.

2016-11-02 14:57:44.3	 The family is celebrating the

2016-11-02 14:57:47.413	 100th anniversary next year.

2016-11-02 14:57:47.414	 Been around a long time.

2016-11-02 14:57:49.475	 John andres was a contemporary

2016-11-02 14:57:51.507	 of John Rockefeller.

2016-11-02 14:57:52.544	 The family is going to change

2016-11-02 14:57:54.549	 but right now it is

2016-11-02 14:57:55.586	 predominantly white.

2016-11-02 14:57:56.592	 They decided that they wanted

2016-11-02 14:57:56.592	 to

2016-11-02 14:58:02.725	 open up the family table because

2016-11-02 14:58:04.762	 it's a family foundation to get

2016-11-02 14:58:07.795	 more diversity of experience,

2016-11-02 14:58:09.844	 I'm sure ethnic diversity and

2016-11-02 14:58:11.884	 all of that.

2016-11-02 14:58:12.932	 And I was interviewed.

2016-11-02 14:58:14.971	 And as we're going through it

2016-11-02 14:58:16.04	 and I'm thinking, okay.

2016-11-02 14:58:18.052	 Am I just going to be a token or

2016-11-02 14:58:20.087	 whatever, and one of the family

2016-11-02 14:58:22.128	 members saying, Judy, if you

2016-11-02 14:58:24.181	 haven't noticed, we're white.

2016-11-02 14:58:27.257	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 14:58:28.262	 Let's talk about race.

2016-11-02 14:58:30.304	 And , I mean, it was, you know,

2016-11-02 14:58:34.473	 after they had really grilled

2016-11-02 14:58:37.511	 me, really grilled me also on

2016-11-02 14:58:39.592	 all of the other expertise, we

2016-11-02 14:58:41.631	 then had a real interesting

2016-11-02 14:58:42.686	 conversation.

2016-11-02 14:58:43.728	 That usually does not happen in

2016-11-02 14:58:48.868	 most -- it just opened up the

2016-11-02 14:58:50.939	 kind of discussion.

2016-11-02 14:58:52.013	 The other thing they did which I

2016-11-02 14:58:53.01	 think you guys probably know

2016-11-02 14:58:58.1	 research, is that there are

2016-11-02 14:59:01.232	 three nonfamily members on the

2016-11-02 14:59:02.229	 board and the staff, which is

2016-11-02 14:59:07.34	 very much part of the culture,

2016-11-02 14:59:09.338	 they're in the room and they're

2016-11-02 14:59:10.355	 more diverse, too .

2016-11-02 14:59:16.527	 They were thinking -- I'm

2016-11-02 14:59:18.552	 thinking, okay.

2016-11-02 14:59:19.602	 I'm a nonfamily member.

2016-11-02 14:59:21.636	 Will I ever be -- and I raised

2016-11-02 14:59:23.675	 that issue because I came in on,

2016-11-02 14:59:25.737	 with nonfamily members, not

2016-11-02 14:59:27.767	 having as long a term as family

2016-11-02 14:59:29.801	 members.

2016-11-02 14:59:29.802	 And then they just said, you

2016-11-02 14:59:30.836	 know what?

2016-11-02 14:59:31.836	 We don't want to do that.

2016-11-02 14:59:33.868	 You're going to -- we're going

2016-11-02 14:59:35.881	 to make all the board members,

2016-11-02 14:59:37.929	 all the trustees have the same

2016-11-02 14:59:41.047	 term.

2016-11-02 14:59:41.047	 So it takes -- it's not perfect

2016-11-02 14:59:43.088	 but you're right.

2016-11-02 14:59:44.137	 They were intentional.

2016-11-02 14:59:46.22	 It's really probably when folks

2016-11-02 14:59:49.268	 handle it, you know, you feel

2016-11-02 14:59:51.364	 like it's a token.

2016-11-02 14:59:52.379	 You come into it, into the

2016-11-02 14:59:54.468	 organization, you know you're

2016-11-02 14:59:55.485	 not on the executive committee

2016-11-02 14:59:58.504	 where all the decisions --

2016-11-02 15:00:00.542	 you'll never get on the

2016-11-02 15:00:01.565	 executive committee.

2016-11-02 15:00:01.566	 And then because there is not

2016-11-02 15:00:03.597	 enough diversity in the

2016-11-02 15:00:04.603	 organization when there is an

2016-11-02 15:00:05.63	 issue that comes up about blacks

2016-11-02 15:00:08.747	 or whatever everybody is saying,

2016-11-02 15:00:10.801	 well, what do you think?

2016-11-02 15:00:13.922	 But never also saying, hey,

2016-11-02 15:00:14.934	 would you also like to serve on

2016-11-02 15:00:16.984	 the finance committee?

2016-11-02 15:00:16.985	 Because I can be a good member

2016-11-02 15:00:19.049	 of a finance committee, too.

2016-11-02 15:00:21.09	 So it's the culture thing that

2016-11-02 15:00:23.132	 it's not, it's imperfect, but

2016-11-02 15:00:25.179	 you are exactly right.

2016-11-02 15:00:27.241	 In many ways nothing is going to

2016-11-02 15:00:29.265	 change until we're intentional

2016-11-02 15:00:30.306	 about it.

2016-11-02 15:00:32.354	 It's really how you go about

2016-11-02 15:00:37.428	 changing all of those practices

2016-11-02 15:00:39.477	 that come with it.

2016-11-02 15:00:44.542	 Diedra: One more question?

2016-11-02 15:00:46.602	 Cedric: Dana, it is a great

2016-11-02 15:00:47.63	 question.

2016-11-02 15:00:48.63	 Judy, thank you.

2016-11-02 15:00:49.678	 It is a great question and it is

2016-11-02 15:00:50.679	 built on intentionalityy.

2016-11-02 15:00:55.81	 You don't want to just get

2016-11-02 15:00:56.835	 anybody who feels like a token

2016-11-02 15:00:58.84	 coming into a situation that

2016-11-02 15:00:59.841	 might be hostile where they

2016-11-02 15:01:00.852	 won't be heard where they're

2016-11-02 15:01:01.902	 sitting there just as a

2016-11-02 15:01:02.927	 representative from the

2016-11-02 15:01:04.007	 community but they can't speak

2016-11-02 15:01:05.001	 for the myriad voices of that

2016-11-02 15:01:07.058	 community.

2016-11-02 15:01:07.058	 If people are really proactive

2016-11-02 15:01:08.084	 and thoughtful about the folks

2016-11-02 15:01:09.087	 they're trying to bring onboard

2016-11-02 15:01:12.129	 to represent certain

2016-11-02 15:01:13.138	 communities, they will have

2016-11-02 15:01:14.169	 built partnerships,

2016-11-02 15:01:15.21	 relationships, they'll be able

2016-11-02 15:01:16.248	 to ask in a way and say, we want

2016-11-02 15:01:20.29	 to make sure this board is

2016-11-02 15:01:21.3	 representative of the broader

2016-11-02 15:01:22.3	 community that is here.

2016-11-02 15:01:23.343	 In order to do that, we're

2016-11-02 15:01:25.384	 addressing these kinds of

2016-11-02 15:01:27.379	 dynamics on our board so the

2016-11-02 15:01:28.385	 person isn't going to feel

2016-11-02 15:01:29.418	 alone, so there will be a

2016-11-02 15:01:31.467	 critical mass of voices like

2016-11-02 15:01:32.474	 what the person is coming from

2016-11-02 15:01:35.546	 or like the kind of background

2016-11-02 15:01:37.594	 and institution the person might

2016-11-02 15:01:39.633	 be representing.

2016-11-02 15:01:39.633	 So I think there's a lot of

2016-11-02 15:01:41.669	 thoughtfulness that has to

2016-11-02 15:01:42.706	 happen.

2016-11-02 15:01:42.707	 We were kind of short handing, I

2016-11-02 15:01:44.764	 think we were short handing the

2016-11-02 15:01:46.777	 don't just ask because you want

2016-11-02 15:01:47.799	 somebody from x, y, z on your

2016-11-02 15:01:49.886	 board.

2016-11-02 15:01:50.915	 Be thoughtful about it and make

2016-11-02 15:01:51.916	 sure that the person is set up

2016-11-02 15:01:52.923	 to suc ceed.

2016-11-02 15:01:59.073	 Diedra: Thank you.

2016-11-02 15:02:01.097	 >> The live stream may have

2016-11-02 15:02:03.17	 ended.

2016-11-02 15:02:03.17	 I'm not sure.

2016-11-02 15:02:03.171	 We do have one more question

2016-11-02 15:02:05.222	 that may not be part of the

2016-11-02 15:02:06.237	 show.

2016-11-02 15:02:07.233	 >> Part of our show.

2016-11-02 15:02:08.271	 Question: I think it may be a

2016-11-02 15:02:09.298	 short question.

2016-11-02 15:02:10.295	 I'm Nancy Olsen from the

2016-11-02 15:02:12.358	 California Shakespeare theater.

2016-11-02 15:02:13.394	 I'm on the board.

2016-11-02 15:02:14.376	 I also for my day job and the

2016-11-02 15:02:16.471	 governance -- am the governance

2016-11-02 15:02:18.508	 officer for another

2016-11-02 15:02:19.548	 organization.

2016-11-02 15:02:19.548	 I'm loving this conversation.

2016-11-02 15:02:20.545	 You're talking about exactly

2016-11-02 15:02:22.621	 what I think about and try to

2016-11-02 15:02:23.606	 work with our boards on.

2016-11-02 15:02:25.625	 My question was you talked about

2016-11-02 15:02:29.742	 nonsustainable, nonprofits that

2016-11-02 15:02:30.812	 actually survived.

2016-11-02 15:02:31.755	 Do you have any information

2016-11-02 15:02:32.757	 about how they survived?

2016-11-02 15:02:34.798	 Is it through volunteers?

2016-11-02 15:02:36.841	 Is there more you want to say

2016-11-02 15:02:37.833	 about that or can say about

2016-11-02 15:02:39.858	 that?

2016-11-02 15:02:42.928	 Roberto: Well, my analysis and

2016-11-02 15:02:43.932	 this is just me talking to

2016-11-02 15:02:45.969	 folks, I'm not like a social

2016-11-02 15:02:49.052	 science

2016-11-02 15:02:49.052	 -- scientist who is

2016-11-02 15:02:55.192	 going to do a deep stud oin this

2016-11-02 15:02:57.253	 but I am a wordsmith so I came

2016-11-02 15:02:59.339	 up with the notion of

2016-11-02 15:03:00.334	 stewardship.

2016-11-02 15:03:00.334	 I just look at volunteers and

2016-11-02 15:03:02.345	 how crucial they are to a

2016-11-02 15:03:05.425	 community based organization.

2016-11-02 15:03:08.475	 How under valued they are and

2016-11-02 15:03:09.515	 how we don't clock that

2016-11-02 15:03:11.554	 information.

2016-11-02 15:03:11.555	 We don't ask for that data.

2016-11-02 15:03:13.701	 And that -- those people that

2016-11-02 15:03:14.683	 want data, you know, you

2016-11-02 15:03:14.683	 can get

2016-11-02 15:03:22.833	 it.

2016-11-02 15:03:22.834	 So the best volunteer I ever met

2016-11-02 15:03:24.881	 was a volunteer at the Japanese

2016-11-02 15:03:27.975	 American national museum our

2016-11-02 15:03:30.003	 mutual dear friend past, Karen

2016-11-02 15:03:33.05	 higa, we worked there, and we

2016-11-02 15:03:34.049	 chatted to the clerk that sold

2016-11-02 15:03:37.133	 me the ticket and then later on

2016-11-02 15:03:40.233	 she gave us a million dollars.

2016-11-02 15:03:41.225	 So there's a notion of, like,

2016-11-02 15:03:45.297	 how your contribution is not

2016-11-02 15:03:47.334	 necessarily -- necessarily the

2016-11-02 15:03:49.345	 check.

2016-11-02 15:03:50.378	 It was more important for this

2016-11-02 15:03:52.425	 elderly woman to sell tickets at

2016-11-02 15:03:54.479	 the same time as give a check.

2016-11-02 15:03:57.542	 In some ways it is still

2016-11-02 15:03:58.588	 volunteer work.

2016-11-02 15:03:59.629	 And maybe a donor still sees

2016-11-02 15:04:01.721	 that as volunteer work.

2016-11-02 15:04:03.762	 And so in some ways maybe we're

2016-11-02 15:04:05.753	 not measuring or understanding

2016-11-02 15:04:07.803	 the broad frame of the

2016-11-02 15:04:09.849	 volunteer.

2016-11-02 15:04:09.849	 Board members are volunteers.

2016-11-02 15:04:12.925	 And so let's just sort of -- I

2016-11-02 15:04:14.976	 don't know.

2016-11-02 15:04:15.971	 I guess I can go to arts

2016-11-02 15:04:17.005	 management sc hool and figure it

2016-11-02 15:04:18.015	 out.

2016-11-02 15:04:20.024	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 15:04:23.089	 Diedra: I've also worked with an

2016-11-02 15:04:24.102	 organization over the years that

2016-11-02 15:04:25.127	 was founded, I mean we're

2016-11-02 15:04:27.165	 working with the founder.

2016-11-02 15:04:29.224	 She is extremely Charismatic.

2016-11-02 15:04:31.232	 She doesn't have any staff

2016-11-02 15:04:33.255	 support.

2016-11-02 15:04:33.256	 That is one of the things we've

2016-11-02 15:04:34.26	 been trying to work with her

2016-11-02 15:04:36.301	 around.

2016-11-02 15:04:36.301	 Cedric: But she gets it done

2016-11-02 15:04:38.352	 because she mobilizes her parent

2016-11-02 15:04:40.457	 volunteers particularly and, I

2016-11-02 15:04:41.422	 mean, they turn out when she

2016-11-02 15:04:43.486	 says, let's do this, this, this,

2016-11-02 15:04:45.503	 and be here then.

2016-11-02 15:04:46.587	 They turn out and make sure that

2016-11-02 15:04:48.586	 they're ready to do the work

2016-11-02 15:04:50.667	 that the program is about.

2016-11-02 15:04:51.665	 She also has found an

2016-11-02 15:04:54.674	 alternative, what I call an

2016-11-02 15:04:56.721	 alternative funding source.

2016-11-02 15:04:58.789	 I.E., charging for some of the

2016-11-02 15:05:00.837	 services that she offers a

2016-11-02 15:05:02.879	 nominal fee but it's enough to

2016-11-02 15:05:04.945	 generate some income for her and

2016-11-02 15:05:06.979	 is supplemented by small grants.

2016-11-02 15:05:07.97	 She hasn't gotten a big grant

2016-11-02 15:05:10	 from anybody.

2016-11-02 15:05:11.015	 She's never gotten a multi-year

2016-11-02 15:05:13.109	 grant from anybody.

2016-11-02 15:05:13.109	 But she has been able to sustain

2016-11-02 15:05:15.129	 this work through the sheer will

2016-11-02 15:05:19.216	 of her desire to see her vision

2016-11-02 15:05:21.259	 continue to come to fruition.

2016-11-02 15:05:23.262	 And from all of these folks who

2016-11-02 15:05:25.481	 don't want to see the

2016-11-02 15:05:27.346	 organization die because they

2016-11-02 15:05:31.481	 want to see the powerful effects

2016-11-02 15:05:32.521	 it has on young people.

2016-11-02 15:05:35.6	 >> Thank you.

2016-11-02 15:05:38.728	 >> I'm told we have no more time

2016-11-02 15:05:40.749	 for questions.

2016-11-02 15:05:40.749	 On behalf of the new California

2016-11-02 15:05:42.81	 arts fund I want to say, thank

2016-11-02 15:05:44.828	 you, Judy, thank you, Jeff,

2016-11-02 15:05:46.871	 thank you, Cedric, thank you,

2016-11-02 15:05:47.878	 Roberto, very much.

2016-11-02 15:05:48.883	 This was amazing.

2016-11-02 15:05:49.916	 [applause]

2016-11-02 15:05:52.026	 >> Thank you, Diedra.

2016-11-02 15:05:54.049	 >> Roberto, love your socks.

2016-11-02 15:05:57.131	 [laughter]

2016-11-02 15:06:01.254	 Diedra: And so now we're --

2016-11-02 15:06:04.355	 lunch is ready.

2016-11-02 15:06:06.429	 In there I believe.