2017-03-11 09:22:00.103	[PLEASE STAND BY] 

2017-03-11 09:34:51.749	GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 

2017-03-11 09:34:51.751	EVERYBODY CAFFEINATED? IF WE 

2017-03-11 09:35:00.752	COULD ALL TAKE OUR SEATS THAT 

2017-03-11 09:35:00.755	WOULD BE GREAT. 

2017-03-11 09:35:00.757	WE ARE GETTING THIS SHOW ON THE 

2017-03-11 09:35:06.793	ROAD AND BEFORE WE PASS IT OVER 

2017-03-11 09:35:06.795	TO THE REENTRY FOLKS, I HAVE A 

2017-03-11 09:35:11.832	FEW REMINDERS. 

2017-03-11 09:35:11.834	TONIGHT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING 

2017-03-11 09:35:16.833	STRUCTURED AFTER 5:45 P.M.

2017-03-11 09:35:22.839	WE MADE SOME RESERVATIONS AT 

2017-03-11 09:35:23.833	LOCAL RESTAURANTS IF YOU ARE 

2017-03-11 09:35:24.834	INTERESTED IN DINING WITH OTHER

2017-03-11 09:35:27.835	PARTICIPANTS. 

2017-03-11 09:35:27.836	PLEASE SIGN UP BY THE END OF 

2017-03-11 09:35:31.923	LUNCH. 

2017-03-11 09:35:38.969	The other thing is that after 

2017-03-11 09:35:46.971	this is over we have a break for 

2017-03-11 09:35:52.972	10 minutes. 

2017-03-11 09:35:52.974	We need to change the room back

2017-03-11 09:35:55.976	to the inner circle and outer 

2017-03-11 09:35:57.974	circle set up. 

2017-03-11 09:35:58.972	I ask everybody take all of 

2017-03-11 09:35:58.974	their stuff and coffee and 

2017-03-11 09:36:00.971	migrate to the lobby for that 

2017-03-11 09:36:05.981	break. 

2017-03-11 09:36:05.983	We have a few new folks who, due 

2017-03-11 09:36:12.005	to travel delays, are joining us 

2017-03-11 09:36:13.004	for the first time. 

2017-03-11 09:36:13.006	I would ask them to come up here 

2017-03-11 09:36:17.002	and give a quick hello, name, 

2017-03-11 09:36:19.046	and affiliation. 

2017-03-11 09:36:19.048	Don't be shy. 

2017-03-11 09:36:23.083	>> and widths -- I'm with 

2017-03-11 09:36:31.087	Southern Methodist University's 

2017-03-11 09:36:32.086	school of arts. 

2017-03-11 09:36:32.087	We focus on interdisciplinary 

2017-03-11 09:36:42.088	art, intersection on the and 

2017-03-11 09:36:42.09	community engagement. 

2017-03-11 09:36:42.092	You>> I run the BU arts 

2017-03-11 09:36:57.172	initiative at Boston University. 

2017-03-11 09:36:59.172	All that fun stuff. 

2017-03-11 09:37:01.173	>> Kassie Mason, New Hampshire 

2017-03-11 09:37:09.224	State Council on the arts. 

2017-03-11 09:37:13.22	As >> we have a couple of things 

2017-03-11 09:37:22.255	going on in Washington, a couple 

2017-03-11 09:37:23.254	of things we are keeping an eye 

2017-03-11 09:37:23.257	on. 

2017-03-11 09:37:25.26	It's nice to be here in Boston 

2017-03-11 09:37:28.255	despite the teens temperatures. 

2017-03-11 09:37:31.256	My major focus has been working 

2017-03-11 09:37:38.26	on the arts and military space, 

2017-03-11 09:37:39.257	first with the national 

2017-03-11 09:37:39.259	initiative for arts and 

2017-03-11 09:37:41.253	military. 

2017-03-11 09:37:41.255	Wonderful to see so many people 

2017-03-11 09:37:45.257	whose projects I see on our 

2017-03-11 09:37:45.259	Facebook group. 

2017-03-11 09:37:49.256	I am so pleased to be joining 

2017-03-11 09:37:53.256	you all. 

2017-03-11 09:37:53.258	Most recently --  

2017-03-11 09:38:02.428	Healing arts network. 

2017-03-11 09:38:02.43	We are quite privileged and 

2017-03-11 09:38:08.601	delighted to have an association 

2017-03-11 09:38:09.59	with that project. 

2017-03-11 09:38:09.592	We love the New England 

2017-03-11 09:38:15.63	foundation for the arts and all 

2017-03-11 09:38:16.632	you guys have done to really 

2017-03-11 09:38:19.637	raise visibility and support 

2017-03-11 09:38:19.639	artists in this space. 

2017-03-11 09:38:19.641	I am very psyched to be here. 

2017-03-11 09:38:26.803	>> I am Rebecca, a music 

2017-03-11 09:38:32.891	therapist with creative forces. 

2017-03-11 09:38:32.893	I currently work at the Walter 

2017-03-11 09:38:43.054	Reed center. 

2017-03-11 09:38:45.098	>> welcome. 

2017-03-11 09:38:52.261	If you have questions, find 

2017-03-11 09:38:56.273	anybody who has tape on their 

2017-03-11 09:38:56.274	name tag. 

2017-03-11 09:38:56.275	I'm going to pass it off to

2017-03-11 09:39:05.345	Quita Sullivan. 

2017-03-11 09:39:06.382	>> Good morning. 

2017-03-11 09:39:09.474	When the national theater 

2017-03-11 09:39:14.527	project was first piloted in 

2017-03-11 09:39:16.593	2010, one of the very first 

2017-03-11 09:39:18.638	projects supported was reentry

2017-03-11 09:39:21.678	by American records. 

2017-03-11 09:39:21.68	Its focus on the Marine 

2017-03-11 09:39:28.846	experience and reaching a 

2017-03-11 09:39:29.887	community that was perceived 

2017-03-11 09:39:36.927	then as impossible was 

2017-03-11 09:39:36.929	instrumental. 

2017-03-11 09:39:36.93	It was the beginning of reaching 

2017-03-11 09:39:40.93	those communities who aren't the 

2017-03-11 09:39:44.927	stereotypical theater audience. 

2017-03-11 09:39:49.928	It changed the expectations of 

2017-03-11 09:39:49.929	what was possible. 

2017-03-11 09:39:49.93	Kj's vision cut the interest of 

2017-03-11 09:40:00.025	the advisors and was 

2017-03-11 09:40:00.027	instrumental in awarding the 

2017-03-11 09:40:05.027	grant. 

2017-03-11 09:40:05.029	In the seven years the project 

2017-03-11 09:40:10.056	received support it has been 

2017-03-11 09:40:11.06	awarded to universities and 

2017-03-11 09:40:11.061	regional theaters, it has toured

2017-03-11 09:40:17.054	to military bases at home and 

2017-03-11 09:40:17.056	Germany abroad. 

2017-03-11 09:40:17.058	It has full performances. 

2017-03-11 09:40:24.098	It has military chapels. 

2017-03-11 09:40:32.303	I have seen both out for and 

2017-03-11 09:40:36.306	beta versions. 

2017-03-11 09:40:36.307	And for me the most remarkable 

2017-03-11 09:40:42.432	thing were the comments and 

2017-03-11 09:40:42.434	experience of the children of 

2017-03-11 09:40:45.529	actively serving military. 

2017-03-11 09:40:47.599	We are still laughing about that 

2017-03-11 09:41:10.034	one. 

2017-03-11 09:41:13.055	ReEntry continues to have a life 

2017-03-11 09:41:17.056	and impact. 

2017-03-11 09:41:17.058	It received a grant to support 

2017-03-11 09:41:19.055	touring a naval version of the 

2017-03-11 09:41:23.054	show. 

2017-03-11 09:41:23.056	We do know there are significant 

2017-03-11 09:41:30.096	differences between the 

2017-03-11 09:41:30.097	communities. 

2017-03-11 09:41:30.099	KJ sends her best wishes. 

2017-03-11 09:41:37.098	She is sorry she can't be here 

2017-03-11 09:41:37.099	with us today. 

2017-03-11 09:41:37.101	This is near and dear to her 

2017-03-11 09:41:41.097	heart. 

2017-03-11 09:41:45.095	We are going to hear excerpts

2017-03-11 09:41:51.096	facilitated by --  

2017-03-11 09:41:51.098	And performed by Andrew Carlson. 

2017-03-11 09:41:57.184	There will be discussion 

2017-03-11 09:41:58.182	afterwards. 

2017-03-11 09:41:58.183	As

2017-03-11 09:42:07.181	>> ReEntry was commissioned by 

2017-03-11 09:42:19.183	two Rivers theater, but it was

2017-03-11 09:42:24.227	-- who came up with the idea in 

2017-03-11 09:42:27.228	2008. 

2017-03-11 09:42:27.229	He knew KJ had five brothers who 

2017-03-11 09:42:28.23	served in the military. 

2017-03-11 09:42:28.231	KJ asked him, who had to brother 

2017-03-11 09:42:34.278	serving in the Marines, too 

2017-03-11 09:42:34.279	write the script. 

2017-03-11 09:42:34.281	They had a few basic rules, no 

2017-03-11 09:42:40.281	politics, this was not about the 

2017-03-11 09:42:41.286	why of war. 

2017-03-11 09:42:41.287	Nothing is fiction area the 

2017-03-11 09:42:46.28	characters and the dialogue come 

2017-03-11 09:42:47.312	directly from transit -- from 

2017-03-11 09:42:50.35	transcripts of theater. 

2017-03-11 09:42:51.348	Only 2% of the dialogue was 

2017-03-11 09:42:56.35	changed to protect anonymity war 

2017-03-11 09:43:00.351	for clarification. 

2017-03-11 09:43:00.353	They spent time in first 

2017-03-11 09:43:05.353	interviewed service members and 

2017-03-11 09:43:06.35	veterans of all conflicts. 

2017-03-11 09:43:07.351	After spending time at Camp 

2017-03-11 09:43:09.356	Pendleton, decided to focus on 

2017-03-11 09:43:09.357	Marines serving in operation 

2017-03-11 09:43:12.349	Iraqi freedom and in operation 

2017-03-11 09:43:16.35	enduring freedom. 

2017-03-11 09:43:16.351	The decision was to go deeper 

2017-03-11 09:43:19.354	with fewer characters. 

2017-03-11 09:43:19.356	>> one I first got back they 

2017-03-11 09:43:28.35	sent me to this boxing match, 

2017-03-11 09:43:29.353	Don King. 

2017-03-11 09:43:29.355	And everybody cheered when they 

2017-03-11 09:43:31.353	introduced me. 

2017-03-11 09:43:31.354	A lot of people said thank you 

2017-03-11 09:43:34.351	for your service. 

2017-03-11 09:43:35.352	I had a lot of really nice 

2017-03-11 09:43:39.444	things done for me, but very 

2017-03-11 09:43:39.446	public. 

2017-03-11 09:43:39.447	I used to be a little bit 

2017-03-11 09:43:43.48	embarrassed. 

2017-03-11 09:43:45.48	Me getting wounded doesn't make 

2017-03-11 09:43:48.479	you a hero. 

2017-03-11 09:43:48.48	It is the one gunfight I lost. 

2017-03-11 09:43:52.486	Getting shot doesn't mean 

2017-03-11 09:43:56.483	anything. 

2017-03-11 09:43:56.484	I know they mean so well. 

2017-03-11 09:43:56.486	The problem is all mine, the way 

2017-03-11 09:44:00.533	on taking it. 

2017-03-11 09:44:00.535	There is what I know and what I 

2017-03-11 09:44:06.531	think. 

2017-03-11 09:44:06.532	I will try to stick to what I 

2017-03-11 09:44:10.531	know and stay away from what I 

2017-03-11 09:44:10.532	think. 

2017-03-11 09:44:10.534	What I know is nobody is going 

2017-03-11 09:44:15.564	to tell you the truth. 

2017-03-11 09:44:15.566	They never are going to tell you 

2017-03-11 09:44:19.561	the way things are over there. 

2017-03-11 09:44:19.562	They are only going to exhibit 

2017-03-11 09:44:22.561	chest thumping. 

2017-03-11 09:44:22.563	I was right there, we were 

2017-03-11 09:44:27.564	leading the invasion. 

2017-03-11 09:44:27.565	What I'm reading in these books 

2017-03-11 09:44:31.564	is nonsense. 

2017-03-11 09:44:31.565	>> It's always the books picked 

2017-03-11 09:44:32.603	that are made into movies. 

2017-03-11 09:44:34.688	Generation kill, jar head, which 

2017-03-11 09:44:38.688	was not endorsed by the military 

2017-03-11 09:44:41.687	. 

2017-03-11 09:44:41.689	>> When I came to in the 

2017-03-11 09:44:45.689	hospital I didn't know which way 

2017-03-11 09:44:45.69	was up. 

2017-03-11 09:44:45.692	We did what we usually do. 

2017-03-11 09:44:49.689	We formed ourselves into a unit. 

2017-03-11 09:44:51.688	We did something they don't do 

2017-03-11 09:44:57.693	now, we talked about it. 

2017-03-11 09:44:57.695	And we would tease each other 

2017-03-11 09:45:05.743	about being stupid enough to get 

2017-03-11 09:45:05.745	hits. 

2017-03-11 09:45:05.746	And they would tease me 

2017-03-11 09:45:07.785	mercilessly. 

2017-03-11 09:45:07.786	You can imagine getting shot in 

2017-03-11 09:45:11.781	the head with an RPG. 

2017-03-11 09:45:13.781	You know what I mean when I say 

2017-03-11 09:45:15.8	RPG? 

2017-03-11 09:45:15.801	Rocket propelled grenade, it 

2017-03-11 09:45:22.781	exploded on my head. 

2017-03-11 09:45:23.78	I was the perfect fodder for 

2017-03-11 09:45:24.78	teasing. 

2017-03-11 09:45:24.781	>> I never want to laugh, but 

2017-03-11 09:45:27.78	what I want to do is cry. 

2017-03-11 09:45:28.78	Especially seeing all those boys 

2017-03-11 09:45:31.787	when people in hospital. 

2017-03-11 09:45:31.789	Getting through that time all of 

2017-03-11 09:45:36.782	my strength along to something 

2017-03-11 09:45:39.781	bigger than yourself. 

2017-03-11 09:45:39.782	When you are a gunny's wife and 

2017-03-11 09:45:43.836	our summary otherwise looking up 

2017-03-11 09:45:43.838	to you, you have to be strong. 

2017-03-11 09:45:45.839	He wasn't going to show how hard 

2017-03-11 09:45:48.834	this was. 

2017-03-11 09:45:48.835	And your family and friends are 

2017-03-11 09:45:53.941	always around. 

2017-03-11 09:45:53.942	>> halfway through the interview 

2017-03-11 09:45:59.941	process, KJ and Emily decided to 

2017-03-11 09:46:00.939	include Emily's family. 

2017-03-11 09:46:03.942	Since they have different last 

2017-03-11 09:46:06.942	names than Emily, KJ and Emily 

2017-03-11 09:46:09.941	were able to change identifying 

2017-03-11 09:46:11.952	details to protect their 

2017-03-11 09:46:11.953	anonymity. 

2017-03-11 09:46:11.954	>> which one, John R Charlie? 

2017-03-11 09:46:18.03	Both of my brothers, both are 

2017-03-11 09:46:22.045	Marines. 

2017-03-11 09:46:22.046	You should see the looks when my 

2017-03-11 09:46:25.04	liberal artist New York friends 

2017-03-11 09:46:26.031	have when I tell them I have to 

2017-03-11 09:46:31.031	brother Marines. 

2017-03-11 09:46:31.032	The subject of war came up and I 

2017-03-11 09:46:37.089	said I had two brothers in it 

2017-03-11 09:46:39.082	and she gave me this look like 

2017-03-11 09:46:44.082	all-knowing or something. 

2017-03-11 09:46:44.083	Then she asked me where I was 

2017-03-11 09:46:44.084	from. 

2017-03-11 09:46:44.085	People always ask me when I find 

2017-03-11 09:46:46.082	out -- ask me when I -- ask me 

2017-03-11 09:46:53.109	where I'm from when they find 

2017-03-11 09:46:53.11	out. 

2017-03-11 09:46:53.111	We are from Portland, 

2017-03-11 09:46:58.11	Oregon, and they go, oh, like 

2017-03-11 09:47:03.109	that's supposed to mean 

2017-03-11 09:47:03.11	something. 

2017-03-11 09:47:03.112	Portland is known for 

2017-03-11 09:47:06.11	promilitary attitude? 

2017-03-11 09:47:06.112	That doesn't make sense, 

2017-03-11 09:47:11.109	Portland is known for roses and 

2017-03-11 09:47:11.11	rain. 

2017-03-11 09:47:11.112	When you go drinking with John R 

2017-03-11 09:47:17.191	Charlie, don't dish when you go 

2017-03-11 09:47:19.192	interview John or Charlie, -- 

2017-03-11 09:47:24.193	when you go to interview John or 

2017-03-11 09:47:26.195	Charlie, don't go drinking with 

2017-03-11 09:47:26.196	them. 

2017-03-11 09:47:26.197	>> when they come back they tell 

2017-03-11 09:47:30.194	us the usual fucking stuff, like 

2017-03-11 09:47:35.195	don't drink and drive, don't 

2017-03-11 09:47:36.194	kill your neighbor. 

2017-03-11 09:47:39.233	What?  

2017-03-11 09:47:40.235	You're going to have to form 

2017-03-11 09:47:43.238	that into a question. 

2017-03-11 09:47:43.239	>> what it I miss the most? 

2017-03-11 09:47:48.239	Vagina. 

2017-03-11 09:47:51.236	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 09:47:53.236	>> be more specific. 

2017-03-11 09:47:56.242	>> being able to take a shit

2017-03-11 09:48:01.236	and no one comes in. 

2017-03-11 09:48:01.238	Anything you do for fun I 

2017-03-11 09:48:04.235	missed. 

2017-03-11 09:48:04.235	>> Why did I join? 

2017-03-11 09:48:06.235	I don't know. 

2017-03-11 09:48:11.244	I wanted some life experience, 

2017-03-11 09:48:12.239	and not to mention we were at 

2017-03-11 09:48:12.241	war. 

2017-03-11 09:48:12.242	It was like reading a paper. 

2017-03-11 09:48:17.235	So many people were killed and a 

2017-03-11 09:48:25.237	lot of people were like, that's 

2017-03-11 09:48:27.24	so sad, blah, blah, blah. 

2017-03-11 09:48:27.242	And it just me off. 

2017-03-11 09:48:29.236	-- it pissed me off. 

2017-03-11 09:48:35.284	If you get a chance to do 

2017-03-11 09:48:38.283	something and you know -- that 

2017-03-11 09:48:44.287	is how it came about. 

2017-03-11 09:48:44.288	>> lies being a Marine on some? 

2017-03-11 09:48:50.334	Because we could to blow stuff 

2017-03-11 09:48:50.335	up and break stuff and save 

2017-03-11 09:48:55.344	lives and girls will sleep with 

2017-03-11 09:48:55.345	us. 

2017-03-11 09:48:55.347	>> I remember when he went in 

2017-03-11 09:49:00.446	thinking, this is a mistake. 

2017-03-11 09:49:00.447	Why would anyone want to do 

2017-03-11 09:49:03.448	that? 

2017-03-11 09:49:03.449	It is this huge other thing. 

2017-03-11 09:49:08.491	I was really test off. 

2017-03-11 09:49:12.536	John worked as a mortician. 

2017-03-11 09:49:18.62	My younger brother Charlie 

2017-03-11 09:49:22.699	enlisted two years ago, and I 

2017-03-11 09:49:28.699	was totally pistol and John went 

2017-03-11 09:49:28.7	in. 

2017-03-11 09:49:28.702	There was a war. 

2017-03-11 09:49:29.701	You're going to join a war on 

2017-03-11 09:49:32.698	purpose? 

2017-03-11 09:49:32.7	>> I never felt like I fit in on 

2017-03-11 09:49:36.698	the outside. 

2017-03-11 09:49:36.699	That's why became an officer. 

2017-03-11 09:49:38.699	After I got out of the Marine 

2017-03-11 09:49:41.738	Corps I worked for a funeral 

2017-03-11 09:49:45.745	home. 

2017-03-11 09:49:45.747	People are fucking stupid. 

2017-03-11 09:49:50.742	That's why I couldn't handle it, 

2017-03-11 09:49:54.789	it's not the death. 

2017-03-11 09:49:54.791	Grandpa died and the whole 

2017-03-11 09:50:00.837	family is screaming at each 

2017-03-11 09:50:00.838	other. 

2017-03-11 09:50:00.839	His worthless kids are fighting 

2017-03-11 09:50:06.908	over money and the grandkids 

2017-03-11 09:50:10.994	just want a nice funeral for 

2017-03-11 09:50:10.995	him. 

2017-03-11 09:50:10.996	I remember a fireman died and 

2017-03-11 09:50:16.037	there was a huge parade for him 

2017-03-11 09:50:17.035	because it was right after 9/11. 

2017-03-11 09:50:17.037	He didn't die fighting a fire or 

2017-03-11 09:50:22.083	rescuing anybody, he died on his 

2017-03-11 09:50:27.115	day off crashing a snowmobile. 

2017-03-11 09:50:29.116	I have to go to a parade of 

2017-03-11 09:50:30.127	mile-long because people have a 

2017-03-11 09:50:30.128	hard on for fireman? 

2017-03-11 09:50:30.129	An hour or so later I have to 

2017-03-11 09:50:35.115	pick up a debt for your old and 

2017-03-11 09:50:36.118	no one is throwing a parade for 

2017-03-11 09:50:36.119	him. 

2017-03-11 09:50:36.12	>> John is making me read this 

2017-03-11 09:50:41.118	book. 

2017-03-11 09:50:41.119	It's called Gates of fire. 

2017-03-11 09:50:41.12	>> This is the only job we are 

2017-03-11 09:50:49.16	not only do I just get to be 

2017-03-11 09:50:49.161	myself, but actually me being me 

2017-03-11 09:50:54.199	gets the job done better. 

2017-03-11 09:50:54.201	There is no other job I could 

2017-03-11 09:50:57.202	do. 

2017-03-11 09:50:57.203	>> I'm trying to read it. 

2017-03-11 09:51:01.215	It is total core porno. 

2017-03-11 09:51:07.201	It's about the battle of 

2017-03-11 09:51:10.244	Thermopylae, the 300 Spartan 

2017-03-11 09:51:15.287	warriors. 

2017-03-11 09:51:16.286	Don't tell John you learned 

2017-03-11 09:51:19.291	about it from that movie because 

2017-03-11 09:51:20.337	he gets just -- he gets pissed o 

2017-03-11 09:51:25.367	ff. 

2017-03-11 09:51:25.368	>> John, not his real name, had 

2017-03-11 09:51:31.368	returned from his second 

2017-03-11 09:51:31.369	appointment and Charlie was back 

2017-03-11 09:51:34.375	in his first deployment. 

2017-03-11 09:51:34.376	He was home recovering from an 

2017-03-11 09:51:39.413	IED explosion. 

2017-03-11 09:51:39.414	Charlie's sergeant was blinded 

2017-03-11 09:51:44.412	by the explosion. 

2017-03-11 09:51:46.494	His best friend died in 

2017-03-11 09:51:46.495	Charlie's arms. 

2017-03-11 09:51:46.496	Charlie returned with some 

2017-03-11 09:51:50.494	damage to his eye and shrapnel 

2017-03-11 09:51:50.495	in his skin. 

2017-03-11 09:51:50.496	Obviously this was not happening 

2017-03-11 09:51:58.494	to everyone in the Marine Corps. 

2017-03-11 09:51:58.495	The challenge became how to be 

2017-03-11 09:52:02.494	honest about what is happening 

2017-03-11 09:52:05.497	so close to home so as not to 

2017-03-11 09:52:11.538	suggest everyone responds to the 

2017-03-11 09:52:11.539	downrange or injured the same 

2017-03-11 09:52:14.59	way. 

2017-03-11 09:52:14.591	>> I go into hospitals. 

2017-03-11 09:52:20.592	I visit these guys and what they 

2017-03-11 09:52:26.594	are doing to these kids is all 

2017-03-11 09:52:26.595	wrong. 

2017-03-11 09:52:26.596	They are trying to transition 

2017-03-11 09:52:30.59	these guys into civilian life. 

2017-03-11 09:52:30.591	If they could just get back to 

2017-03-11 09:52:34.622	their units it would be a lot 

2017-03-11 09:52:37.663	messier. 

2017-03-11 09:52:37.664	>> they take all their will and 

2017-03-11 09:52:42.664	strength away. 

2017-03-11 09:52:42.665	>> when you are wounded the 

2017-03-11 09:52:45.663	thing you have to turn to is 

2017-03-11 09:52:47.682	your strength of character and 

2017-03-11 09:52:48.663	all of that is derived from 

2017-03-11 09:52:48.664	being a Marine. 

2017-03-11 09:52:48.665	I went through this thing on 

2017-03-11 09:52:54.663	transition. 

2017-03-11 09:52:54.665	Transitional what? why would you 

2017-03-11 09:52:58.705	make yourself a civilian? 

2017-03-11 09:53:00.709	We didn't put those core values 

2017-03-11 09:53:04.747	in you because they only work in 

2017-03-11 09:53:05.746	the battlefield. 

2017-03-11 09:53:05.747	There are too many victims in 

2017-03-11 09:53:07.79	the hospital. 

2017-03-11 09:53:10.788	It is about everything but 

2017-03-11 09:53:13.79	fixing these guys. 

2017-03-11 09:53:13.791	There is a slew of entertainers. 

2017-03-11 09:53:19.8	It just turns into something 

2017-03-11 09:53:23.79	they don't like. 

2017-03-11 09:53:23.791	I tell these guys you should 

2017-03-11 09:53:24.788	feel bad, this is not normal 

2017-03-11 09:53:27.79	what you have been through. 

2017-03-11 09:53:27.791	Actually it is very normal. 

2017-03-11 09:53:32.839	This is what we expect and 

2017-03-11 09:53:32.839	trained for. 

2017-03-11 09:53:32.84	You fought for something you 

2017-03-11 09:53:35.844	believed in. 

2017-03-11 09:53:35.845	Don't treat these guys like it's

2017-03-11 09:53:42.89	taboo. 

2017-03-11 09:53:42.891	I should be treated like I'm 

2017-03-11 09:53:42.892	damaged. 

2017-03-11 09:53:42.892	If you want to hear some story 

2017-03-11 09:53:44.891	about how I jump at loud noises 

2017-03-11 09:53:48.898	or have a drinking problem, you 

2017-03-11 09:53:50.89	are talking to the wrong guy. 

2017-03-11 09:53:51.89	I'm sorry to tell you, and maybe 

2017-03-11 09:53:55.94	the therapist and social workers 

2017-03-11 09:53:55.941	don't want to believe this, but 

2017-03-11 09:53:57.957	I sleep very soundly. 

2017-03-11 09:53:57.958	No flashbacks, none of that. 

2017-03-11 09:53:59.958	I have three combat deployments 

2017-03-11 09:54:03.958	under my belt. 

2017-03-11 09:54:03.959	I have killed hundreds of enemy 

2017-03-11 09:54:08.968	combatants, and I didn't do that 

2017-03-11 09:54:08.969	by pushing a button and watching 

2017-03-11 09:54:11.96	them die on screen. 

2017-03-11 09:54:11.961	I brought destruction and death. 

2017-03-11 09:54:16.958	Were there bad days? 

2017-03-11 09:54:17.962	Yes. 

2017-03-11 09:54:17.963	You think otherwise it is just 

2017-03-11 09:54:22.999	plain naïve. 

2017-03-11 09:54:23	So I was those things didn't 

2017-03-11 09:54:27.042	happen? 

2017-03-11 09:54:27.043	Of course I do. 

2017-03-11 09:54:27.044	Do I feel guilty? 

2017-03-11 09:54:28.044	No. 

2017-03-11 09:54:32.044	I trained to be a warrior, I 

2017-03-11 09:54:33.045	wanted to fight. 

2017-03-11 09:54:33.046	If I could fire my rifle I would 

2017-03-11 09:54:36.046	go right back. 

2017-03-11 09:54:36.047	>> It's the hallway behind --  

2017-03-11 09:54:43.092	Just two steps down. 

2017-03-11 09:54:43.093	When I talk to a civilian they 

2017-03-11 09:54:49.092	asked me what it's like to be 

2017-03-11 09:54:50.092	married to someone in the Marine 

2017-03-11 09:54:50.093	Corps. 

2017-03-11 09:54:50.094	We are a Marine family and I 

2017-03-11 09:54:54.144	chose this life. 

2017-03-11 09:54:54.145	I lied to you when I said I 

2017-03-11 09:54:59.172	never cried. 

2017-03-11 09:54:59.173	It is the secret all Marine 

2017-03-11 09:55:03.306	wives keep. 

2017-03-11 09:55:03.306	I fix my makeup and come back 

2017-03-11 09:55:06.341	out again. 

2017-03-11 09:55:06.342	>> a sixth character is the CEO, 

2017-03-11 09:55:14.344	-- the CO, the commanding 

2017-03-11 09:55:19.343	officer. 

2017-03-11 09:55:19.344	TheCO gave a special 

2017-03-11 09:55:29.42	presentation so their children 

2017-03-11 09:55:29.421	can understand what they are 

2017-03-11 09:55:29.422	going through. 

2017-03-11 09:55:29.423	It's nice and quiet and I'm not 

2017-03-11 09:55:35.503	a fan of big bars, so this is 

2017-03-11 09:55:36.504	perfect. 

2017-03-11 09:55:36.505	I do these lectures because 

2017-03-11 09:55:41.598	people need to know the whole 

2017-03-11 09:55:43.672	piece of it. 

2017-03-11 09:55:43.673	I want them to know there is 

2017-03-11 09:55:49.714	actual thought, intellectual 

2017-03-11 09:55:49.715	rigor. 

2017-03-11 09:55:51.713	It is not Hollywood chest 

2017-03-11 09:55:54.72	thumping me. 

2017-03-11 09:55:54.722	We are very methodical. 

2017-03-11 09:55:57.797	We are very emotionally 

2017-03-11 09:56:00.795	disciplined. 

2017-03-11 09:56:00.796	When I do these conferences, 

2017-03-11 09:56:06.795	when I talk to these parents, 

2017-03-11 09:56:07.796	you see their level of 

2017-03-11 09:56:07.797	commitment. 

2017-03-11 09:56:07.798	You see the hope in their eyes 

2017-03-11 09:56:12.796	when you talk about what they 

2017-03-11 09:56:12.796	are doing with their sons and 

2017-03-11 09:56:13.796	daughters. 

2017-03-11 09:56:13.797	That's when you feel the weight. 

2017-03-11 09:56:16.795	Have you heard the phrase 

2017-03-11 09:56:21.892	throwing in your ticket? 

2017-03-11 09:56:21.893	It's from Gates of fire. 

2017-03-11 09:56:25.928	I love that book. 

2017-03-11 09:56:25.929	I was born 2500 years too late. 

2017-03-11 09:56:27.922	I know, they all died in battle. 

2017-03-11 09:56:30.923	But those who weren't there, 

2017-03-11 09:56:34.923	they are dead to. 

2017-03-11 09:56:39.921	We are all going to die, it is 

2017-03-11 09:56:40.923	just a matter of when and why 

2017-03-11 09:56:41.922	and if it counts for anything. 

2017-03-11 09:56:41.923	These Spartan warriors have a 

2017-03-11 09:56:47.963	very important ritual. 

2017-03-11 09:56:47.964	Each warrior will take a big 

2017-03-11 09:56:52.004	twig. 

2017-03-11 09:56:52.005	On the end of big -- end of each 

2017-03-11 09:56:55.007	he would carve his name and then 

2017-03-11 09:56:58.004	tie a string to his wrist and 

2017-03-11 09:57:00.005	then throw it into the basket. 

2017-03-11 09:57:00.006	By throwing your ticket, you are 

2017-03-11 09:57:07.006	ritual lysing your willingness 

2017-03-11 09:57:07.007	to die that day. 

2017-03-11 09:57:07.008	And each warrior went back into 

2017-03-11 09:57:11.007	the basket and reclaimed their 

2017-03-11 09:57:14.05	ticket. 

2017-03-11 09:57:14.051	It's by those tickets that we 

2017-03-11 09:57:19.144	are able to account for the 

2017-03-11 09:57:21.173	dead. 

2017-03-11 09:57:21.174	It was an act of regaining one's 

2017-03-11 09:57:29.173	humanity. 

2017-03-11 09:57:29.174	And these lawyers who had not 

2017-03-11 09:57:35.18	shown no sign of injury or 

2017-03-11 09:57:35.181	fatigue up to this point, now 

2017-03-11 09:57:39.222	upon retrieval of their ticket 

2017-03-11 09:57:41.22	suddenly became over, -- became 

2017-03-11 09:57:46.3	overcome. 

2017-03-11 09:57:46.301	Their knees were -- their knees 

2017-03-11 09:57:51.301	would buckle and limbs would 

2017-03-11 09:57:51.302	shake. 

2017-03-11 09:57:51.303	>> when you get back, it's 

2017-03-11 09:57:58.31	weird. 

2017-03-11 09:57:58.311	A lot of people come up to you 

2017-03-11 09:58:01.301	and just say thank you. 

2017-03-11 09:58:01.302	Or, I'm glad you are home, or, 

2017-03-11 09:58:10.344	you're not going back again. 

2017-03-11 09:58:10.346	>> I do think you see the 

2017-03-11 09:58:16.395	gratitude, and I appreciate 

2017-03-11 09:58:16.396	that. 

2017-03-11 09:58:16.397	There was a moment of silence 

2017-03-11 09:58:19.397	for the guys who died. 

2017-03-11 09:58:20.402	A dozen people around him were 

2017-03-11 09:58:25.397	like, take off your hat until he 

2017-03-11 09:58:26.402	finally did. 

2017-03-11 09:58:26.403	I think people are expressing 

2017-03-11 09:58:29.4	their gratitude and a way they 

2017-03-11 09:58:31.426	know how. 

2017-03-11 09:58:31.427	>> when people thank you, it's 

2017-03-11 09:58:35.512	like they -- I'm like don't 

2017-03-11 09:58:41.509	think me, do something. 

2017-03-11 09:58:41.51	I know the ledge and of choose 

2017-03-11 09:58:47.55	getting spit on when they came 

2017-03-11 09:58:49.554	back from Vietnam, and it's a 

2017-03-11 09:58:49.555	radically different environment. 

2017-03-11 09:58:52.559	I would rather be thanked then 

2017-03-11 09:58:54.555	spit on. 

2017-03-11 09:58:54.556	>> How do I feel when I say 

2017-03-11 09:58:59.554	thank you? 

2017-03-11 09:58:59.555	You don't want to know, but 

2017-03-11 09:59:05.595	you're welcome. 

2017-03-11 09:59:05.596	>> just buy me a beer and we 

2017-03-11 09:59:11.648	will call it even. 

2017-03-11 09:59:11.649	I don't mind it when people 

2017-03-11 09:59:15.646	think they. 

2017-03-11 09:59:15.647	There are a lot of things that 

2017-03-11 09:59:18.645	his me off. 

2017-03-11 09:59:18.646	They are thinking the uniform, 

2017-03-11 09:59:26.68	and they should think the 

2017-03-11 09:59:26.681	uniform. 

2017-03-11 09:59:26.682	>> one of the reasons I get so 

2017-03-11 09:59:31.765	uncomfortable when people think 

2017-03-11 09:59:31.766	me as I feel guilty. 

2017-03-11 09:59:31.766	I didn't see the worse and I 

2017-03-11 09:59:35.761	feel guilty about that. 

2017-03-11 09:59:35.762	The only stuff I had to deal 

2017-03-11 09:59:38.763	with is I had to identify a

2017-03-11 09:59:42.762	officer who shot himself in the 

2017-03-11 09:59:42.764	head. 

2017-03-11 09:59:43.761	Then I had a stalker, someone 

2017-03-11 09:59:49.768	who it come in to tent at night 

2017-03-11 09:59:49.769	and steal my underwear. 

2017-03-11 09:59:49.77	One night I wake up and I see 

2017-03-11 09:59:54.762	this hand sticking into my tent 

2017-03-11 09:59:56.762	and I jump up and ran out of my 

2017-03-11 09:59:57.802	tent and I had a weapon and I 

2017-03-11 09:59:59.81	had this -- and I saw this 

2017-03-11 10:00:02.805	figure and he dropped something. 

2017-03-11 10:00:04.805	I thought it was a grenade. 

2017-03-11 10:00:07.806	It was my brought. 

2017-03-11 10:00:07.807	-- my bra. 

2017-03-11 10:00:10.804	>> we'll come back with a 

2017-03-11 10:00:15.848	certain amount of posttraumatic 

2017-03-11 10:00:15.849	stress. 

2017-03-11 10:00:15.85	We go into a restaurant and my 

2017-03-11 10:00:19.849	wife is teasing me. 

2017-03-11 10:00:19.85	Which way are the terrorists 

2017-03-11 10:00:22.903	coming in? 

2017-03-11 10:00:22.904	I remember catching myself 

2017-03-11 10:00:26.902	sitting at a stop sign, and I 

2017-03-11 10:00:31.899	don't know how long I was there. 

2017-03-11 10:00:31.9	Playing this one fight over and 

2017-03-11 10:00:36.945	over again. 

2017-03-11 10:00:36.946	The way it should have gone. 

2017-03-11 10:00:42.948	You always get the talk. 

2017-03-11 10:00:47.96	Your temper is under control and 

2017-03-11 10:00:51.95	you are given a form to fill out

2017-03-11 10:00:56.973	. 

2017-03-11 10:00:56.974	And everybody lies on that form. 

2017-03-11 10:00:57.973	They ask what did you see, and 

2017-03-11 10:00:59.977	you give them the bare minimum. 

2017-03-11 10:01:01.973	They ask, did it affect you? 

2017-03-11 10:01:01.974	Absolutely not. 

2017-03-11 10:01:03.976	If I didn't say anything it 

2017-03-11 10:01:06.975	would be the end of my career. 

2017-03-11 10:01:08.981	If I had seen a therapist I 

2017-03-11 10:01:13.976	would not be here but right now. 

2017-03-11 10:01:15.977	I never raised a hand to my

2017-03-11 10:01:22.013	wife, never raise my voice. 

2017-03-11 10:01:24.014	I took care of myself. 

2017-03-11 10:01:27.016	I'm very disciplined about my 

2017-03-11 10:01:30.014	vitamin A. 

2017-03-11 10:01:32.017	Ambien. 

2017-03-11 10:01:34.017	Time for bed I take my Ambien 

2017-03-11 10:01:38.017	and police of to sleep. 

2017-03-11 10:01:38.018	, I would be at a table with all 

2017-03-11 10:01:40.017	guys at a bar. 

2017-03-11 10:01:42.019	Marines. 

2017-03-11 10:01:44.018	Thank you for your service, let 

2017-03-11 10:01:48.151	me buy you a shot, but not me. 

2017-03-11 10:01:50.149	Because people don't stop to 

2017-03-11 10:01:51.146	think I could be a Marine two. 

2017-03-11 10:01:53.147	I don't know of that's because I 

2017-03-11 10:01:55.147	look like a girl when I'm out. 

2017-03-11 10:01:55.148	It cracked me up because it's 

2017-03-11 10:01:59.15	not logical to think a girl 

2017-03-11 10:02:00.156	couldn't be a Marine as well. 

2017-03-11 10:02:00.157	I may cap them. 

2017-03-11 10:02:03.197	My first tour I was a convoy 

2017-03-11 10:02:05.237	commander. 

2017-03-11 10:02:05.238	I was responsible for every life 

2017-03-11 10:02:07.233	in my platoon -- in my company. 

2017-03-11 10:02:12.311	I found myself in combat 

2017-03-11 10:02:12.312	situations. 

2017-03-11 10:02:12.312	You know what the first -- the 

2017-03-11 10:02:18.459	first time somebody didn't buy 

2017-03-11 10:02:18.46	me a shot -- I said, excuse me, 

2017-03-11 10:02:23.476	you missed one. 

2017-03-11 10:02:24.477	>> one of the first things I saw 

2017-03-11 10:02:27.477	them I came back was the Shakira

2017-03-11 10:02:30.478	video. 

2017-03-11 10:02:30.479	I fell in love with her. 

2017-03-11 10:02:30.48	That video is so hot. 

2017-03-11 10:02:33.479	She's just really hot. 

2017-03-11 10:02:38.479	We hadn't been around too many 

2017-03-11 10:02:38.48	girls. 

2017-03-11 10:02:38.481	It was nice. 

2017-03-11 10:02:40.478	Here watch it. 

2017-03-11 10:02:43.524	And I was like, oh man. 

2017-03-11 10:02:48.519	It was no -- it was so nice to 

2017-03-11 10:02:53.529	see an American girl. 

2017-03-11 10:02:53.53	She's not American. 

2017-03-11 10:02:56.523	It was nice to see a white girl. 

2017-03-11 10:03:01.647	I mean --  

2017-03-11 10:03:05.701	Look, I was just glad to be 

2017-03-11 10:03:05.702	home. 

2017-03-11 10:03:05.703	>> when John got back from Iraq 

2017-03-11 10:03:09.704	he was really happy. 

2017-03-11 10:03:09.705	He was the happiest I had ever 

2017-03-11 10:03:12.699	seen him. 

2017-03-11 10:03:12.7	He was calling me. 

2017-03-11 10:03:17.77	I commented on it and said 

2017-03-11 10:03:22.774	you're the happiest I've ever 

2017-03-11 10:03:22.774	seen. 

2017-03-11 10:03:22.775	He was like, I'm so fucking

2017-03-11 10:03:28.769	happy am not dead. 

2017-03-11 10:03:28.77	And I'm in a place in life where 

2017-03-11 10:03:30.769	being me makes me good at my 

2017-03-11 10:03:33.774	job. 

2017-03-11 10:03:33.775	And that lasted for a while. 

2017-03-11 10:03:35.854	>> I had found my girlfriend had 

2017-03-11 10:03:40.901	been cheating on me the whole 

2017-03-11 10:03:40.902	time. 

2017-03-11 10:03:40.903	A buddy of mine, his wife spent 

2017-03-11 10:03:44.98	all of his combat -- that should 

2017-03-11 10:03:50.062	happens all the time. 

2017-03-11 10:03:50.063	>> he was jumpy and weird and 

2017-03-11 10:04:00.161	dark. 

2017-03-11 10:04:01.202	When he is on his motorcycle he 

2017-03-11 10:04:05.275	is completely happy. 

2017-03-11 10:04:05.276	He is still very sweet and the 

2017-03-11 10:04:09.316	same guy. 

2017-03-11 10:04:09.317	He is just a little more on 

2017-03-11 10:04:13.403	edge. 

2017-03-11 10:04:13.404	>> I haven't even bought dress 

2017-03-11 10:04:20.524	blues yet. 

2017-03-11 10:04:20.525	I thought about getting a Purple 

2017-03-11 10:04:24.609	Heart license plate. 

2017-03-11 10:04:24.61	I might. 

2017-03-11 10:04:27.701	There's an announcement. 

2017-03-11 10:04:30.772	There's a certificate. 

2017-03-11 10:04:34.856	Nobody wants to get it. 

2017-03-11 10:04:37.903	Getting it, the whole thing is 

2017-03-11 10:04:43.95	not something you feel good 

2017-03-11 10:04:43.951	about. 

2017-03-11 10:04:43.952	How do they deprogram you from 

2017-03-11 10:04:50.955	being all tensed out? 

2017-03-11 10:04:50.956	Is that what you are asking me? 

2017-03-11 10:04:55.022	You can't deprogram that. 

2017-03-11 10:05:03.205	They say this ship. 

2017-03-11 10:05:08.273	They tell us when you go home, 

2017-03-11 10:05:13.316	don't get mad at your wife and 

2017-03-11 10:05:13.317	kids and beat them because you 

2017-03-11 10:05:15.323	are irritated. 

2017-03-11 10:05:19.357	>> One I first got home, the 

2017-03-11 10:05:20.357	skateboarders, those stupid 

2017-03-11 10:05:24.359	little shit heads wearing girls 

2017-03-11 10:05:27.357	 pants. 

2017-03-11 10:05:31.357	Have you seen these kids with 

2017-03-11 10:05:32.36	these fucking pants? they were 

2017-03-11 10:05:37.357	13 and 14 in school -- and 14, 

2017-03-11 10:05:41.357	skateboarding in a development 

2017-03-11 10:05:44.402	that was just built. 

2017-03-11 10:05:44.403	I asked them, what are you 

2017-03-11 10:05:49.404	doing? 

2017-03-11 10:05:49.405	They said, I heard this is a 

2017-03-11 10:05:52.409	good place to escape. 

2017-03-11 10:05:53.453	Don't have road wage -- Road 

2017-03-11 10:05:59.457	rage, don't go fast on your 

2017-03-11 10:05:59.458	motorcycle. 

2017-03-11 10:05:59.459	That is what they say. 

2017-03-11 10:06:01.454	Don't -- don't, I don't know, 

2017-03-11 10:06:09.454	some kind of crazy shit. 

2017-03-11 10:06:10.486	Do you live here? 

2017-03-11 10:06:14.534	No. 

2017-03-11 10:06:14.535	What are you doing? 

2017-03-11 10:06:15.524	We are here skating we heard it 

2017-03-11 10:06:20.534	was a good place. 

2017-03-11 10:06:20.535	So you are fucking up my 

2017-03-11 10:06:27.528	brand-new sidewalk? 

2017-03-11 10:06:27.529	So get the fuck out. 

2017-03-11 10:06:32.537	Dude, you don't have to swear at 

2017-03-11 10:06:35.528	us. 

2017-03-11 10:06:35.529	A punk kid. 

2017-03-11 10:06:36.526	>> Don't go trick excessively 

2017-03-11 10:06:41.536	for days and days on end. 

2017-03-11 10:06:41.537	Then they say if you need help 

2017-03-11 10:06:48.533	and you know it, then go ahead 

2017-03-11 10:06:50.534	and talk to someone. 

2017-03-11 10:06:51.528	That's all they do. 

2017-03-11 10:06:53.544	There is not really a lot they 

2017-03-11 10:06:57.528	can do. 

2017-03-11 10:06:57.529	>> I'm saying if I -- if you do 

2017-03-11 10:07:06.612	come back on me see that over 

2017-03-11 10:07:07.611	there? I'm going to stop your 

2017-03-11 10:07:07.612	heart. 

2017-03-11 10:07:07.613	>> If they really sucked up and 

2017-03-11 10:07:12.615	they know it, they will get you 

2017-03-11 10:07:14.614	a counselor. 

2017-03-11 10:07:14.615	They will keep an eye on you. 

2017-03-11 10:07:16.612	It's not like a switch you can 

2017-03-11 10:07:19.613	turn just by talking to 

2017-03-11 10:07:25.613	somebody. 

2017-03-11 10:07:25.614	>> I went from zero to homicidal 

2017-03-11 10:07:29.613	in three seconds. 

2017-03-11 10:07:29.614	>> Which is why it takes time. 

2017-03-11 10:07:31.655	Which is what everyone responds 

2017-03-11 10:07:34.655	to it. 

2017-03-11 10:07:37.655	Either similar or different

2017-03-11 10:07:40.705	depending on certain things. 

2017-03-11 10:07:40.706	>> What can you actually do to 

2017-03-11 10:07:43.703	support the troops? quit 

2017-03-11 10:07:45.703	pitching. 

2017-03-11 10:07:47.71	The flag waving happens for 

2017-03-11 10:07:52.705	about a month and then nothing. 

2017-03-11 10:07:52.706	If I don't get my three dollars 

2017-03-11 10:07:56.754	Starbucks and get to work on 

2017-03-11 10:07:56.755	time I'm going to pitch and moan 

2017-03-11 10:07:59.754	and cry. 

2017-03-11 10:08:01.754	Everybody is self -- is so

2017-03-11 10:08:06.764	fucking spoiled. 

2017-03-11 10:08:09.755	I think the majority of 

2017-03-11 10:08:09.756	Americans  are pussies. 

2017-03-11 10:08:15.783	Do I even care

2017-03-11 10:08:22.781	 about who is dancing with the 

2017-03-11 10:08:26.824	stars? 

2017-03-11 10:08:26.825	What did you have for dinner 

2017-03-11 10:08:29.823	yesterday? 

2017-03-11 10:08:29.824	>> a big Mac. 

2017-03-11 10:08:32.824	Then go fuck yourself. 

2017-03-11 10:08:38.823	When a kid is grinding on the 

2017-03-11 10:08:42.831	sidewalk, it is easier to launch 

2017-03-11 10:08:45.826	them over a cliff. 

2017-03-11 10:08:46.824	He is worthless to that point at 

2017-03-11 10:08:49.825	me. 

2017-03-11 10:08:49.827	When you pull up Marines -- he 

2017-03-11 10:08:52.824	is only a few years older than 

2017-03-11 10:08:52.825	that douche with a skateboard. 

2017-03-11 10:08:58.866	It's kind of makes you not give 

2017-03-11 10:08:59.871	a fuck about hurting that

2017-03-11 10:09:04.868	retards feelings. 

2017-03-11 10:09:06.865	>> I go back, shit's going to be 

2017-03-11 10:09:11.867	different. 

2017-03-11 10:09:11.868	I'm not going to be doing should 

2017-03-11 10:09:14.873	the same way -- doing shit the 

2017-03-11 10:09:20.907	same way I did before. 

2017-03-11 10:09:21.908	There are all these rules. 

2017-03-11 10:09:21.909	If I go back over there, I'm 

2017-03-11 10:09:26.909	going to kill somebody. 

2017-03-11 10:09:26.91	I'm going to get the job done. 

2017-03-11 10:09:28.913	Liz doesn't like it when I say 

2017-03-11 10:09:32.911	stuff like that. 

2017-03-11 10:09:32.912	And going fast on my motorcycle, 

2017-03-11 10:09:37.909	she says I'm living like I'm 

2017-03-11 10:09:37.91	already dead. 

2017-03-11 10:09:37.911	I would feel much better. 

2017-03-11 10:09:47.92	Seriously if I had a gun I would 

2017-03-11 10:09:48.911	feel really better. 

2017-03-11 10:09:48.912	I would be able to protect 

2017-03-11 10:09:52.924	myself if something happened. 

2017-03-11 10:09:52.924	>> everything you people get 

2017-03-11 10:09:57.911	excited about is fucking 

2017-03-11 10:10:00.914	pointless. 

2017-03-11 10:10:00.915	Recycling? 

2017-03-11 10:10:04.959	Go anywhere else on earth and 

2017-03-11 10:10:07.957	there are so much ship turning 

2017-03-11 10:10:10.959	in the streets. 

2017-03-11 10:10:10.96	So much crab everywhere. 

2017-03-11 10:10:10.961	The smoke it generates, I'm so 

2017-03-11 10:10:19.006	glad I recycled that milk 

2017-03-11 10:10:21.007	bottle. 

2017-03-11 10:10:21.008	It's pointless. 

2017-03-11 10:10:25.013	If you are so bored with 

2017-03-11 10:10:26.008	yourself that you can get 

2017-03-11 10:10:28.014	excited about recycling, then 

2017-03-11 10:10:29.01	you need to get a hobby. 

2017-03-11 10:10:29.011	If one person recycling some 

2017-03-11 10:10:33.01	soda cans makes about as much 

2017-03-11 10:10:36.037	sense as a transverse >> trying 

2017-03-11 10:10:42.077	to shoot on a napkin -- as a 

2017-03-11 10:10:44.078	Koran a source -- as a t

2017-03-11 10:10:50.078	yrannasaurus rex taking a shit 

2017-03-11 10:10:53.08	on a napkin. 

2017-03-11 10:10:54.077	We should turn everything the 

2017-03-11 10:11:04.123	class and rebuild it in our own 

2017-03-11 10:11:04.124	fashion. 

2017-03-11 10:11:04.125	I'm glad I'm not being shot at, 

2017-03-11 10:11:09.162	but at the same time I'm upset I 

2017-03-11 10:11:10.162	don't have anyone to shoot. 

2017-03-11 10:11:10.163	I do wish I had a relationship, 

2017-03-11 10:11:14.161	a girlfriend. 

2017-03-11 10:11:14.162	But how do we married these two 

2017-03-11 10:11:19.171	extremes echo back in the day 

2017-03-11 10:11:23.164	all women wanted to be were it 

2017-03-11 10:11:26.165	clad eater. 

2017-03-11 10:11:26.166	Try taking a gladiator to 

2017-03-11 10:11:28.165	dinner. 

2017-03-11 10:11:28.166	You are trading a certain way to 

2017-03-11 10:11:35.216	do certain things and then 

2017-03-11 10:11:35.217	you're supposed to turn that off

2017-03-11 10:11:38.208	? 

2017-03-11 10:11:38.209	>> have you seen their tattoos? 

2017-03-11 10:11:43.22	This is a morning band. 

2017-03-11 10:11:46.261	This is Charlie's. 

2017-03-11 10:11:50.261	This is on one arm, and this is 

2017-03-11 10:11:56.261	on the other. 

2017-03-11 10:11:56.262	It's as brothers in arms, never 

2017-03-11 10:12:00.29	forgotten. 

2017-03-11 10:12:00.291	A few weeks ago Charlie had a 

2017-03-11 10:12:03.333	flashback. 

2017-03-11 10:12:03.334	It started with him not feeling 

2017-03-11 10:12:08.332	right. 

2017-03-11 10:12:08.333	He said he wasn't feeling like 

2017-03-11 10:12:08.334	himself. 

2017-03-11 10:12:08.335	He was angry and he couldn't 

2017-03-11 10:12:13.332	control his emotions. 

2017-03-11 10:12:14.331	He did go to somebody in his 

2017-03-11 10:12:14.331	command. 

2017-03-11 10:12:14.332	He was like, suck it up, you are 

2017-03-11 10:12:19.333	a Marine. 

2017-03-11 10:12:19.334	He was out in the field, he was 

2017-03-11 10:12:28.33	incapacitated. 

2017-03-11 10:12:28.331	They took him out and took him 

2017-03-11 10:12:31.334	to medical. 

2017-03-11 10:12:31.335	Whoever told him to suck it up, 

2017-03-11 10:12:36.344	it makes me furious. 

2017-03-11 10:12:36.345	All this tough guy, PTSD is for 

2017-03-11 10:12:41.333	the seas -- is for pussies. 

2017-03-11 10:12:46.332	Charlie wouldn't even go to the 

2017-03-11 10:12:50.375	doctor after his eye was all 

2017-03-11 10:12:54.378	fucked up. 

2017-03-11 10:12:54.379	He was comparing what happened 

2017-03-11 10:12:58.379	to him to it happened to his 

2017-03-11 10:12:58.38	family and friends and he fell 

2017-03-11 10:13:01.374	like a wuss. 

2017-03-11 10:13:04.375	The third week Charlie is taken 

2017-03-11 10:13:08.378	on the field, John fell apart. 

2017-03-11 10:13:11.378	He said he had been drinking by 

2017-03-11 10:13:13.379	himself. 

2017-03-11 10:13:13.38	And he drinks. 

2017-03-11 10:13:13.381	He drinks a lot. 

2017-03-11 10:13:15.382	He realized how exposed he was 

2017-03-11 10:13:19.416	out on his balcony, all the 

2017-03-11 10:13:20.418	positions a sniper could be. 

2017-03-11 10:13:20.419	He is sitting on his balcony in 

2017-03-11 10:13:25.427	San Diego California and he's 

2017-03-11 10:13:26.417	looking around for snipers. 

2017-03-11 10:13:26.419	And he became convinced somebody 

2017-03-11 10:13:29.419	was going to come into his count 

2017-03-11 10:13:30.424	-- his house and kill him. 

2017-03-11 10:13:33.419	He got a shotgun and pointed it 

2017-03-11 10:13:37.42	at the door. 

2017-03-11 10:13:37.421	Thank God his room he didn't 

2017-03-11 10:13:38.417	come home. 

2017-03-11 10:13:38.418	-- a roommate didn't come home. 

2017-03-11 10:13:44.517	He felt the only way to stop it 

2017-03-11 10:13:44.518	was to kill himself. 

2017-03-11 10:13:44.519	John texted Charlie. 

2017-03-11 10:13:49.512	When Charlie got there, John was 

2017-03-11 10:13:54.542	drunk and he had all of his guns 

2017-03-11 10:13:56.546	out and talked about how he is 

2017-03-11 10:13:56.547	going to blow his head off. 

2017-03-11 10:13:56.548	Charlie stayed with him until 

2017-03-11 10:14:00.546	John fell asleep at when I first 

2017-03-11 10:14:09.544	saw John he was a zombie. 

2017-03-11 10:14:13.63	He said, thank you. 

2017-03-11 10:14:17.63	There's no way I can be his 

2017-03-11 10:14:23.669	psychiatrist, and I can't 

2017-03-11 10:14:23.67	patronize him or tell them that 

2017-03-11 10:14:26.711	or tell him everything is fine. 

2017-03-11 10:14:26.712	That week and I had -- that we 

2017-03-11 10:14:31.722	can host more terrified for his 

2017-03-11 10:14:31.723	life than any time he was 

2017-03-11 10:14:34.763	deployed. 

2017-03-11 10:14:34.764	If they get hurt over there, at 

2017-03-11 10:14:41.883	least it's the bad guys fault. 

2017-03-11 10:14:41.884	If someday happens here, whose 

2017-03-11 10:14:44.881	fault is that? 

2017-03-11 10:14:46.878	I don't know what to do. 

2017-03-11 10:14:48.88	What am I supposed to do? 

2017-03-11 10:14:51.886	>> that exit is from two thirds 

2017-03-11 10:14:56.878	into the play. 

2017-03-11 10:14:56.879	It ends with Charlie and John in 

2017-03-11 10:14:59.88	recovery. 

2017-03-11 10:15:00.881	The ending is left rather

2017-03-11 10:15:06.881	ambiguous without making any big 

2017-03-11 10:15:06.881	statements of war or conclusions 

2017-03-11 10:15:08.881	, everybody is getting ready for 

2017-03-11 10:15:10.881	the next one. 

2017-03-11 10:15:11.879	When KJ interviewed the CO in 

2017-03-11 10:15:19.936	2009, Colonel Bryan McCoy, he 

2017-03-11 10:15:25.922	was the commander who organized 

2017-03-11 10:15:28.927	the point down at the Saddam 

2017-03-11 10:15:31.922	Hussein statue. 

2017-03-11 10:15:31.922	Colonel McCoy was interviewed on 

2017-03-11 10:15:36.923	CNN soon after and said, we are 

2017-03-11 10:15:36.924	celebrating too soon. 

2017-03-11 10:15:38.923	If we are in this war for 50 

2017-03-11 10:15:48.014	years, someone has to get ready 

2017-03-11 10:15:48.015	for the next one. 

2017-03-11 10:15:49.018	Two River theater produced the 

2017-03-11 10:15:56.134	world premiere. 

2017-03-11 10:15:56.135	And then it went to New York for 

2017-03-11 10:15:58.133	an off Broadway run at the 

2017-03-11 10:16:03.13	Baltimore center stage. 

2017-03-11 10:16:03.131	It continued to have life at 

2017-03-11 10:16:07.135	theaters across the country. 

2017-03-11 10:16:07.136	During the New York run, William 

2017-03-11 10:16:13.134	Nash, a captain at the Navy and 

2017-03-11 10:16:14.134	a psychiatrist running Marine 

2017-03-11 10:16:14.135	Corps and Navy operations stress 

2017-03-11 10:16:19.218	control, invited the company. 

2017-03-11 10:16:24.216	After the presentation the first 

2017-03-11 10:16:24.216	person to speak was Colonel 

2017-03-11 10:16:30.216	Jones, who said we could use 

2017-03-11 10:16:30.217	this play to talk about the 

2017-03-11 10:16:34.219	issues we are facing. 

2017-03-11 10:16:35.218	That led to several tours. 

2017-03-11 10:16:35.219	Alpha, which would go into 

2017-03-11 10:16:40.264	theaters, a bravo, which 

2017-03-11 10:16:47.313	involved two computers ready to 

2017-03-11 10:16:47.314	plug in and play and could be 

2017-03-11 10:16:48.315	done in any room that had 

2017-03-11 10:16:50.315	PowerPoint capability and took 

2017-03-11 10:16:52.315	half an hour, and a Charlie, 

2017-03-11 10:16:57.318	which was simply five factors, a 

2017-03-11 10:16:57.318	narrator, which we took to bases 

2017-03-11 10:17:04.345	and V.A. hospitals. 

2017-03-11 10:17:04.345	American workers worked directly 

2017-03-11 10:17:08.345	with command and the play was 

2017-03-11 10:17:08.346	required attendance for troops. 

2017-03-11 10:17:13.426	They didn't know they were 

2017-03-11 10:17:13.427	seeing a play, all they knew is 

2017-03-11 10:17:15.426	they were being ordered to 

2017-03-11 10:17:19.426	attend post-appointment 

2017-03-11 10:17:19.427	resiliency training. 

2017-03-11 10:17:19.427	Americans have done 50 

2017-03-11 10:17:22.428	performances on bases and 

2017-03-11 10:17:25.432	hospitals, including Campell 10

2017-03-11 10:17:29.425	-- Camp Pendleton. 

2017-03-11 10:17:29.426	When base first presentation 

2017-03-11 10:17:31.426	began -- but an important lesson 

2017-03-11 10:17:34.469	was learned the hard way. 

2017-03-11 10:17:36.516	Many of the drill instructors 

2017-03-11 10:17:39.515	had served in multiple combat 

2017-03-11 10:17:43.515	deployments, and all GIs were 

2017-03-11 10:17:44.518	ordered to attend ReEntry 

2017-03-11 10:17:44.518	performance. 

2017-03-11 10:17:44.519	It was later reported that a DI

2017-03-11 10:17:53.567	was triggered by the material 

2017-03-11 10:17:54.566	and wreaked havoc on his troops. 

2017-03-11 10:17:54.567	D eyes -- DI's usually wreak 

2017-03-11 10:18:00.564	havoc, but this was upset enough 

2017-03-11 10:18:02.568	to be noted. 

2017-03-11 10:18:02.569	KJ introduces the play, all he 

2017-03-11 10:18:11.637	says we are not suggesting with 

2017-03-11 10:18:13.637	this material that this is 

2017-03-11 10:18:15.636	everyone's experience, this is 

2017-03-11 10:18:16.64	just reflective of those we 

2017-03-11 10:18:16.641	interviewed. 

2017-03-11 10:18:16.642	He lets them know chaplains and 

2017-03-11 10:18:21.638	mental health workers are 

2017-03-11 10:18:21.638	standing by and if they need to 

2017-03-11 10:18:25.642	they are welcome to step out at 

2017-03-11 10:18:25.642	any time and chat with someone. 

2017-03-11 10:18:25.643	After the presentation a 

2017-03-11 10:18:31.64	commanding officer gets up and 

2017-03-11 10:18:32.638	shares their personal response 

2017-03-11 10:18:34.639	to lead by example. 

2017-03-11 10:18:34.64	That is followed by a Townhall 

2017-03-11 10:18:38.638	type discussion where KJ asks, 

2017-03-11 10:18:40.645	based on your experiences, what 

2017-03-11 10:18:41.636	are characters you identified 

2017-03-11 10:18:42.639	with? 

2017-03-11 10:18:42.64	And if I were to write a ReEntry 

2017-03-11 10:18:47.64	part two, what else should go

2017-03-11 10:18:49.639	in? 

2017-03-11 10:18:49.64	Last, mental health meets the 

2017-03-11 10:18:57.639	group and breakout sessions. 

2017-03-11 10:18:58.641	KJ also let the audience is no 

2017-03-11 10:19:00.679	that she and the actress will be 

2017-03-11 10:19:00.68	around after if they want to 

2017-03-11 10:19:04.679	talk to them in private. 

2017-03-11 10:19:04.68	This usually leads to many 

2017-03-11 10:19:08.68	private and intimate personal 

2017-03-11 10:19:08.681	chats. 

2017-03-11 10:19:08.682	KJ was commissioned to adapt the 

2017-03-11 10:19:15.684	play to Army experiences. 

2017-03-11 10:19:15.685	Two years ago the Navy 

2017-03-11 10:19:20.681	commissioned KJ to develop an 

2017-03-11 10:19:20.682	adaptation for sailors. 

2017-03-11 10:19:22.681	Here is an excerpt from the Navy 

2017-03-11 10:19:28.723	script, which has been performed 

2017-03-11 10:19:28.724	at Navy bases in California and 

2017-03-11 10:19:28.724	Virginia. 

2017-03-11 10:19:28.725	>> When someone says, thank you 

2017-03-11 10:19:35.723	for your service, I say, thank 

2017-03-11 10:19:35.724	you and move on. 

2017-03-11 10:19:37.723	The way we respond is personal. 

2017-03-11 10:19:41.724	Everybody is different. 

2017-03-11 10:19:41.725	The way I look at it, I don't 

2017-03-11 10:19:45.724	know who it is. 

2017-03-11 10:19:45.725	They may be a combat veteran 

2017-03-11 10:19:48.725	themselves. 

2017-03-11 10:19:50.725	All I know is they are thankful. 

2017-03-11 10:19:52.77	>> My first appointment -- two 

2017-03-11 10:19:57.818	things -- strike that, three 

2017-03-11 10:20:02.817	things. 

2017-03-11 10:20:02.818	As a female in a predominantly 

2017-03-11 10:20:05.819	male career field you have to 

2017-03-11 10:20:06.818	overcome a lot of stigma. 

2017-03-11 10:20:06.819	They think you are there for a 

2017-03-11 10:20:09.826	Friday night date or to get 

2017-03-11 10:20:10.818	married, but you're lazy and 

2017-03-11 10:20:11.819	need to be caught up. 

2017-03-11 10:20:11.82	One time I'm carrying this very 

2017-03-11 10:20:14.853	heavy panel stuff with another 

2017-03-11 10:20:19.892	person. 

2017-03-11 10:20:19.893	Everybody is expecting me to 

2017-03-11 10:20:19.893	drop it. 

2017-03-11 10:20:19.894	But it was the guy. 

2017-03-11 10:20:24.902	He dropped his end. 

2017-03-11 10:20:25.896	He got ribbed big time. 

2017-03-11 10:20:25.897	I had bruises up and down the 

2017-03-11 10:20:29.892	back my legs, but it was worth 

2017-03-11 10:20:29.893	it. 

2017-03-11 10:20:29.894	Second thing about my first 

2017-03-11 10:20:35.892	appointment, I grew up in a tiny 

2017-03-11 10:20:35.893	town in Minnesota and I 

2017-03-11 10:20:38.897	basically have never been 

2017-03-11 10:20:40.894	anywhere. 

2017-03-11 10:20:40.895	So you are into this culture you 

2017-03-11 10:20:41.891	barely know. 

2017-03-11 10:20:41.892	Coming back from wind claimant 

2017-03-11 10:20:45.934	when you are single, you don't 

2017-03-11 10:20:47.935	have a husband or wife, and my 

2017-03-11 10:20:50.933	family was military so they 

2017-03-11 10:20:50.934	couldn't understand what I was 

2017-03-11 10:20:50.935	doing. 

2017-03-11 10:20:50.936	It is pretty isolating. 

2017-03-11 10:20:53.935	One guy in my unit was Africa -- 

2017-03-11 10:21:00.936	was from Africa. 

2017-03-11 10:21:00.937	Luckily we had someone in there 

2017-03-11 10:21:06.937	make it sure he wasn't too 

2017-03-11 10:21:06.938	isolated. 

2017-03-11 10:21:06.939	>> you have to reintegrate 

2017-03-11 10:21:10.936	yourself into the world. 

2017-03-11 10:21:12.978	Not everything is painted gray, 

2017-03-11 10:21:16.978	not everyone wears the same 

2017-03-11 10:21:16.979	clothes. 

2017-03-11 10:21:16.98	There are colors like red,, and 

2017-03-11 10:21:21.975	believeth test. 

2017-03-11 10:21:21.976	You have to readjust you find to 

2017-03-11 10:21:25.979	being in the real world. 

2017-03-11 10:21:25.98	Don't go to Bush Gardens or 

2017-03-11 10:21:30.032	Disney World the day after you 

2017-03-11 10:21:35.023	get back. 

2017-03-11 10:21:35.024	You will have an awful time. 

2017-03-11 10:21:35.025	My son, I didn't know him until 

2017-03-11 10:21:41.074	I got back. 

2017-03-11 10:21:41.075	She was born in February and I 

2017-03-11 10:21:48.072	was straight out see. 

2017-03-11 10:21:48.073	-- he was born in February and I 

2017-03-11 10:21:53.071	was straight out to sea. 

2017-03-11 10:21:53.072	Military spouses have to be 

2017-03-11 10:22:01.122	independent. 

2017-03-11 10:22:01.123	She pretty much runs the whole 

2017-03-11 10:22:02.12	house, pays the bills, handles 

2017-03-11 10:22:04.119	the money. 

2017-03-11 10:22:04.12	She goes tony, this is how much 

2017-03-11 10:22:08.193	we can spend this month. 

2017-03-11 10:22:08.194	I go, sounds good. 

2017-03-11 10:22:10.186	That's pretty much it. 

2017-03-11 10:22:12.187	>> The first appointment, my 

2017-03-11 10:22:16.186	wife was an hour late when I was 

2017-03-11 10:22:19.189	getting home, and I didn't know 

2017-03-11 10:22:23.189	where I lived. 

2017-03-11 10:22:23.19	At least I know I can sleep on 

2017-03-11 10:22:27.189	the ship. 

2017-03-11 10:22:27.19	If she doesn't come get me, 

2017-03-11 10:22:31.234	there is no going home. 

2017-03-11 10:22:31.235	We were in Japan, we didn't have 

2017-03-11 10:22:35.272	a place to live. 

2017-03-11 10:22:35.273	In the meantime she buys a car, 

2017-03-11 10:22:42.273	she gets an apartment in Japan, 

2017-03-11 10:22:45.272	she purchases $6,000 worth of 

2017-03-11 10:22:45.273	furniture. 

2017-03-11 10:22:45.274	I say whose furniture is that? 

2017-03-11 10:22:49.273	That's ours. 

2017-03-11 10:22:49.274	When I was on how pens, we were 

2017-03-11 10:22:59.323	in Japan for 25 months. 

2017-03-11 10:22:59.324	On the enterprise owes away for 

2017-03-11 10:23:02.321	27 months. 

2017-03-11 10:23:02.322	That doesn't include all the 

2017-03-11 10:23:04.324	field exercises and first year

2017-03-11 10:23:10.382	of military -- she was in one 

2017-03-11 10:23:12.38	place and I was another. 

2017-03-11 10:23:12.381	I saw her maybe four weeks. 

2017-03-11 10:23:21.371	I chuckle at the people in 

2017-03-11 10:23:21.372	Hollywood who are saying it's 

2017-03-11 10:23:24.372	irreconcilable differences, he 

2017-03-11 10:23:26.374	lives in New York and I live in 

2017-03-11 10:23:26.374	 L.A.

2017-03-11 10:23:34.399	You're making millions, flight 

2017-03-11 10:23:34.4	cost the country for a weekend. 

2017-03-11 10:23:34.401	I don't get that luxury. 

2017-03-11 10:23:38.378	I would love to tell you I have 

2017-03-11 10:23:41.372	done it all right. 

2017-03-11 10:23:41.373	Then I would be lying and have 

2017-03-11 10:23:46.441	to go to confession. 

2017-03-11 10:23:46.441	I write letters. 

2017-03-11 10:23:51.573	Break out a piece of paper, pen, 

2017-03-11 10:23:54.622	put it down. 

2017-03-11 10:23:58.65	Last month was an eight-month 

2017-03-11 10:23:59.653	deployment. 

2017-03-11 10:23:59.654	I took a stack of cards with me. 

2017-03-11 10:24:01.694	Her birthday is in September. 

2017-03-11 10:24:06.823	I knew how long it would take 

2017-03-11 10:24:11.941	for the mail to get there, so I 

2017-03-11 10:24:12.946	would have to back up three 

2017-03-11 10:24:12.947	weeks to a month. 

2017-03-11 10:24:12.948	I would number them, because you 

2017-03-11 10:24:18.029	never knew when a letter was 

2017-03-11 10:24:18.03	going to get there or where. 

2017-03-11 10:24:19.074	I tried to send care packages 

2017-03-11 10:24:23.127	home, whatever I could find. 

2017-03-11 10:24:24.152	An enterprise had. 

2017-03-11 10:24:31.374	My son Ward every day for the 

2017-03-11 10:24:32.409	first week. 

2017-03-11 10:24:32.41	-- war it every day for the 

2017-03-11 10:24:36.443	first week. 

2017-03-11 10:24:36.444	>> we were having wine and 

2017-03-11 10:24:38.453	talking about stories of our 

2017-03-11 10:24:42.447	husbands and their reactions 

2017-03-11 10:24:42.448	when they got home. 

2017-03-11 10:24:42.449	This was a close group net of 

2017-03-11 10:24:46.533	that a close-knit group of wives

2017-03-11 10:24:49.576	-- this was a close-knit group 

2017-03-11 10:24:49.577	of wives. 

2017-03-11 10:24:49.578	I said -- I have very cold feet 

2017-03-11 10:24:56.737	when I sleep, and my husband is 

2017-03-11 10:24:59.781	warm and soft. 

2017-03-11 10:24:59.782	So I went my toes in his calves. 

2017-03-11 10:25:04.831	And he freaked. 

2017-03-11 10:25:04.831	They will come up out of a dead 

2017-03-11 10:25:10.945	sleep and someone was touching 

2017-03-11 10:25:11.944	him. 

2017-03-11 10:25:11.945	He throws the covers up and 

2017-03-11 10:25:13.986	comes right up ready for action. 

2017-03-11 10:25:18.026	This group says that has 

2017-03-11 10:25:20.078	happened to me. 

2017-03-11 10:25:21.125	This one girl was relieved she 

2017-03-11 10:25:25.157	didn't -- she was the only 

2017-03-11 10:25:28.235	person -- was relieved she 

2017-03-11 10:25:31.278	wasn't the only person who had a 

2017-03-11 10:25:34.28	story like that. 

2017-03-11 10:25:34.281	Maybe some of it from fleet and 

2017-03-11 10:25:38.279	family and focus paid everybody 

2017-03-11 10:25:41.323	had a story to tell and 

2017-03-11 10:25:41.324	everybody else was like, yup. 

2017-03-11 10:25:44.378	The stories were so common but 

2017-03-11 10:25:48.377	the wives weren't telling them 

2017-03-11 10:25:48.378	among themselves because we 

2017-03-11 10:25:48.379	don't the other wives to think 

2017-03-11 10:25:53.402	he's creepy, even though we are 

2017-03-11 10:25:54.408	all in the same boat. 

2017-03-11 10:25:54.408	>> something most civilians 

2017-03-11 10:26:00.411	don't know is -- with combat it 

2017-03-11 10:26:05.406	can be intense from 20 minutes 

2017-03-11 10:26:07.405	to two hours. 

2017-03-11 10:26:09.407	On disaster relief it is pretty 

2017-03-11 10:26:13.416	stressful most of the time. 

2017-03-11 10:26:13.417	You are doing things from 

2017-03-11 10:26:17.407	picking up body parts, going to 

2017-03-11 10:26:21.406	a flood sewn and recovering 

2017-03-11 10:26:23.407	people's lives and personal 

2017-03-11 10:26:23.408	possessions. 

2017-03-11 10:26:23.409	Knowing that person's life is 

2017-03-11 10:26:26.405	never going to be the same. 

2017-03-11 10:26:26.406	Those images don't go away. 

2017-03-11 10:26:31.406	The first week back from a 

2017-03-11 10:26:33.407	disaster relief deployment, you 

2017-03-11 10:26:37.406	have to adjust to the fact you 

2017-03-11 10:26:40.407	are in a different world. 

2017-03-11 10:26:42.446	If gas prices go up $.10, things 

2017-03-11 10:26:44.447	are really bad. 

2017-03-11 10:26:44.447	Not a world where people can't 

2017-03-11 10:26:49.456	get water they don't walk 10 

2017-03-11 10:26:49.457	miles. 

2017-03-11 10:26:49.458	It's natural to feel guilty and 

2017-03-11 10:26:55.448	grateful at the same time. 

2017-03-11 10:26:56.449	Some of the more difficult ones 

2017-03-11 10:27:00.45	are when you go to a disaster 

2017-03-11 10:27:00.451	site and you are not allowed to 

2017-03-11 10:27:03.448	help as much as you can. 

2017-03-11 10:27:03.449	You have to understand when you 

2017-03-11 10:27:06.449	are young and your new, you are 

2017-03-11 10:27:10.491	not the one making the 

2017-03-11 10:27:10.492	decisions. 

2017-03-11 10:27:10.493	There are a lot of political 

2017-03-11 10:27:15.49	choices you can't control, 

2017-03-11 10:27:16.491	following orders and doing the 

2017-03-11 10:27:17.491	best you can. 

2017-03-11 10:27:17.492	A lot of expeditionary soldiers 

2017-03-11 10:27:22.492	were deployed helping other 

2017-03-11 10:27:22.493	people. 

2017-03-11 10:27:25.505	The absolute paradox and irony

2017-03-11 10:27:35.533	of being out there and handing 

2017-03-11 10:27:36.532	out food to people who are 

2017-03-11 10:27:38.533	having a hard time in life and 

2017-03-11 10:27:38.534	knowing that your family may be 

2017-03-11 10:27:40.63	in trouble, this is something 

2017-03-11 10:27:44.534	that takes a long time to get 

2017-03-11 10:27:44.535	over. 

2017-03-11 10:27:44.535	Coming home, it takes a while. 

2017-03-11 10:27:50.533	It is not uncommon to come back

2017-03-11 10:27:53.533	and feel like everybody has an 

2017-03-11 10:27:55.63	agenda. 

2017-03-11 10:27:55.631	When you see the worst of

2017-03-11 10:27:57.627	people, butchering women and 

2017-03-11 10:27:58.626	children because they don't 

2017-03-11 10:27:59.66	worship the right God or they 

2017-03-11 10:27:59.661	wanted to go to school,

2017-03-11 10:28:03.659	sometimes you project that onto 

2017-03-11 10:28:03.659	humanity itself. 

2017-03-11 10:28:03.66	That's part of it, learning to 

2017-03-11 10:28:10.661	trust society again after seeing 

2017-03-11 10:28:10.662	the worst for a while. 

2017-03-11 10:28:10.663	But you know, my wife, my kids, 

2017-03-11 10:28:17.704	I want them to understand some 

2017-03-11 10:28:18.748	of the things I've done, but I 

2017-03-11 10:28:21.746	don't want them to experience 

2017-03-11 10:28:21.747	the hardships. 

2017-03-11 10:28:23.742	But to step off and look onto a 

2017-03-11 10:28:28.745	cloudless night and you see the 

2017-03-11 10:28:28.745	stars. 

2017-03-11 10:28:31.743	You see the Milky Way, like 

2017-03-11 10:28:37.744	someone took a piece of gold and 

2017-03-11 10:28:42.745	stretched it from horizon to 

2017-03-11 10:28:42.745	horizon. 

2017-03-11 10:28:42.746	The fact I am out there and 

2017-03-11 10:28:47.746	looking at a dolphin in the eye, 

2017-03-11 10:28:54.785	I share that. 

2017-03-11 10:28:54.786	>> I've learned be happy with 

2017-03-11 10:28:59.795	much and learned to be happy 

2017-03-11 10:28:59.796	with little. 

2017-03-11 10:28:59.797	When you sit on a flight deck or 

2017-03-11 10:29:05.787	sitting at a desk, what you have 

2017-03-11 10:29:07.794	to realize your doing is what 

2017-03-11 10:29:08.786	you are doing. 

2017-03-11 10:29:08.786	You may not see the results but 

2017-03-11 10:29:12.788	you may. 

2017-03-11 10:29:13.791	I loathe being on a ship when -- 

2017-03-11 10:29:20.787	Ships are meant to be at sea. 

2017-03-11 10:29:20.788	You try to go home at night but 

2017-03-11 10:29:25.796	your hours are just as long. 

2017-03-11 10:29:28.789	It's never a pleasant time. 

2017-03-11 10:29:36.94	I think there is a difference 

2017-03-11 10:29:37.942	between happiness and joy. 

2017-03-11 10:29:37.943	Happiness, a lot of times people 

2017-03-11 10:29:40.944	base it on outside things. 

2017-03-11 10:29:41.941	I am happy I have a new car or 

2017-03-11 10:29:44.942	am going home. 

2017-03-11 10:29:45.945	That lasts until you get a 

2017-03-11 10:29:49.969	scratch on the new car or have a 

2017-03-11 10:29:49.97	fight with your spouse. 

2017-03-11 10:29:50.971	I think I am joyful, which comes 

2017-03-11 10:29:53.968	from the inside. 

2017-03-11 10:29:54.968	Because there have been times 

2017-03-11 10:29:56.969	when I'm not happy per se. 

2017-03-11 10:29:58.982	I am not happy when my mom fell 

2017-03-11 10:30:02.015	and broke her hip and I was on 

2017-03-11 10:30:05.016	deployment and could be there 

2017-03-11 10:30:06.01	with her when she passed. 

2017-03-11 10:30:08.011	I think a lot of people get 

2017-03-11 10:30:11.057	wrapped up in pursuing happiness 

2017-03-11 10:30:12.056	and they miss joy. 

2017-03-11 10:30:13.099	I may not be as happy as some 

2017-03-11 10:30:16.142	people, but I feel a greater 

2017-03-11 10:30:17.14	sense of joy than most milling I 

2017-03-11 10:30:20.141	have done something to make a 

2017-03-11 10:30:20.142	difference. 

2017-03-11 10:30:20.143	>> A big part of American 

2017-03-11 10:30:23.199	records focus when it comes back 

2017-03-11 10:30:26.191	to reentry is to pass the torch 

2017-03-11 10:30:29.191	to others doing similar work. 

2017-03-11 10:30:30.209	Work that serves as a flexion 

2017-03-11 10:30:33.217	for the community and represents 

2017-03-11 10:30:35.33	and as a bridge between 

2017-03-11 10:30:35.331	community and others. 

2017-03-11 10:30:36.312	K.J. has asked me to say a 

2017-03-11 10:30:39.312	little bit about my own work. 

2017-03-11 10:30:39.313	I would like to discuss two 

2017-03-11 10:30:42.343	challenges I believe we as an 

2017-03-11 10:30:46.344	artist community should consider 

2017-03-11 10:30:46.345	in our interactions with 

2017-03-11 10:30:48.343	military populations, whether 

2017-03-11 10:30:50.361	active duty or veterans. 

2017-03-11 10:30:51.344	The first challenge I mentioned 

2017-03-11 10:30:54.343	yesterday and read about is we 

2017-03-11 10:30:55.342	need to re-examine our 

2017-03-11 10:30:58.342	representations of military on 

2017-03-11 10:31:01.344	stage. 

2017-03-11 10:31:01.345	In the last decade, most of the 

2017-03-11 10:31:04.343	works about veterans have 

2017-03-11 10:31:05.345	focused on mental and 

2017-03-11 10:31:07.349	psychological issues after 

2017-03-11 10:31:09.344	returning from overseas 

2017-03-11 10:31:09.345	deployments. 

2017-03-11 10:31:10.343	I want to recognize when 

2017-03-11 10:31:14.392	veterans begin returning from 

2017-03-11 10:31:14.393	Afghanistan and Iraq, these 

2017-03-11 10:31:17.439	discussions were essential. 

2017-03-11 10:31:17.44	In light of the suicide rate, 

2017-03-11 10:31:20.442	they are still very important. 

2017-03-11 10:31:20.442	But as I mentioned in the 

2017-03-11 10:31:22.44	article, the oversaturation of 

2017-03-11 10:31:27.44	PTSD stories can have a negative 

2017-03-11 10:31:27.441	effect on the ability of 

2017-03-11 10:31:30.441	veterans to integrate into civil 

2017-03-11 10:31:30.441	society. 

2017-03-11 10:31:31.439	The homogenized image of a PTSD

2017-03-11 10:31:36.472	soldier is a signifier for any 

2017-03-11 10:31:36.473	soldier returning from 

2017-03-11 10:31:37.471	deployment. 

2017-03-11 10:31:37.472	This is real-world consequences. 

2017-03-11 10:31:39.469	Girl forulf war era 2 soldiers are less 

2017-03-11 10:31:52.554	likely to find employment than 

2017-03-11 10:31:52.555	their counterparts. 

2017-03-11 10:31:52.556	This is only because the Obama 

2017-03-11 10:31:57.571	administration placed a high 

2017-03-11 10:31:57.572	priority on hiring veterans in 

2017-03-11 10:31:58.569	public service positions. 

2017-03-11 10:31:59.555	The number one reason why most 

2017-03-11 10:32:01.553	private employers cite for 

2017-03-11 10:32:05.594	about hiring gulf war era 2 

2017-03-11 10:32:11.593	veterans is pts. 

2017-03-11 10:32:13.593	They are afraid they will have a 

2017-03-11 10:32:15.593	flashback in the workplace. 

2017-03-11 10:32:16.593	I am asking for us to reframe 

2017-03-11 10:32:20.594	the way we witness stories of 

2017-03-11 10:32:20.595	veterans on stage. 

2017-03-11 10:32:21.593	As a community of artists, we 

2017-03-11 10:32:23.593	need to stop thinking about 

2017-03-11 10:32:25.691	veterans as people we help and 

2017-03-11 10:32:29.689	begin to think about them as 

2017-03-11 10:32:29.69	people with so much to 

2017-03-11 10:32:30.711	contribute. 

2017-03-11 10:32:31.703	In some places, as yesterday's 

2017-03-11 10:32:35.689	discussion demonstrated, this is 

2017-03-11 10:32:37.69	already starting to happen. 

2017-03-11 10:32:37.691	This leads me to my second 

2017-03-11 10:32:40.69	challenge. 

2017-03-11 10:32:40.691	The gulf between communities and 

2017-03-11 10:32:43.718	military communities -- between 

2017-03-11 10:32:46.762	civilian and military 

2017-03-11 10:32:46.763	communities is in my view 

2017-03-11 10:32:48.804	unacceptably wide and continues 

2017-03-11 10:32:50.821	to grow. 

2017-03-11 10:32:51.805	Let me be very clear. 

2017-03-11 10:32:52.842	This condition is not only 

2017-03-11 10:32:56.858	harmful to reintegration efforts 

2017-03-11 10:32:57.891	but more broadly, it is 

2017-03-11 10:32:59.89	dangerous to our society. 

2017-03-11 10:32:59.891	This leaves our veterans 

2017-03-11 10:33:03.941	isolated and opens our military 

2017-03-11 10:33:03.941	up to misuse by those in power. 

2017-03-11 10:33:05.94	Toward that end, I've used my 

2017-03-11 10:33:09.939	position as a local coordinator

2017-03-11 10:33:14.94	in Austin to focus on opening 

2017-03-11 10:33:14.941	the conversation between 

2017-03-11 10:33:14.941	veterans in the Austin area and 

2017-03-11 10:33:17.988	the local civilian population. 

2017-03-11 10:33:19.011	The warrior chorus is a 

2017-03-11 10:33:25.053	national program out of New York

2017-03-11 10:33:28.052	and administered in New York, 

2017-03-11 10:33:30.141	Los Angeles, and Austin with 

2017-03-11 10:33:33.142	local chapters of veterans from 

2017-03-11 10:33:33.142	each area. 

2017-03-11 10:33:36.191	It uses classics as entry points 

2017-03-11 10:33:40.224	for discussing the lives of the 

2017-03-11 10:33:40.225	military. 

2017-03-11 10:33:40.226	Over 10 weeks, we created the 

2017-03-11 10:33:43.218	workshop of our own stories and 

2017-03-11 10:33:47.262	recently have begun engaging 

2017-03-11 10:33:48.26	local audiences with them. 

2017-03-11 10:33:49.26	As local coordinator, I was 

2017-03-11 10:33:53.315	given autonomy over the 

2017-03-11 10:33:53.316	direction of our group. 

2017-03-11 10:33:54.35	Instead of following the 

2017-03-11 10:33:57.344	well-worn path of discussing 

2017-03-11 10:33:57.344	trauma, I want to the 

2017-03-11 10:34:00.344	participants to have more 

2017-03-11 10:34:00.344	agency. 

2017-03-11 10:34:00.344	I wanted them to search for 

2017-03-11 10:34:03.343	moments in their military time

2017-03-11 10:34:07.343	that although seemingly mundane 

2017-03-11 10:34:07.344	made an impression on their 

2017-03-11 10:34:07.345	memories. 

2017-03-11 10:34:07.345	I wanted them to explore the 

2017-03-11 10:34:11.391	nature of military life. 

2017-03-11 10:34:11.392	For example, I wrote about my 

2017-03-11 10:34:14.393	last job as an active duty 

2017-03-11 10:34:17.392	soldier. 

2017-03-11 10:34:17.392	Another veteran wrote about her 

2017-03-11 10:34:20.44	experience as a female Arabic 

2017-03-11 10:34:22.441	translator. 

2017-03-11 10:34:22.441	Another wrote about one day when 

2017-03-11 10:34:26.447	he was part of a security detail 

2017-03-11 10:34:28.477	guarding the rebuilding of a 

2017-03-11 10:34:28.478	road in Iraq. 

2017-03-11 10:34:29.472	By doing this, where not only 

2017-03-11 10:34:31.517	disrupting the veteran --

2017-03-11 10:34:35.516	narrative but also challenging 

2017-03-11 10:34:38.593	the victim narrative that 

2017-03-11 10:34:42.597	currently inform most audiences. 

2017-03-11 10:34:43.596	I wanted to open it up to 

2017-03-11 10:34:47.641	questions in the remaining time 

2017-03-11 10:34:47.642	left. 

2017-03-11 10:34:47.643	[APPLAUSE] 

2017-03-11 10:34:47.644	>> 10 minutes? 

2017-03-11 10:34:58.638	10 minutes. 

2017-03-11 10:34:59.64	>> We have 10 minutes for 

2017-03-11 10:35:02.642	questions. 

2017-03-11 10:35:02.643	We can continue to discuss on 

2017-03-11 10:35:06.689	brakes and thinks. 

2017-03-11 10:35:07.69	I would like to open it up. 

2017-03-11 10:35:09.69	>> Please raise your hand and I 

2017-03-11 10:35:11.721	will bring you the mic. 

2017-03-11 10:35:12.72	>> First of all, I want to 

2017-03-11 10:35:21.771	applaud the performance and what 

2017-03-11 10:35:25.762	you portrayed. 

2017-03-11 10:35:26.801	I am Dr. Stefanelli. 

2017-03-11 10:35:33.804	We had the opportunity and 

2017-03-11 10:35:36.805	pleasure of having reentry at 

2017-03-11 10:35:38.844	the caregiver conference. 

2017-03-11 10:35:39.845	I have to tell you it falls into 

2017-03-11 10:35:42.843	what you were saying about 

2017-03-11 10:35:43.844	collaboration and really getting 

2017-03-11 10:35:46.844	out to the community and letting 

2017-03-11 10:35:48.842	everyone embrace and understand 

2017-03-11 10:35:50.844	and educate. 

2017-03-11 10:35:51.844	I think as you said, I think our 

2017-03-11 10:35:55.845	charge in the community is to 

2017-03-11 10:35:59.845	step out of the box and partner 

2017-03-11 10:36:01.845	with the arts. 

2017-03-11 10:36:02.845	And thank you very much. 

2017-03-11 10:36:04.892	>> Thank you. 

2017-03-11 10:36:06.889	>> Anyone else? 

2017-03-11 10:36:12.943	>> I really appreciated the 

2017-03-11 10:36:19.987	story about the chaplain and for 

2017-03-11 10:36:24.969	people who did not grow up on 

2017-03-11 10:36:28.01	military bases, everyone goes to 

2017-03-11 10:36:28.011	chapel and it plays a critical 

2017-03-11 10:36:30.012	role. 

2017-03-11 10:36:30.013	The chaplain is a moral leader 

2017-03-11 10:36:33.012	for everyone there. 

2017-03-11 10:36:34.01	It was the first time it was 

2017-03-11 10:36:37.053	brought up so I wanted to say 

2017-03-11 10:36:38.051	much I appreciate tod it. 

2017-03-11 10:36:42.053	>> So much of the power of the 

2017-03-11 10:36:47.19	work is fostering an expanded 

2017-03-11 10:36:49.223	social dialogue. 

2017-03-11 10:36:50.22	I wonder if you have thought 

2017-03-11 10:36:53.277	about putting this workout in 

2017-03-11 10:36:53.278	other community scenarios,

2017-03-11 10:36:56.261	whether workplaces, schools, an 

2017-03-11 10:37:00.307	Academy. 

2017-03-11 10:37:00.308	How do you think that would 

2017-03-11 10:37:02.345	work? 

2017-03-11 10:37:02.346	Is there a way to shift the 

2017-03-11 10:37:06.39	perspective of veterans from 

2017-03-11 10:37:06.391	victim to contributor? 

2017-03-11 10:37:07.409	I think that is an enormously 

2017-03-11 10:37:09.403	important opportunity. 

2017-03-11 10:37:10.39	>> I cannot speak for K.J. 

2017-03-11 10:37:12.389	This is her work. 

2017-03-11 10:37:14.389	I know at this point, she has 

2017-03-11 10:37:18.408	backed away from it a little bit 

2017-03-11 10:37:20.391	and taken a step back. 

2017-03-11 10:37:22.389	What I really appreciate about 

2017-03-11 10:37:24.474	the way they set this up is that 

2017-03-11 10:37:29.469	the focus is so much on the 

2017-03-11 10:37:30.469	agency of the story from the 

2017-03-11 10:37:32.469	individual. 

2017-03-11 10:37:35.468	The massive volume of areas that 

2017-03-11 10:37:39.512	it looks at, right? 

2017-03-11 10:37:40.511	It is not just about trauma. 

2017-03-11 10:37:42.556	It is not just about the

2017-03-11 10:37:44.552	soldier. 

2017-03-11 10:37:44.552	It is also about the soldier's 

2017-03-11 10:37:46.553	family and all these things 

2017-03-11 10:37:50.554	weaving in and out of the daily 

2017-03-11 10:37:50.555	lives of the veterans and 

2017-03-11 10:37:51.551	families. 

2017-03-11 10:37:52.553	I can say personally, my 

2017-03-11 10:37:56.555	research -- as a mentioned 

2017-03-11 10:38:01.597	yesterday, I am working on my 

2017-03-11 10:38:01.598	PhD. 

2017-03-11 10:38:01.598	My research is looking at the 

2017-03-11 10:38:06.661	way theater is being used by 

2017-03-11 10:38:06.662	displaced Syrians in Jordan. 

2017-03-11 10:38:07.638	I think this kind of model is 

2017-03-11 10:38:12.639	one of the models that in my 

2017-03-11 10:38:15.688	opinion is missing from the 

2017-03-11 10:38:18.688	current, I want to say 

2017-03-11 10:38:22.687	curriculum, because that is what 

2017-03-11 10:38:24.689	international organizations use 

2017-03-11 10:38:26.689	when they talk about using 

2017-03-11 10:38:28.69	theater in refugee spaces. 

2017-03-11 10:38:28.691	It is missing from the current 

2017-03-11 10:38:30.72	curriculum. 

2017-03-11 10:38:31.722	The stories coming out right now 

2017-03-11 10:38:34.738	are primarily being driven by 

2017-03-11 10:38:37.763	the international organizations. 

2017-03-11 10:38:38.762	Although they say they are 

2017-03-11 10:38:39.762	giving a lot of agency, the 

2017-03-11 10:38:42.76	agency is very clamped down and 

2017-03-11 10:38:47.762	ultimately is up to -- subject 

2017-03-11 10:38:51.761	to the approval of the 

2017-03-11 10:38:51.762	international organization. 

2017-03-11 10:38:52.761	I would love to see work like 

2017-03-11 10:38:55.762	this happen in that realm 

2017-03-11 10:38:55.762	personally. 

2017-03-11 10:38:56.804	>> Thank you for your reading. 

2017-03-11 10:39:00.844	I say that partly because last 

2017-03-11 10:39:06.843	night having seen the show fully 

2017-03-11 10:39:07.864	produced, there's something 

2017-03-11 10:39:10.889	about the setup that is so 

2017-03-11 10:39:14.895	intimate, confronting, amazing. 

2017-03-11 10:39:15.891	I don't know if it is my second 

2017-03-11 10:39:18.891	time seeing it, but one thing in 

2017-03-11 10:39:21.89	particular I noticed is we come 

2017-03-11 10:39:22.896	to love each of you. 

2017-03-11 10:39:24.89	And we love the words. 

2017-03-11 10:39:26.94	I will speak for myself. 

2017-03-11 10:39:29.94	Then I stopped loving the words. 

2017-03-11 10:39:31.938	You make me think through the 

2017-03-11 10:39:34.94	dilemma, especially when you 

2017-03-11 10:39:38.94	start with I don't agree with 

2017-03-11 10:39:42.98	this. 

2017-03-11 10:39:42.981	Yes, I am laughing, but I do not 

2017-03-11 10:39:45.991	want this. 

2017-03-11 10:39:46.969	And then I'm stuck with, what do 

2017-03-11 10:39:49.978	I do about that? 

2017-03-11 10:39:49.978	It is like I'm in the living 

2017-03-11 10:39:52.97	room with you trying to work 

2017-03-11 10:39:53.971	that through. 

2017-03-11 10:39:54.969	I have not had that experience 

2017-03-11 10:39:57.015	before. 

2017-03-11 10:39:57.016	It is really challenging to be 

2017-03-11 10:40:02.094	in the midst of this. 

2017-03-11 10:40:04.094	Yeah. 

2017-03-11 10:40:05.094	>> So, I wanted to ask about 

2017-03-11 10:40:15.11	your story collection process 

2017-03-11 10:40:16.106	and how you went about 

2017-03-11 10:40:18.099	collecting the stories and 

2017-03-11 10:40:21.139	getting the permissions in terms 

2017-03-11 10:40:24.138	of the verbatim stories. 

2017-03-11 10:40:26.138	The stories are all compelling 

2017-03-11 10:40:29.14	and familiar. 

2017-03-11 10:40:33.139	And really wonderfully told. 

2017-03-11 10:40:36.188	What is the process you use for 

2017-03-11 10:40:39.233	collecting the stories? 

2017-03-11 10:40:39.234	>> As I mentioned, this is K.J. 

2017-03-11 10:40:44.221	's work. 

2017-03-11 10:40:45.224	We are presenting it for K.J.

2017-03-11 10:40:50.222	because she could not be here 

2017-03-11 10:40:50.223	today. 

2017-03-11 10:40:50.224	It is work that really needed to 

2017-03-11 10:40:54.261	be out there, so I cannot speak 

2017-03-11 10:40:57.312	personally to her collection 

2017-03-11 10:40:58.311	method. 

2017-03-11 10:40:59.304	>> [INDISCERNIBLE] 

2017-03-11 10:41:02.313	>> Reentry was created through 

2017-03-11 10:41:09.344	interviews. 

2017-03-11 10:41:11.346	When you see the full 

2017-03-11 10:41:14.439	production, you basically see 

2017-03-11 10:41:14.44	the bars. 

2017-03-11 10:41:15.439	You see the C.O. giving his 

2017-03-11 10:41:20.437	speech. 

2017-03-11 10:41:21.439	And all of those things are what 

2017-03-11 10:41:23.448	K.J. and Emily did in person. 

2017-03-11 10:41:29.472	And by making the commitment to 

2017-03-11 10:41:32.47	use them verbatim, she took them 

2017-03-11 10:41:34.471	back to make sure this was the 

2017-03-11 10:41:36.51	image they were willing to have 

2017-03-11 10:41:39.515	portrayed. 

2017-03-11 10:41:41.511	As Bart said, they had to 

2017-03-11 10:41:51.553	wait until much later to use 

2017-03-11 10:41:51.554	some of the names. 

2017-03-11 10:41:51.555	The fact that they came back 

2017-03-11 10:41:55.554	later and said yes, now it is 

2017-03-11 10:41:56.595	possible to use my name, speaks 

2017-03-11 10:41:58.638	to the veracity of the process 

2017-03-11 10:41:59.638	and commitment they made to 

2017-03-11 10:42:02.694	telling a story that was -- that 

2017-03-11 10:42:08.693	continues. 

2017-03-11 10:42:10.686	It continues even though it has 

2017-03-11 10:42:12.688	changed service. 

2017-03-11 10:42:14.72	It has changed individuals. 

2017-03-11 10:42:16.761	But the process is the same. 

2017-03-11 10:42:19.761	It is their story. 

2017-03-11 10:42:20.761	It is their words. 

2017-03-11 10:42:22.76	It is not Emily and K.J. trying 

2017-03-11 10:42:26.761	to put their spin on those 

2017-03-11 10:42:28.761	words. 

2017-03-11 10:42:28.761	In fact, that is part of why it 

2017-03-11 10:42:32.803	was not political. 

2017-03-11 10:42:32.803	It is their willingness to give 

2017-03-11 10:42:37.803	over to that story. 

2017-03-11 10:42:38.804	>> Can I say something in 

2017-03-11 10:42:42.801	response to that as well? 

2017-03-11 10:42:42.802	I am not sure what the full 

2017-03-11 10:42:47.812	production looked like because I 

2017-03-11 10:42:47.813	never got to see the full 

2017-03-11 10:42:47.813	production. 

2017-03-11 10:42:47.814	It did not come to my base. 

2017-03-11 10:42:50.804	But in this space with the 

2017-03-11 10:42:54.86	PowerPoint behind it and knowing 

2017-03-11 10:42:57.855	the amount of clarity with the 

2017-03-11 10:42:58.845	words and only 2% changing, it 

2017-03-11 10:43:03.845	feels very much to me like a 

2017-03-11 10:43:07.844	very closely aligned performance

2017-03-11 10:43:16.888	is not in the style of 

2017-03-11 10:43:16.889	collection. 

2017-03-11 10:43:16.89	The idea and focus at heart 

2017-03-11 10:43:19.888	reading of witnessing to the 

2017-03-11 10:43:22.91	stories as opposed to 

2017-03-11 10:43:22.91	representing the stories. 

2017-03-11 10:43:23.889	And that was part of what drew 

2017-03-11 10:43:25.889	me when I started delving into 

2017-03-11 10:43:27.889	the work. 

2017-03-11 10:43:28.887	>> I'm going to go here and then 

2017-03-11 10:43:31.954	to Britney and then we are going 

2017-03-11 10:43:34.937	to wrap it up. 

2017-03-11 10:43:34.938	>> Margaret Lawrence from 

2017-03-11 10:43:36.938	Dartmouth College. 

2017-03-11 10:43:37.938	We were fortunate to be part of 

2017-03-11 10:43:39.938	the New England tour as a fully 

2017-03-11 10:43:41.94	staged performance. 

2017-03-11 10:43:43.937	Until then, our relationship 

2017-03-11 10:43:48.981	with our community's veterans 

2017-03-11 10:43:49.974	had been small. 

2017-03-11 10:43:50.978	In fact, we have one of the 

2017-03-11 10:43:54.054	country's largest PTSD research 

2017-03-11 10:43:58.097	centers through the medical 

2017-03-11 10:43:58.098	school. 

2017-03-11 10:43:59.14	This was a moment where not only 

2017-03-11 10:44:02.139	were we able to have a presence 

2017-03-11 10:44:02.14	there, but the entire medical 

2017-03-11 10:44:06.139	faculty came to meet K.J. on 

2017-03-11 10:44:11.221	their turf. 

2017-03-11 10:44:12.221	It was quite powerful. 

2017-03-11 10:44:14.228	I am intrigued, Andrew, by your 

2017-03-11 10:44:17.32	own sense right now of this 

2017-03-11 10:44:19.404	narrative meeting to not replace 

2017-03-11 10:44:23.389	the PTS story but evolve to the 

2017-03-11 10:44:26.451	next stage. 

2017-03-11 10:44:27.457	It links to something we are 

2017-03-11 10:44:30.476	learning. 

2017-03-11 10:44:31.512	Maybe we can talk more in the 

2017-03-11 10:44:33.554	roundtable about this. 

2017-03-11 10:44:34.553	But about our community's 

2017-03-11 10:44:36.554	veterans, they really are 

2017-03-11 10:44:39.596	willing to participate and 

2017-03-11 10:44:40.596	engage with us but they do not 

2017-03-11 10:44:43.606	want us to be giving them things

2017-03-11 10:44:48.599	because they are trained in a 

2017-03-11 10:44:48.599	culture of service. 

2017-03-11 10:44:48.6	We are now grappling with, what 

2017-03-11 10:44:54.706	use can they be back to us? 

2017-03-11 10:44:55.689	We do not even know how to speak 

2017-03-11 10:44:57.701	that language. 

2017-03-11 10:44:57.701	Maybe we can talk more about 

2017-03-11 10:44:59.689	that later. 

2017-03-11 10:45:00.688	>> yeah. 

2017-03-11 10:45:04.72	>> Thank you so much for 

2017-03-11 10:45:08.726	bringing this to us today. 

2017-03-11 10:45:08.726	It was incredible to see this 

2017-03-11 10:45:11.723	amazing work. 

2017-03-11 10:45:12.724	It is so honest and relevant to 

2017-03-11 10:45:14.762	what is happening. 

2017-03-11 10:45:15.761	I am on a resiliency team for 

2017-03-11 10:45:20.845	suicide prevention, intervention 

2017-03-11 10:45:21.844	with the National Guard. 

2017-03-11 10:45:22.844	We have almost 7000 soldiers we 

2017-03-11 10:45:24.848	respond to. 

2017-03-11 10:45:25.888	We do take this as a model. 

2017-03-11 10:45:27.892	It is so great it is being used 

2017-03-11 10:45:29.903	elsewhere and across the country 

2017-03-11 10:45:33.891	and around the world. 

2017-03-11 10:45:34.911	I really think this is a great 

2017-03-11 10:45:37.945	model to use. 

2017-03-11 10:45:37.946	We will go to veterans and ask 

2017-03-11 10:45:42.018	them for their stories. 

2017-03-11 10:45:43.054	I have gone to every unit in the 

2017-03-11 10:45:46.059	state and done this. 

2017-03-11 10:45:46.059	It elicits these incredible 

2017-03-11 10:45:49.071	responses, but also it brings 

2017-03-11 10:45:53.139	back flashbacks for them. 

2017-03-11 10:45:54.141	We will have therapists and 

2017-03-11 10:45:56.14	psychiatrists outside the room 

2017-03-11 10:45:59.196	that go into the same thing. 

2017-03-11 10:46:00.221	I have received resiliency 

2017-03-11 10:46:01.226	training. 

2017-03-11 10:46:02.222	This is what they teach us to 

2017-03-11 10:46:04.261	do. 

2017-03-11 10:46:04.262	This is something growing and 

2017-03-11 10:46:06.305	becoming more used widely across 

2017-03-11 10:46:09.306	the country. 

2017-03-11 10:46:09.307	We are receiving training from 

2017-03-11 10:46:12.344	civilian organizations, which is 

2017-03-11 10:46:15.347	where the idea came from. 

2017-03-11 10:46:15.347	Great concept. 

2017-03-11 10:46:17.346	So, it is a great circle to be 

2017-03-11 10:46:20.388	learning from. 

2017-03-11 10:46:21.387	Military teaching civilians and 

2017-03-11 10:46:25.39	civilian's teaching military. 

2017-03-11 10:46:25.391	We are using that cyclical 

2017-03-11 10:46:27.39	teaching thing. 

2017-03-11 10:46:29.389	It is great to know it is 

2017-03-11 10:46:33.389	happening elsewhere, too, and it 

2017-03-11 10:46:35.407	is growing. 

2017-03-11 10:46:35.408	>> Unfortunately, we are going 

2017-03-11 10:46:41.524	to wrap it up. 

2017-03-11 10:46:41.524	Let's give another round of 

2017-03-11 10:46:45.556	applause to them. 

2017-03-11 10:46:46.552	Thank you so much. 

2017-03-11 10:46:48.551	Thank you very much. 

2017-03-11 10:46:50.595	[APPLAUSE] 

2017-03-11 10:46:51.595	>> As you all know, we are just 

2017-03-11 10:46:57.69	at the start of our day so these 

2017-03-11 10:46:59.701	conversations will continue. 

2017-03-11 10:47:00.691	We are 15 minutes behind, which 

2017-03-11 10:47:04.737	is an intentional choice, so we 

2017-03-11 10:47:06.738	are now moving the break from --

2017-03-11 10:47:09.737	right now it is 10:45. 

2017-03-11 10:47:09.738	Please be back in his room at 

2017-03-11 10:47:11.777	11:00. 

2017-03-11 10:47:12.762	We will switch the room over. 

2017-03-11 10:47:15.803	Please grab your things and make 

2017-03-11 10:47:17.805	it to the lobby as quickly as 

2017-03-11 10:47:19.845	possible. 

2017-03-11 10:47:20.887	Thank you so much. 

2017-03-11 11:02:51.263	>> OK, welcome back. 

2017-03-11 11:02:54.263	Thank you for making that break 

2017-03-11 11:02:59.274	a real 15 minutes. 

2017-03-11 11:02:59.275	We are going to get started with 

2017-03-11 11:03:03.306	her inner circle and outer 

2017-03-11 11:03:03.307	circle discussion. 

2017-03-11 11:03:03.308	Just a reminder for folks who 

2017-03-11 11:03:07.35	were not here yesterday, the way 

2017-03-11 11:03:10.351	this works is we have 45 minutes 

2017-03-11 11:03:11.35	of discussion at the center 

2017-03-11 11:03:11.351	search and -- at this inner 

2017-03-11 11:03:14.443	discussion. 

2017-03-11 11:03:15.463	It the ones in the outer 

2017-03-11 11:03:17.462	discussion -- the ones in the 

2017-03-11 11:03:20.515	outer circle are listening. 

2017-03-11 11:03:22.555	Then we kick it off with a full

2017-03-11 11:03:28.623	45 minutes of full discussion. 

2017-03-11 11:03:30.605	This panel will go until 12:30 

2017-03-11 11:03:36.598	until 12:15 and off we go. 

2017-03-11 11:03:36.599	>> Hello. 

2017-03-11 11:03:38.601	I will remind you that we are 

2017-03-11 11:03:42.597	talking to each other even 

2017-03-11 11:03:42.598	though it is weird to talk to 

2017-03-11 11:03:44.602	each other with a microphone. 

2017-03-11 11:03:44.602	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:03:44.603	And there is a rumor that I have 

2017-03-11 11:03:51.602	struck fears in the hearts of 

2017-03-11 11:03:53.643	panelists everywhere by my 

2017-03-11 11:03:55.645	approach of yesterday's timing 

2017-03-11 11:03:56.646	view. 

2017-03-11 11:03:57.667	I think that is a good thing. 

2017-03-11 11:04:00.645	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:04:01.686	So, what I would love to do to 

2017-03-11 11:04:06.725	start is we have a really 

2017-03-11 11:04:07.725	eclectic panel in terms of 

2017-03-11 11:04:10.724	people coming from really 

2017-03-11 11:04:10.725	different types of places versus 

2017-03-11 11:04:14.726	yesterday's panel where people 

2017-03-11 11:04:16.723	were coming from a particular 

2017-03-11 11:04:20.724	artistic perspective. 

2017-03-11 11:04:20.724	But I would like to do was have 

2017-03-11 11:04:20.725	you start by going around and 

2017-03-11 11:04:23.724	introducing yourself. 

2017-03-11 11:04:23.725	I would like you to keep the 

2017-03-11 11:04:26.726	introduction to 90 seconds and 

2017-03-11 11:04:29.728	really talk about what brings 

2017-03-11 11:04:30.726	you to the table today. 

2017-03-11 11:04:30.727	If you could take the key things

2017-03-11 11:04:35.858	. 

2017-03-11 11:04:35.858	At 90 seconds, you will see me 

2017-03-11 11:04:36.81	pick up my microphone and start 

2017-03-11 11:04:39.809	interrupt you. 

2017-03-11 11:04:39.809	OK. 

2017-03-11 11:04:39.81	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:04:39.811	But I will try to do it with 

2017-03-11 11:04:42.812	great gentleness. 

2017-03-11 11:04:42.813	So, if anybody wants to start 

2017-03-11 11:04:46.813	and then we will make our way

2017-03-11 11:04:50.82	around. 

2017-03-11 11:04:50.821	Anyone feel ready to do an 

2017-03-11 11:04:50.822	introduction? 

2017-03-11 11:04:51.81	Thank you so much. 

2017-03-11 11:04:54.816	>> hello. 

2017-03-11 11:04:57.813	I was the person Carl was 

2017-03-11 11:05:02.812	speaking of. 

2017-03-11 11:05:02.812	Carl was scaring me. 

2017-03-11 11:05:02.813	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:05:02.813	I am Patricia Jones, or Dr. 

2017-03-11 11:05:07.851	Patricia Jones. 

2017-03-11 11:05:08.865	I am a part of the creative arts 

2017-03-11 11:05:13.944	integration project and I am at 

2017-03-11 11:05:15.897	a veteran at the table serving 

2017-03-11 11:05:18.947	of that magnitude. 

2017-03-11 11:05:18.948	>> you have a lot more time. 

2017-03-11 11:05:21.944	It great, great. 

2017-03-11 11:05:23.944	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:05:24.944	>> let's send it around. 

2017-03-11 11:05:28.956	>> I have the benefit of 

2017-03-11 11:05:31.951	introducing myself earlier. 

2017-03-11 11:05:36.022	I will share some things of why 

2017-03-11 11:05:40.021	I am on this panel. 

2017-03-11 11:05:40.022	It gets into --I am actually 

2017-03-11 11:05:44.141	happy and comfortable with 

2017-03-11 11:05:44.142	saying I am not an artist. 

2017-03-11 11:05:46.197	I started out learning about the 

2017-03-11 11:05:49.197	arts. 

2017-03-11 11:05:49.198	I have a background in the arts, 

2017-03-11 11:05:54.226	but I have been very centered 

2017-03-11 11:05:55.234	and a very happy in the role of 

2017-03-11 11:05:59.232	administrator and really lately 

2017-03-11 11:05:59.233	advocate. 

2017-03-11 11:06:00.225	this is -- this is a common 

2017-03-11 11:06:07.31	dating part of my career as an 

2017-03-11 11:06:08.31	administrator is really working 

2017-03-11 11:06:09.31	in this field with the veterans 

2017-03-11 11:06:11.351	and with the veteran artists and 

2017-03-11 11:06:13.351	artisan everybody across the 

2017-03-11 11:06:14.418	continuum. 

2017-03-11 11:06:15.351	for the record, I am marete

2017-03-11 11:06:21.397	waster. 

2017-03-11 11:06:23.396	If >> thank you. 

2017-03-11 11:06:26.446	>> I am Madison Cario. 

2017-03-11 11:06:30.521	I am many things. 

2017-03-11 11:06:32.522	Let's talk about my job. 

2017-03-11 11:06:34.52	What pays the bills right now, I 

2017-03-11 11:06:38.518	am the director of the office of 

2017-03-11 11:06:41.524	the arts at the Georgia 

2017-03-11 11:06:41.525	Institute of technology. 

2017-03-11 11:06:42.518	It is a wonderful opportunity 

2017-03-11 11:06:45.522	for me because I get to be an 

2017-03-11 11:06:46.606	artist a curator, and a science 

2017-03-11 11:06:49.523	geek. 

2017-03-11 11:06:49.524	I have a background in 

2017-03-11 11:06:54.566	environmental science and the -- 

2017-03-11 11:07:00.604	in electrical engineering from 

2017-03-11 11:07:00.605	the Marine Corps that I get to 

2017-03-11 11:07:02.604	come out about. 

2017-03-11 11:07:03.605	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:07:04.605	So many things to come out 

2017-03-11 11:07:07.604	about. 

2017-03-11 11:07:07.605	I will be honest, I am full and 

2017-03-11 11:07:11.612	super nervous. 

2017-03-11 11:07:12.606	in this room in the last 24 

2017-03-11 11:07:17.65	hours, I have brought even more 

2017-03-11 11:07:20.713	pieces of myself together. 

2017-03-11 11:07:22.696	This is crazy. 

2017-03-11 11:07:23.699	just when I think I know how to 

2017-03-11 11:07:27.698	be the administrator and a 

2017-03-11 11:07:29.697	veteran and a scientist, I do 

2017-03-11 11:07:32.697	not think until this morning, I 

2017-03-11 11:07:35.745	really had a clue how deeply 

2017-03-11 11:07:39.815	moved I am. 

2017-03-11 11:07:41.814	my cells are vibrating and I am 

2017-03-11 11:07:46.815	terrified. 

2017-03-11 11:07:46.815	there are words I cannot 

2017-03-11 11:07:50.815	publish, but I will say thank 

2017-03-11 11:07:50.815	you. 

2017-03-11 11:07:50.816	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:07:50.816	>> Hi, everyone. 

2017-03-11 11:07:53.847	Maurice couldcau. 

2017-03-11 11:08:01.899	El would we are trying to do is 

2017-03-11 11:08:05.898	to teach veterans how to work in 

2017-03-11 11:08:08.898	technical theater. 

2017-03-11 11:08:08.898	We are working in three sites 

2017-03-11 11:08:14.947	right now and the foresight we 

2017-03-11 11:08:14.947	are hoping to get up in August. 

2017-03-11 11:08:17.946	One is Providence -- Brown 

2017-03-11 11:08:21.946	Providence community libraries 

2017-03-11 11:08:22.946	in North Carolina with their 

2017-03-11 11:08:26.952	beauty theater -- with their 

2017-03-11 11:08:29.996	community theater. 

2017-03-11 11:08:30.996	We open up our third site last 

2017-03-11 11:08:33.996	week in San Diego with the La 

2017-03-11 11:08:35.996	Jolla Playhouse. 

2017-03-11 11:08:40.005	And the final pilot site, we 

2017-03-11 11:08:50.021	will get that up this fall 

2017-03-11 11:08:51.032	semester. 

2017-03-11 11:08:51.032	That is what we are doing. 

2017-03-11 11:08:51.033	I was in the Marines as an 

2017-03-11 11:08:58.024	artillery man. 

2017-03-11 11:08:59.024	Also a playwright. 

2017-03-11 11:09:02.109	>> I am Arctic wrote, executive 

2017-03-11 11:09:09.111	-- I am mark degraot. 

2017-03-11 11:09:14.107	I researched the expense of post 

2017-03-11 11:09:18.111	9/11 veterans as they 

2017-03-11 11:09:19.108	transitioned as a human life 

2017-03-11 11:09:21.108	event. 

2017-03-11 11:09:23.151	I had an amazing life experience 

2017-03-11 11:09:29.201	witnessing the performance -- 

2017-03-11 11:09:35.2	and working with veterans and it 

2017-03-11 11:09:35.201	became personal to me and I 

2017-03-11 11:09:38.252	discover the power of art as an 

2017-03-11 11:09:38.253	appropriate platform. 

2017-03-11 11:09:38.253	And also a prominent platform 

2017-03-11 11:09:47.251	for journalists, historians, -- 

2017-03-11 11:09:54.25	this is one of the most 

2017-03-11 11:09:55.251	important parts of my work. 

2017-03-11 11:09:55.251	I've been involved in five 

2017-03-11 11:09:59.251	veterans arts projects in 

2017-03-11 11:10:02.252	various roles. 

2017-03-11 11:10:03.249	I am learning every day. 

2017-03-11 11:10:07.28	This has been an important 

2017-03-11 11:10:07.28	community for me. 

2017-03-11 11:10:08.295	I feel very connected to this 

2017-03-11 11:10:10.277	community. 

2017-03-11 11:10:11.289	I am also scared and nervous. 

2017-03-11 11:10:14.283	This is a very powerful 

2017-03-11 11:10:16.323	collection of people and talent. 

2017-03-11 11:10:19.36	And I feel really privileged to 

2017-03-11 11:10:20.365	be here, but I am on edge. 

2017-03-11 11:10:23.36	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:10:23.403	>> good morning. 

2017-03-11 11:10:25.362	My name is the motor of the hot 

2017-03-11 11:10:32.361	-- my name is Umoja  Abdul and I 

2017-03-11 11:10:36.37	may be a non-veteran and I 

2017-03-11 11:10:38.369	talked to a guy the other day

2017-03-11 11:10:42.407	and said I was a Vietnam veteran 

2017-03-11 11:10:46.401	and he said, I thought all of 

2017-03-11 11:10:46.401	you all were dead. 

2017-03-11 11:10:47.433	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:10:47.434	So I have a real important 

2017-03-11 11:10:51.452	reason --  

2017-03-11 11:10:51.453	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:10:51.453	-- to be around this table. 

2017-03-11 11:10:55.451	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:10:55.451	I have a son that is a -- a son 

2017-03-11 11:11:02.619	who is in the Navy. 

2017-03-11 11:11:02.62	I have a seven law -- I have a 

2017-03-11 11:11:05.526	son in law in the Army. 

2017-03-11 11:11:08.536	And I have three grandsons that 

2017-03-11 11:11:12.527	were in the service. 

2017-03-11 11:11:12.528	I have one now who is playing 

2017-03-11 11:11:17.526	with an Army Jazz band. 

2017-03-11 11:11:20.527	He is a drama and very good. 

2017-03-11 11:11:22.527	And my oldest grandson just told 

2017-03-11 11:11:23.545	me two or three weeks ago, maybe 

2017-03-11 11:11:26.526	longer, that he and his wife are 

2017-03-11 11:11:28.529	expecting the 22nd of this 

2017-03-11 11:11:30.527	month. 

2017-03-11 11:11:30.528	So, when I talked last night 

2017-03-11 11:11:35.586	about us really looking at how 

2017-03-11 11:11:38.57	we can effectively make a change 

2017-03-11 11:11:40.571	and not have all of the stores 

2017-03-11 11:11:42.569	about war, I believe the 

2017-03-11 11:11:45.615	Pentagon probably needs like 

2017-03-11 11:11:45.616	this, and they have no more 

2017-03-11 11:11:48.612	power than we do. 

2017-03-11 11:11:48.613	we can stop this. 

2017-03-11 11:11:50.621	>> so, it seems like everyone is 

2017-03-11 11:11:56.612	using their pr voice, so I will 

2017-03-11 11:12:00.621	as well. 

2017-03-11 11:12:00.622	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:12:01.61	My name is Sam Pressler. 

2017-03-11 11:12:07.655	I cannot do that. 

2017-03-11 11:12:07.655	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:12:07.656	I listen to it every morning. 

2017-03-11 11:12:11.7	You should, too. 

2017-03-11 11:12:13.701	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:12:13.702	My name is Sam Pressler and I am 

2017-03-11 11:12:17.749	the founder and Executive 

2017-03-11 11:12:17.75	Director of the armed services 

2017-03-11 11:12:19.75	arts partnership but Army

2017-03-11 11:12:23.749	people, not the alcohol and 

2017-03-11 11:12:25.751	substance abuse program. 

2017-03-11 11:12:25.752	And also a comedy boot camp. 

2017-03-11 11:12:28.751	I am very humbled to be at this 

2017-03-11 11:12:31.751	table. 

2017-03-11 11:12:32.762	when I was in college, I was

2017-03-11 11:12:39.782	looking forward to being at this 

2017-03-11 11:12:41.827	table. 

2017-03-11 11:12:41.828	I started this program when I 

2017-03-11 11:12:41.829	was a sophomore and was very 

2017-03-11 11:12:46.904	fortunate to get a few 

2017-03-11 11:12:46.905	fellowship fundings to work on 

2017-03-11 11:12:48.907	it full-time. 

2017-03-11 11:12:48.908	I have no background in the arts 

2017-03-11 11:12:53.955	except for performing comedy 

2017-03-11 11:12:53.956	when I was in high school. 

2017-03-11 11:12:55.002	did not serve in the military. 

2017-03-11 11:12:58.051	My grandparents did. 

2017-03-11 11:12:59.068	wow. 

2017-03-11 11:13:00.03	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:13:01.065	So what ASAP does, we help 

2017-03-11 11:13:05.04	veterans reenter great through 

2017-03-11 11:13:08.031	the community through the arts. 

2017-03-11 11:13:09.031	our approach include entry-level 

2017-03-11 11:13:13.031	classes, which for veterans are 

2017-03-11 11:13:16.071	about seven to 10 weeks in 

2017-03-11 11:13:20.155	length and culminate in public 

2017-03-11 11:13:22.157	performances. 

2017-03-11 11:13:23.154	we also provide long-term alumni 

2017-03-11 11:13:26.154	support through workshops, etc.  

2017-03-11 11:13:29.202	>> thank you. 

2017-03-11 11:13:32.201	Good morning. 

2017-03-11 11:13:32.201	My name is Nolen Bivens. 

2017-03-11 11:13:35.219	I come to you this morning by 

2017-03-11 11:13:40.201	way of 32 years of active 

2017-03-11 11:13:43.254	military service and I retired 

2017-03-11 11:13:43.254	back in 2008. 

2017-03-11 11:13:44.26	IMF the table by virtue of a 

2017-03-11 11:13:47.262	relationship with Bob Lynch of 

2017-03-11 11:13:53.252	America's for the arts. 

2017-03-11 11:13:55.251	I am here primarily because of 

2017-03-11 11:13:56.251	the strong, compassionate 

2017-03-11 11:13:56.252	feeling I have about the subject 

2017-03-11 11:14:01.281	we are talking about this 

2017-03-11 11:14:01.281	morning, which is healing. 

2017-03-11 11:14:01.282	I think healing happens within 

2017-03-11 11:14:04.325	communities. 

2017-03-11 11:14:04.326	I wish I could've quoted that, 

2017-03-11 11:14:07.45	but that comes from another book 

2017-03-11 11:14:10.329	I have read. 

2017-03-11 11:14:10.33	But it resonated with me and I 

2017-03-11 11:14:14.406	think it is a collector that 

2017-03-11 11:14:14.407	allows me to think about this 

2017-03-11 11:14:15.476	work of bridging military and 

2017-03-11 11:14:18.452	our communities with that one 

2017-03-11 11:14:21.464	notion that healing occurs in 

2017-03-11 11:14:24.504	the community, and it is not 

2017-03-11 11:14:28.533	just the physical, mental, 

2017-03-11 11:14:28.534	social aspect, but the whole 

2017-03-11 11:14:31.531	concept of healing. 

2017-03-11 11:14:31.532	what I spend my time these days 

2017-03-11 11:14:36.532	doing outside of running a 

2017-03-11 11:14:36.533	business is passionately 

2017-03-11 11:14:40.576	advocating to all of those I can 

2017-03-11 11:14:41.577	influence with this notion of 

2017-03-11 11:14:41.578	how art can contribute 

2017-03-11 11:14:43.575	tremendously to the benefit of 

2017-03-11 11:14:45.574	our families as well. 

2017-03-11 11:14:48.58	I think the family is a key 

2017-03-11 11:14:50.575	component. 

2017-03-11 11:14:52.574	Thank you so very much. 

2017-03-11 11:14:54.617	>> thank you for that. 

2017-03-11 11:14:59.618	That was great. 

2017-03-11 11:14:59.618	I will turn my timer off now. 

2017-03-11 11:14:59.619	I like to get everybody's voice 

2017-03-11 11:15:04.702	in the room to start, which is 

2017-03-11 11:15:04.702	great. 

2017-03-11 11:15:06.702	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 11:15:06.702	You have eclectic backgrounds, 

2017-03-11 11:15:10.705	but you are all referencing the 

2017-03-11 11:15:12.753	power of art. 

2017-03-11 11:15:13.754	some of you with experience in 

2017-03-11 11:15:17.755	the arts and some of you coming 

2017-03-11 11:15:17.756	from the outside. 

2017-03-11 11:15:18.753	I just wonder if you could 

2017-03-11 11:15:21.787	reflect personally because I 

2017-03-11 11:15:22.793	feel in a way this conversation 

2017-03-11 11:15:24.793	has gone fast over the course of 

2017-03-11 11:15:27.792	this one day and morning we had 

2017-03-11 11:15:30.788	been together. 

2017-03-11 11:15:30.788	I wonder if you could talk a 

2017-03-11 11:15:33.787	little bit about -- to use 

2017-03-11 11:15:39.829	Arthur's words, the power of the 

2017-03-11 11:15:39.829	art. 

2017-03-11 11:15:40.825	even if you wanted to talk 

2017-03-11 11:15:42.827	anecdotally or your direct 

2017-03-11 11:15:45.867	experience, I would like to put 

2017-03-11 11:15:47.89	that into the center of the 

2017-03-11 11:15:47.89	table. 

2017-03-11 11:15:48.872	>> OK. 

2017-03-11 11:15:50.867	So Patricia again. 

2017-03-11 11:15:52.873	For me personally, that is what 

2017-03-11 11:15:57.876	I will bring into this to answer 

2017-03-11 11:15:58.87	your question. 

2017-03-11 11:15:58.871	I am a veteran and in -- after I 

2017-03-11 11:16:03.956	got out, I went to graduate 

2017-03-11 11:16:05.955	school. 

2017-03-11 11:16:05.956	after a while, I ended up in 

2017-03-11 11:16:10.009	Knoxville, Tennessee working on 

2017-03-11 11:16:10.01	my doctorate. 

2017-03-11 11:16:11.005	and I had a class where a group 

2017-03-11 11:16:16.048	of local artists, or activists 

2017-03-11 11:16:21.036	came into the space it 

2017-03-11 11:16:21.037	introduced what they were doing, 

2017-03-11 11:16:25.035	and for the class assignment, I 

2017-03-11 11:16:25.036	was to go to do some work with 

2017-03-11 11:16:28.077	one of these groups. 

2017-03-11 11:16:28.078	it just so happens that carbon 

2017-03-11 11:16:32.121	back theater were present and 

2017-03-11 11:16:35.121	they were discussing the piece 

2017-03-11 11:16:37.119	speed. 

2017-03-11 11:16:37.12	as I sat there as a veteran at 

2017-03-11 11:16:40.119	that time, no one knew I was a 

2017-03-11 11:16:41.121	veteran. 

2017-03-11 11:16:42.122	I did not identify as a veteran. 

2017-03-11 11:16:45.161	I knew I had to work with them. 

2017-03-11 11:16:49.249	after I heard them describe that 

2017-03-11 11:16:52.205	piece from last night, I had to 

2017-03-11 11:16:54.204	work with them. 

2017-03-11 11:16:54.205	and so, I committed to doing 

2017-03-11 11:16:58.205	that. 

2017-03-11 11:16:58.206	and Linda invited me as my 

2017-03-11 11:17:03.215	assignment to participate in a 

2017-03-11 11:17:03.215	story circle. 

2017-03-11 11:17:03.216	and I do not even think that 

2017-03-11 11:17:06.266	Linda was aware of it, but after 

2017-03-11 11:17:10.254	I participate in that story 

2017-03-11 11:17:10.255	circle, that was the first time 

2017-03-11 11:17:12.254	I ever told my story. 

2017-03-11 11:17:12.254	ever. 

2017-03-11 11:17:14.256	no one knew my story. 

2017-03-11 11:17:15.255	the only one person who knew my 

2017-03-11 11:17:20.254	story was my professor, who read 

2017-03-11 11:17:22.288	the paper that I wrote. 

2017-03-11 11:17:23.287	I share my story with this 

2017-03-11 11:17:26.287	group. 

2017-03-11 11:17:26.288	the mojo was present -- umoja 

2017-03-11 11:17:35.294	was present and it was received 

2017-03-11 11:17:35.295	in a powerful way. 

2017-03-11 11:17:35.295	I was in a place where I -- my 

2017-03-11 11:17:40.333	story had been taken from me. 

2017-03-11 11:17:41.33	my narrative had been taken from 

2017-03-11 11:17:44.333	me. 

2017-03-11 11:17:44.333	I was robbed of my story and my 

2017-03-11 11:17:46.33	narrative. 

2017-03-11 11:17:47.336	and I was just existing and not 

2017-03-11 11:17:49.332	living because I was in fear. 

2017-03-11 11:17:51.34	I was on the brink where life 

2017-03-11 11:17:55.372	for me, it was almost over. 

2017-03-11 11:17:57.372	but I came into that space. 

2017-03-11 11:17:59.411	I told that story of me 

2017-03-11 11:18:02.414	suffering from PTS, or PTSD, and 

2017-03-11 11:18:08.455	how I ended up becoming a felon 

2017-03-11 11:18:12.467	because of an act that was 

2017-03-11 11:18:15.51	committed that I did not have a 

2017-03-11 11:18:19.504	title for and did not know how 

2017-03-11 11:18:19.505	to name until several positions 

2017-03-11 11:18:22.52	within the V.A. told me that it 

2017-03-11 11:18:25.51	was PTSD. 

2017-03-11 11:18:26.542	I told them they were crazy 

2017-03-11 11:18:29.541	because I was not a Vietnam vet. 

2017-03-11 11:18:30.54	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:18:31.542	This was not real, you know? 

2017-03-11 11:18:34.54	I am not an old, you know. 

2017-03-11 11:18:37.61	so, I also came to discover, you 

2017-03-11 11:18:41.581	know, I experienced military 

2017-03-11 11:18:44.583	sexual traumas as well. 

2017-03-11 11:18:45.582	and I know that is not a lived 

2017-03-11 11:18:48.626	experience for every female or 

2017-03-11 11:18:50.665	male in the military, but it 

2017-03-11 11:18:53.666	happened to me. 

2017-03-11 11:18:53.666	That was the first time in that 

2017-03-11 11:18:57.665	circle I was able to say that 

2017-03-11 11:18:58.666	come and after I left that 

2017-03-11 11:18:59.664	space, my life changed, and that 

2017-03-11 11:19:02.666	is why I am here. 

2017-03-11 11:19:02.667	it took, and I don't even know 

2017-03-11 11:19:06.666	how many years later, a lot of 

2017-03-11 11:19:06.667	years later -- Linda and Andrea 

2017-03-11 11:19:09.665	and others who were in that 

2017-03-11 11:19:11.707	circle, I was able to share with 

2017-03-11 11:19:13.709	them that story and the impact 

2017-03-11 11:19:16.717	it had on me being able to share 

2017-03-11 11:19:18.709	that with them. 

2017-03-11 11:19:18.709	the carbon  not stop there. 

2017-03-11 11:19:21.707	they invited me to take my story 

2017-03-11 11:19:24.709	and change it into a digital 

2017-03-11 11:19:27.757	story, but I had to do it 

2017-03-11 11:19:27.758	myself. 

2017-03-11 11:19:27.759	I had to go through the trainers 

2017-03-11 11:19:32.758	program, so I wrote my story and 

2017-03-11 11:19:34.757	created a video, three minutes, 

2017-03-11 11:19:41.808	with images and everything about 

2017-03-11 11:19:41.808	my story. 

2017-03-11 11:19:41.809	and then I went and started 

2017-03-11 11:19:47.807	pursuing that even deeper, and I 

2017-03-11 11:19:48.815	started to do that with story 

2017-03-11 11:19:50.821	center as well with Jill

2017-03-11 11:19:53.834	Lambert. 

2017-03-11 11:19:53.834	now I am a digital storyteller 

2017-03-11 11:19:57.877	and facilitator, but I am the 

2017-03-11 11:20:00.877	owner of my story, and that is 

2017-03-11 11:20:00.877	what I want to help others do. 

2017-03-11 11:20:02.876	be it veterans are not because 

2017-03-11 11:20:07.917	we are human and what we 

2017-03-11 11:20:07.918	experience our human issues. 

2017-03-11 11:20:08.919	>> thank you so much. 

2017-03-11 11:20:10.917	>>Go ahead. 

2017-03-11 11:20:13.916	>> I would add about the power 

2017-03-11 11:20:17.925	of the art. 

2017-03-11 11:20:17.926	There are internal and external 

2017-03-11 11:20:22.923	powers. 

2017-03-11 11:20:23.916	I really think it is very 

2017-03-11 11:20:26.922	powerful and that creative class 

2017-03-11 11:20:28.916	is intermixed with the warrior 

2017-03-11 11:20:29.927	class. 

2017-03-11 11:20:29.928	I think the real audience is our 

2017-03-11 11:20:34.917	nonveterans. 

2017-03-11 11:20:35.96	that is the majority of people. 

2017-03-11 11:20:37.959	I mention this the other day -- 

2017-03-11 11:20:40.962	that they are not exposed to 

2017-03-11 11:20:44.971	these stories and the reality of 

2017-03-11 11:20:44.972	those that voluntarily serve in 

2017-03-11 11:20:47.963	uniform. 

2017-03-11 11:20:47.964	not as heroes and not as

2017-03-11 11:20:52.972	victims, as a life choice. 

2017-03-11 11:20:53.963	I think it is very powerful for 

2017-03-11 11:20:55.961	me in my work to use the 

2017-03-11 11:20:57.963	creative work of you here 

2017-03-11 11:20:59.96	towards having a voice to the 

2017-03-11 11:21:04.014	civilian audience. 

2017-03-11 11:21:05.01	we have heard a lot how

2017-03-11 11:21:11.058	reinforcing and third cutie get 

2017-03-11 11:21:11.059	is for those who have served -- 

2017-03-11 11:21:14.061	how reinforcing and therapeutic

2017-03-11 11:21:19.076	to those who have served. 

2017-03-11 11:21:19.085	that is important. 

2017-03-11 11:21:21.086	largely, it is the external 

2017-03-11 11:21:24.063	audience. 

2017-03-11 11:21:24.064	it is kind of interesting that 

2017-03-11 11:21:28.096	most people who go into the 

2017-03-11 11:21:28.097	military of the warrior class 

2017-03-11 11:21:30.101	are very disconnected from the 

2017-03-11 11:21:32.16	arts world. 

2017-03-11 11:21:32.161	it is hard to bring them on the 

2017-03-11 11:21:39.087	campus 17 miles from an Army 

2017-03-11 11:21:39.088	base with free tickets and all 

2017-03-11 11:21:42.135	kinds of incentives to bring 

2017-03-11 11:21:43.133	them into a theater. 

2017-03-11 11:21:44.126	it should not be that way, but 

2017-03-11 11:21:48.174	once they do, this becomes a 

2017-03-11 11:21:48.175	part of their lives. 

2017-03-11 11:21:49.213	my last comment would be as I 

2017-03-11 11:21:53.213	hope to all of this work, we are 

2017-03-11 11:21:56.212	doing social work and art as a 

2017-03-11 11:21:56.213	catalyst for this. 

2017-03-11 11:21:57.211	there is a value of ringing the 

2017-03-11 11:22:01.212	arts into the lives of our 

2017-03-11 11:22:02.213	military veterans. 

2017-03-11 11:22:03.213	that is missing. 

2017-03-11 11:22:04.213	they get entertainment and they 

2017-03-11 11:22:06.249	get entertained, but they do not 

2017-03-11 11:22:08.227	get art. 

2017-03-11 11:22:08.228	and I think they deserved that 

2017-03-11 11:22:12.338	and I am a veteran I felt the 

2017-03-11 11:22:12.338	power in my own life of art. 

2017-03-11 11:22:14.337	that is a gift intrinsic to them

2017-03-11 11:22:20.338	in that committee does not get 

2017-03-11 11:22:20.338	art. 

2017-03-11 11:22:20.339	>> so, I will come at this 

2017-03-11 11:22:26.339	probably from the vso approach. 

2017-03-11 11:22:32.341	The first piece is thinking 

2017-03-11 11:22:35.421	about accessibility. 

2017-03-11 11:22:35.421	Particularly in the veteran 

2017-03-11 11:22:40.445	service space, you typically see 

2017-03-11 11:22:41.422	the newer type of the Esso 

2017-03-11 11:22:43.423	organizations -- vso

2017-03-11 11:22:46.427	organizations are not that 

2017-03-11 11:22:47.422	diverse. 

2017-03-11 11:22:47.423	It is post-9/11 veterans, and 

2017-03-11 11:22:52.422	sometimes more bias towards 

2017-03-11 11:22:52.422	officers. 

2017-03-11 11:22:55.422	We found through our program is 

2017-03-11 11:22:57.463	you get an incredible diversity 

2017-03-11 11:23:00.463	through this program. 

2017-03-11 11:23:00.463	We haven't anyone writing group 

2017-03-11 11:23:06.48	in Hampton Roads and D.C. 

2017-03-11 11:23:07.469	someone just out of service, and 

2017-03-11 11:23:12.464	World War II veterans because 

2017-03-11 11:23:12.465	the nice thing about writing, it 

2017-03-11 11:23:14.502	is accessible. 

2017-03-11 11:23:14.503	you seem really diverse range of 

2017-03-11 11:23:18.472	ages. 

2017-03-11 11:23:18.473	I think racially, this is 

2017-03-11 11:23:22.562	something that has surprised me 

2017-03-11 11:23:23.56	personally is, you know, right 

2017-03-11 11:23:26.569	now, over 50% of the people 

2017-03-11 11:23:30.594	participating in our programs 

2017-03-11 11:23:30.595	are people of color. 

2017-03-11 11:23:30.595	when you compare that to the 

2017-03-11 11:23:32.593	overall veterans population, 82% 

2017-03-11 11:23:36.632	are Caucasian. 

2017-03-11 11:23:37.633	we are finding that the arts are 

2017-03-11 11:23:40.633	breeding a lot of the more 

2017-03-11 11:23:43.673	underrepresented veterans. 

2017-03-11 11:23:43.673	finally, less than 10% of 

2017-03-11 11:23:46.726	veterans are women, yet 40% 

2017-03-11 11:23:50.672	participating in a program are 

2017-03-11 11:23:51.686	women. 

2017-03-11 11:23:51.687	considering we do stand up comic 

2017-03-11 11:23:55.716	which is very male-dominated, 

2017-03-11 11:23:57.723	we're finding that our classes 

2017-03-11 11:23:59.762	are usually 40% to 50% women. 

2017-03-11 11:24:02.763	accessibility piece is

2017-03-11 11:24:05.761	important. 

2017-03-11 11:24:05.762	the second piece is the 

2017-03-11 11:24:08.762	diversity of what can come from 

2017-03-11 11:24:08.763	the arts. 

2017-03-11 11:24:08.763	for us as art educators, we are 

2017-03-11 11:24:12.761	not guiding toward the 

2017-03-11 11:24:13.766	therapeutic outcome. 

2017-03-11 11:24:14.762	we are not qualified to do that, 

2017-03-11 11:24:18.763	but what could come from that if 

2017-03-11 11:24:22.81	you give people an opportunity 

2017-03-11 11:24:25.447	to have a community and express 

2017-03-11 11:24:25.448	yourself, that can create a 

2017-03-11 11:24:25.813	renewed sense of purpose and

2017-03-11 11:24:29.814	expansion of that identity 

2017-03-11 11:24:29.814	beyond just being defined by 

2017-03-11 11:24:31.813	what happened in the past, but 

2017-03-11 11:24:32.811	what you are contributing moving 

2017-03-11 11:24:33.823	forward. 

2017-03-11 11:24:33.823	and for some healing benefits. 

2017-03-11 11:24:38.841	I think the other piece is to 

2017-03-11 11:24:40.886	what Arthur says is getting 

2017-03-11 11:24:42.882	better as a platform and having 

2017-03-11 11:24:44.882	them tell their story to an 

2017-03-11 11:24:45.891	audience of civilians or people 

2017-03-11 11:24:49.883	less connected. 

2017-03-11 11:24:49.884	that boosts awareness and 

2017-03-11 11:24:54.892	understanding. 

2017-03-11 11:24:54.892	and it also boosts more 

2017-03-11 11:24:57.924	engagement bringing communities 

2017-03-11 11:24:58.886	closer together. 

2017-03-11 11:24:59.907	just the diversity of what can 

2017-03-11 11:25:03.889	come from this is really 

2017-03-11 11:25:03.89	important. 

2017-03-11 11:25:03.89	>> that is great. 

2017-03-11 11:25:09.063	Sam, I want to add to that 

2017-03-11 11:25:10.094	thinking of joy in invitation 

2017-03-11 11:25:12.094	and taking sensibility to 

2017-03-11 11:25:13.093	invitation. 

2017-03-11 11:25:13.094	What I found with my work at 

2017-03-11 11:25:16.093	Georgia Tech is this notion of I 

2017-03-11 11:25:22.092	used to do that, I played piano, 

2017-03-11 11:25:25.093	but that was before, fill in the 

2017-03-11 11:25:26.094	blank, before I got back. 

2017-03-11 11:25:27.093	And so, just to conversation, 

2017-03-11 11:25:31.144	lunch, lesson learned from lunch 

2017-03-11 11:25:37.138	yesterday, lunch is a great way 

2017-03-11 11:25:37.138	to start. 

2017-03-11 11:25:37.139	You start by being in a room. 

2017-03-11 11:25:40.135	What I found whether it is 

2017-03-11 11:25:42.137	engineers or engineers were also 

2017-03-11 11:25:42.137	veterans, we will start there 

2017-03-11 11:25:45.136	and then would you do? 

2017-03-11 11:25:46.137	and I am embarrassed to tell 

2017-03-11 11:25:48.136	them. 

2017-03-11 11:25:48.145	I say I am also the director of 

2017-03-11 11:25:53.175	the office of the arts, and they 

2017-03-11 11:25:54.177	said, you have an agenda. 

2017-03-11 11:25:56.181	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:25:57.178	And we let that lie. 

2017-03-11 11:26:01.176	Here is my card and they are 

2017-03-11 11:26:03.178	like, oh, did know we had arts. 

2017-03-11 11:26:07.176	They we have this conversation 

2017-03-11 11:26:10.178	and they say what you do? 

2017-03-11 11:26:10.178	And I say dance, theater. 

2017-03-11 11:26:13.224	and they say, I used to. 

2017-03-11 11:26:15.319	Well I used to play trumpet. 

2017-03-11 11:26:19.313	and I think we have those so if 

2017-03-11 11:26:23.387	you want to play the horn again, 

2017-03-11 11:26:26.388	you can. 

2017-03-11 11:26:26.389	We just found a lot of joy in 

2017-03-11 11:26:31.398	community just through the 

2017-03-11 11:26:31.398	practice of what people used to 

2017-03-11 11:26:33.389	do, or I never thought about 

2017-03-11 11:26:36.435	writing, but I have been 

2017-03-11 11:26:38.398	journaling all the time. 

2017-03-11 11:26:39.387	am I allowed to come myself an 

2017-03-11 11:26:41.387	artist? 

2017-03-11 11:26:41.388	language, equity, and welcoming 

2017-03-11 11:26:47.429	everyone into the room has been 

2017-03-11 11:26:50.477	a really important part of the 

2017-03-11 11:26:50.478	practice both at the Georgia 

2017-03-11 11:26:53.516	Institute of technology and as a 

2017-03-11 11:26:55.565	veteran as I keep going 

2017-03-11 11:26:59.564	back-and-forth between those two 

2017-03-11 11:26:59.565	things. 

2017-03-11 11:26:59.565	>> just answer the question. 

2017-03-11 11:27:02.564	I point to answer it as a 

2017-03-11 11:27:08.619	veteran that in that up in the 

2017-03-11 11:27:08.62	writing space and one who 

2017-03-11 11:27:08.62	facilitates those two spaces. 

2017-03-11 11:27:10.566	In 2008, I was -- I needed 

2017-03-11 11:27:14.597	something to do. 

2017-03-11 11:27:16.596	I ended up at a writing workshop 

2017-03-11 11:27:22.6	at New York University. 

2017-03-11 11:27:22.6	But they have been doing since

2017-03-11 11:27:30.678	20 oh eight and 20 oh nine is 

2017-03-11 11:27:31.679	creating a space for veterans of

2017-03-11 11:27:36.688	Iraq and Afghanistan to get 

2017-03-11 11:27:36.689	together and write poetry and 

2017-03-11 11:27:38.723	fiction. 

2017-03-11 11:27:38.723	I showed up and they were 

2017-03-11 11:27:41.724	teaching poetry. 

2017-03-11 11:27:41.724	I thought that was a waste of my 

2017-03-11 11:27:44.767	time. 

2017-03-11 11:27:44.768	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 11:27:44.769	It was not useful to me, the 

2017-03-11 11:27:49.813	goal was to be a federal police 

2017-03-11 11:27:51.817	officer, what do I need to know 

2017-03-11 11:27:51.817	how to write a song for? 

2017-03-11 11:27:53.813	But I found a community of 

2017-03-11 11:27:55.817	people and made friends, some of 

2017-03-11 11:27:57.816	these folks, right? 

2017-03-11 11:27:58.816	I made friends and that is why I 

2017-03-11 11:28:00.849	kept going back. 

2017-03-11 11:28:01.848	then I realized with the 

2017-03-11 11:28:05.871	exception of the person I was 

2017-03-11 11:28:05.872	working with cash shamus was a 

2017-03-11 11:28:10.889	Marine -- I was working with 

2017-03-11 11:28:12.893	seamus and he was a 

2017-03-11 11:28:19.902	Marine. 

2017-03-11 11:28:19.902	Beginning into a room like that 

2017-03-11 11:28:20.894	in learning how to process the 

2017-03-11 11:28:21.891	war through poetry was 

2017-03-11 11:28:22.892	life-changing and I ended up not 

2017-03-11 11:28:25.893	being a police officer, 

2017-03-11 11:28:25.893	obviously. 

2017-03-11 11:28:26.894	that would've been a fine 

2017-03-11 11:28:29.931	choice, but you know, I took a 

2017-03-11 11:28:30.974	different route. 

2017-03-11 11:28:30.974	now, we are able to facilitate 

2017-03-11 11:28:36.977	the source of workshops 

2017-03-11 11:28:36.977	cross-country. 

2017-03-11 11:28:36.978	and we invite folks into a 

2017-03-11 11:28:41.973	theater and give them access, 

2017-03-11 11:28:41.974	but the first thing we do is, 

2017-03-11 11:28:46.018	and I have been saying this to 

2017-03-11 11:28:46.018	the people who facilitate the 

2017-03-11 11:28:46.019	workshops is what we are doing 

2017-03-11 11:28:49.017	is building community. 

2017-03-11 11:28:49.018	these folks have now served 

2017-03-11 11:28:51.018	together, different branches, 

2017-03-11 11:28:54.018	different eras, but we are 

2017-03-11 11:28:57.066	facilitating community bringing 

2017-03-11 11:28:58.068	people in a room. 

2017-03-11 11:28:58.068	We facilitate a space where 

2017-03-11 11:29:06.066	people can build community and 

2017-03-11 11:29:09.066	make friends, right? 

2017-03-11 11:29:10.065	can we take them to the theater 

2017-03-11 11:29:14.065	so they get to see the shows 

2017-03-11 11:29:15.117	that they want to. 

2017-03-11 11:29:15.117	and we teach them a skill. 

2017-03-11 11:29:17.145	at the end of the workshop, the 

2017-03-11 11:29:19.144	goal is to be able to present at 

2017-03-11 11:29:21.153	work on a face publicly if they 

2017-03-11 11:29:25.144	want to and invite their friends 

2017-03-11 11:29:26.148	people from the community. 

2017-03-11 11:29:26.149	The first and most important 

2017-03-11 11:29:33.227	things building the community. 

2017-03-11 11:29:33.228	That is what I learned and I 

2017-03-11 11:29:33.228	learned that last year and a 

2017-03-11 11:29:35.235	real way we did our first 

2017-03-11 11:29:36.226	workshop in San Diego because 

2017-03-11 11:29:39.268	that is what I saw. 

2017-03-11 11:29:39.268	Anything else that comes out of 

2017-03-11 11:29:43.267	it is OK, but it is really 

2017-03-11 11:29:43.267	community. 

2017-03-11 11:29:43.268	>> so, I always feel of myself 

2017-03-11 11:29:52.316	in this space as a learner. 

2017-03-11 11:29:52.317	and a great joy of being in this 

2017-03-11 11:29:56.429	space since only about 2011 is 

2017-03-11 11:29:59.317	that every single day, I learned 

2017-03-11 11:30:03.32	something new that changes the 

2017-03-11 11:30:06.318	way I not only think about this 

2017-03-11 11:30:09.367	work, changes the way I do this 

2017-03-11 11:30:21.093	Changing the way I do this work. 

2017-03-11 11:30:21.093	I want to do a town -- a 

2017-03-11 11:30:24.094	timeline of how transformational 

2017-03-11 11:30:24.095	this has been. 

2017-03-11 11:30:24.095	We were invited into a dialogue. 

2017-03-11 11:30:27.099	It was happening at Walter Reed 

2017-03-11 11:30:30.094	international medical center. 

2017-03-11 11:30:32.142	The impetus was the extreme 

2017-03-11 11:30:37.152	number of wounded returning back 

2017-03-11 11:30:40.147	from Iraq and Afghanistan. 

2017-03-11 11:30:40.148	But serious physical and 

2017-03-11 11:30:46.152	psychological injuries. 

2017-03-11 11:30:46.152	The arts had a long history of 

2017-03-11 11:30:50.181	being part of -- more theaters 

2017-03-11 11:30:55.173	being part of the military and 

2017-03-11 11:31:00.174	coming from a civilian 

2017-03-11 11:31:03.173	population and everything that 

2017-03-11 11:31:03.174	is said about the great tragedy

2017-03-11 11:31:10.215	to bridge this civilian gap. 

2017-03-11 11:31:10.215	It manifests -- it manifests in 

2017-03-11 11:31:16.257	serious ways. 

2017-03-11 11:31:16.258	When we first had this dialogue 

2017-03-11 11:31:22.258	we had arts and healing for 

2017-03-11 11:31:23.26	wounded warriors. 

2017-03-11 11:31:23.26	They were able to bring in a 

2017-03-11 11:31:28.259	veteran population together with 

2017-03-11 11:31:32.258	the creative class and healing 

2017-03-11 11:31:36.258	professionals. 

2017-03-11 11:31:36.258	What we learned from that 

2017-03-11 11:31:43.301	dialogue is if you want to help 

2017-03-11 11:31:44.303	the wounded warrior, you don't 

2017-03-11 11:31:46.299	stop there. 

2017-03-11 11:31:46.299	You have to look at the circle 

2017-03-11 11:31:49.302	of caregivers. 

2017-03-11 11:31:49.302	Then we started looking at the 

2017-03-11 11:32:01.301	continuum of the arts. 

2017-03-11 11:32:01.302	The helium -- the healing 

2017-03-11 11:32:12.348	continuum is one part of the 

2017-03-11 11:32:12.348	larger ecosystem that needs to 

2017-03-11 11:32:19.4	be thrust together and knees to 

2017-03-11 11:32:20.398	be looked at as the ultimate 

2017-03-11 11:32:21.418	holistic system. 

2017-03-11 11:32:21.419	What I started to learn is 

2017-03-11 11:32:27.397	creative arts therapists, those 

2017-03-11 11:32:30.395	working in art and music therapy

2017-03-11 11:32:34.396	, we are going to hear a lot 

2017-03-11 11:32:34.396	more about that. 

2017-03-11 11:32:34.397	They have not necessarily been 

2017-03-11 11:32:39.408	to this dish been new to this 

2017-03-11 11:32:42.395	environment but they are part of 

2017-03-11 11:32:44.395	a closed system that doesn't 

2017-03-11 11:32:44.396	necessarily allow their work and 

2017-03-11 11:32:47.397	benefits to be as visible as we 

2017-03-11 11:32:51.406	have the luxury of being on the 

2017-03-11 11:32:52.43	nonprofit side. 

2017-03-11 11:32:52.43	When you look at the 

2017-03-11 11:32:56.468	manifestations of that, there is

2017-03-11 11:33:04.513	a handful's of creative arts 

2017-03-11 11:33:05.512	therapists working in V.A.'s. 

2017-03-11 11:33:08.511	And the expression of that, I 

2017-03-11 11:33:15.512	was introduced by a very long 

2017-03-11 11:33:17.512	serving service organization, 

2017-03-11 11:33:22.513	largest volunteer Association,

2017-03-11 11:33:26.513	women who had been supporting 

2017-03-11 11:33:28.556	arts in our medical facilities 

2017-03-11 11:33:28.556	for a very long time. 

2017-03-11 11:33:28.557	The first time I went to the 

2017-03-11 11:33:39.563	festival is the culmination of a 

2017-03-11 11:33:40.555	lot of work that happens. 

2017-03-11 11:33:42.556	A lot of work. 

2017-03-11 11:33:44.555	We were able to tour the exhibit

2017-03-11 11:33:56.597	and see the performances. 

2017-03-11 11:33:56.597	What I was struck by, this was 

2017-03-11 11:34:04.648	probably 2012 through 2013, each 

2017-03-11 11:34:09.646	and every one of the service 

2017-03-11 11:34:09.647	members -- it was completely 

2017-03-11 11:34:12.648	intergenerational. 

2017-03-11 11:34:12.648	From Vietnam to Gulf War, 

2017-03-11 11:34:18.649	whoever was part of this larger 

2017-03-11 11:34:18.649	system. 

2017-03-11 11:34:18.65	The Iraq and Afghanistan 

2017-03-11 11:34:22.696	conflicts sadly, but also 

2017-03-11 11:34:27.698	positively initiated a different 

2017-03-11 11:34:32.699	kind of conversation that allows 

2017-03-11 11:34:33.699	us into an intergenerational 

2017-03-11 11:34:33.699	space. 

2017-03-11 11:34:33.7	When I talked with every single 

2017-03-11 11:34:39.726	one they may have started out 

2017-03-11 11:34:43.764	that art is therapeutic when 

2017-03-11 11:34:48.898	they were in front of their 

2017-03-11 11:34:48.898	artwork describing what they 

2017-03-11 11:34:52.903	were doing, they were talking as 

2017-03-11 11:34:53.95	artists. 

2017-03-11 11:34:53.951	Further proving that along the 

2017-03-11 11:34:57.947	continuum, patient artist, there 

2017-03-11 11:35:05.955	is a gallery in my local arts 

2017-03-11 11:35:08.948	district. 

2017-03-11 11:35:11.973	I'm going to be in a show or I'm 

2017-03-11 11:35:12.975	going to be doing this. 

2017-03-11 11:35:16.017	We fast forwarding number of 

2017-03-11 11:35:20.019	years. 

2017-03-11 11:35:24.017	I start to meet all the fabulous 

2017-03-11 11:35:30.018	veteran artists out there. 

2017-03-11 11:35:30.018	I learned from people where -- 

2017-03-11 11:35:39.098	it's a fallacy to say you have 

2017-03-11 11:35:42.103	to bring arts to service members 

2017-03-11 11:35:42.104	and veterans. 

2017-03-11 11:35:42.104	When we had the draft, artists 

2017-03-11 11:35:48.101	were drafted. 

2017-03-11 11:35:48.102	You return to what you do. 

2017-03-11 11:35:51.102	When people return, it's a 

2017-03-11 11:36:00.101	fallacy that the arts are only 

2017-03-11 11:36:01.102	about therapy and therapeutic

2017-03-11 11:36:04.108	and educational. 

2017-03-11 11:36:04.108	I wholly endorse the brilliance 

2017-03-11 11:36:10.157	of we need those veteran voices 

2017-03-11 11:36:14.149	and experience, because we have 

2017-03-11 11:36:15.153	a populace that is largely 

2017-03-11 11:36:16.15	clueless and uneducated. 

2017-03-11 11:36:16.15	We need the voices about 

2017-03-11 11:36:20.149	engagement. 

2017-03-11 11:36:20.15	We also need to know for our own 

2017-03-11 11:36:25.197	creative industry -- and I'll 

2017-03-11 11:36:28.2	credit this quotes to a former 

2017-03-11 11:36:32.201	state poet laureate in Carolina

2017-03-11 11:36:38.202	who made veteran issues his 

2017-03-11 11:36:38.202	project. 

2017-03-11 11:36:38.203	In his mind the stories coming 

2017-03-11 11:36:44.229	out from veterans are some of 

2017-03-11 11:36:46.233	the most significant historical 

2017-03-11 11:36:46.233	underpinnings about what is 

2017-03-11 11:36:50.23	going to be our cultural voice. 

2017-03-11 11:36:50.231	We need to look at how we 

2017-03-11 11:36:57.227	elevate those voices and support 

2017-03-11 11:36:57.228	those voices. 

2017-03-11 11:36:57.229	>> going to hand you this here. 

2017-03-11 11:37:04.277	>> a great comment. 

2017-03-11 11:37:07.272	People who did get drafted were 

2017-03-11 11:37:12.281	many things. 

2017-03-11 11:37:16.27	As I think about the art and all 

2017-03-11 11:37:20.276	the other facets of human life 

2017-03-11 11:37:22.275	and how we can get difference 

2017-03-11 11:37:22.276	and make a change, two words 

2017-03-11 11:37:27.354	that come to me is change agent. 

2017-03-11 11:37:27.355	I think that's what we should 

2017-03-11 11:37:34.357	see our self as. 

2017-03-11 11:37:34.358	What I'm trained to work on is 

2017-03-11 11:37:38.357	to be that change that you want 

2017-03-11 11:37:41.361	everything else to be. 

2017-03-11 11:37:41.362	That's where it really happens. 

2017-03-11 11:37:46.357	I've seen over the years how 

2017-03-11 11:37:55.45	that happens, how it works. 

2017-03-11 11:37:55.451	We talk about how we can 

2017-03-11 11:38:03.451	actually make a change. 

2017-03-11 11:38:03.451	When we go home, it's like art

2017-03-11 11:38:14.524	-- people thinks little and less 

2017-03-11 11:38:14.525	of you. 

2017-03-11 11:38:14.525	If you don't express yourself, 

2017-03-11 11:38:17.528	your true self -- my granddaddy 

2017-03-11 11:38:20.522	used to say it's easy to be 

2017-03-11 11:38:24.527	black in a black community. 

2017-03-11 11:38:24.527	But it's not quite easy when you 

2017-03-11 11:38:29.537	are around other people. 

2017-03-11 11:38:29.537	They are saying names and you 

2017-03-11 11:38:32.524	have to say that ain't cool. 

2017-03-11 11:38:35.525	They may fire you or do 

2017-03-11 11:38:38.568	whatever. 

2017-03-11 11:38:38.569	I've want us from now on to say 

2017-03-11 11:38:46.606	what ain't cool from people who 

2017-03-11 11:38:48.608	need to hear it. 

2017-03-11 11:38:48.608	That's a change agent. 

2017-03-11 11:38:51.608	And it Vietnam -- I'm in Vietnam 

2017-03-11 11:38:57.607	sitting around, and all the 

2017-03-11 11:39:01.608	guys, Latinos, and he and 

2017-03-11 11:39:01.608	Americans from Tennessee, 

2017-03-11 11:39:04.609	Mississippi, Alabama, we're 

2017-03-11 11:39:08.652	sitting around and saying this 

2017-03-11 11:39:08.653	is crazy. 

2017-03-11 11:39:08.653	What are we doing in Vietnam? 

2017-03-11 11:39:14.656	One said no Vietnamese has ever 

2017-03-11 11:39:17.7	called me nigger. 

2017-03-11 11:39:19.704	This story is very seldom told. 

2017-03-11 11:39:21.704	You knew that can state kids 

2017-03-11 11:39:30.706	were getting killed because of 

2017-03-11 11:39:30.706	Vietnam. 

2017-03-11 11:39:33.737	Even in Vietnam, people driving 

2017-03-11 11:39:37.777	tanks and shooting planes and

2017-03-11 11:39:40.776	M-16s and whatever, they were 

2017-03-11 11:39:44.777	saying this is crazy. 

2017-03-11 11:39:44.778	We united in Vietnam. 

2017-03-11 11:39:47.781	Look at the movie called Sir, 

2017-03-11 11:39:52.807	yes sir, or knows Sir. 

2017-03-11 11:39:55.777	They were saying the same thing 

2017-03-11 11:40:01.777	they were same to everywhere. 

2017-03-11 11:40:01.778	He may turn that tank around. 

2017-03-11 11:40:05.82	And when he's driving a B-52 and 

2017-03-11 11:40:13.818	said this is crazy, he turns 

2017-03-11 11:40:15.82	that plan around. 

2017-03-11 11:40:15.82	I used to wear an Afro. 

2017-03-11 11:40:22.822	You need a certain kind of 

2017-03-11 11:40:26.862	hairstyle in the Air Force. 

2017-03-11 11:40:28.905	I had my family send me some 

2017-03-11 11:40:28.906	tuxedos, real thick grease. 

2017-03-11 11:40:31.905	I had my hair down and all the 

2017-03-11 11:40:35.912	rest. 

2017-03-11 11:40:35.913	Every night when I would go -- I 

2017-03-11 11:40:40.906	was in the Air Force as a 

2017-03-11 11:40:40.907	security policemen. 

2017-03-11 11:40:40.907	They were always saying 

2017-03-11 11:40:46.957	something about my hair. 

2017-03-11 11:40:46.958	Could you please cut your hair?

2017-03-11 11:40:53.96	this is in Vietnam. 

2017-03-11 11:40:53.961	I came in one morning -- I asked 

2017-03-11 11:41:01.028	him, do you know how to shave 

2017-03-11 11:41:02.031	heads. 

2017-03-11 11:41:02.031	He said yes I do. 

2017-03-11 11:41:02.031	I said I wanted to shave my 

2017-03-11 11:41:05.029	head. 

2017-03-11 11:41:05.03	He said what? I said if I can't 

2017-03-11 11:41:09.029	wear my hair the way they want 

2017-03-11 11:41:09.03	to wear my hair, I'm not going 

2017-03-11 11:41:14.031	to have any here at new -- at 

2017-03-11 11:41:17.029	all. 

2017-03-11 11:41:17.03	When we came to work that night,

2017-03-11 11:41:25.116	there were 545 people. 

2017-03-11 11:41:27.115	Change agents, I'm talking about 

2017-03-11 11:41:33.115	being a change agent. 

2017-03-11 11:41:34.113	That's what I'm talking about. 

2017-03-11 11:41:34.114	They all shaved their heads. 

2017-03-11 11:41:36.113	About four or five guys didn't 

2017-03-11 11:41:40.113	shave their heads. 

2017-03-11 11:41:40.114	The next day we have orders to 

2017-03-11 11:41:43.116	be separated. 

2017-03-11 11:41:43.117	The next day they sent me to --  

2017-03-11 11:41:50.113	They separated us. 

2017-03-11 11:41:53.118	I'm just saying that using the 

2017-03-11 11:42:02.113	arts is one thing. 

2017-03-11 11:42:03.115	But use your life. 

2017-03-11 11:42:06.116	If you don't like what is going 

2017-03-11 11:42:10.207	on, change it. 

2017-03-11 11:42:11.256	But don't be afraid. 

2017-03-11 11:42:15.257	Don't be afraid to say it in 

2017-03-11 11:42:19.256	front of other people who may 

2017-03-11 11:42:21.262	think something is wrong with 

2017-03-11 11:42:22.258	you because there something 

2017-03-11 11:42:22.259	wrong with them. 

2017-03-11 11:42:22.26	Something wrong with all of us. 

2017-03-11 11:42:24.257	I got on the bus the other day. 

2017-03-11 11:42:30.283	Turn 70 the 10th of February. 

2017-03-11 11:42:37.285	This guy said to me, European

2017-03-11 11:42:43.284	American young guy, he said we 

2017-03-11 11:42:43.285	the same. 

2017-03-11 11:42:46.285	I said we sure are. 

2017-03-11 11:42:46.285	He said people are scared of 

2017-03-11 11:42:51.286	you. 

2017-03-11 11:42:51.286	I said why? 

2017-03-11 11:42:51.287	He said, because you're 

2017-03-11 11:42:56.283	different. 

2017-03-11 11:42:56.284	I said everybody on this bus is 

2017-03-11 11:42:56.284	different. 

2017-03-11 11:42:56.285	Nobody on this bus is the same. 

2017-03-11 11:42:59.285	We're different, but let's just 

2017-03-11 11:43:06.282	-- let's make our differences -- 

2017-03-11 11:43:07.286	>> Nolan, I want to let you jump 

2017-03-11 11:43:13.368	in because we are only to get -- 

2017-03-11 11:43:18.366	only going to get to one 

2017-03-11 11:43:18.366	question. 

2017-03-11 11:43:18.367	It was a really good question. 

2017-03-11 11:43:22.366	>> Thanks so much. 

2017-03-11 11:43:26.372	I think we see the power of it. 

2017-03-11 11:43:34.366	I feel obligated to make you 

2017-03-11 11:43:46.421	know -- I consider myself being 

2017-03-11 11:43:54.412	exceptionally blessed. 

2017-03-11 11:43:54.418	I have to think you for your 

2017-03-11 11:43:56.419	service. 

2017-03-11 11:43:56.42	I feel a special commitment to 

2017-03-11 11:43:59.458	say that to you, whatever may 

2017-03-11 11:44:03.458	resonate with you. 

2017-03-11 11:44:03.459	It leads to the power of the 

2017-03-11 11:44:09.461	arts. 

2017-03-11 11:44:09.462	It creates a pathway for 

2017-03-11 11:44:15.51	experience between the two 

2017-03-11 11:44:18.507	communities. 

2017-03-11 11:44:18.508	And experience is the core of 

2017-03-11 11:44:24.507	what I realize that -- I didn't 

2017-03-11 11:44:30.508	take it into my day to day 

2017-03-11 11:44:30.508	existence as a soldier. 

2017-03-11 11:44:30.509	When I changed commanders the 

2017-03-11 11:44:37.537	Sergeant major Cayman. 

2017-03-11 11:44:40.539	An artist in my community, in my 

2017-03-11 11:44:47.538	command had decided to --  

2017-03-11 11:44:52.547	I was the most home person in 

2017-03-11 11:44:58.581	the world, I was totally 

2017-03-11 11:44:58.582	embarrassed. 

2017-03-11 11:44:58.583	Artists are in the military. 

2017-03-11 11:45:04.584	I later became Chief of Staff. 

2017-03-11 11:45:06.584	The boss came in and says I want 

2017-03-11 11:45:09.581	to create a band. 

2017-03-11 11:45:09.581	It was a joint organization. 

2017-03-11 11:45:14.592	We put a call out saying we are 

2017-03-11 11:45:20.626	creating a band, we want to use 

2017-03-11 11:45:23.622	this as a tool. 

2017-03-11 11:45:23.623	Two or three of them had guitars 

2017-03-11 11:45:30.624	they didn't know they had. 

2017-03-11 11:45:34.623	Three months later we were 

2017-03-11 11:45:34.624	touring. 

2017-03-11 11:45:36.626	It really was a huge experience. 

2017-03-11 11:45:39.624	The power of the arts creates a 

2017-03-11 11:45:45.666	pathway for experience within 

2017-03-11 11:45:45.667	communities. 

2017-03-11 11:45:45.667	I think that is important with 

2017-03-11 11:45:50.665	military communities today. 

2017-03-11 11:45:50.665	Many heard me say I think there 

2017-03-11 11:45:56.668	is more similarity than there is 

2017-03-11 11:45:56.668	disparity. 

2017-03-11 11:45:56.669	I would ask you to think about 

2017-03-11 11:45:59.666	this for a moment. 

2017-03-11 11:45:59.667	What is the difference between 

2017-03-11 11:46:04.667	Sandy Hook, the battle for 

2017-03-11 11:46:04.668	Fallujah, and the crisis we are 

2017-03-11 11:46:09.665	experiencing with this police 

2017-03-11 11:46:09.666	force in our community? 

2017-03-11 11:46:14.713	What's the difference and what 

2017-03-11 11:46:14.713	commonality on that? I think the 

2017-03-11 11:46:18.76	fact that there is trauma across 

2017-03-11 11:46:19.763	all of that spectrum means that 

2017-03-11 11:46:23.761	what military service members 

2017-03-11 11:46:24.76	are experiencing are similar to 

2017-03-11 11:46:25.762	what our great schoolkids are -- 

2017-03-11 11:46:28.761	our great schoolkids -- our 

2017-03-11 11:46:30.76	grade school kids are 

2017-03-11 11:46:33.791	experiencing. 

2017-03-11 11:46:33.792	There is a huge connection in my 

2017-03-11 11:46:40.886	mind right now. 

2017-03-11 11:46:40.886	It comes back to this notion 

2017-03-11 11:46:44.877	that powerful arts creates this 

2017-03-11 11:46:44.878	pathway for experience versus 

2017-03-11 11:46:48.875	star communicating, sharing 

2017-03-11 11:46:48.876	those experiences, one should be 

2017-03-11 11:46:51.877	on the stand of communication -- 

2017-03-11 11:46:53.877	should be kept on the stand. 

2017-03-11 11:46:53.878	One of the powerful thoughts 

2017-03-11 11:46:58.875	that came to my mind was a group 

2017-03-11 11:47:00.879	was talking and someone said 

2017-03-11 11:47:00.88	this. 

2017-03-11 11:47:00.88	I think it is this idea that 

2017-03-11 11:47:04.917	whatever you do as an artist or 

2017-03-11 11:47:05.92	whatever we try to do as a 

2017-03-11 11:47:06.917	community of artists, at the 

2017-03-11 11:47:09.922	time you are creating -- they 

2017-03-11 11:47:14.921	are always creating. 

2017-03-11 11:47:14.922	I understand that now more than 

2017-03-11 11:47:14.923	ever. 

2017-03-11 11:47:14.923	Would you be intentional about 

2017-03-11 11:47:21.925	collaborating with the military? 

2017-03-11 11:47:21.926	Make collaboration and 

2017-03-11 11:47:26.92	intentional part of your 

2017-03-11 11:47:26.921	creativity. 

2017-03-11 11:47:26.921	That is when you are going to 

2017-03-11 11:47:32.962	draw that experience very early 

2017-03-11 11:47:32.962	on that the trace itself -- that 

2017-03-11 11:47:35.963	portrays itself. 

2017-03-11 11:47:35.964	>> this is great. 

2017-03-11 11:47:38.96	Just a couple of things to say. 

2017-03-11 11:47:40.961	It is interesting that in some 

2017-03-11 11:47:46.012	ways this gathering is premised 

2017-03-11 11:47:50.011	a bit on the notion of divide. 

2017-03-11 11:47:50.012	There are differences in these 

2017-03-11 11:47:55.014	communities and we are trying to 

2017-03-11 11:47:55.015	bridge that. 

2017-03-11 11:47:55.016	This conversation up tens that 

2017-03-11 11:48:01.048	notion about the real connection 

2017-03-11 11:48:02.047	that exists and it is elevating 

2017-03-11 11:48:04.048	those connections versus 

2017-03-11 11:48:06.044	starting the divide. 

2017-03-11 11:48:06.044	I feel that is really great. 

2017-03-11 11:48:09.058	You and this on an important 

2017-03-11 11:48:12.047	point about the way we do this 

2017-03-11 11:48:17.045	work well, how do we do it well 

2017-03-11 11:48:18.047	together? 

2017-03-11 11:48:18.047	That feels like where this 

2017-03-11 11:48:21.06	conversation is heading. 

2017-03-11 11:48:22.088	True for every single person 

2017-03-11 11:48:30.089	that sits in the room, the 

2017-03-11 11:48:34.088	fundamental need to be the voice 

2017-03-11 11:48:35.09	of our own story. 

2017-03-11 11:48:35.09	I put those things out there. 

2017-03-11 11:48:41.089	What we are going to do is shift 

2017-03-11 11:48:43.089	gears. 

2017-03-11 11:48:43.09	We are going to stop talking 

2017-03-11 11:48:44.089	amongst ourselves with 

2017-03-11 11:48:44.09	microphones and you will go back 

2017-03-11 11:48:48.129	to your seats and we will open 

2017-03-11 11:48:49.174	us up to a broader conversation. 

2017-03-11 11:48:49.174	Think you much for that. 

2017-03-11 11:48:51.215	[APPLAUSE] 

2017-03-11 11:48:52.213	The way we are going to do this 

2017-03-11 11:49:23.314	is we are going to have to 

2017-03-11 11:49:23.314	microphones. 

2017-03-11 11:49:23.315	I'm going to try to help our 

2017-03-11 11:49:27.314	great tech person today. 

2017-03-11 11:49:27.315	I will have you in a one to 

2017-03-11 11:49:30.341	order and we will use two 

2017-03-11 11:49:36.357	microphones. 

2017-03-11 11:49:36.358	If Teedo people could raise 

2017-03-11 11:49:37.343	their hands at a time. 

2017-03-11 11:49:39.342	There is one and who wants to 

2017-03-11 11:49:40.341	meet a comment after? 

2017-03-11 11:49:40.341	>> Thank you panel for kind of 

2017-03-11 11:49:51.384	talking about the importance of 

2017-03-11 11:49:51.385	military in the arts. 

2017-03-11 11:49:53.38	One of the things I have been 

2017-03-11 11:49:58.39	doing as I have been involved in 

2017-03-11 11:49:58.391	this work is -- I'm not a very, 

2017-03-11 11:50:03.383	the same -- this is clear to

2017-03-11 11:50:10.465	you, but I made a commitment 

2017-03-11 11:50:11.466	that when I got in front of 

2017-03-11 11:50:11.467	prominent individuals, I would 

2017-03-11 11:50:18.469	challenge them specifically with 

2017-03-11 11:50:18.47	the question surrounding art in 

2017-03-11 11:50:18.47	the military. 

2017-03-11 11:50:18.471	I'm happy to report that 

2017-03-11 11:50:23.468	officers like General Petraeus

2017-03-11 11:50:28.471	and in national security adviser 

2017-03-11 11:50:28.471	had the opportunity to bend the 

2017-03-11 11:50:29.467	ear of, when you challenged with 

2017-03-11 11:50:33.486	anecdotes about the election of 

2017-03-11 11:50:37.515	art in the military, everyone 

2017-03-11 11:50:38.593	has one. 

2017-03-11 11:50:39.573	My favorite one is former collet 

2017-03-11 11:50:41.58	aunt of the military. 

2017-03-11 11:50:41.58	He was tasked with going into 

2017-03-11 11:50:48.567	has below -- into Hezbollah. 

2017-03-11 11:50:54.565	He was in the Pentagon and 

2017-03-11 11:51:04.639	going around and touting 

2017-03-11 11:51:04.64	cultural diplomacy. 

2017-03-11 11:51:04.64	His

2017-03-11 11:51:04.64	 >> who is next up? 

2017-03-11 11:51:49.844	>> I'm going to speak sitting 

2017-03-11 11:51:54.933	down. 

2017-03-11 11:51:54.934	I kind of want to respond back 

2017-03-11 11:51:58.932	about how does the Laurier 

2017-03-11 11:52:00.932	community and the artistic 

2017-03-11 11:52:03.929	community work? 

2017-03-11 11:52:03.929	In my example -- there are some 

2017-03-11 11:52:11.948	of us that are intermediaries. 

2017-03-11 11:52:11.948	We were veterans and had 

2017-03-11 11:52:15.931	cultural capital. 

2017-03-11 11:52:18.929	We have generals and sergeant 

2017-03-11 11:52:23.973	majors we can talk to every day. 

2017-03-11 11:52:23.974	Yet through these forums and the 

2017-03-11 11:52:28.972	work we do, we also start to 

2017-03-11 11:52:33.973	build some of that. 

2017-03-11 11:52:33.974	One thing about cultural 

2017-03-11 11:52:37.974	capital, it is transferable. 

2017-03-11 11:52:37.975	I can go to the general and say

2017-03-11 11:52:43.015	we are bringing bass track live

2017-03-11 11:52:46.017	to our campus theater, we want 

2017-03-11 11:52:50.017	to bring the cast out to your 

2017-03-11 11:52:50.018	post. 

2017-03-11 11:52:50.019	He would trust my opinion that 

2017-03-11 11:52:54.017	that is appropriate more than 

2017-03-11 11:52:59.068	his entertainment director as a 

2017-03-11 11:52:59.068	government employee. 

2017-03-11 11:52:59.069	The point is how we do this work 

2017-03-11 11:53:06.07	moving forward is we need to 

2017-03-11 11:53:06.071	develop more intermediaries, 

2017-03-11 11:53:08.068	people that have cultural 

2017-03-11 11:53:08.069	capital on both sides of the 

2017-03-11 11:53:11.07	artistic community. 

2017-03-11 11:53:13.067	That helps everyone. 

2017-03-11 11:53:15.099	And very flattering how my role 

2017-03-11 11:53:20.097	was. 

2017-03-11 11:53:22.097	I got to do things it was hard 

2017-03-11 11:53:26.101	for her to do, heart for the 

2017-03-11 11:53:29.103	presenter to do, heart for the 

2017-03-11 11:53:31.11	booking agents, hard for the 

2017-03-11 11:53:31.11	creative people, but I got 

2017-03-11 11:53:34.101	things done for them that they 

2017-03-11 11:53:35.103	couldn't do for themselves. 

2017-03-11 11:53:35.104	That is a role that should be 

2017-03-11 11:53:38.104	developed and talked about. 

2017-03-11 11:53:38.105	Who is your intermediary after 

2017-03-11 11:53:42.181	you choose a project? 

2017-03-11 11:53:42.182	>> Thank you. 

2017-03-11 11:53:46.184	>> I am so glad that -- yes. 

2017-03-11 11:54:03.232	looking right at me. 

2017-03-11 11:54:04.27	You made a comment in regards to 

2017-03-11 11:54:09.357	the school community and what is 

2017-03-11 11:54:13.354	going on with the war and 

2017-03-11 11:54:13.354	difference with the war. 

2017-03-11 11:54:13.355	I will tell you why, a dilemma I 

2017-03-11 11:54:19.355	go through. 

2017-03-11 11:54:19.356	In the land of pretend I play an 

2017-03-11 11:54:24.35	Iraq veteran. 

2017-03-11 11:54:25.353	One of the dilemmas that I was 

2017-03-11 11:54:33.392	running into even last night and 

2017-03-11 11:54:38.394	things like that is my mentality

2017-03-11 11:54:42.392	with regards to this particular 

2017-03-11 11:54:43.396	character, this particular 

2017-03-11 11:54:43.396	soldier and so forth. 

2017-03-11 11:54:43.397	There is a lot of concentration 

2017-03-11 11:54:47.398	on mastery being something I am 

2017-03-11 11:54:49.395	clearly not. 

2017-03-11 11:54:49.396	Am I sitting right, am I looking 

2017-03-11 11:54:54.437	right, is that how your head 

2017-03-11 11:54:55.435	goes? 

2017-03-11 11:54:55.436	There is this dilemma that has 

2017-03-11 11:55:00.569	grown with me through the 

2017-03-11 11:55:00.57	process that we have to talk out 

2017-03-11 11:55:03.616	consistently as a cast is this 

2017-03-11 11:55:09.573	us and them. 

2017-03-11 11:55:09.574	I can't seem to get right being 

2017-03-11 11:55:14.588	one of them. 

2017-03-11 11:55:17.571	Them. 

2017-03-11 11:55:19.621	And what I have gradually 

2017-03-11 11:55:24.645	learned throughout the process 

2017-03-11 11:55:25.663	of this role and interaction 

2017-03-11 11:55:25.664	with veterans and the military 

2017-03-11 11:55:26.655	community and workshops and 

2017-03-11 11:55:32.645	folks with PTSD is this, we are 

2017-03-11 11:55:34.646	the same. 

2017-03-11 11:55:37.647	It's the same pain, same trauma

2017-03-11 11:55:44.645	same everything. 

2017-03-11 11:55:44.645	I could totally be a human 

2017-03-11 11:55:49.689	being. 

2017-03-11 11:55:49.689	I'm so glad you began the 

2017-03-11 11:55:57.731	conversation with the fabric of 

2017-03-11 11:55:57.731	that. 

2017-03-11 11:55:57.732	We are try and walk those 

2017-03-11 11:56:03.73	characters out to remain human. 

2017-03-11 11:56:03.731	>>

2017-03-11 11:56:03.731	>> maybe because I'm sitting on 

2017-03-11 11:56:22.821	the outer circle I want to ask a 

2017-03-11 11:56:22.821	question as an outsider. 

2017-03-11 11:56:25.822	We talk about a military and 

2017-03-11 11:56:32.873	nonmilitary that are often -- 

2017-03-11 11:56:37.871	there is this gap there. 

2017-03-11 11:56:37.872	I would like us to see this 

2017-03-11 11:56:43.875	conflict, this gap in a larger 

2017-03-11 11:56:47.871	context of our society, which 

2017-03-11 11:56:53.881	sees many communities as the 

2017-03-11 11:56:53.882	other. 

2017-03-11 11:56:53.883	We are trying to figure out as a 

2017-03-11 11:57:01.879	society how can we live together

2017-03-11 11:57:07.902	? 

2017-03-11 11:57:07.903	How can we find what we have in 

2017-03-11 11:57:10.942	common and build on that? 

2017-03-11 11:57:10.942	That's what I feel like I want 

2017-03-11 11:57:13.983	to do as an artist and what many 

2017-03-11 11:57:15.984	of us here are trying to do. 

2017-03-11 11:57:21.982	I'm trying to expand the 

2017-03-11 11:57:21.983	question, make the military the 

2017-03-11 11:57:27.986	intentional partner in your 

2017-03-11 11:57:27.987	collaboration. 

2017-03-11 11:57:27.987	We now live in a society where 

2017-03-11 11:57:35.984	Muslims get attacked on the 

2017-03-11 11:57:35.985	street. 

2017-03-11 11:57:35.986	She can't deal with the stress 

2017-03-11 11:57:43.026	anymore and her life being 

2017-03-11 11:57:46.031	turned upside down. 

2017-03-11 11:57:49.025	These issues are part of a 

2017-03-11 11:57:57.026	larger issue. 

2017-03-11 11:57:57.027	We want to hear our stories told 

2017-03-11 11:57:58.025	on stage. 

2017-03-11 11:57:58.025	That is very important for 

2017-03-11 11:58:03.077	veterans to tell their story on 

2017-03-11 11:58:04.073	stage. 

2017-03-11 11:58:04.073	Can they sit in a theater and 

2017-03-11 11:58:07.074	listen to the story of an Iraqi, 

2017-03-11 11:58:11.073	of an Afghan, of a Muslim? 

2017-03-11 11:58:11.074	If we can't do that we can't 

2017-03-11 11:58:14.13	learn to live together and that 

2017-03-11 11:58:18.129	is the larger issue or all of 

2017-03-11 11:58:21.137	these questions sit. 

2017-03-11 11:58:21.138	>> some thoughts on that, we 

2017-03-11 11:58:31.15	will let other people get to 

2017-03-11 11:58:31.151	that with more well thought out

2017-03-11 11:58:35.15	-- there was one question asked 

2017-03-11 11:58:35.151	of us given the moment we are in 

2017-03-11 11:58:40.152	were throwing out there, is it 

2017-03-11 11:58:42.152	possible to be critical of the 

2017-03-11 11:58:42.153	military and still work as an 

2017-03-11 11:58:45.16	artist in collaboration with 

2017-03-11 11:58:45.161	you? 

2017-03-11 11:58:45.161	Or are their boundaries around 

2017-03-11 11:58:51.195	subject matters that can be 

2017-03-11 11:58:52.194	taken on by artists? 

2017-03-11 11:58:52.195	I will concede my age. 

2017-03-11 11:59:00.235	I haven't experienced this 

2017-03-11 11:59:01.237	globally but there have been 

2017-03-11 11:59:01.237	peaks and troughs for support 

2017-03-11 11:59:04.241	for veterans. 

2017-03-11 11:59:04.242	Vietnam was a low point, Iraq 

2017-03-11 11:59:09.237	and Afghanistan was a relative 

2017-03-11 11:59:09.238	high point. 

2017-03-11 11:59:11.237	I started to experience this, 

2017-03-11 11:59:16.24	potentially the start of the 

2017-03-11 11:59:16.241	trough with the administration 

2017-03-11 11:59:21.237	coming in and some zeroth -- 

2017-03-11 11:59:24.325	zero so mentality -- zero-sum 

2017-03-11 11:59:27.329	mentality. 

2017-03-11 11:59:31.323	I think what is so important is 

2017-03-11 11:59:39.33	to actually find the artist who 

2017-03-11 11:59:42.378	may not be supportive of the 

2017-03-11 11:59:42.379	military. 

2017-03-11 11:59:42.38	I want to work with people who 

2017-03-11 11:59:48.377	have never worked with the 

2017-03-11 11:59:48.378	military. 

2017-03-11 11:59:48.378	My concern is we go back to that 

2017-03-11 11:59:55.382	place and we do what we are 

2017-03-11 11:59:59.403	doing right now with local law 

2017-03-11 12:00:00.405	enforcement officers. 

2017-03-11 12:00:00.406	I will concede I don't 

2017-03-11 12:00:09.408	experience the brunt of the 

2017-03-11 12:00:09.409	criminal justice system. 

2017-03-11 12:00:09.41	But I know there are humans and 

2017-03-11 12:00:15.491	police officers doing their job 

2017-03-11 12:00:15.491	in the system. 

2017-03-11 12:00:15.492	We dehumanize the veteran 

2017-03-11 12:00:23.493	service member in the same way 

2017-03-11 12:00:25.489	we do -- in the same way we do 

2017-03-11 12:00:29.496	with our police officer. 

2017-03-11 12:00:29.497	That's why wanted to invite 

2017-03-11 12:00:35.499	these people who may not have 

2017-03-11 12:00:36.492	the connection to speak to their 

2017-03-11 12:00:36.493	constituencies. 

2017-03-11 12:00:38.491	>> you raise an interesting 

2017-03-11 12:00:41.534	question. 

2017-03-11 12:00:43.576	That question we didn't get to 

2017-03-11 12:00:48.578	about what are the topics we can 

2017-03-11 12:00:48.579	take on in part stems from 

2017-03-11 12:00:53.627	trespassing on government pop -- 

2017-03-11 12:00:55.627	government property when I was 

2017-03-11 12:01:01.628	in my 20's. 

2017-03-11 12:01:02.625	Having some strong feelings 

2017-03-11 12:01:04.625	about the military at that time. 

2017-03-11 12:01:05.627	I wonder if we can talk about 

2017-03-11 12:01:09.656	that a little bit. 

2017-03-11 12:01:09.657	We may want to go here, what are 

2017-03-11 12:01:17.66	the things that are real 

2017-03-11 12:01:18.658	challenges in terms of that 

2017-03-11 12:01:18.659	connection? 

2017-03-11 12:01:18.66	Did I miss some of the house? 

2017-03-11 12:01:23.658	>> Arizona State University. 

2017-03-11 12:01:36.743	I have heard an incredible 

2017-03-11 12:01:36.743	amount of information in the 

2017-03-11 12:01:36.744	past day and a half. 

2017-03-11 12:01:39.759	Overwhelmingly so. 

2017-03-11 12:01:41.745	We have done a lot of work with 

2017-03-11 12:01:46.743	the military in the past 20 

2017-03-11 12:01:48.744	years with regard to programs, 

2017-03-11 12:01:52.744	Quad from Oteri families and 

2017-03-11 12:01:53.743	working with wonderful artists. 

2017-03-11 12:01:53.744	Based track, carpetbag, holding 

2017-03-11 12:01:59.747	it down. 

2017-03-11 12:01:59.868	In the space of being an arts 

2017-03-11 12:02:05.827	presenter on the largest State 

2017-03-11 12:02:05.827	University campus in the country

2017-03-11 12:02:11.828	and all of these large complex 

2017-03-11 12:02:12.831	issues we are talking about him, 

2017-03-11 12:02:18.879	at the end of the day I'm trying 

2017-03-11 12:02:18.879	to -- from the idea all politics 

2017-03-11 12:02:24.954	are local, somehow 

2017-03-11 12:02:31	operationalized these massive 

2017-03-11 12:02:31.001	ideas I personally cannot take 

2017-03-11 12:02:31.001	on, but I can take on pieces of 

2017-03-11 12:02:36.995	connecting people who otherwise 

2017-03-11 12:02:37.996	would not have talked to each 

2017-03-11 12:02:37.996	other. 

2017-03-11 12:02:37.997	In the best ways possible, I 

2017-03-11 12:02:45.999	invite any conversation that may 

2017-03-11 12:02:45.999	have been to help me in that 

2017-03-11 12:02:47.995	call. 

2017-03-11 12:02:52.997	I want to affect some micro 

2017-03-11 12:02:56.036	change so we can plant seeds 

2017-03-11 12:02:57.038	where he are and move towards a 

2017-03-11 12:03:00.037	macro change. 

2017-03-11 12:03:00.037	I don't have the answers. 

2017-03-11 12:03:04.037	We have tried some things that 

2017-03-11 12:03:08.036	have worked pretty well. 

2017-03-11 12:03:08.037	The point of intermediaries is 

2017-03-11 12:03:12.039	an important one when we are 

2017-03-11 12:03:14.037	talk about this type of work, 

2017-03-11 12:03:15.039	the stories of veterans who have 

2017-03-11 12:03:18.079	seen combat. 

2017-03-11 12:03:18.079	We have done that to a certain 

2017-03-11 12:03:28.181	point. 

2017-03-11 12:03:28.181	I'm putting that on the table to 

2017-03-11 12:03:34.177	examine. 

2017-03-11 12:03:34.178	These are large complex issues 

2017-03-11 12:03:35.18	we are talking about. 

2017-03-11 12:03:35.18	How can we plant that seed or 

2017-03-11 12:03:40.177	start a little network that is 

2017-03-11 12:03:44.207	addressing some of these things? 

2017-03-11 12:03:44.207	>> you are spot on, the point 

2017-03-11 12:03:54.332	you make about operationalizing, 

2017-03-11 12:03:56.331	it is a big idea. 

2017-03-11 12:03:56.332	Lets come down to the rubber 

2017-03-11 12:04:00.332	meeting the road. 

2017-03-11 12:04:00.333	Everyone sitting in this room is 

2017-03-11 12:04:08.334	probably part of some group, 

2017-03-11 12:04:12.379	some artistic venture. 

2017-03-11 12:04:13.38	How about invite one military 

2017-03-11 12:04:20.431	person to sit on your advisory 

2017-03-11 12:04:20.431	board. 

2017-03-11 12:04:20.432	Intentionally. 

2017-03-11 12:04:24.43	That's very simple. 

2017-03-11 12:04:28.43	It begins to happen there. 

2017-03-11 12:04:43.499	I think we always have to 

2017-03-11 12:04:50.5	remember what demystifies the 

2017-03-11 12:04:57.501	military for a lot of folks as 

2017-03-11 12:04:57.501	we are talking about human 

2017-03-11 12:04:57.502	experience, when we talk about a 

2017-03-11 12:05:00.506	person in Vietnam, World War II 

2017-03-11 12:05:07.548	veterans who can still live 

2017-03-11 12:05:07.549	under their beds. 

2017-03-11 12:05:07.549	It's a human experience we are 

2017-03-11 12:05:13.541	beginning to engage on and 

2017-03-11 12:05:13.542	participate in. 

2017-03-11 12:05:15.548	We need to be aware that this 

2017-03-11 12:05:20.543	truly is a spectrum. 

2017-03-11 12:05:20.543	It's a spectrum in a lot of

2017-03-11 12:05:25.541	ways. 

2017-03-11 12:05:25.541	As it expands all the layoffs 

2017-03-11 12:05:33.632	the entire organization. 

2017-03-11 12:05:33.632	It's also a spectrum innocence 

2017-03-11 12:05:33.633	of going from creative arts 

2017-03-11 12:05:37.631	therapists to dealing with this 

2017-03-11 12:05:40.632	general human experience you 

2017-03-11 12:05:42.632	were referring we are all 

2017-03-11 12:05:46.632	experiencing trauma. 

2017-03-11 12:05:46.633	I think you have to figure out 

2017-03-11 12:05:51.681	that matrix from individual 

2017-03-11 12:05:55.682	experience all the way out to 

2017-03-11 12:05:55.682	community and trying to deal 

2017-03-11 12:05:58.681	with healing. 

2017-03-11 12:06:02.683	I wanted to disclose this idea 

2017-03-11 12:06:07.71	that as we do this particular -- 

2017-03-11 12:06:11.712	I remind you of" I always try to 

2017-03-11 12:06:11.713	live by. 

2017-03-11 12:06:14.712	A lot of times the military 

2017-03-11 12:06:19.711	experience gets to the ReEntry 

2017-03-11 12:06:20.717	point that was made at the end. 

2017-03-11 12:06:22.712	When you jump into this thing

2017-03-11 12:06:28.754	you're jumping into a potential 

2017-03-11 12:06:28.754	state of darkness. 

2017-03-11 12:06:28.755	It's just the nature of combat. 

2017-03-11 12:06:34.754	If we do it with the idea that I 

2017-03-11 12:06:36.754	can light the candle at the end, 

2017-03-11 12:06:40.754	that will also bring balance to 

2017-03-11 12:06:44.758	our efforts and initiatives. 

2017-03-11 12:06:44.759	That's what I try to maintain as 

2017-03-11 12:06:50.796	I counsel and talk about these 

2017-03-11 12:06:50.796	things. 

2017-03-11 12:06:50.797	I want to light the candle that 

2017-03-11 12:06:53.841	I know about getting to that 

2017-03-11 12:06:57.839	point. 

2017-03-11 12:06:57.84	If we do that, there are a lot 

2017-03-11 12:07:02.838	of ways and opportunities that 

2017-03-11 12:07:05.839	you can then put that balance in 

2017-03-11 12:07:09.839	terms of not just focusing on 

2017-03-11 12:07:09.84	one side. 

2017-03-11 12:07:09.84	And the total experience of the 

2017-03-11 12:07:15.848	military can unity -- military 

2017-03-11 12:07:21.888	community. 

2017-03-11 12:07:21.889	My oldest daughter beats me up 

2017-03-11 12:07:21.89	with this all the time. 

2017-03-11 12:07:21.89	She says, we have to remember a 

2017-03-11 12:07:26.882	children -- or member the 

2017-03-11 12:07:29.885	children. 

2017-03-11 12:07:29.885	If you talk with her, there 

2017-03-11 12:07:37.938	could be a child standing there. 

2017-03-11 12:07:41.934	She is investing her life in 

2017-03-11 12:07:42.966	trying to create that story is 

2017-03-11 12:07:45.98	-- that story. 

2017-03-11 12:07:45.981	Every military person will tell 

2017-03-11 12:07:49.967	you that family was vital and 

2017-03-11 12:07:52.964	significant. 

2017-03-11 12:07:54.965	Often times it is pretrade -- it 

2017-03-11 12:08:01.966	is portrayed from the service 

2017-03-11 12:08:01.967	members and through the spouses. 

2017-03-11 12:08:02.975	I'll just sit down and shut up 

2017-03-11 12:08:08.975	what my mom told me. 

2017-03-11 12:08:08.976	>> one of the things I keep 

2017-03-11 12:08:19.967	hearing, one of the most 

2017-03-11 12:08:23.967	important questions is how do we 

2017-03-11 12:08:27.983	continue bridging that gap and 

2017-03-11 12:08:33.047	not just bringing in military 

2017-03-11 12:08:33.048	personnel who happen to have 

2017-03-11 12:08:37.006	been artists previously. 

2017-03-11 12:08:37.007	Obviously that is an important 

2017-03-11 12:08:42.016	aspect of it. 

2017-03-11 12:08:42.016	How do we reach those 

2017-03-11 12:08:47.01	populations as artists who don't 

2017-03-11 12:08:47.011	have that connection with the 

2017-03-11 12:08:47.011	arts may be as viscerally. 

2017-03-11 12:08:51.01	A couple of things I want to 

2017-03-11 12:08:56.008	bring up here is meeting them 

2017-03-11 12:08:57.01	where they are. 

2017-03-11 12:08:57.01	With that idea I will go down to 

2017-03-11 12:09:04.05	San Antonio for the Air Force 

2017-03-11 12:09:10.053	Base that is down there. 

2017-03-11 12:09:10.054	There is this event that happens 

2017-03-11 12:09:19.052	annually. 

2017-03-11 12:09:19.052	The reason I go to it is because 

2017-03-11 12:09:25.094	my uncle was an Air Force pilot 

2017-03-11 12:09:25.094	shot down. 

2017-03-11 12:09:29.135	Every year for the past few 

2017-03-11 12:09:33.154	decades they gather their. 

2017-03-11 12:09:35.211	My uncle has been dead for a 

2017-03-11 12:09:39.186	couple of years, but my father 

2017-03-11 12:09:44.195	and family friend have continued 

2017-03-11 12:09:45.185	to go. 

2017-03-11 12:09:45.186	I drive down there and I also 

2017-03-11 12:09:49.187	go. 

2017-03-11 12:09:49.187	One of the amazing things I find 

2017-03-11 12:09:53.233	there is these are all very -- 

2017-03-11 12:09:58.264	the people part of this freedom 

2017-03-11 12:09:59.26	fighters Union are all very 

2017-03-11 12:09:59.261	military. 

2017-03-11 12:09:59.261	They maintain their military 

2017-03-11 12:10:06.267	bearing when they are in the 

2017-03-11 12:10:08.269	presence of everyone. 

2017-03-11 12:10:08.27	Maybe they are not telling it to 

2017-03-11 12:10:15.263	the public. 

2017-03-11 12:10:15.263	But when the two get together 

2017-03-11 12:10:19.263	those stories to come out. 

2017-03-11 12:10:19.263	They are doing the arts 

2017-03-11 12:10:25.267	themselves in the presence of 

2017-03-11 12:10:25.267	each other. 

2017-03-11 12:10:25.267	The question is how can we meet 

2017-03-11 12:10:30.265	them where they are at. 

2017-03-11 12:10:30.266	In some of the spaces we can't 

2017-03-11 12:10:36.264	get into. 

2017-03-11 12:10:36.265	We are bringing this to you, 

2017-03-11 12:10:42.265	you're coming to this area or 

2017-03-11 12:10:46.349	this space because of us. 

2017-03-11 12:10:46.349	You are telling your stories and 

2017-03-11 12:10:53.346	those stories are amazing. 

2017-03-11 12:10:53.347	The other thing is playing the 

2017-03-11 12:10:56.347	long game, especially when it 

2017-03-11 12:11:01.347	comes to issues that are 

2017-03-11 12:11:01.347	difficult for us to hear, like 

2017-03-11 12:11:04.348	some of the stories in ReEntry. 

2017-03-11 12:11:09.39	There are things I would recoil 

2017-03-11 12:11:14.39	from. 

2017-03-11 12:11:14.391	How do we approach the stories

2017-03-11 12:11:18.44	and maintain our political sense

2017-03-11 12:11:21.489	of I have my identity. 

2017-03-11 12:11:23.487	Going to listen to your politics

2017-03-11 12:11:34.489	. 

2017-03-11 12:11:34.49	Knowing at some point you want 

2017-03-11 12:11:35.489	to challenge them, but playing 

2017-03-11 12:11:35.49	the long game and stories of 

2017-03-11 12:11:38.515	empathy can actually do greater 

2017-03-11 12:11:38.516	change then an intermediate 

2017-03-11 12:11:42.647	political assault on those 

2017-03-11 12:11:42.647	opinions. 

2017-03-11 12:11:42.648	I think playing the long game 

2017-03-11 12:11:46.659	becomes a part of this work. 

2017-03-11 12:11:49.644	>> it is going to be Anthony and 

2017-03-11 12:11:56.642	lives. 

2017-03-11 12:11:56.643	That's as many names as I can 

2017-03-11 12:12:04.642	remember. 

2017-03-11 12:12:04.642	>> I think you mentioned 

2017-03-11 12:12:15.738	something about anti-military or 

2017-03-11 12:12:15.739	government, and that triggered 

2017-03-11 12:12:19.739	this hot sensation in my chest. 

2017-03-11 12:12:20.74	The holistic counsel told me 

2017-03-11 12:12:24.738	being more in touch with my 

2017-03-11 12:12:24.739	body, that that is triggering 

2017-03-11 12:12:25.742	something. 

2017-03-11 12:12:25.743	In reaction to that, we are a

2017-03-11 12:12:37.813	spoken word performance group of 

2017-03-11 12:12:37.814	Latino and black combat vets. 

2017-03-11 12:12:39.806	We struggled early on with 

2017-03-11 12:12:42.809	sharing our narratives. 

2017-03-11 12:12:42.81	Speaking about things we 

2017-03-11 12:12:49.81	disliked about the military or 

2017-03-11 12:12:49.81	government makes us less 

2017-03-11 12:12:51.813	patriotic. 

2017-03-11 12:12:55.81	We had a lot of discussions

2017-03-11 12:12:59.809	about that. 

2017-03-11 12:12:59.809	I came to a point where I said 

2017-03-11 12:13:06.809	other performers, these men are 

2017-03-11 12:13:06.81	my brothers, just like in 

2017-03-11 12:13:07.812	military. 

2017-03-11 12:13:09.809	I support them and freedom of 

2017-03-11 12:13:13.809	expression, because we served in 

2017-03-11 12:13:17.809	the capacity to support that 

2017-03-11 12:13:18.812	freedom of expression on a 

2017-03-11 12:13:19.81	grander scale in that I'm going 

2017-03-11 12:13:24.82	to love him and support him in 

2017-03-11 12:13:24.821	sharing his truth, we have kind 

2017-03-11 12:13:30.858	of had to make peace with that 

2017-03-11 12:13:31.866	and say that will not resonate 

2017-03-11 12:13:32.853	with everyone and that is OK. 

2017-03-11 12:13:32.854	If we consider it our people are 

2017-03-11 12:13:36.897	going to consider it as a 

2017-03-11 12:13:39.853	painting and go I love it. 

2017-03-11 12:13:39.853	We've made peace with that idea. 

2017-03-11 12:13:45.858	I want to raise the collective 

2017-03-11 12:13:50.895	consciousness on this idea of 

2017-03-11 12:13:51.94	the impact of people of color 

2017-03-11 12:13:53.941	who serve, and that narrative 

2017-03-11 12:13:57.001	needs to be further explored. 

2017-03-11 12:13:57.002	It is challenging, scary, and 

2017-03-11 12:14:01.989	exciting. 

2017-03-11 12:14:01.99	I just wanted to share that. 

2017-03-11 12:14:07.989	>> thank you for letting me have 

2017-03-11 12:14:12.998	the microphone. 

2017-03-11 12:14:15.025	We were there for dance company 

2017-03-11 12:14:27.104	and resonance for 18 months in 

2017-03-11 12:14:27.104	the shipyard. 

2017-03-11 12:14:27.105	The end was a weeklong festival 

2017-03-11 12:14:31.106	in the event because the public 

2017-03-11 12:14:34.105	wasn't allowed. 

2017-03-11 12:14:38.104	One of the biggest issues was it 

2017-03-11 12:14:43.116	was on the toxic dumping list. 

2017-03-11 12:14:43.117	The community that lived around 

2017-03-11 12:14:47.196	the yard, many people hated it 

2017-03-11 12:14:49.24	because it was environmental 

2017-03-11 12:14:50.249	contamination. 

2017-03-11 12:14:50.249	Other people -- kinds of things 

2017-03-11 12:14:55.241	were going on. 

2017-03-11 12:14:55.241	When we worked on that dilemma

2017-03-11 12:15:02.249	-- the question in my mind is 

2017-03-11 12:15:04.245	how do we stay open to

2017-03-11 12:15:05.241	influence? 

2017-03-11 12:15:05.242	How long in our process? 

2017-03-11 12:15:10.273	We talk about our differences of 

2017-03-11 12:15:12.357	opinions, we have a lot of 

2017-03-11 12:15:18.358	duress around the budget. 

2017-03-11 12:15:18.359	How and when can artistic 

2017-03-11 12:15:26.361	practice in our skills around 

2017-03-11 12:15:26.362	that help us hold ourselves? 

2017-03-11 12:15:29.356	You actually can have the 

2017-03-11 12:15:32.358	conversations. 

2017-03-11 12:15:32.358	Turns out the yard was way open 

2017-03-11 12:15:36.358	for it. 

2017-03-11 12:15:36.359	Environmentalists absolutely 

2017-03-11 12:15:43.356	would not -- they would talk to 

2017-03-11 12:15:43.357	us to do not sit down with the 

2017-03-11 12:15:44.357	art. 

2017-03-11 12:15:44.358	We ended up doing a performance 

2017-03-11 12:15:50.356	about a church, about 

2017-03-11 12:15:50.357	reconciliation, where we dealt 

2017-03-11 12:15:52.357	with this,

2017-03-11 12:15:52.357	 being open influence 

2017-03-11 12:16:04.402	--

2017-03-11 12:16:04.402	 that brings me to this 

2017-03-11 12:16:15.446	wonderful discussion we heard

2017-03-11 12:16:19.493	from Sam Annamarie's. 

2017-03-11 12:16:19.494	Madison said I just love to make 

2017-03-11 12:16:29.573	a community, I can get people in 

2017-03-11 12:16:32.651	a room. 

2017-03-11 12:16:32.652	These people are not a 

2017-03-11 12:16:35.65	dichotomy. 

2017-03-11 12:16:35.651	Having people in a room is not a 

2017-03-11 12:16:40.66	dichotomy against the fact that 

2017-03-11 12:16:41.658	we also want to build skills. 

2017-03-11 12:16:41.658	Victoria and I were talking how 

2017-03-11 12:16:45.654	hard is it to get people in the 

2017-03-11 12:16:46.652	room? 

2017-03-11 12:16:46.653	That is a set of skills. 

2017-03-11 12:16:49.654	Then there is this amazing 

2017-03-11 12:16:53.653	evolution where you are holding 

2017-03-11 12:16:56.655	people accountable. 

2017-03-11 12:16:56.656	There was a wonderful 

2017-03-11 12:17:02.651	84-year-old woman in the company

2017-03-11 12:17:06.651	. 

2017-03-11 12:17:06.652	Each of the old people get up 

2017-03-11 12:17:08.651	and she said I'm 84 years old

2017-03-11 12:17:11.652	and she licked her arm up and 

2017-03-11 12:17:12.652	everybody would applaud. 

2017-03-11 12:17:12.653	She said this is not enough, I'm 

2017-03-11 12:17:17.661	just lifting my arm up. 

2017-03-11 12:17:17.662	Give me something to do. 

2017-03-11 12:17:20.659	Challenge me. 

2017-03-11 12:17:27.654	I think that's where we go with 

2017-03-11 12:17:27.655	our differences. 

2017-03-11 12:17:27.655	I'm back to artistic practices 

2017-03-11 12:17:33.654	as this wealth of skills you are 

2017-03-11 12:17:37.66	hearing from an building. 

2017-03-11 12:17:37.661	>> Quincy Jones 12 years ago, he 

2017-03-11 12:17:50.744	wanted there to be a secretary 

2017-03-11 12:17:50.745	of the arts to be a part of the 

2017-03-11 12:17:53.747	administration. 

2017-03-11 12:17:53.747	There were petitions to be 

2017-03-11 12:17:59.747	signed and all that kind of 

2017-03-11 12:17:59.747	thing. 

2017-03-11 12:17:59.748	Primarily what I'm saying is how 

2017-03-11 12:18:08.795	does the art community not 

2017-03-11 12:18:08.796	necessarily only portray or work 

2017-03-11 12:18:12.795	with veterans, how do we 

2017-03-11 12:18:17.795	circumvent this? 

2017-03-11 12:18:17.796	This is what I'm feeling. 

2017-03-11 12:18:21.82	Lyndon Johnson did not feel 

2017-03-11 12:18:27.82	comfortable running for a second 

2017-03-11 12:18:30.836	term. 

2017-03-11 12:18:30.836	George Bush felt comfortable

2017-03-11 12:18:39.823	going into Iraq. 

2017-03-11 12:18:39.823	We have to make them feel 

2017-03-11 12:18:56.899	uncomfortable when we are doing 

2017-03-11 12:18:57.867	50 years trying to make up for 

2017-03-11 12:18:58.866	them. 

2017-03-11 12:18:58.866	We are going to have to do 

2017-03-11 12:19:00.868	something anyway. 

2017-03-11 12:19:00.869	We only spend the next 100 years 

2017-03-11 12:19:05.871	coming here. 

2017-03-11 12:19:05.872	We have to be expressing this 

2017-03-11 12:19:12.049	and saying this. 

2017-03-11 12:19:12.049	We have the power. 

2017-03-11 12:19:21.044	We don't exercise it because we 

2017-03-11 12:19:26.055	don't believe we do. 

2017-03-11 12:19:26.055	We think we are limited. 

2017-03-11 12:19:32.08	If we are -- if we think we are 

2017-03-11 12:19:35.17	limited then we are limited. 

2017-03-11 12:19:35.171	If you think you are a star then 

2017-03-11 12:19:40.246	you are a star. 

2017-03-11 12:19:40.246	If you think you are a piece of 

2017-03-11 12:19:44.3	trash, then you are a piece of 

2017-03-11 12:19:44.301	trash. 

2017-03-11 12:19:44.301	We all act that way. 

2017-03-11 12:19:46.303	I'm a star in certain places and 

2017-03-11 12:19:52.367	a piece of trash and other 

2017-03-11 12:19:52.368	places. 

2017-03-11 12:19:52.369	We have the whole carpetbag 

2017-03-11 12:20:01.371	staff and the whole aggregation 

2017-03-11 12:20:06.451	because I have been given an 

2017-03-11 12:20:07.496	opportunity to go out and meet a 

2017-03-11 12:20:07.497	lot of people and grow. 

2017-03-11 12:20:07.498	That's important because I'm 

2017-03-11 12:20:12.507	growing here. 

2017-03-11 12:20:12.507	Locally we have five people 

2017-03-11 12:20:18.547	running for city Council in 

2017-03-11 12:20:18.548	Knoxville. 

2017-03-11 12:20:18.548	Before they could join this 

2017-03-11 12:20:22.547	movement we called it the 20 

2017-03-11 12:20:23.547	17th city Council in cities for 

2017-03-11 12:20:27.578	the five people and let the 

2017-03-11 12:20:28.578	Council five elected -- five 

2017-03-11 12:20:37.659	people elected to city Council. 

2017-03-11 12:20:40.707	I'm saying we can do it, you 

2017-03-11 12:20:45.701	just have to think you can do 

2017-03-11 12:20:45.702	it. 

2017-03-11 12:20:45.702	God, help me do this. 

2017-03-11 12:20:49.702	We can make a change. 

2017-03-11 12:20:53.754	>> you know how you think you 

2017-03-11 12:21:00.8	are going to say one thing and 

2017-03-11 12:21:03.801	the conversation rolls back 

2017-03-11 12:21:03.802	around and you know you're going 

2017-03-11 12:21:07.797	to say something different, this 

2017-03-11 12:21:13.871	question of how we all come 

2017-03-11 12:21:20.871	together and make change. 

2017-03-11 12:21:20.872	I think the realization, and I 

2017-03-11 12:21:28.875	approach this from the point of 

2017-03-11 12:21:31.918	view of some of the talked about 

2017-03-11 12:21:31.918	being a demonstrator and I was a 

2017-03-11 12:21:36.915	peace activist, the dilemma is

2017-03-11 12:21:43.955	-- the degrees of separation are 

2017-03-11 12:21:47.999	small. 

2017-03-11 12:21:47.999	They seemed when I was growing 

2017-03-11 12:21:55.05	up and every male cousin

2017-03-11 12:21:55.05	 were 

2017-03-11 12:22:09.129	very present with that. 

2017-03-11 12:22:12.124	There was a time when we got 

2017-03-11 12:22:19.252	disconnected from that. 

2017-03-11 12:22:19.253	You the reality was what it was. 

2017-03-11 12:22:21.251	As we got disconnected from it 

2017-03-11 12:22:29.371	we forgot about there is only 

2017-03-11 12:22:32.416	that much more separation 

2017-03-11 12:22:32.416	between you and someone in the 

2017-03-11 12:22:34.415	military. 

2017-03-11 12:22:34.416	We went from those people who 

2017-03-11 12:22:42.456	were drafted to those young 

2017-03-11 12:22:43.462	people going into the military 

2017-03-11 12:22:44.456	because it is an employment 

2017-03-11 12:22:44.457	opportunity. 

2017-03-11 12:22:45.507	Just as my cousins went -- there 

2017-03-11 12:22:53.55	is this much separation. 

2017-03-11 12:22:55.587	There is the belief we can 

2017-03-11 12:23:02.623	change, but also being able to 

2017-03-11 12:23:03.627	stimulate these conversations. 

2017-03-11 12:23:03.628	That's for me what it comes down 

2017-03-11 12:23:10.623	to. 

2017-03-11 12:23:10.623	To look at that small degree of 

2017-03-11 12:23:10.624	separation and continue this 

2017-03-11 12:23:13.625	dialogue every day. 

2017-03-11 12:23:13.626	We have to be about saving 

2017-03-11 12:23:21.666	people's lives. 

2017-03-11 12:23:22.667	Whether it is returning veterans 

2017-03-11 12:23:28.752	are people going to war. 

2017-03-11 12:23:28.752	>> Matteson, I want to get to 

2017-03-11 12:23:35.801	Michael's point. 

2017-03-11 12:23:37.801	I do a lot of work with 

2017-03-11 12:23:44.876	engineers and artists. 

2017-03-11 12:23:44.876	A lot of train wreck's happened 

2017-03-11 12:23:47.879	because we don't speak the same 

2017-03-11 12:23:47.879	language. 

2017-03-11 12:23:47.88	You have lots of acronyms, 

2017-03-11 12:23:53.878	military, lots of acronyms. 

2017-03-11 12:23:55.877	As soon as someone says 

2017-03-11 12:24:14.086	something we write it down and 

2017-03-11 12:24:19.125	define it, not only what the 

2017-03-11 12:24:20.127	letters mean but what it means. 

2017-03-11 12:24:20.128	SEMPER FI, YOU KNOW WHAT I AM 

2017-03-11 12:24:26.38	SAYING, ALWAYS FAITHFUL. 

2017-03-11 12:24:30.385	USUALLY I SAY IT HUNG IN CHEEK. 

2017-03-11 12:24:32.382	TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE TO 

2017-03-11 12:24:36.411	ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. 

2017-03-11 12:24:38.452	TO MAKE A LIST OF WE ARE TRYING 

2017-03-11 12:24:42.454	TO BUILD AN OPEN SOURCE PLATFORM 

2017-03-11 12:24:43.45	TO SUPPORT COLLECTING THIS 

2017-03-11 12:24:45.45	LANGUAGE. 

2017-03-11 12:24:45.451	WHEN I SAY COLLABORATE

2017-03-11 12:24:55.451	 they do not mean the same 

2017-03-11 12:24:58.494	thing. 

2017-03-11 12:24:58.495	That is something that is 

2017-03-11 12:25:03.532	practical that will improve 

2017-03-11 12:25:03.533	every project. 

2017-03-11 12:25:05.531	This group, if there's a way we 

2017-03-11 12:25:08.533	can share that, I know that 

2017-03-11 12:25:13.534	would be amazing to not have to 

2017-03-11 12:25:13.534	spend that time to make that 

2017-03-11 12:25:17.537	lexicon. 

2017-03-11 12:25:17.537	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 12:25:18.532	>> Thank you to the group. 

2017-03-11 12:25:23.534	The intensity and richness of 

2017-03-11 12:25:29.585	this, particularly those that 

2017-03-11 12:25:30.582	live and breathe it every day. 

2017-03-11 12:25:32.583	So appreciated to be listening 

2017-03-11 12:25:34.585	to this conversation. 

2017-03-11 12:25:35.586	Something that Michael said, the 

2017-03-11 12:25:41.637	organization has been in this 

2017-03-11 12:25:41.638	space, many things have worked. 

2017-03-11 12:25:42.637	Do we trust ourselves enough to 

2017-03-11 12:25:47.633	talk about the things that have 

2017-03-11 12:25:47.633	not worked so well? 

2017-03-11 12:25:50.641	I learned by the things that 

2017-03-11 12:25:53.633	went awry along the way. 

2017-03-11 12:25:56.633	What is it that we are not doing 

2017-03-11 12:25:59.632	that we might do better? 

2017-03-11 12:26:01.634	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 12:26:03.632	>> Hey, everybody. 

2017-03-11 12:26:13.671	Hello. 

2017-03-11 12:26:14.66	I am not a soldier. 

2017-03-11 12:26:18.71	I portray one. 

2017-03-11 12:26:22.703	I am a soldier in the army of 

2017-03-11 12:26:25.701	love. 

2017-03-11 12:26:27.702	I want to say this. 

2017-03-11 12:26:28.709	With art, whether it be 

2017-03-11 12:26:31.703	performed dance, song, theater, 

2017-03-11 12:26:36.703	literary, visual, poetry, there 

2017-03-11 12:26:40.705	are so many forms. 

2017-03-11 12:26:41.705	With art shared, it is a sense 

2017-03-11 12:26:46.715	of church, protest, it is a 

2017-03-11 12:26:52.702	strong sense of militia. 

2017-03-11 12:26:53.746	A strong power in shared art. 

2017-03-11 12:26:57.744	We must keep it alive. 

2017-03-11 12:27:01.753	I think all of the presenters, 

2017-03-11 12:27:04.789	although the people in misery 

2017-03-11 12:27:04.789	that are healers. 

2017-03-11 12:27:05.785	We have a new president. 

2017-03-11 12:27:09.785	He is doing what he thinks is 

2017-03-11 12:27:12.793	cleaning up America. 

2017-03-11 12:27:14.786	We must make sure that our art 

2017-03-11 12:27:18.834	is not time caps on capsulized. 

2017-03-11 12:27:25.888	It is either going to become 

2017-03-11 12:27:31.889	either black or white, we do not 

2017-03-11 12:27:31.889	want that to happen to America. 

2017-03-11 12:27:34.886	We must sing, create, keep 

2017-03-11 12:27:39.914	presenting. 

2017-03-11 12:27:39.915	We must make our affordable -- 

2017-03-11 12:27:41.91	art affordable. 

2017-03-11 12:27:43.912	Maybe do one night free, one 

2017-03-11 12:27:45.912	night $3, one night pay what you 

2017-03-11 12:27:51.913	can. 

2017-03-11 12:27:51.913	We must make sure we keep art as 

2017-03-11 12:27:54.911	church, as militia, empowerment. 

2017-03-11 12:27:58.912	That is all I have to say about 

2017-03-11 12:27:58.913	that. 

2017-03-11 12:27:59.911	>> A, everyone. 

2017-03-11 12:28:05.915	I am again. 

2017-03-11 12:28:05.916	What a great conversation this 

2017-03-11 12:28:11.911	is. 

2017-03-11 12:28:12.912	I wanted to say, as a civilian 

2017-03-11 12:28:19.912	and artist, I had a lot of 

2017-03-11 12:28:23.912	reluctance coming to this 

2017-03-11 12:28:26.912	project, but I felt compelled to 

2017-03-11 12:28:28.914	get involved. 

2017-03-11 12:28:29.922	I had been hearing a lot of 

2017-03-11 12:28:33.913	narratives I felt were 

2017-03-11 12:28:33.914	superficial or not really 

2017-03-11 12:28:35.914	getting at truth. 

2017-03-11 12:28:36.914	I wanted to investigate that. 

2017-03-11 12:28:39.957	That is a big motivation for me 

2017-03-11 12:28:44.955	as an artist. 

2017-03-11 12:28:44.955	I think of myself as an 

2017-03-11 12:28:47.964	investigator and intermediary. 

2017-03-11 12:28:48.961	Seven years into doing this

2017-03-11 12:28:52.957	work, I feel changed by it. 

2017-03-11 12:29:00.956	It has been one of the most 

2017-03-11 12:29:00.957	life-affirming, life-giving 

2017-03-11 12:29:03.959	changing processes for me in 

2017-03-11 12:29:07.958	terms of changing my artistic 

2017-03-11 12:29:07.959	process, absolutely, but changed 

2017-03-11 12:29:11.958	as a person. 

2017-03-11 12:29:13.958	I came in with a certain set of 

2017-03-11 12:29:17.959	ideas. 

2017-03-11 12:29:17.96	I challenged them and came to 

2017-03-11 12:29:17.96	know different things. 

2017-03-11 12:29:19.958	We focused on women, there were 

2017-03-11 12:29:22.958	women in my life that are not in 

2017-03-11 12:29:26.956	my life. 

2017-03-11 12:29:27.958	They are friends, collaborators, 

2017-03-11 12:29:28.956	we know each other now. 

2017-03-11 12:29:32	Being in those relationships 

2017-03-11 12:29:33.005	changed me. 

2017-03-11 12:29:34.997	I think about the entry point of 

2017-03-11 12:29:36.998	filling compelled, how 

2017-03-11 12:29:38.997	vulnerable I felt going into the 

2017-03-11 12:29:43	space. 

2017-03-11 12:29:43	What I'm hearing today in this 

2017-03-11 12:29:44.01	circle, it has made me think 

2017-03-11 12:29:47.013	about this challenge to get 

2017-03-11 12:29:50.043	other civilians on board. 

2017-03-11 12:29:52.056	As a civilian, I feel like I can 

2017-03-11 12:29:54.04	do that. 

2017-03-11 12:29:57.041	I can talk to my people. 

2017-03-11 12:29:59.04	How do we change culture when we 

2017-03-11 12:30:02.093	are doing social justice work? 

2017-03-11 12:30:03.041	As a civilian, how do I talk to 

2017-03-11 12:30:07.041	other civilians about what 

2017-03-11 12:30:07.042	happened to me and why I do this

2017-03-11 12:30:12.051	. 

2017-03-11 12:30:12.052	I think about all of the people. 

2017-03-11 12:30:14.039	It was funny to see a story in 

2017-03-11 12:30:15.042	the play about the liberal

2017-03-11 12:30:20.039	theater folks who do not want to 

2017-03-11 12:30:20.04	have this conversation. 

2017-03-11 12:30:23.04	I have been in space is why 

2017-03-11 12:30:26.044	wanted to talk about women at 

2017-03-11 12:30:26.045	work and people shut down. 

2017-03-11 12:30:30.04	They don't want to hear what I 

2017-03-11 12:30:30.041	want to say. 

2017-03-11 12:30:32.041	For political reasons. 

2017-03-11 12:30:33.046	Today, I wanted to share out

2017-03-11 12:30:40.044	this conversation about how do 

2017-03-11 12:30:40.045	we get civilians on board. 

2017-03-11 12:30:44.041	I am actively thinking about 

2017-03-11 12:30:44.042	that. 

2017-03-11 12:30:45.051	Those people who, not because 

2017-03-11 12:30:51.04	they don't know about it, but 

2017-03-11 12:30:53.041	they know about the work that we 

2017-03-11 12:30:53.041	are doing and choose to stay out 

2017-03-11 12:30:55.045	of the room. 

2017-03-11 12:30:58.041	I'm curious about that. 

2017-03-11 12:30:59.042	I want to talk to other people 

2017-03-11 12:31:03.043	about what those stories might 

2017-03-11 12:31:03.044	be. 

2017-03-11 12:31:05.044	We are living in a fragmented 

2017-03-11 12:31:08.046	time. 

2017-03-11 12:31:08.046	Veterans there are programs with 

2017-03-11 12:31:12.087	curricula, designs, you sign up. 

2017-03-11 12:31:18.084	Civilians are also doing their 

2017-03-11 12:31:19.088	own thing. 

2017-03-11 12:31:20.086	There is no one organizing. 

2017-03-11 12:31:22.086	How might we want to tap into 

2017-03-11 12:31:24.084	networks to say, what is the 

2017-03-11 12:31:27.134	reluctance? 

2017-03-11 12:31:28.136	Why are you staying out of the 

2017-03-11 12:31:30.136	room? 

2017-03-11 12:31:31.135	Why aren't you hiring and 

2017-03-11 12:31:34.139	providing resources? 

2017-03-11 12:31:37.135	Why aren't you opening the door 

2017-03-11 12:31:37.136	to veterans? 

2017-03-11 12:31:37.136	What are you afraid of? 

2017-03-11 12:31:40.135	To open the door and explore 

2017-03-11 12:31:44.17	what that vulnerability is. 

2017-03-11 12:31:45.183	>> One final comment. 

2017-03-11 12:31:48.17	>> Hi, everyone. 

2017-03-11 12:31:52.169	I am feeling challenged. 

2017-03-11 12:32:00.253	I want to pull together threads 

2017-03-11 12:32:03.301	about challenge, risk, and 

2017-03-11 12:32:06.292	topics off the table, what is 

2017-03-11 12:32:11.293	political, going where we are 

2017-03-11 12:32:13.295	afraid. 

2017-03-11 12:32:13.296	I was convening with Captain 

2017-03-11 12:32:20.294	Maguire months back where she 

2017-03-11 12:32:21.34	was facilitating a session that 

2017-03-11 12:32:21.34	asked what our stereotypes were 

2017-03-11 12:32:28.386	about veterans, or assumptions, 

2017-03-11 12:32:30.387	before doing this work. 

2017-03-11 12:32:34.385	I am Arab-American. 

2017-03-11 12:32:34.386	I said my assumption was that 

2017-03-11 12:32:36.385	you are the enemy. 

2017-03-11 12:32:37.39	The I started working with 

2017-03-11 12:32:40.422	veterans, the conversations in 

2017-03-11 12:32:43.422	my community, the feeling in the 

2017-03-11 12:32:45.418	chest that comes up that is 

2017-03-11 12:32:48.419	being talked about, is that I 

2017-03-11 12:32:51.463	might think that you, the 

2017-03-11 12:32:52.461	military, are the enemy because 

2017-03-11 12:32:54.501	I assume you think I am the 

2017-03-11 12:32:57.501	enemy. 

2017-03-11 12:32:59.505	This conversation about othering

2017-03-11 12:33:02.506	and the political environment we 

2017-03-11 12:33:02.507	are in, I have to say that there 

2017-03-11 12:33:06.523	is no such thing as artistic 

2017-03-11 12:33:08.504	work that is not political. 

2017-03-11 12:33:09.504	Representation is political. 

2017-03-11 12:33:12.502	Any time we put anything in the 

2017-03-11 12:33:16.59	public sphere it is political. 

2017-03-11 12:33:21.59	The question is, what are we 

2017-03-11 12:33:21.59	saying in relation to the 

2017-03-11 12:33:24.585	political context that we are 

2017-03-11 12:33:25.593	in? 

2017-03-11 12:33:26.59	As an artist, I go where I am 

2017-03-11 12:33:35.712	afraid. 

2017-03-11 12:33:39.712	I go where I feel challenged. 

2017-03-11 12:33:41.713	I feel challenged in these

2017-03-11 12:33:42.713	rooms. 

2017-03-11 12:33:42.713	I walk into a VA full of 

2017-03-11 12:33:49.836	veterans, many who have served 

2017-03-11 12:33:49.836	writing people that look -- 

2017-03-11 12:33:51.838	fighting people that look like 

2017-03-11 12:33:54.838	me and I am scared. 

2017-03-11 12:33:56.837	I look in their eyes and realize 

2017-03-11 12:33:59.841	that they are scared that I just 

2017-03-11 12:34:00.841	walked into the room and in 

2017-03-11 12:34:04.839	facilitating. 

2017-03-11 12:34:06.838	We get to be in the region human 

2017-03-11 12:34:06.838	 -- and the re-humanizing

2017-03-11 12:34:13.886	process. 

2017-03-11 12:34:13.887	The re-humanizng process is 

2017-03-11 12:34:22.887	being able to go to those risky 

2017-03-11 12:34:23.89	and challenging places, be 

2017-03-11 12:34:25.887	afraid, and do it anyway. 

2017-03-11 12:34:28.938	It is what artists and the 

2017-03-11 12:34:30.951	military trains to do. 

2017-03-11 12:34:32.936	There are really interesting 

2017-03-11 12:34:35.939	places of common ground that 

2017-03-11 12:34:38.936	help us, like Liz was saying 

2017-03-11 12:34:43.937	about the skills the artistic 

2017-03-11 12:34:45.964	process brings, bringing us to 

2017-03-11 12:34:48.966	places where we can challenge. 

2017-03-11 12:34:48.966	No topic is off the table. 

2017-03-11 12:34:52.964	We must ask the hardest 

2017-03-11 12:34:54.974	questions to create the best 

2017-03-11 12:34:58.012	work to heal together. 

2017-03-11 12:34:59.004	That is something. 

2017-03-11 12:35:03.004	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 12:35:04.009	>> Thank you, everyone. 

2017-03-11 12:35:08.007	[Applause]  

2017-03-11 12:35:10.007	>> A really wonderful 

2017-03-11 12:35:17.007	conversation. 

2017-03-11 12:35:17.008	More of you have more things to 

2017-03-11 12:35:19.005	say and we will have more 

2017-03-11 12:35:20.008	conversation after lunch. 

2017-03-11 12:35:21.009	>> Lunch is available in the 

2017-03-11 12:35:25.047	lobby outside. 

2017-03-11 12:35:26.049	It is a boxed lunch. 

2017-03-11 12:35:30.047	Feel free to eat in the lobby, 

2017-03-11 12:35:31.062	here, walk around. 

2017-03-11 12:35:33.051	We're back at 1:15. 

2017-03-11 12:35:35.049	If you are interested in a dine 

2017-03-11 12:35:40.059	around, sign up the end of 

2017-03-11 12:35:43.05	lunch. 

2017-03-11 12:35:43.05	We will cancel reservations that 

2017-03-11 12:35:43.051	don't have names on it by that

2017-03-11 12:35:46.048	time. 

2017-03-11 12:35:47.047	Thank you, very much. 

2017-03-11 13:06:07.761	Please stand by. 

2017-03-11 13:06:10.807	Please stand by. 

2017-03-11 13:06:13.859	Please stand by. 

2017-03-11 13:21:22.856	>> Those of you out in the hall 

2017-03-11 13:21:23.856	or those of you who are still on 

2017-03-11 13:21:23.857	your feet, if you could let

2017-03-11 13:21:27.856	people know that we are 

2017-03-11 13:21:28.857	beginning and encourage everyone 

2017-03-11 13:21:28.857	to come take a seat. 

2017-03-11 13:21:30.858	I'm going to start with a couple 

2017-03-11 13:21:30.858	of pieces of business. 

2017-03-11 13:21:35.907	Jamie, do you need to start with 

2017-03-11 13:21:35.908	any business?  

2017-03-11 13:21:38.906	OK, good. 

2017-03-11 13:21:39.907	A couple of things. 

2017-03-11 13:21:39.908	Quickly, I want to make two

2017-03-11 13:21:47.906	significant acknowledgments. 

2017-03-11 13:21:47.907	I will start with one while 

2017-03-11 13:21:48.906	people are gathering. 

2017-03-11 13:21:48.907	I think the role of the 

2017-03-11 13:21:51.908	presentations of the art has 

2017-03-11 13:21:51.909	been so important to the quality 

2017-03-11 13:21:55.907	of the conversation we are 

2017-03-11 13:21:56.907	having and the sense of the 

2017-03-11 13:21:58.907	experience we are having, and I 

2017-03-11 13:22:00.908	want to just acknowledge the 

2017-03-11 13:22:00.908	work of the technical crew here 

2017-03-11 13:22:02.908	that --  

2017-03-11 13:22:02.908	[APPLAUSE] 

2017-03-11 13:22:05.937	They pride themselves on never 

2017-03-11 13:22:11.019	being seen, but they do exist. 

2017-03-11 13:22:15.157	Feel free to thank them when you 

2017-03-11 13:22:16.158	see them, but we have our 

2017-03-11 13:22:18.187	technician in the booth. 

2017-03-11 13:22:18.188	And our crew on the stage. 

2017-03-11 13:22:24.231	I just want to be sure and thank 

2017-03-11 13:22:24.231	them. 

2017-03-11 13:22:24.231	Also, just a quick thing about 

2017-03-11 13:22:27.23	the process -- I think you are 

2017-03-11 13:22:31.231	starting to feel it. 

2017-03-11 13:22:32.228	I want you to trust it. 

2017-03-11 13:22:32.229	We believe deeply in it, so I 

2017-03-11 13:22:37.228	appreciate your continued 

2017-03-11 13:22:37.229	participation, active

2017-03-11 13:22:40.227	participation in it, but I think 

2017-03-11 13:22:42.228	you can feel that the 

2017-03-11 13:22:42.228	conversations are starting to 

2017-03-11 13:22:42.229	acquire a kind of -- there are 

2017-03-11 13:22:46.314	themes that have arisen, 

2017-03-11 13:22:46.315	questions in the air that will 

2017-03-11 13:22:50.356	ultimately need to be answered, 

2017-03-11 13:22:50.357	and there's anxiety, which I 

2017-03-11 13:22:52.359	love about what do we do with it

2017-03-11 13:22:57.355	?  

2017-03-11 13:22:57.356	When we leave here, what happens

2017-03-11 13:23:00.406	?  

2017-03-11 13:23:00.407	Take a look at the agenda, and 

2017-03-11 13:23:01.405	you will notice on Sunday, 

2017-03-11 13:23:03.421	tomorrow, we spend quite a bit 

2017-03-11 13:23:05.406	of time in that question of now 

2017-03-11 13:23:09.406	what?  

2017-03-11 13:23:09.406	We are in breakout groups 

2017-03-11 13:23:10.407	looking at what we do, what we 

2017-03-11 13:23:12.405	take away from here, then we 

2017-03-11 13:23:13.424	have individual opportunities on 

2017-03-11 13:23:18.405	what we take away from that, so 

2017-03-11 13:23:20.407	continue to gather the questions 

2017-03-11 13:23:21.405	and bring them tomorrow. 

2017-03-11 13:23:24.406	A list went by yesterday of 

2017-03-11 13:23:25.406	resources. 

2017-03-11 13:23:25.407	These things are being gathered, 

2017-03-11 13:23:28.519	and tomorrow will be the moment 

2017-03-11 13:23:32.562	to capture what you are going to 

2017-03-11 13:23:32.563	do as you leave. 

2017-03-11 13:23:33.563	Maintain this space of being 

2017-03-11 13:23:38.689	open to influence. 

2017-03-11 13:23:38.69	I loved that formulation. 

2017-03-11 13:23:40.771	Then, reminder on the circle, we 

2017-03-11 13:23:46.856	talked about talking together, 

2017-03-11 13:23:49.856	talking to each other, and on 

2017-03-11 13:23:50.441	the circle, if you could make 

2017-03-11 13:23:52.908	sure that your listening is 

2017-03-11 13:23:53.907	active. 

2017-03-11 13:23:55.907	I know many of you are taking 

2017-03-11 13:23:55.907	notes on your computers. 

2017-03-11 13:23:58.938	Taking notes, keeping your 

2017-03-11 13:24:02.937	computers is great. 

2017-03-11 13:24:03.938	Try to stay off your email. 

2017-03-11 13:24:03.938	If you need to be on an email, 

2017-03-11 13:24:08.979	probably leaving the room is 

2017-03-11 13:24:10.981	better than doing it in the

2017-03-11 13:24:12.98	room. 

2017-03-11 13:24:12.981	My last acknowledgment before we 

2017-03-11 13:24:12.982	jump in, I think there are 

2017-03-11 13:24:15.98	people who were here yesterday 

2017-03-11 13:24:16.98	and we are here for a second 

2017-03-11 13:24:18.979	day, so I would like to 

2017-03-11 13:24:19.768	acknowledge the traditional 

2017-03-11 13:24:21.979	owners of the land on which this 

2017-03-11 13:24:23.979	event is taking place, the 

2017-03-11 13:24:24.979	Massachusetts and one cannot -- 

2017-03-11 13:24:27.981	wa

2017-03-11 13:24:27.981	umpanaug people and pay 

2017-03-11 13:24:33.98	respect to their elders, and I 

2017-03-11 13:24:35.98	invite you to do the same for a 

2017-03-11 13:24:37.98	moment. 

2017-03-11 13:24:37.981	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 13:24:38.982	Then we have one other surprise

2017-03-11 13:24:41.98	on the agenda, which is that 

2017-03-11 13:24:41.981	this table would like to start 

2017-03-11 13:24:43.98	the singing of the national 

2017-03-11 13:24:43.981	anthem. 

2017-03-11 13:24:44.981	>> ♪ o, say, can you see  

2017-03-11 13:25:01.271	By the Dawn's early light  

2017-03-11 13:25:03.271	What so proudly we hailed

2017-03-11 13:25:06.312	At the twilight's last gleaming  

2017-03-11 13:25:08.313	Whose broad stripes and bright 

2017-03-11 13:25:11.319	stars  

2017-03-11 13:25:13.313	Through the perilous fight  

2017-03-11 13:25:17.357	O'er the ramparts we watched  

2017-03-11 13:25:22.356	Were so gallantly streaming  

2017-03-11 13:25:28.355	And the rockets' red glare  

2017-03-11 13:25:33.357	The bombs bursting in air  

2017-03-11 13:25:36.356	Gave proof through the night  

2017-03-11 13:25:42.356	That our flag was still there  

2017-03-11 13:25:46.357	O, say, does that Star-Spangled 

2017-03-11 13:25:50.408	Banner yet wave

2017-03-11 13:25:57.408	O'er the land of the free  

2017-03-11 13:26:02.406	And the home of the brave ♪ 

2017-03-11 13:26:09.408	>> Play ball. 

2017-03-11 13:26:16.564	>> Thank you. 

2017-03-11 13:26:18.607	So, you have seen how this 

2017-03-11 13:26:25.658	works. 

2017-03-11 13:26:25.659	The introductions will go this 

2017-03-11 13:26:26.69	way at the request of -- oh, you 

2017-03-11 13:26:29.773	want to go this way. 

2017-03-11 13:26:31.774	I thought you wanted me to go 

2017-03-11 13:26:32.772	the other way. 

2017-03-11 13:26:32.773	Pretend I'm timing you. 

2017-03-11 13:26:36.773	Carl is much better with his 

2017-03-11 13:26:37.772	timer than I am. 

2017-03-11 13:26:39.816	Pretend Karl's timing you. 

2017-03-11 13:26:40.815	We will do one minute each as we 

2017-03-11 13:26:41.816	go around. 

2017-03-11 13:26:41.816	>> OK, I am Melissa Walker, the 

2017-03-11 13:26:47.815	healing arts program coordinator

2017-03-11 13:26:54.815	. 

2017-03-11 13:26:54.815	I have worked very closely with 

2017-03-11 13:26:57.856	a lot of you, and most of you 

2017-03-11 13:26:59.857	know that I have to say that the 

2017-03-11 13:27:02.856	opinions expressed in a moment 

2017-03-11 13:27:03.858	are mine alone and not those at 

2017-03-11 13:27:04.907	the Department of Defense or

2017-03-11 13:27:07.906	federal government. 

2017-03-11 13:27:07.907	I want to say, as you guys all 

2017-03-11 13:27:11.907	know, I'm usually pretty vocal. 

2017-03-11 13:27:11.908	I have then -- I have been 

2017-03-11 13:27:15.907	pretty quiet. 

2017-03-11 13:27:15.908	I feel very fortunate for the 

2017-03-11 13:27:18.907	discussions that have occurred 

2017-03-11 13:27:21.907	and what is about to happen. 

2017-03-11 13:27:23.907	I want to talk a little bit 

2017-03-11 13:27:25.907	about that landscape that came 

2017-03-11 13:27:25.908	up and just remind you that I 

2017-03-11 13:27:25.909	have then immersed -- I have 

2017-03-11 13:27:30.957	been immersed in the clinical 

2017-03-11 13:27:30.958	round for the past few years. 

2017-03-11 13:27:33.982	I have had exposure to artists 

2017-03-11 13:27:39.106	coming both into the clinical 

2017-03-11 13:27:41.107	setting and out in the community 

2017-03-11 13:27:42.107	setting. 

2017-03-11 13:27:42.108	But this is very new to me. 

2017-03-11 13:27:42.109	Also, I have to go back to 

2017-03-11 13:27:48.158	something Liz Lerman said 

2017-03-11 13:27:48.158	yesterday about how the 

2017-03-11 13:27:48.159	continuum is a circle in that a 

2017-03-11 13:27:52.156	lot of the service members we 

2017-03-11 13:27:54.157	work with and veterans will be 

2017-03-11 13:27:56.157	coming in and out of the 

2017-03-11 13:27:57.156	clinical space and community 

2017-03-11 13:27:58.157	space and back again, so I would 

2017-03-11 13:27:59.157	like to address how we do that 

2017-03-11 13:28:03.157	safely and how we work together 

2017-03-11 13:28:03.158	and also, a wonderful point made 

2017-03-11 13:28:08.157	earlier, learn each other's 

2017-03-11 13:28:09.157	languages. 

2017-03-11 13:28:09.158	One thing I will point out is 

2017-03-11 13:28:09.159	the name of this panel -- 

2017-03-11 13:28:15.157	military health care 

2017-03-11 13:28:15.158	practitioners, V.A., and her 

2017-03-11 13:28:15.159	therapists -- art Arabists -- 

2017-03-11 13:28:21.155	art therapists'perspective. 

2017-03-11 13:28:27.155	I want to knowledge we are 

2017-03-11 13:28:29.154	creative therapists, so there 

2017-03-11 13:28:32.155	are music therapists here as 

2017-03-11 13:28:35.156	well. 

2017-03-11 13:28:35.156	>> I'm Lisa Long, a pediatrician 

2017-03-11 13:28:37.157	and musician. 

2017-03-11 13:28:40.157	I have worked with music 

2017-03-11 13:28:40.158	therapists. 

2017-03-11 13:28:44.156	I'm a musician myself but does

2017-03-11 13:28:47.155	medicine and ran an orchestra of 

2017-03-11 13:28:47.155	medical professionals for about 

2017-03-11 13:28:52.233	20 years. 

2017-03-11 13:28:52.234	I'm still in member, but what I 

2017-03-11 13:28:54.233	think is really interesting is 

2017-03-11 13:28:54.234	that we all have a place at the 

2017-03-11 13:28:55.278	table. 

2017-03-11 13:29:00.358	The medical professionals who 

2017-03-11 13:29:00.359	are artists, the artists who 

2017-03-11 13:29:03.405	want to be working in healing 

2017-03-11 13:29:05.405	spaces as well as the people who 

2017-03-11 13:29:05.406	are learning to heal through 

2017-03-11 13:29:08.406	their art. 

2017-03-11 13:29:11.407	There is a space for all of

2017-03-11 13:29:13.405	that. 

2017-03-11 13:29:13.407	There is going to be tension at 

2017-03-11 13:29:15.406	the edges, but it's where that 

2017-03-11 13:29:16.456	tension lies where growth 

2017-03-11 13:29:16.458	happens the greatest, and I 

2017-03-11 13:29:19.457	think that is something that we 

2017-03-11 13:29:19.458	have to just ordered except and 

2017-03-11 13:29:24.458	just listen a little harder 

2017-03-11 13:29:26.457	whenever we get to those 

2017-03-11 13:29:26.459	tensions. 

2017-03-11 13:29:27.477	I think empathy and compassion

2017-03-11 13:29:33.456	comfort with ambiguity. 

2017-03-11 13:29:33.458	These are things we teach our 

2017-03-11 13:29:33.459	students as sort of a 

2017-03-11 13:29:36.458	preventative way of moving the 

2017-03-11 13:29:36.459	field forward so the next 

2017-03-11 13:29:40.457	generation will understand even 

2017-03-11 13:29:41.457	better than we do. 

2017-03-11 13:29:41.459	That's where I'm coming from. 

2017-03-11 13:29:41.461	>> Captain Mora Maguire. 

2017-03-11 13:29:45.458	My current position, lead for 

2017-03-11 13:29:55.457	integrated health and wellness. 

2017-03-11 13:29:56.458	My entire life has been in the 

2017-03-11 13:29:58.458	arts. 

2017-03-11 13:29:58.459	I started underneath the piano, 

2017-03-11 13:30:01.457	and my dad taught voice lessons 

2017-03-11 13:30:04.458	on Saturday, and it has never 

2017-03-11 13:30:06.458	stopped. 

2017-03-11 13:30:06.459	My mom's hard work on her plays. 

2017-03-11 13:30:10.456	Much like Melissa, my head is

2017-03-11 13:30:13.512	spinning a little bit because 

2017-03-11 13:30:14.485	there is a heaviness but also an 

2017-03-11 13:30:15.525	excitement and a lot of dots and 

2017-03-11 13:30:17.568	ideas I'm going to try to 

2017-03-11 13:30:17.569	express myself as clearly as I 

2017-03-11 13:30:21.608	can. 

2017-03-11 13:30:21.61	Lisa just mentioned something 

2017-03-11 13:30:24.61	that I find interesting when we 

2017-03-11 13:30:26.656	talk about these gaps or the 

2017-03-11 13:30:29.656	intersection between arts and 

2017-03-11 13:30:29.657	medicine. 

2017-03-11 13:30:29.659	I think if it is an

2017-03-11 13:30:30.655	intersection, it's like saying 

2017-03-11 13:30:32.659	we are going to talk to you 

2017-03-11 13:30:32.661	about people and patience. 

2017-03-11 13:30:34.655	I'm pretty sure patients are 

2017-03-11 13:30:40.657	people. 

2017-03-11 13:30:40.658	These are the exact same rings, 

2017-03-11 13:30:42.656	so I feel as though, you know, 

2017-03-11 13:30:46.656	there needs to be a shift in the 

2017-03-11 13:30:46.658	way we message things, and that 

2017-03-11 13:30:52.657	some paradigms need to be 

2017-03-11 13:30:53.655	completely destroyed because 

2017-03-11 13:30:53.656	they are not even true, and it 

2017-03-11 13:30:54.656	hurts and harms our ability to 

2017-03-11 13:30:59.68	do some really good work. 

2017-03-11 13:30:59.682	I will elaborate on that later. 

2017-03-11 13:31:04.657	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 13:31:06.656	>> Good afternoon. 

2017-03-11 13:31:06.658	My name is Dr. Michelle Stefan 

2017-03-11 13:31:08.657	L.A., and I am part of the V.A. 

2017-03-11 13:31:09.656	caregiver program out of central 

2017-03-11 13:31:16.657	office, Washington, D.C., and 

2017-03-11 13:31:16.659	the program works with post-9/11 

2017-03-11 13:31:20.657	veterans, families, caregivers, 

2017-03-11 13:31:20.659	and their families. 

2017-03-11 13:31:22.657	I am really delighted to have 

2017-03-11 13:31:27.657	been invited here by Jane and 

2017-03-11 13:31:27.659	the group to really talk about 

2017-03-11 13:31:31.737	the network and -- of available 

2017-03-11 13:31:35.817	services and partnerships that 

2017-03-11 13:31:39.859	already embarked with the 

2017-03-11 13:31:39.861	Veterans Administration and the 

2017-03-11 13:31:44.907	community, and I will address 

2017-03-11 13:31:45.907	that in a little bit, so thank 

2017-03-11 13:31:47.957	you. 

2017-03-11 13:31:47.959	>> Before you go, cannot also 

2017-03-11 13:31:49.957	say there is nothing that I say 

2017-03-11 13:31:49.958	today that represents the views 

2017-03-11 13:31:51.959	of the DOD or the government. 

2017-03-11 13:31:53.955	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 13:31:53.957	>> My name is Sarah Kass, and 

2017-03-11 13:32:03.957	I'm retired from the military, 

2017-03-11 13:32:03.959	so I no longer need to give that 

2017-03-11 13:32:07.957	disclaimer. 

2017-03-11 13:32:08.958	My views are mine and my alone 

2017-03-11 13:32:08.959	and nobody else is claiming 

2017-03-11 13:32:10.956	them. 

2017-03-11 13:32:10.958	I come here today sometimes 

2017-03-11 13:32:14.954	feeling like an impostor, but 

2017-03-11 13:32:16.956	yet, deeply interested in the 

2017-03-11 13:32:16.957	work that is happening. 

2017-03-11 13:32:19.955	I retired from the Navy two 

2017-03-11 13:32:20.957	years ago after 23 years of 

2017-03-11 13:32:21.955	service. 

2017-03-11 13:32:21.957	The last few years working 

2017-03-11 13:32:25.986	specifically at the national 

2017-03-11 13:32:25.987	Intrepid Center of excellence 

2017-03-11 13:32:27.985	with Melissa and Rebecca and 

2017-03-11 13:32:29.985	Bill O'Brien from the NEA 

2017-03-11 13:32:33.985	military healing arts 

2017-03-11 13:32:33.986	partnership that we now call the 

2017-03-11 13:32:36.986	creative forces network. 

2017-03-11 13:32:37.985	Prior to that -- I'm kind of 

2017-03-11 13:32:41.985	excited to see all this come 

2017-03-11 13:32:43.986	together because prior to that, 

2017-03-11 13:32:43.988	I worked at headquarters for 

2017-03-11 13:32:45.986	Navy medicine and health bring

2017-03-11 13:32:50.068	reentry to military bases across 

2017-03-11 13:32:51.069	the Marine Corps and the Navy, 

2017-03-11 13:32:52.111	and it is exciting to see the 

2017-03-11 13:32:52.113	great work going on with that. 

2017-03-11 13:32:54.156	But when I retired from the 

2017-03-11 13:33:00.276	military, I had a choice of what 

2017-03-11 13:33:01.32	I wanted to do and what was most 

2017-03-11 13:33:02.318	important to me was to bring the 

2017-03-11 13:33:05.407	things that were working in 

2017-03-11 13:33:05.408	health care to help veterans, 

2017-03-11 13:33:09.456	service members, and their 

2017-03-11 13:33:09.457	families heal from these 

2017-03-11 13:33:12.456	invisible wounds of war. 

2017-03-11 13:33:16.456	I had seen the incredible power 

2017-03-11 13:33:17.456	of the healing arts, both in a 

2017-03-11 13:33:19.457	clinical setting as well as 

2017-03-11 13:33:21.457	community engagement and wanted 

2017-03-11 13:33:21.458	to help promote that and foster 

2017-03-11 13:33:23.457	that, so that's why I work as a 

2017-03-11 13:33:25.458	consultant to the NEA. 

2017-03-11 13:33:29.456	Thanks for letting me be here 

2017-03-11 13:33:29.457	today. 

2017-03-11 13:33:29.459	>> I'm Jeremy, and I am a 

2017-03-11 13:33:35.457	general internist with the 

2017-03-11 13:33:38.456	foundation for Art and healing 

2017-03-11 13:33:40.456	and also a poet, so I'm looking 

2017-03-11 13:33:42.457	at this wonderful conversation 

2017-03-11 13:33:42.459	from lots of perspectives. 

2017-03-11 13:33:47.458	The foundation for Art and 

2017-03-11 13:33:48.456	healing is a nonprofit. 

2017-03-11 13:33:49.458	It has been around 14 years, and 

2017-03-11 13:33:52.457	we explore and promote the idea 

2017-03-11 13:33:53.457	that creative arts expression 

2017-03-11 13:33:53.462	improves health and well-being, 

2017-03-11 13:33:57.458	and we do that in three areas. 

2017-03-11 13:33:57.459	One is creating awareness to 

2017-03-11 13:33:59.457	people for whom it is not 

2017-03-11 13:34:01.457	immediately obvious, but I'm 

2017-03-11 13:34:04.454	happy to say most people find it

2017-03-11 13:34:08.455	an appealing idea and can 

2017-03-11 13:34:08.456	rapidly move towards it when you 

2017-03-11 13:34:11.488	put it in front of them. 

2017-03-11 13:34:11.489	We also develop innovative 

2017-03-11 13:34:15.57	programs of various kinds to 

2017-03-11 13:34:16.569	bring creative expression 

2017-03-11 13:34:17.571	opportunities to people, and we 

2017-03-11 13:34:19.571	also do research. 

2017-03-11 13:34:20.57	In many ways, I think that is 

2017-03-11 13:34:20.571	kind of the anchor for their 

2017-03-11 13:34:25.656	identity as an organization, to 

2017-03-11 13:34:25.657	try to bridge growing

2017-03-11 13:34:29.706	neurological research and 

2017-03-11 13:34:30.705	understand what is going on in 

2017-03-11 13:34:31.706	the brain with creative 

2017-03-11 13:34:31.707	expression, and then what we can 

2017-03-11 13:34:34.705	make available to people in 

2017-03-11 13:34:35.706	their communities, either 

2017-03-11 13:34:35.708	directly or through groups. 

2017-03-11 13:34:37.705	I'm here today 100% because of 

2017-03-11 13:34:41.736	an accidental encounter with 

2017-03-11 13:34:42.738	Bill O'Brien about six years 

2017-03-11 13:34:47.74	ago. 

2017-03-11 13:34:47.741	It was a convening like this on 

2017-03-11 13:34:49.735	a related topic, design and 

2017-03-11 13:34:50.736	health care, and Bill said, "you 

2017-03-11 13:34:52.735	should come see what we are 

2017-03-11 13:34:52.736	doing."

2017-03-11 13:34:57.746	It has been a terrific 

2017-03-11 13:34:59.738	partnership working with that 

2017-03-11 13:35:00.738	great energy. 

2017-03-11 13:35:00.74	Because there are so many 

2017-03-11 13:35:02.738	clinicians around the table, I 

2017-03-11 13:35:02.739	thought I would share a little 

2017-03-11 13:35:05.736	bit about our newest initiative 

2017-03-11 13:35:05.742	and focus, which is to look at 

2017-03-11 13:35:09.756	loneliness and isolation as a 

2017-03-11 13:35:09.757	public health challenge. 

2017-03-11 13:35:10.737	I will make it that now -- 

2017-03-11 13:35:15.738	within two to 43 years, you will 

2017-03-11 13:35:17.737	be hearing about loneliness and 

2017-03-11 13:35:17.738	isolation as the public health

2017-03-11 13:35:21.736	challenge that will replace the 

2017-03-11 13:35:22.736	obesity. 

2017-03-11 13:35:22.737	I know about it because you are 

2017-03-11 13:35:24.737	already hearing about it on NPR, 

2017-03-11 13:35:27.737	which is like the leading edge 

2017-03-11 13:35:27.738	of things. 

2017-03-11 13:35:27.74	I think we are generally aware

2017-03-11 13:35:31.736	that loneliness and isolation is 

2017-03-11 13:35:33.737	a challenge on the mental health 

2017-03-11 13:35:33.738	or behavioral health side, the 

2017-03-11 13:35:34.737	classic triad in the risk for 

2017-03-11 13:35:39.827	substance abuse and depression 

2017-03-11 13:35:40.862	and suicide. 

2017-03-11 13:35:40.862	There something about the lonely 

2017-03-11 13:35:47.907	brain or the isolated brain that 

2017-03-11 13:35:47.909	because of increased in 

2017-03-11 13:35:52.957	inflammatory response and 

2017-03-11 13:35:53.958	reduction in immune response has 

2017-03-11 13:35:54.954	a 30% increase of early 

2017-03-11 13:35:55.958	mortality totally separate from

2017-03-11 13:35:58.957	suicide and substance abuse, but 

2017-03-11 13:35:58.959	because of cardiovascular risk, 

2017-03-11 13:36:03.957	heart disease and stroke, and 

2017-03-11 13:36:05.988	immune deficiency, which leads 

2017-03-11 13:36:09.987	to uncle logic risk. 

2017-03-11 13:36:11.988	The risk for being lonely and 

2017-03-11 13:36:16.988	isolated is equivalent to 

2017-03-11 13:36:16.989	smoking 15 cigarettes a day. 

2017-03-11 13:36:19.987	Yet, as a society, we do not 

2017-03-11 13:36:20.987	react to it. 

2017-03-11 13:36:22.987	We do not talk to that level of 

2017-03-11 13:36:25.988	awareness, attention, and 

2017-03-11 13:36:25.992	commitment of resource, so we 

2017-03-11 13:36:28.988	have taken it on. 

2017-03-11 13:36:28.989	We have launched the un

2017-03-11 13:36:32.987	-loneliness project last May. 

2017-03-11 13:36:38.988	We do a lot of awareness, 

2017-03-11 13:36:41.988	generating, and programs, so to 

2017-03-11 13:36:43.989	generate awareness, we are doing 

2017-03-11 13:36:43.991	an online home Festival on 

2017-03-11 13:36:50.028	loneliness and isolation. 

2017-03-11 13:36:50.03	I did not take the marketing 

2017-03-11 13:36:55.113	course, but a new we should not 

2017-03-11 13:36:56.113	call of the lonely isolated film 

2017-03-11 13:36:57.113	Festival. 

2017-03-11 13:36:57.114	It is the creatively connected

2017-03-11 13:37:04.156	so Festival, and we will talk 

2017-03-11 13:37:04.158	more about -- it will lead to 

2017-03-11 13:37:07.205	end at the and some of the other 

2017-03-11 13:37:08.206	kind of activities we are 

2017-03-11 13:37:09.206	talking about. 

2017-03-11 13:37:09.207	>> Great. 

2017-03-11 13:37:09.208	>> I am a music therapist for 

2017-03-11 13:37:14.206	creative forces. 

2017-03-11 13:37:18.206	Thank you for pointing out that 

2017-03-11 13:37:19.206	clarification on the screen. 

2017-03-11 13:37:19.207	I work alongside Melissa -- am I 

2017-03-11 13:37:23.206	being too soft?  

2017-03-11 13:37:23.207	I work alongside Melissa. 

2017-03-11 13:37:30.206	I also have been working with 

2017-03-11 13:37:30.208	creative forces on the expansion 

2017-03-11 13:37:33.205	project, which I and very 

2017-03-11 13:37:36.207	grateful for the opportunity of 

2017-03-11 13:37:37.206	moving to California, which is 

2017-03-11 13:37:39.206	exciting next week to start 

2017-03-11 13:37:39.207	developing this and other areas. 

2017-03-11 13:37:42.207	Being here with some of the 

2017-03-11 13:37:46.207	colleagues I have gone to grad 

2017-03-11 13:37:48.204	school with, did my grad school 

2017-03-11 13:37:52.207	at Harvard University, and I'm a 

2017-03-11 13:37:57.204	music therapist, but I am a 

2017-03-11 13:37:58.205	musician. 

2017-03-11 13:37:58.206	This is my community, and it 

2017-03-11 13:38:01.204	always will be. 

2017-03-11 13:38:03.207	It's my home. 

2017-03-11 13:38:03.208	I only got here today, but just 

2017-03-11 13:38:05.207	by engaging in that anthem and 

2017-03-11 13:38:08.204	hearing everyone at this table 

2017-03-11 13:38:09.204	and everyone in the room say

2017-03-11 13:38:12.205	they feel very connected right 

2017-03-11 13:38:13.247	now more than ever from this 

2017-03-11 13:38:13.248	morning, even being a target 

2017-03-11 13:38:17.28	participant to the convening 

2017-03-11 13:38:17.281	just from that music experience, 

2017-03-11 13:38:22.366	I think that says a lot about 

2017-03-11 13:38:22.367	community building, through even 

2017-03-11 13:38:25.405	a small, very powerful piece. 

2017-03-11 13:38:30.406	>> Great. 

2017-03-11 13:38:30.407	>> Hello, I'm Brittany Costa. 

2017-03-11 13:38:34.405	I am a musician, and arts 

2017-03-11 13:38:37.405	administrator, and I am in the 

2017-03-11 13:38:38.422	military. 

2017-03-11 13:38:38.423	I am here today with Berklee 

2017-03-11 13:38:38.425	College of music. 

2017-03-11 13:38:41.406	I found out about the convening 

2017-03-11 13:38:41.407	from Rebecca, so thank you. 

2017-03-11 13:38:45.405	I and the department coordinator 

2017-03-11 13:38:45.407	there, and we are trying to grow 

2017-03-11 13:38:50.455	our program so we can reach out 

2017-03-11 13:38:51.456	more to the military and veteran 

2017-03-11 13:38:53.47	community. 

2017-03-11 13:38:53.472	We are trying to expand because 

2017-03-11 13:38:55.456	it is what we feel we need to

2017-03-11 13:38:58.456	do. 

2017-03-11 13:38:58.457	It is a very important community 

2017-03-11 13:38:59.456	that should experience music 

2017-03-11 13:39:02.457	therapy, and it is already 

2017-03-11 13:39:04.457	happening at Walter Reed and a 

2017-03-11 13:39:05.455	lot of other veterans 

2017-03-11 13:39:05.456	organizations, and a lot of our 

2017-03-11 13:39:06.454	students are expressing the 

2017-03-11 13:39:09.459	wanting to be involved in that 

2017-03-11 13:39:14.456	population, so we are hoping to 

2017-03-11 13:39:15.455	partner with more local 

2017-03-11 13:39:17.456	organizations, veteran 

2017-03-11 13:39:17.457	hospitals, other universities 

2017-03-11 13:39:20.456	where they have a veteran 

2017-03-11 13:39:22.457	student population to train our 

2017-03-11 13:39:22.458	students with professional music 

2017-03-11 13:39:26.453	therapy facilitators. 

2017-03-11 13:39:27.456	That way, we are training our

2017-03-11 13:39:30.456	students to have the knowledge 

2017-03-11 13:39:31.457	of that population, the 

2017-03-11 13:39:31.458	knowledge of how to work with

2017-03-11 13:39:35.453	that population and also 

2017-03-11 13:39:35.455	contribute to the community by 

2017-03-11 13:39:38.574	providing more music therapy 

2017-03-11 13:39:39.57	outlets to them. 

2017-03-11 13:39:40.572	Through that, we will research 

2017-03-11 13:39:41.574	and evaluate so we can provide 

2017-03-11 13:39:44.614	data to establish more funding

2017-03-11 13:39:47.704	because foundations love data. 

2017-03-11 13:39:52.755	We don't think that we need to

2017-03-11 13:39:55.754	prove the validity, but Western 

2017-03-11 13:39:55.755	medicine thinks that we do, so 

2017-03-11 13:39:59.758	we are going to continue to do 

2017-03-11 13:40:01.755	that, and that way, we can 

2017-03-11 13:40:03.755	create sustainability through 

2017-03-11 13:40:04.755	our programming. 

2017-03-11 13:40:05.758	On the other side, my military 

2017-03-11 13:40:06.757	experience, I have been in for 

2017-03-11 13:40:11.755	11 years the Army band, but I 

2017-03-11 13:40:12.754	also did five years active duty 

2017-03-11 13:40:14.756	in a military health care 

2017-03-11 13:40:14.757	facility. 

2017-03-11 13:40:14.758	>> I'm Scott Engel, a 

2017-03-11 13:40:17.754	psychologist over at Fort Hood. 

2017-03-11 13:40:17.756	Again, the caveat, the Jews I 

2017-03-11 13:40:21.755	express are not the views of the 

2017-03-11 13:40:25.756	duty but are specifically my 

2017-03-11 13:40:26.755	own. 

2017-03-11 13:40:26.756	That aside, I and a civilian and 

2017-03-11 13:40:28.77	not an artist, so why am I here?

2017-03-11 13:40:32.755	That poses an important 

2017-03-11 13:40:32.756	question. 

2017-03-11 13:40:32.758	It has been somewhat 

2017-03-11 13:40:34.754	uncomfortable at times. 

2017-03-11 13:40:34.755	If my mother is watching, at the 

2017-03-11 13:40:37.756	six great -- the sixth grade 

2017-03-11 13:40:42.755	recital, I wasn't really playing 

2017-03-11 13:40:43.755	the clarinet. 

2017-03-11 13:40:44.756	I pretended. 

2017-03-11 13:40:44.757	So now it is out. 

2017-03-11 13:40:44.758	We are a very uniquely situated. 

2017-03-11 13:40:53.755	We are a private public 

2017-03-11 13:40:53.756	partnership with DOD and the 

2017-03-11 13:40:57.823	intrepid heroes fund. 

2017-03-11 13:40:58.823	We have four separate sections 

2017-03-11 13:41:00.866	where we are treating the 

2017-03-11 13:41:00.867	servicemember holistically. 

2017-03-11 13:41:00.869	We have a medical section, rehab 

2017-03-11 13:41:02.906	section, pains action, 

2017-03-11 13:41:05.956	psychological health section. 

2017-03-11 13:41:09.031	I have over 50 assets in that 

2017-03-11 13:41:11.031	footprint and somehow I get to 

2017-03-11 13:41:12.034	be the director, so it is quite 

2017-03-11 13:41:13.031	a privilege. 

2017-03-11 13:41:13.032	We recently partnered with a BA 

2017-03-11 13:41:17.033	and are expanding services to 

2017-03-11 13:41:18.031	include art therapy. 

2017-03-11 13:41:19.033	Part of the challenge I face is

2017-03-11 13:41:22.035	intuitively understanding as a 

2017-03-11 13:41:22.037	psycho dynamically trained 

2017-03-11 13:41:23.034	psychologist the value and 

2017-03-11 13:41:29.075	utility of art, how to convince 

2017-03-11 13:41:30.073	my staff there is value added. 

2017-03-11 13:41:31.074	Eventually, they understand they 

2017-03-11 13:41:36.117	have to get on the boat or they 

2017-03-11 13:41:37.117	will not be able to stay because 

2017-03-11 13:41:39.156	this is where we are going. 

2017-03-11 13:41:40.156	There is a richness to this that 

2017-03-11 13:41:42.156	I think has to be explained to 

2017-03-11 13:41:44.156	our staff so people understand 

2017-03-11 13:41:46.26	it. 

2017-03-11 13:41:46.261	Getting our servicemembers 

2017-03-11 13:41:46.262	exposed to art therapy and 

2017-03-11 13:41:50.156	eventually building bridges to 

2017-03-11 13:41:51.157	our community so they can get 

2017-03-11 13:41:52.211	out of the bunker and get back 

2017-03-11 13:41:52.213	to the community and be engaged. 

2017-03-11 13:41:55.158	I will stop there. 

2017-03-11 13:41:55.159	>> Hi, I'm Bill O'Brien, senior 

2017-03-11 13:42:00.158	advisor for the Chama for 

2017-03-11 13:42:04.159	national endowment of the arts, 

2017-03-11 13:42:05.157	and I come to this table with a 

2017-03-11 13:42:07.157	sense of all my worlds 

2017-03-11 13:42:09.158	colliding. 

2017-03-11 13:42:09.16	I think there is a shift in 

2017-03-11 13:42:09.161	value that I experienced that is 

2017-03-11 13:42:13.157	worth me bringing forward at 

2017-03-11 13:42:14.156	this conversation. 

2017-03-11 13:42:14.158	I spent about 15 of my first 

2017-03-11 13:42:19.255	adult years as a theater making 

2017-03-11 13:42:19.256	practitioner performing on 

2017-03-11 13:42:23.325	stages in 48 states, writing and 

2017-03-11 13:42:25.325	composing music for national 

2017-03-11 13:42:25.326	tour's and becoming a producer. 

2017-03-11 13:42:30.324	About 10 years ago, I came to 

2017-03-11 13:42:31.406	the national endowment for the 

2017-03-11 13:42:31.407	arts, witnessed the birth of 

2017-03-11 13:42:34.367	Howell -- HowlRound, and for 

2017-03-11 13:42:42.412	about 6, 7 years now, I have an 

2017-03-11 13:42:43.407	working on setting up a program 

2017-03-11 13:42:49.409	innovation office. 

2017-03-11 13:42:49.41	We look a lot at the 

2017-03-11 13:42:50.407	intersection of art, science, 

2017-03-11 13:42:52.407	nature of creativity in the 

2017-03-11 13:42:53.409	brain, that kind of thing, but 

2017-03-11 13:42:53.41	also arts and health and 

2017-03-11 13:42:56.408	military was the other thing 

2017-03-11 13:42:56.41	that I was given a task to 

2017-03-11 13:42:59.409	consider, and I realized it all 

2017-03-11 13:43:01.47	came together in one fell swoop. 

2017-03-11 13:43:03.909	The reason I wanted to bring 

2017-03-11 13:43:10.953	this foreword is that as a 

2017-03-11 13:43:10.954	practitioner and as the 

2017-03-11 13:43:11.953	experience that I've had as

2017-03-11 13:43:17.954	desperate doing art as a 

2017-03-11 13:43:17.955	colleague, as a vocation, there 

2017-03-11 13:43:21.957	is a set of core values I think 

2017-03-11 13:43:21.959	we all understood, and they are 

2017-03-11 13:43:25.959	things like freedom of speech, 

2017-03-11 13:43:27.956	the resistance of content 

2017-03-11 13:43:29.953	shaping, not allowing your art 

2017-03-11 13:43:29.954	to be used as a reduced utility 

2017-03-11 13:43:34.964	for some other purpose. 

2017-03-11 13:43:34.965	If there is one thing that has 

2017-03-11 13:43:37.954	been a really interesting shift

2017-03-11 13:43:40.953	in my mind, as we work in a very 

2017-03-11 13:43:43.003	patient-centered,

2017-03-11 13:43:45.004	person-centered way, it is to 

2017-03-11 13:43:45.005	think again about who is an 

2017-03-11 13:43:46.034	artist and what is the purpose 

2017-03-11 13:43:48.124	of that art. 

2017-03-11 13:43:51.077	When you really put it into a 

2017-03-11 13:43:51.078	specific purpose where you are 

2017-03-11 13:43:55.159	locking arms with a team of 

2017-03-11 13:43:55.16	people and you are bringing arts

2017-03-11 13:43:58.159	to the table to confront a 

2017-03-11 13:43:59.161	societal concern that a lot of 

2017-03-11 13:43:59.163	evil care about, those values 

2017-03-11 13:44:05.204	need to be reconsidered. 

2017-03-11 13:44:07.204	It's OK to be thinking about the 

2017-03-11 13:44:09.205	art as a utility, to be thinking 

2017-03-11 13:44:09.206	about we are bringing arts into 

2017-03-11 13:44:14.205	play as an important player in 

2017-03-11 13:44:14.206	the role of the effort to 

2017-03-11 13:44:17.223	confront the most vexing

2017-03-11 13:44:22.204	invisible wounds of war. 

2017-03-11 13:44:23.206	I think it is a very powerful 

2017-03-11 13:44:23.207	thing. 

2017-03-11 13:44:23.212	It really reintegrated, 

2017-03-11 13:44:28.206	reenergized my sense of what art 

2017-03-11 13:44:29.205	means to me, who does it, where 

2017-03-11 13:44:32.206	it happens. 

2017-03-11 13:44:33.206	>> Is a great place to begin. 

2017-03-11 13:44:33.207	Sarah, I'm going to come to you. 

2017-03-11 13:44:36.205	>> I said I was the imposter. 

2017-03-11 13:44:40.259	>> Yeah, that's why. 

2017-03-11 13:44:42.254	One of the things that has sort 

2017-03-11 13:44:47.256	of a reason in the earlier 

2017-03-11 13:44:47.257	conversations -- there seems to 

2017-03-11 13:44:47.258	be -- three different areas have 

2017-03-11 13:44:53.255	surfaced in terms of the utility 

2017-03-11 13:44:56.256	aspect. 

2017-03-11 13:44:56.257	We all have it out of a sense 

2017-03-11 13:44:57.255	that this work is happening and 

2017-03-11 13:45:02.284	matters. 

2017-03-11 13:45:02.285	But then I have heard this kind 

2017-03-11 13:45:02.286	of divergence about how and why. 

2017-03-11 13:45:09.409	The area that is striking me is 

2017-03-11 13:45:11.505	we have been talking about 

2017-03-11 13:45:12.506	cultural diplomacy, that just

2017-03-11 13:45:16.533	surfaced recently as the utility 

2017-03-11 13:45:17.537	of art and military as a tool of 

2017-03-11 13:45:20.537	cultural diplomacy. 

2017-03-11 13:45:20.539	We also talked about it as a 

2017-03-11 13:45:20.54	healing tool, and we have talked 

2017-03-11 13:45:23.536	about it as civics literacy. 

2017-03-11 13:45:25.534	And anybody can jump in, but I 

2017-03-11 13:45:27.533	wanted to ask you specifically 

2017-03-11 13:45:30.534	-- is it important to you -- do 

2017-03-11 13:45:34.534	you think we are clear at the 

2017-03-11 13:45:36.535	outset -- are we doing all three 

2017-03-11 13:45:36.536	at once?  

2017-03-11 13:45:40.535	Do we need to be focused on 

2017-03-11 13:45:40.536	which we are doing and which we

2017-03-11 13:45:42.534	are not doing?  

2017-03-11 13:45:44.535	How important is it to be clear

2017-03-11 13:45:47.543	from your perspective?  

2017-03-11 13:45:48.535	>> I think it is really 

2017-03-11 13:45:49.551	important that we are very clear 

2017-03-11 13:45:51.846	what our intention is at the 

2017-03-11 13:45:53.533	outset. 

2017-03-11 13:45:53.535	That does not mean there are not 

2017-03-11 13:45:55.576	sometimes unintended

2017-03-11 13:45:58.576	consequences of something that 

2017-03-11 13:45:58.577	happens, and I can give a very 

2017-03-11 13:46:02.577	clear example. 

2017-03-11 13:46:06.577	When Melissa was engaged with 

2017-03-11 13:46:07.576	our patients doing a mask making 

2017-03-11 13:46:14.577	therapeutic intervention, and 

2017-03-11 13:46:15.577	clearly, the intent is a very 

2017-03-11 13:46:18.619	specific healing intention for 

2017-03-11 13:46:19.659	an individual patient, but one 

2017-03-11 13:46:21.705	of the things we did was we 

2017-03-11 13:46:21.707	started to display the masks in 

2017-03-11 13:46:27.754	the center in a way that I think 

2017-03-11 13:46:29.755	importantly invited others into 

2017-03-11 13:46:29.757	engaging in their own error 

2017-03-11 13:46:32.828	free. 

2017-03-11 13:46:32.829	They realized when they walked 

2017-03-11 13:46:33.828	into the studio and saw the 

2017-03-11 13:46:33.829	masks of other people that they 

2017-03-11 13:46:37.955	were not alone, that they could 

2017-03-11 13:46:38.956	go with others and take that 

2017-03-11 13:46:39.955	risk of engaging in therapy. 

2017-03-11 13:46:43.955	What started as an individual 

2017-03-11 13:46:46.005	therapeutic encounter could be 

2017-03-11 13:46:47.005	used as a way almost 

2017-03-11 13:46:48.005	unintentionally to invite others 

2017-03-11 13:46:48.007	into therapy. 

2017-03-11 13:46:51.006	The last part of that same 

2017-03-11 13:46:52.006	thing, that gets into the civic 

2017-03-11 13:46:55.006	discourse on this initiative is 

2017-03-11 13:46:57.005	these same masks became sort of 

2017-03-11 13:46:59.162	an interest to "National 

2017-03-11 13:47:01.007	Geographic," and a spread in 

2017-03-11 13:47:06.005	"National Geographic" was done, 

2017-03-11 13:47:08.008	highlighting some of the work. 

2017-03-11 13:47:11.005	As I would have to sit there and 

2017-03-11 13:47:13.006	justify the cost of the 

2017-03-11 13:47:14.006	facility, I would talk about the 

2017-03-11 13:47:14.007	value of what happened in the 

2017-03-11 13:47:18.003	facility in helping educate 

2017-03-11 13:47:18.004	society of what 15 years of war 

2017-03-11 13:47:22.006	looks like. 

2017-03-11 13:47:23.003	I think that is incredibly 

2017-03-11 13:47:25.009	important. 

2017-03-11 13:47:25.01	A lot of what I have heard in 

2017-03-11 13:47:27.004	this room the past couple of 

2017-03-11 13:47:28.003	days. 

2017-03-11 13:47:28.004	But I think at the very 

2017-03-11 13:47:29.003	beginning, we always go back to 

2017-03-11 13:47:31.004	why we are creating those masks, 

2017-03-11 13:47:33.004	and if we deviate from that to 

2017-03-11 13:47:37.004	start to be about civic 

2017-03-11 13:47:38.004	discourse, I think then we are 

2017-03-11 13:47:39.036	making those patients artists, 

2017-03-11 13:47:44.078	and that is not what is 

2017-03-11 13:47:45.079	important. 

2017-03-11 13:47:45.08	What is important to them is

2017-03-11 13:47:48.158	healing. 

2017-03-11 13:47:48.159	Where we start is, I think, 

2017-03-11 13:47:49.162	critically important, but I 

2017-03-11 13:47:49.163	think we ought to be open to how 

2017-03-11 13:47:53.206	they can be used in other ways. 

2017-03-11 13:47:55.205	>> That open to influences that 

2017-03-11 13:47:56.204	Liz suggested earlier. 

2017-03-11 13:48:00.253	Anyone have a follow on to that? 

2017-03-11 13:48:01.288	>> I would like to piggyback on 

2017-03-11 13:48:08.287	that. 

2017-03-11 13:48:08.289	>> I don't know if you want to 

2017-03-11 13:48:11.346	piggyback on me. 

2017-03-11 13:48:14.375	I could care you, but I would 

2017-03-11 13:48:16.37	take us totally off road. 

2017-03-11 13:48:17.373	>> I keep hearing these 

2017-03-11 13:48:17.374	conversations about art as 

2017-03-11 13:48:20.369	though it is a separate entity 

2017-03-11 13:48:20.37	from the person. 

2017-03-11 13:48:22.373	In other words, like this a 

2017-03-11 13:48:26.373	person, they are breathing. 

2017-03-11 13:48:29.37	Did you see that?  

2017-03-11 13:48:29.371	Or they are eating. 

2017-03-11 13:48:31.376	This is such a natural part of 

2017-03-11 13:48:33.37	who we are. 

2017-03-11 13:48:33.372	With an integrated health and 

2017-03-11 13:48:36.369	wellness, when people come, I do 

2017-03-11 13:48:39.371	not immediately assume that they 

2017-03-11 13:48:39.372	do not take care of themselves. 

2017-03-11 13:48:40.369	I ask them how they take care of 

2017-03-11 13:48:43.371	themselves. 

2017-03-11 13:48:43.372	His the same thing. 

2017-03-11 13:48:45.37	I do not assume you are not 

2017-03-11 13:48:48.37	created or an artist. 

2017-03-11 13:48:49.371	I would like to know how you

2017-03-11 13:48:51.371	are. 

2017-03-11 13:48:51.372	At the end of the day, we are 

2017-03-11 13:48:51.373	all storytellers. 

2017-03-11 13:48:54.37	You just told a story. 

2017-03-11 13:48:54.372	We all curate our lives. 

2017-03-11 13:48:58.37	We are all creative. 

2017-03-11 13:48:58.371	I think we are reinforcing that 

2017-03-11 13:49:03.456	paradigm. 

2017-03-11 13:49:04.506	That's not helpful. 

2017-03-11 13:49:04.507	>> As an artist, which is my 

2017-03-11 13:49:08.537	relationship to this work, when 

2017-03-11 13:49:11.579	I into, how do I express that?  

2017-03-11 13:49:22.661	Both my sense of understanding 

2017-03-11 13:49:22.662	that and my curiosity about the 

2017-03-11 13:49:28.662	difference between your 

2017-03-11 13:49:29.664	experience and how you are going 

2017-03-11 13:49:30.663	to express it as an artist and 

2017-03-11 13:49:30.664	my experience?  

2017-03-11 13:49:32.662	How to white inter-in a way that 

2017-03-11 13:49:36.662	doesn't say, "good for you, you 

2017-03-11 13:49:36.663	are eating. 

2017-03-11 13:49:39.704	And I'm so surprised you can 

2017-03-11 13:49:41.703	breathe." -- how do I enter. 

2017-03-11 13:49:50.704	>> It reinforces the idea that 

2017-03-11 13:49:52.703	it is something separate, so art 

2017-03-11 13:49:54.704	should be and inclusive term and 

2017-03-11 13:49:55.705	not an exclusive one. 

2017-03-11 13:49:56.704	There is a difference between 

2017-03-11 13:49:56.706	being a professional artist, and 

2017-03-11 13:50:01.704	artist who kind of dabbles, but 

2017-03-11 13:50:02.704	we are all artists, and we are 

2017-03-11 13:50:06.705	all created. 

2017-03-11 13:50:06.706	We use terms like "the arts," 

2017-03-11 13:50:09.704	but that is like someone saying, 

2017-03-11 13:50:14.703	"tell me about medicine."

2017-03-11 13:50:20.703	I think sometimes our messaging

2017-03-11 13:50:23.704	is not clear, and it interferes 

2017-03-11 13:50:25.706	with what we are trying to do, 

2017-03-11 13:50:25.707	right?  

2017-03-11 13:50:29.755	Reminding people that we are 

2017-03-11 13:50:30.755	creative and it is as natural as 

2017-03-11 13:50:31.755	breathing and eating. 

2017-03-11 13:50:35.832	>> If I can, I'm going to try to 

2017-03-11 13:50:35.833	string two points from that. 

2017-03-11 13:50:42.954	Artwork is an extension of 

2017-03-11 13:50:42.955	ourselves. 

2017-03-11 13:50:43.955	From our therapists' point of 

2017-03-11 13:50:48.006	view, we use art to connect with 

2017-03-11 13:50:51.005	the patient. 

2017-03-11 13:50:52.006	Same as the music. 

2017-03-11 13:50:54.006	In the case of "National 

2017-03-11 13:50:55.005	Geographic, I had to very 

2017-03-11 13:50:56.008	carefully choose who was 

2017-03-11 13:50:59.004	involved in the project, and I 

2017-03-11 13:51:00.006	think it is important for people 

2017-03-11 13:51:01.005	to know that. 

2017-03-11 13:51:01.005	I did not just pick a couple of 

2017-03-11 13:51:03.003	names out of a hat. 

2017-03-11 13:51:07.003	They were less vulnerable. 

2017-03-11 13:51:08.005	They had to opt into it and feel 

2017-03-11 13:51:11.006	comfortable with it and I had to 

2017-03-11 13:51:11.006	also explained to them that they

2017-03-11 13:51:16.005	are out there in society for 

2017-03-11 13:51:18.006	people to judge, but it also had 

2017-03-11 13:51:20.003	positive aspects in that people

2017-03-11 13:51:23.002	became aware of our therapy as a 

2017-03-11 13:51:25.006	way to treat these invisible 

2017-03-11 13:51:27.003	wounds of war, and it also 

2017-03-11 13:51:28.004	allowed society to better 

2017-03-11 13:51:28.005	understand what they were going 

2017-03-11 13:51:32.008	through, so invalidated their 

2017-03-11 13:51:33.004	experiences, which was a 

2017-03-11 13:51:35.015	beautiful thing, and a think 

2017-03-11 13:51:36.004	that plays into the end of the 

2017-03-11 13:51:36.006	part of this conversation we are 

2017-03-11 13:51:38.004	about to get into. 

2017-03-11 13:51:39.003	One more thing about this

2017-03-11 13:51:42.005	loneliness and isolation -- 

2017-03-11 13:51:42.006	these masks have created a 

2017-03-11 13:51:47.082	community for the service 

2017-03-11 13:51:47.083	members. 

2017-03-11 13:51:47.084	Community has been strong

2017-03-11 13:51:51.123	through this entire event and 

2017-03-11 13:51:51.124	also has shown up in our 

2017-03-11 13:51:53.121	research. 

2017-03-11 13:51:53.123	We researched about 400 of the 

2017-03-11 13:51:56.163	masks. 

2017-03-11 13:52:00.208	We have had about 1300 created. 

2017-03-11 13:52:01.253	Those service members who 

2017-03-11 13:52:09.254	symbolized his sense of 

2017-03-11 13:52:10.254	community, either within their 

2017-03-11 13:52:10.255	team or within the military or 

2017-03-11 13:52:14.255	within their families, they had 

2017-03-11 13:52:14.256	a lower score of PTSD. 

2017-03-11 13:52:20.27	So we are able to take that and 

2017-03-11 13:52:23.255	know that sense of community is 

2017-03-11 13:52:23.256	a protective factor. 

2017-03-11 13:52:23.258	Loneliness and isolation, not a 

2017-03-11 13:52:28.254	healthy thing. 

2017-03-11 13:52:29.252	The arts are a great and 

2017-03-11 13:52:30.254	beautiful way to help create 

2017-03-11 13:52:31.258	that sense of community. 

2017-03-11 13:52:31.263	We have seen service members 

2017-03-11 13:52:34.255	create actual artist teams

2017-03-11 13:52:38.254	working together outside of the 

2017-03-11 13:52:40.252	clinical round, so it does 

2017-03-11 13:52:41.252	happen. 

2017-03-11 13:52:42.256	I think this is such an 

2017-03-11 13:52:43.255	important conversation for us to 

2017-03-11 13:52:43.257	have. 

2017-03-11 13:52:43.258	>> Can I just add onto that as a 

2017-03-11 13:52:49.255	clinician?  

2017-03-11 13:52:49.256	I had the opportunity of

2017-03-11 13:52:53.254	visiting you in Washington just 

2017-03-11 13:52:54.255	a few weeks ago, and as soon as 

2017-03-11 13:52:56.253	you were up close and looking at 

2017-03-11 13:52:56.255	a mask, you can start to 

2017-03-11 13:53:00.255	understand, having not even met 

2017-03-11 13:53:00.256	the veteran, some of the things 

2017-03-11 13:53:02.254	they are going through, and just 

2017-03-11 13:53:05.252	looking at those masks, they 

2017-03-11 13:53:08.304	speak so loudly that that 

2017-03-11 13:53:08.305	increased my into the and really 

2017-03-11 13:53:11.302	prepared me for this conference, 

2017-03-11 13:53:15.373	to see the kinds of struggles 

2017-03-11 13:53:15.374	that are expressed through a 

2017-03-11 13:53:17.415	simple mask, and I think that is 

2017-03-11 13:53:20.553	building a community. 

2017-03-11 13:53:20.554	It is difficult for us to be 

2017-03-11 13:53:23.553	thinking -- you know, clinicians 

2017-03-11 13:53:29.553	are on one side and patience are 

2017-03-11 13:53:30.554	on the other and which ones are 

2017-03-11 13:53:30.555	the artist?  

2017-03-11 13:53:33.553	As many opportunities as we had 

2017-03-11 13:53:35.554	to either make art together or 

2017-03-11 13:53:37.554	to discuss art together, that 

2017-03-11 13:53:38.557	breaks down the barriers. 

2017-03-11 13:53:38.558	>> I think there's actually 

2017-03-11 13:53:41.553	three different dimensions that 

2017-03-11 13:53:45.554	we are trying to blend a bit 

2017-03-11 13:53:45.555	today, which is there's the 

2017-03-11 13:53:48.554	clinicians, the patients, and 

2017-03-11 13:53:49.556	the artists, as though they were 

2017-03-11 13:53:54.554	separate. 

2017-03-11 13:53:54.555	And as civilian artists, artists 

2017-03-11 13:53:57.554	with no experience in the 

2017-03-11 13:54:02.554	military entering this 

2017-03-11 13:54:03.554	conversation, how do we enter in 

2017-03-11 13:54:03.555	a place of understanding that we 

2017-03-11 13:54:04.555	are part of this continuity, you 

2017-03-11 13:54:06.554	know, this unity?  

2017-03-11 13:54:07.554	I want to let Michelle go 

2017-03-11 13:54:12.555	because it was a bit ago, and 

2017-03-11 13:54:13.557	then I have a question for you. 

2017-03-11 13:54:14.555	>> I just wanted to touch base

2017-03-11 13:54:17.553	on a couple of things with 

2017-03-11 13:54:18.554	Jeremy and Melissa and everyone 

2017-03-11 13:54:18.556	who is talking. 

2017-03-11 13:54:20.554	With the V.A. caregiver program, 

2017-03-11 13:54:26.583	during the RAND study in 2014, 

2017-03-11 13:54:28.581	they did identify that 53% of 

2017-03-11 13:54:32.626	the caregivers definitely feel 

2017-03-11 13:54:34.623	isolated. 

2017-03-11 13:54:34.624	With that being said that they 

2017-03-11 13:54:38.666	are looking for the social 

2017-03-11 13:54:38.667	support. 

2017-03-11 13:54:38.668	With that going up to the next 

2017-03-11 13:54:43.754	level, we have a program, which 

2017-03-11 13:54:46.805	is the peer support mentoring 

2017-03-11 13:54:50.803	program, and where caregivers 

2017-03-11 13:54:55.804	teach other caregivers on a 

2017-03-11 13:54:55.805	national level. 

2017-03-11 13:54:55.806	Because of the outcome study, we 

2017-03-11 13:54:59.803	have found that local peer 

2017-03-11 13:55:03.803	mentoring 101 is to face is more 

2017-03-11 13:55:06.802	-- has more of an impact. 

2017-03-11 13:55:10.803	Just to give you an idea of what 

2017-03-11 13:55:10.804	is happening, you know, to bring 

2017-03-11 13:55:15.803	it closer together, pyramid 

2017-03-11 13:55:15.804	tour's --. 

2017-03-11 13:55:17.803	Mentors -- peer mentors 

2017-03-11 13:55:24.805	volunteer around the nation at

2017-03-11 13:55:28.804	over 50 organizations. 

2017-03-11 13:55:28.805	There's probably some 

2017-03-11 13:55:28.807	organizations in your community 

2017-03-11 13:55:31.803	that you are not aware of. 

2017-03-11 13:55:32.804	Also, they walk the walk. 

2017-03-11 13:55:36.807	That's one of my sayings that we 

2017-03-11 13:55:37.804	reflect on. 

2017-03-11 13:55:37.805	If you cannot walk in my shoes, 

2017-03-11 13:55:41.804	walk the walk. 

2017-03-11 13:55:45.804	That's really where they are 

2017-03-11 13:55:45.805	promoting their education, their 

2017-03-11 13:55:49.834	knowledge, and sharing their 

2017-03-11 13:55:51.876	experiences. 

2017-03-11 13:55:51.878	What I'm getting at also is that 

2017-03-11 13:55:53.919	there is some of the mentors

2017-03-11 13:56:01.004	expressing through art therapy 

2017-03-11 13:56:01.005	and through music therapy, and 

2017-03-11 13:56:05.005	as a matter of fact, one of my 

2017-03-11 13:56:05.006	mentors is pretty much a subject 

2017-03-11 13:56:09.055	matter expert dealing with PTSD 

2017-03-11 13:56:12.055	and art and wrote a book. 

2017-03-11 13:56:12.056	So I'm really glad to see that 

2017-03-11 13:56:17.054	this is coming together. 

2017-03-11 13:56:18.053	>> Is there a place we can find 

2017-03-11 13:56:19.055	that list of 50 -- we don't need 

2017-03-11 13:56:23.055	to go through the list now, but 

2017-03-11 13:56:23.056	a place we can get that 

2017-03-11 13:56:27.055	information and put it into the 

2017-03-11 13:56:27.056	report so people can have it?  

2017-03-11 13:56:30.054	Great. 

2017-03-11 13:56:30.055	>> Just something to piggyback 

2017-03-11 13:56:34.052	off that comment. 

2017-03-11 13:56:34.053	When we were in creative forces, 

2017-03-11 13:56:37.053	we held a meeting in San Diego

2017-03-11 13:56:41.054	around Veterans Day last year. 

2017-03-11 13:56:41.055	From combat arts, one of the 

2017-03-11 13:56:45.072	artists in the community -- she 

2017-03-11 13:56:50.055	is not an art Arabist. 

2017-03-11 13:56:53.052	She is very eager to say she is 

2017-03-11 13:56:54.053	not an art therapist and works 

2017-03-11 13:56:54.054	closely with leadership as well, 

2017-03-11 13:56:56.052	but the question was how do you 

2017-03-11 13:57:02.055	access, and she said one of the 

2017-03-11 13:57:02.056	biggest things that helped her 

2017-03-11 13:57:04.055	was getting those peer mentor 

2017-03-11 13:57:08.083	veterans who help her to bridge 

2017-03-11 13:57:08.084	the gap between what she does 

2017-03-11 13:57:12.128	not know, her gap in knowledge 

2017-03-11 13:57:13.125	and what the needs are of that 

2017-03-11 13:57:15.128	population. 

2017-03-11 13:57:15.129	She does not have necessarily 

2017-03-11 13:57:16.127	therapeutic trading -- training. 

2017-03-11 13:57:19.211	She is not a credentialed art

2017-03-11 13:57:22.305	therapist. 

2017-03-11 13:57:22.306	It is supplemental. 

2017-03-11 13:57:22.306	It is meeting a need because 

2017-03-11 13:57:26.302	there is not an art therapist at 

2017-03-11 13:57:28.302	that base yet. 

2017-03-11 13:57:29.304	Instead of having no art, they 

2017-03-11 13:57:29.306	are using community artists in a 

2017-03-11 13:57:35.304	way they can bridge that gap. 

2017-03-11 13:57:37.304	Working in San Diego in the 

2017-03-11 13:57:38.305	nonprofit sector before I moved 

2017-03-11 13:57:38.306	into creative forces, I have had 

2017-03-11 13:57:41.305	some great experiences with

2017-03-11 13:57:46.303	community interaction. 

2017-03-11 13:57:46.304	I had a lot of eager Hollywood 

2017-03-11 13:57:49.304	musicians wanting to partner. 

2017-03-11 13:57:50.303	Some of those partnerships went 

2017-03-11 13:57:53.303	really well and some did not. 

2017-03-11 13:57:54.303	For everything that goes well, 

2017-03-11 13:57:55.305	those few that did not -- what I 

2017-03-11 13:57:57.304	saw exploiting the veteran was 

2017-03-11 13:58:02.303	very problematic. 

2017-03-11 13:58:03.305	And we can be inclusive, but it 

2017-03-11 13:58:03.306	is informed inclusivity. 

2017-03-11 13:58:06.303	People have to be informed. 

2017-03-11 13:58:10.304	Information sharing. 

2017-03-11 13:58:10.31	>> Talk more about the elements 

2017-03-11 13:58:12.304	of what was wrong, what went 

2017-03-11 13:58:13.305	wrong?  

2017-03-11 13:58:15.304	We want to make sure that we are

2017-03-11 13:58:20.304	surfacing mistakes as well as -- 

2017-03-11 13:58:21.306	>> Everything is a spectrum. 

2017-03-11 13:58:23.305	Everything is a continuum, 

2017-03-11 13:58:24.304	right?  

2017-03-11 13:58:24.305	On a spectrum, I always start 

2017-03-11 13:58:30.303	with positives. 

2017-03-11 13:58:30.304	What went really well -- 

2017-03-11 13:58:30.305	programs like music or with 

2017-03-11 13:58:34.377	Arthur Bloom, and he works on

2017-03-11 13:58:37.459	base at Walter Reed, and he 

2017-03-11 13:58:38.46	works with patients, with 

2017-03-11 13:58:39.462	musicians and musician trainers, 

2017-03-11 13:58:43.564	with patients who have a strong 

2017-03-11 13:58:45.551	clinical team, and he takes them 

2017-03-11 13:58:47.553	out to perform at Kennedy Center 

2017-03-11 13:58:48.553	for an open audience of their 

2017-03-11 13:58:50.552	peers, the community, the 

2017-03-11 13:58:50.553	civilian bridging that divide, 

2017-03-11 13:58:54.552	to a spectrum where we have some 

2017-03-11 13:58:54.553	people from Hollywood who are 

2017-03-11 13:58:58.552	working with service members to 

2017-03-11 13:58:59.553	record their song and in of 

2017-03-11 13:58:59.554	exploiting that with people who 

2017-03-11 13:59:02.552	shall remain nameless -- Billy 

2017-03-11 13:59:04.551	Ray Cyrus. 

2017-03-11 13:59:07.585	It is out in public. 

2017-03-11 13:59:07.586	>> Is public information. 

2017-03-11 13:59:13.586	>> It was on CNN where they had 

2017-03-11 13:59:13.587	this song that was written in a 

2017-03-11 13:59:15.585	music therapy context and was 

2017-03-11 13:59:20.588	very much shifted and then made 

2017-03-11 13:59:20.589	a music video that was blasted 

2017-03-11 13:59:21.585	across the nation, to a much 

2017-03-11 13:59:26.585	more severe end of the spectrum 

2017-03-11 13:59:27.586	where there is a songwriting 

2017-03-11 13:59:29.587	workshop that highlighted a 

2017-03-11 13:59:29.588	service member who wrote a song 

2017-03-11 13:59:31.886	called "I can't see the sunshine

2017-03-11 13:59:36.587	," about his experience in 

2017-03-11 13:59:36.589	combat, losing friends and 

2017-03-11 13:59:40.586	family members, and after that 

2017-03-11 13:59:42.586	was broadcast, the service 

2017-03-11 13:59:43.586	member ended up killing himself, 

2017-03-11 13:59:44.585	and the headline read, "veteran 

2017-03-11 13:59:45.586	engaged in music therapy commits 

2017-03-11 13:59:48.629	suicide."  

2017-03-11 13:59:51.669	That was not music therapy, but 

2017-03-11 13:59:55.703	IT WAS JUST INFORMED BY THE 

2017-03-11 13:59:55.704	MEDIA. 

2017-03-11 13:59:55.705	>> CHEMICAL YOU IN ON THIS? 

2017-03-11 13:59:59.739	YESTERDAY HE RAISED THE QUESTION 

2017-03-11 14:00:02.787	VERY DIRECTLY ABOUT WHAT DOORS, 

2017-03-11 14:00:03.789	WITH TRIGGERS AND HOW TO MANAGE 

2017-03-11 14:00:05.79	THOSE. 

2017-03-11 14:00:10.839	>> Our patient population is 

2017-03-11 14:00:16.863	very fragile. 

2017-03-11 14:00:16.864	And moving to get treatment is 

2017-03-11 14:00:18.906	courageous. 

2017-03-11 14:00:19.904	The warrior ethos prohibits 

2017-03-11 14:00:23.906	seeking of care. 

2017-03-11 14:00:23.907	Their efforts to change the 

2017-03-11 14:00:26.906	culture and it happens very 

2017-03-11 14:00:26.907	incrementally. 

2017-03-11 14:00:27.905	The Spirit Center platform is 

2017-03-11 14:00:31.906	helping raise awareness and 

2017-03-11 14:00:31.907	allowing folks to step forward 

2017-03-11 14:00:33.905	and receive care. 

2017-03-11 14:00:34.906	I think you do find inherently 

2017-03-11 14:00:36.906	therapist and providers. 

2017-03-11 14:00:37.905	That is my soldier. 

2017-03-11 14:00:39.907	That is our soldier. 

2017-03-11 14:00:40.95	We will be very careful 

2017-03-11 14:00:43.948	referring them to the community. 

2017-03-11 14:00:45.991	We know the perils of potential 

2017-03-11 14:00:49.041	challenges that may be 

2017-03-11 14:00:51.041	encountered. 

2017-03-11 14:00:51.043	That is perhaps also due to a 

2017-03-11 14:00:55.089	lack of understanding as to 

2017-03-11 14:00:56.088	where are the boundaries, how do 

2017-03-11 14:00:58.088	things exist in the community. 

2017-03-11 14:00:59.088	We are just in the process of 

2017-03-11 14:01:01.088	engaging in that. 

2017-03-11 14:01:02.088	We have a therapist on the 

2017-03-11 14:01:03.091	ground. 

2017-03-11 14:01:04.09	After our PTSD groups, 

2017-03-11 14:01:07.091	individuals will go to yoga or 

2017-03-11 14:01:08.088	art therapy. 

2017-03-11 14:01:08.09	The benefits that are seen as a 

2017-03-11 14:01:12.116	psychodynamic between 

2017-03-11 14:01:12.117	psychologists is so rich and 

2017-03-11 14:01:14.156	beautiful and amazing. 

2017-03-11 14:01:15.156	Whether our service members -- 

2017-03-11 14:01:20.198	there are struggling  to 

2017-03-11 14:01:24.199	bring this to life. 

2017-03-11 14:01:24.2	One example is in some of the 

2017-03-11 14:01:26.199	art there was a weapon, suicide, 

2017-03-11 14:01:31.2	and a gun to a person's head. 

2017-03-11 14:01:31.201	His our presentation. 

2017-03-11 14:01:34.199	We did not get that information 

2017-03-11 14:01:36.199	until 48 hours later. 

2017-03-11 14:01:36.2	That is concerning. 

2017-03-11 14:01:38.198	That is a challenge. 

2017-03-11 14:01:39.199	We have to be talking and 

2017-03-11 14:01:41.2	understand. 

2017-03-11 14:01:42.242	The risks we may be talking 

2017-03-11 14:01:43.242	about different populations. 

2017-03-11 14:01:45.239	As well as folks out of the 

2017-03-11 14:01:49.24	community seeking art as 

2017-03-11 14:01:50.239	rehabilitative community 

2017-03-11 14:01:52.239	engagement aspect. 

2017-03-11 14:01:53.241	When I talk about our patients,

2017-03-11 14:01:59.241	I'm talking about folks actively 

2017-03-11 14:01:59.242	engaged in treatment. 

2017-03-11 14:01:59.243	There are significant risks with 

2017-03-11 14:02:03.243	a population that may be 

2017-03-11 14:02:03.244	different than some of the guys 

2017-03-11 14:02:05.242	you see in your studios. 

2017-03-11 14:02:05.243	>> and probably -- I think we 

2017-03-11 14:02:11.268	are all -- the clinicians are 

2017-03-11 14:02:13.289	conscience of the safety issue. 

2017-03-11 14:02:13.29	We are very conscious in the 

2017-03-11 14:02:16.29	broad population of people of 

2017-03-11 14:02:18.288	any level of distress is some 

2017-03-11 14:02:19.289	subset who have significant 

2017-03-11 14:02:21.339	levels of distress. 

2017-03-11 14:02:21.339	It is our obligation to be 

2017-03-11 14:02:24.34	attentive to the fragility of 

2017-03-11 14:02:27.339	that subpopulation. 

2017-03-11 14:02:27.34	At the same time and public 

2017-03-11 14:02:31.339	health it is often diagrammed as 

2017-03-11 14:02:31.34	a pyramid. 

2017-03-11 14:02:32.339	There is a base of a pyramid,

2017-03-11 14:02:36.339	people with mild risk factors, 

2017-03-11 14:02:37.339	struggling with something. 

2017-03-11 14:02:38.338	May not even know they have an 

2017-03-11 14:02:40.409	issue. 

2017-03-11 14:02:40.411	Then you have middle of the 

2017-03-11 14:02:42.408	pyramid, people who have it in a 

2017-03-11 14:02:44.409	mildly. 

2017-03-11 14:02:44.41	People at the top of the pyramid 

2017-03-11 14:02:48.409	that have severe issues. 

2017-03-11 14:02:48.41	This is true whether it is 

2017-03-11 14:02:52.41	diabetes or heart disease or 

2017-03-11 14:02:52.412	mental health issues. 

2017-03-11 14:02:52.413	We have to get much more careful 

2017-03-11 14:02:55.41	and precise when we start 

2017-03-11 14:02:58.409	thinking about programming, 

2017-03-11 14:02:59.41	particularly to the vulnerable 

2017-03-11 14:03:01.41	population. 

2017-03-11 14:03:01.411	Where we are on the pyramid. 

2017-03-11 14:03:03.41	You can make a mistake any good 

2017-03-11 14:03:05.409	direction. 

2017-03-11 14:03:06.409	Oh, creative art expression is 

2017-03-11 14:03:11.41	so precious and targeting people 

2017-03-11 14:03:13.41	with significant distress in 

2017-03-11 14:03:16.41	tightly controlled environments. 

2017-03-11 14:03:17.41	That runs the risks of not 

2017-03-11 14:03:20.41	exposing or allowing people to 

2017-03-11 14:03:21.411	benefit from the amazing ability 

2017-03-11 14:03:22.41	of the arts to create 

2017-03-11 14:03:24.41	conversation builds resilience,

2017-03-11 14:03:27.453	share sense of connection and 

2017-03-11 14:03:27.454	all those wonderful things. 

2017-03-11 14:03:28.452	We have to find our way. 

2017-03-11 14:03:30.452	It is very timely conversation. 

2017-03-11 14:03:33.454	If we don't get it right, people 

2017-03-11 14:03:37.496	move to one direction or the 

2017-03-11 14:03:37.498	other. 

2017-03-11 14:03:37.499	Lady quite polarized. 

2017-03-11 14:03:39.493	It slows things down. 

2017-03-11 14:03:40.492	>> to both of those points, you 

2017-03-11 14:03:44.493	said communication. 

2017-03-11 14:03:46.493	I think that to enter into that 

2017-03-11 14:03:51.495	space with a servicemember or 

2017-03-11 14:03:51.496	veteran is going to be important 

2017-03-11 14:03:52.493	to say art is a powerful thing. 

2017-03-11 14:03:55.493	This will innately and naturally 

2017-03-11 14:03:58.493	bring up things for you and be 

2017-03-11 14:04:00.493	aware of that. 

2017-03-11 14:04:00.494	Both the person facilitating the 

2017-03-11 14:04:05.503	art but also the veteran or 

2017-03-11 14:04:05.504	servicemember themselves, and to 

2017-03-11 14:04:07.539	have resources and safety net in 

2017-03-11 14:04:09.538	your community or local area set 

2017-03-11 14:04:10.541	up in case they do get an 

2017-03-11 14:04:14.54	appointment need to go back to 

2017-03-11 14:04:14.541	the clinic space. 

2017-03-11 14:04:14.542	A good example is an art there 

2017-03-11 14:04:18.539	this we work with. 

2017-03-11 14:04:19.538	She assists or is with her -- 

2017-03-11 14:04:23.539	many of the patients she is 

2017-03-11 14:04:25.589	treating in a nonclinical 

2017-03-11 14:04:25.591	setting and the community. 

2017-03-11 14:04:27.626	They do ceramics. 

2017-03-11 14:04:28.589	She explains to them this is not 

2017-03-11 14:04:31.589	therapy time. 

2017-03-11 14:04:31.591	Did something comes up during 

2017-03-11 14:04:33.589	this experience we can talk 

2017-03-11 14:04:36.588	about it back in the space. 

2017-03-11 14:04:38.588	Another thing I need to say is I 

2017-03-11 14:04:41.62	think you bring up a good point. 

2017-03-11 14:04:41.621	It was in the reentry 

2017-03-11 14:04:43.62	conversation earlier that a lot 

2017-03-11 14:04:48.621	of the service numbers feel like 

2017-03-11 14:04:48.622	if they do open up in the 

2017-03-11 14:04:48.623	clinical space they will lose 

2017-03-11 14:04:50.619	their jobs or rank or security 

2017-03-11 14:04:51.62	clearance. 

2017-03-11 14:04:52.619	They are a little more 

2017-03-11 14:04:55.621	accountable sometimes outside of 

2017-03-11 14:04:55.622	that realm of opening up. 

2017-03-11 14:04:57.621	We have to remind ourselves of 

2017-03-11 14:04:59.621	that. 

2017-03-11 14:04:59.622	But then I've worked with 

2017-03-11 14:05:02.631	another organization who made 

2017-03-11 14:05:03.621	sure -- I know this doesn't 

2017-03-11 14:05:07.628	always work because every 

2017-03-11 14:05:07.628	yesterday -- there was accretive 

2017-03-11 14:05:09.622	art therapist in the room during 

2017-03-11 14:05:10.621	the workshop. 

2017-03-11 14:05:10.622	They wove art and music and 

2017-03-11 14:05:13.621	writing through the theme of the 

2017-03-11 14:05:15.621	workshop. 

2017-03-11 14:05:15.622	The creative art therapist was 

2017-03-11 14:05:18.622	not there to interject or be a 

2017-03-11 14:05:20.62	part of the process. 

2017-03-11 14:05:21.621	That was a trainer situation 

2017-03-11 14:05:24.621	where the veterans are actually 

2017-03-11 14:05:24.622	helping lead and train other 

2017-03-11 14:05:26.62	veterans the future workshops. 

2017-03-11 14:05:28.622	It felt like there was a safety. 

2017-03-11 14:05:30.621	It was all inclusive and it felt 

2017-03-11 14:05:33.664	very safe. 

2017-03-11 14:05:33.665	>> can I switch topics for just 

2017-03-11 14:05:36.664	a second? 

2017-03-11 14:05:36.666	We can come back to it if there 

2017-03-11 14:05:38.665	is something unsaid all we can 

2017-03-11 14:05:41.664	get to it on the outer circle. 

2017-03-11 14:05:41.666	This comes right out of this. 

2017-03-11 14:05:43.663	Britney, I think it will poke at 

2017-03-11 14:05:46.664	you for a second if you don't 

2017-03-11 14:05:46.666	mind. 

2017-03-11 14:05:47.674	We have heard a lot as far, as I 

2017-03-11 14:05:50.663	am provocative, about reframing 

2017-03-11 14:05:52.666	the notion ve of the a victim or 

2017-03-11 14:05:56.665	a patient that needs helpt and 

2017-03-11 14:05:57.665	the arts can come and help. 

2017-03-11 14:05:58.664	And reframing that to help the 

2017-03-11 14:06:00.706	arts and the strength and the 

2017-03-11 14:06:03.705	training and the purpose-driven 

2017-03-11 14:06:06.705	life of a veteran, how to do 

2017-03-11 14:06:08.705	things come together to create 

2017-03-11 14:06:08.711	that. 

2017-03-11 14:06:09.705	In this conversation where we 

2017-03-11 14:06:12.705	focus so much about coming in to 

2017-03-11 14:06:14.707	help, can you talk about your 

2017-03-11 14:06:18.707	own experience of where you feel 

2017-03-11 14:06:20.708	art and your experience as a 

2017-03-11 14:06:22.748	veteran come together? 

2017-03-11 14:06:24.748	>> I can try. 

2017-03-11 14:06:26.747	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 14:06:27.748	I think a lot of what Melissa 

2017-03-11 14:06:31.748	was saying is important. 

2017-03-11 14:06:32.747	Everyone has their own 

2017-03-11 14:06:34.783	experience. 

2017-03-11 14:06:34.784	Some people value having another 

2017-03-11 14:06:39.749	veteran in the room kind of help 

2017-03-11 14:06:40.748	them collaborate, except, 

2017-03-11 14:06:46.748	experience things together. 

2017-03-11 14:06:46.749	Some of them don't want that at 

2017-03-11 14:06:48.749	all. 

2017-03-11 14:06:48.75	I have been among veterans who 

2017-03-11 14:06:50.748	cannot be in uniform anymore and 

2017-03-11 14:06:53.752	they cannot be evil in uniform. 

2017-03-11 14:06:54.748	-- people in uniform. 

2017-03-11 14:06:57.749	Treatment cannot happen unless 

2017-03-11 14:06:59.792	everyone in uniform leaves the 

2017-03-11 14:07:01.89	room. 

2017-03-11 14:07:01.891	I've had two go home and change 

2017-03-11 14:07:06.899	it to civilian clothes and then 

2017-03-11 14:07:10.89	go meet someone at a café off 

2017-03-11 14:07:11.889	face because they were not able 

2017-03-11 14:07:11.89	to communicate or speak to me in 

2017-03-11 14:07:13.889	any way if I was in uniform. 

2017-03-11 14:07:15.892	I had to pretend I was not in 

2017-03-11 14:07:17.89	the military. 

2017-03-11 14:07:17.891	I think there is different 

2017-03-11 14:07:21.917	situations and everyone has 

2017-03-11 14:07:23.919	their own experiences. 

2017-03-11 14:07:23.92	That is always -- that is 

2017-03-11 14:07:26.957	something that is good to 

2017-03-11 14:07:29.003	understand and value. 

2017-03-11 14:07:29.004	Anyone who was working with the 

2017-03-11 14:07:32	veteran or military community, 

2017-03-11 14:07:32.999	that is a good thing to be 

2017-03-11 14:07:36	trained in I guess. 

2017-03-11 14:07:36.999	On the flipside it is good to 

2017-03-11 14:07:41	have AP about of around with you 

2017-03-11 14:07:41.001	to translate or to have a 

2017-03-11 14:07:44.001	language so there is no barrier. 

2017-03-11 14:07:46	>> I want to get one other thing 

2017-03-11 14:07:50	we talked about and then we can 

2017-03-11 14:07:52.001	go wherever we have time to go. 

2017-03-11 14:07:53	I will point is that you. 

2017-03-11 14:07:54.999	We have also talked a lot about 

2017-03-11 14:07:57.04	the difference between 

2017-03-11 14:07:59.04	professional artists and the 

2017-03-11 14:08:00.039	veteran. 

2017-03-11 14:08:01.04	We have talked about the fact 

2017-03-11 14:08:03.042	that many are both. 

2017-03-11 14:08:04.04	We have talked about the 

2017-03-11 14:08:07.043	projects that involve practice

2017-03-11 14:08:12.047	where the veterans are the three 

2017-03-11 14:08:12.048	to partisan the project, and 

2017-03-11 14:08:13.044	where the project is created by 

2017-03-11 14:08:16.042	artists who represent the 

2017-03-11 14:08:18.089	experience of the veteran. 

2017-03-11 14:08:19.088	Is there a distinction in your 

2017-03-11 14:08:25.09	mind in terms of the value for 

2017-03-11 14:08:25.091	role of either of those places 

2017-03-11 14:08:26.091	to stand, whether it is 

2017-03-11 14:08:30.139	participation of the veterans 

2017-03-11 14:08:31.138	and create a process or

2017-03-11 14:08:34.139	yesterday we talked about in 

2017-03-11 14:08:34.14	terms of audience, for is the 

2017-03-11 14:08:36.139	receiver whose stories are being 

2017-03-11 14:08:37.139	represented? 

2017-03-11 14:08:38.139	Is there a value  difference 

2017-03-11 14:08:41.139	there or different wasted a 

2017-03-11 14:08:44.139	plate of? 

2017-03-11 14:08:44.14	What would you say is going on 

2017-03-11 14:08:46.141	in that? 

2017-03-11 14:08:46.142	>> I think both are very valid. 

2017-03-11 14:08:49.168	I think Liz Lerman referred to 

2017-03-11 14:08:52.211	the process to the product. 

2017-03-11 14:08:53.254	I was thinking about that in 

2017-03-11 14:08:55.251	terms of musicwith Arthur

2017-03-11 14:08:58.25	Bloom''s group organizations 

2017-03-11 14:09:00.25	maybe double or triple FETs, but 

2017-03-11 14:09:05.26	they are musicians first and 

2017-03-11 14:09:06.252	practice for 8-10 hours a day or 

2017-03-11 14:09:07.251	they will jam for hours, during 

2017-03-11 14:09:10.253	which time as a neuroscientist 

2017-03-11 14:09:13.252	or a physician D.C. their

2017-03-11 14:09:18.253	executive function is improving 

2017-03-11 14:09:19.253	and occupational therapy is not 

2017-03-11 14:09:19.255	necessary because they are 

2017-03-11 14:09:19.256	practicing fingering on their 

2017-03-11 14:09:21.253	guitar or Piano. 

2017-03-11 14:09:23.252	All the things are happening in 

2017-03-11 14:09:26.294	the process of something beyond 

2017-03-11 14:09:26.295	themselves. 

2017-03-11 14:09:27.292	I was thinking about that is 

2017-03-11 14:09:29.293	overall what are we doing as we 

2017-03-11 14:09:32.294	are looking for a purpose-driven 

2017-03-11 14:09:32.295	life. 

2017-03-11 14:09:33.294	I was talking to people 

2017-03-11 14:09:35.293	yesterday saying our life does 

2017-03-11 14:09:36.293	not stop after the war. 

2017-03-11 14:09:38.296	What is going to go on for the 

2017-03-11 14:09:41.298	next 10, 20, 30, 40 years of our 

2017-03-11 14:09:47.296	life and what is our direction 

2017-03-11 14:09:47.297	go with our new identity or 

2017-03-11 14:09:48.297	built-in identity? 

2017-03-11 14:09:49.296	That is true for all of us who 

2017-03-11 14:09:51.297	have a trauma of any sort. 

2017-03-11 14:09:52.294	But the arts is one of those 

2017-03-11 14:09:55.294	things for you can never win. 

2017-03-11 14:09:57.296	You can never get to the 

2017-03-11 14:10:00.295	absolute pinnacle of art because 

2017-03-11 14:10:02.297	art is always beyond you. 

2017-03-11 14:10:02.298	A gives you something to strive 

2017-03-11 14:10:04.294	for at all moments, even if you 

2017-03-11 14:10:07.296	play the same concerto it sounds 

2017-03-11 14:10:10.297	different next year when you 

2017-03-11 14:10:10.298	have a different life

2017-03-11 14:10:11.296	experience. 

2017-03-11 14:10:11.297	Or if you are in a play 100 

2017-03-11 14:10:14.299	times in the country, each 

2017-03-11 14:10:16.297	performance is different. 

2017-03-11 14:10:16.298	I think that's going back to the 

2017-03-11 14:10:18.297	point of we are all a single 

2017-03-11 14:10:21.339	population. 

2017-03-11 14:10:22.339	And just helping pre-integrated 

2017-03-11 14:10:26.34	so we are all moving in that 

2017-03-11 14:10:26.341	same population is what is 

2017-03-11 14:10:29.34	really key. 

2017-03-11 14:10:29.341	>> I have another question. 

2017-03-11 14:10:34.389	Captain, if you don't mind. 

2017-03-11 14:10:36.391	Is their equivalency in your 

2017-03-11 14:10:39.39	mind between the skills we have 

2017-03-11 14:10:41.39	heard, the different skills -- 

2017-03-11 14:10:45.39	we have used the term "warriors"

2017-03-11 14:10:48.421	. 

2017-03-11 14:10:48.422	In this conversation are you 

2017-03-11 14:10:51.504	feeling we are on the Liz Lerman 

2017-03-11 14:10:55.503	balance place in terms of the 

2017-03-11 14:10:55.505	skills of warriors bring to the 

2017-03-11 14:10:59.504	conversation and the skills the 

2017-03-11 14:10:59.505	artists bring to the 

2017-03-11 14:11:00.503	conversation? 

2017-03-11 14:11:01.505	Is that balance important as we 

2017-03-11 14:11:05.503	enter these projects and how are 

2017-03-11 14:11:05.504	we doing as a field in your 

2017-03-11 14:11:07.505	experience of us in that? 

2017-03-11 14:11:08.505	>> oh my gosh. 

2017-03-11 14:11:10.506	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 14:11:10.507	It is interesting to use the 

2017-03-11 14:11:16.506	word skills. 

2017-03-11 14:11:16.507	I will answer your question but 

2017-03-11 14:11:19.592	probably not actually answer it

2017-03-11 14:11:22.592	and answer what I think I heard 

2017-03-11 14:11:22.593	you say. 

2017-03-11 14:11:22.594	In my work I deal with skills 

2017-03-11 14:11:25.641	all the time. 

2017-03-11 14:11:26.641	That is what health and wellness 

2017-03-11 14:11:27.641	is about, providing people with 

2017-03-11 14:11:31.642	skills that they need to be 

2017-03-11 14:11:31.643	healthy and well. 

2017-03-11 14:11:31.644	The skill of self-awareness, 

2017-03-11 14:11:37.639	because it is a skill. 

2017-03-11 14:11:37.64	Sometimes it takes us to places 

2017-03-11 14:11:39.641	that are very uncomfortable, but 

2017-03-11 14:11:41.674	the more you do it sometimes the 

2017-03-11 14:11:43.674	easier it gets. 

2017-03-11 14:11:44.674	Those are the skills. 

2017-03-11 14:11:45.674	I totally agree it is the 

2017-03-11 14:11:47.715	process. 

2017-03-11 14:11:48.714	That is at the end of the day 

2017-03-11 14:11:51.716	exactly what it's about. 

2017-03-11 14:11:51.717	At Walter Reed we have artists 

2017-03-11 14:11:56.753	in health care worker the 

2017-03-11 14:11:56.754	inpatient unit. 

2017-03-11 14:11:56.755	They are not creative arts so 

2017-03-11 14:12:01.737	they don't intentionally evoke 

2017-03-11 14:12:03.715	dramatic memories. 

2017-03-11 14:12:03.716	But they are artists who 

2017-03-11 14:12:06.715	received specialized training. 

2017-03-11 14:12:07.714	They are literally just there to 

2017-03-11 14:12:11.786	acknowledge that moment and 

2017-03-11 14:12:12.758	capture it. 

2017-03-11 14:12:13.756	That is it. 

2017-03-11 14:12:14.757	A single data point. 

2017-03-11 14:12:15.757	You don't need to do anything 

2017-03-11 14:12:17.755	with it if you don't want to. 

2017-03-11 14:12:18.755	There is no product. 

2017-03-11 14:12:19.755	Maybe there is, maybe there 

2017-03-11 14:12:21.755	isn't. 

2017-03-11 14:12:22.755	Those of the skills I think 

2017-03-11 14:12:24.756	everybody needs. 

2017-03-11 14:12:24.757	For instance, when we were 

2017-03-11 14:12:27.756	singing because Melissa and 

2017-03-11 14:12:29.755	Rebecca and I think from time to 

2017-03-11 14:12:29.782	time, I'm in out so. 

2017-03-11 14:12:32.875	That s -- I'man alto. 

2017-03-11 14:12:39.757	You can't be an alto by 

2017-03-11 14:12:43.756	yourself. 

2017-03-11 14:12:43.757	You can be a soprano by yourself 

2017-03-11 14:12:46.842	and you can't be an alto. 

2017-03-11 14:12:48.841	Is important for us 

2017-03-11 14:12:50.842	understanding who we are. 

2017-03-11 14:12:51.843	I think that also space to the 

2017-03-11 14:12:53.843	community. 

2017-03-11 14:12:53.869	I don't know that answer your 

2017-03-11 14:12:56.842	question. 

2017-03-11 14:12:56.843	>> my question was probably more 

2017-03-11 14:12:59.842	concerned about whether or not 

2017-03-11 14:13:01.841	in this particular conversation 

2017-03-11 14:13:02.842	we have equivalency in terms of 

2017-03-11 14:13:06.842	which are more important. 

2017-03-11 14:13:06.843	I am getting at this dynamic of 

2017-03-11 14:13:10.842	we coming in to help. 

2017-03-11 14:13:11.841	We come in to help in our skills 

2017-03-11 14:13:14.94	are brought into the equation. 

2017-03-11 14:13:15.938	And hearing at this table the 

2017-03-11 14:13:17.939	work is already going on. 

2017-03-11 14:13:19.942	>> I think this touches on what 

2017-03-11 14:13:24.943	I was wanting to say earlier, 

2017-03-11 14:13:25.942	which is some of the people I 

2017-03-11 14:13:28.97	have seen who have been in this 

2017-03-11 14:13:30.968	space for a while from the art 

2017-03-11 14:13:30.969	side, places like in part. 

2017-03-11 14:13:33.968	If you seen the video, they do 

2017-03-11 14:13:36.968	blacksmithing and pottery with 

2017-03-11 14:13:42.01	people who got to the creative 

2017-03-11 14:13:42.011	forces project. 

2017-03-11 14:13:43.008	There was glassblowing. 

2017-03-11 14:13:45.078	I saw this in the second piece 

2017-03-11 14:13:48.008	of kj's yesterday and I want to 

2017-03-11 14:13:53.009	talk to her about that. 

2017-03-11 14:13:53.01	This happened in the writing 

2017-03-11 14:13:57.009	program was initially we were 

2017-03-11 14:13:57.01	eager to get into the drama. 

2017-03-11 14:13:59.008	There was some good background. 

2017-03-11 14:14:03.01	James Pennebaker, a psychologist

2017-03-11 14:14:08.011	who is in excessive writing 

2017-03-11 14:14:08.012	focused on drama. 

2017-03-11 14:14:08.013	As he got into a conversation we 

2017-03-11 14:14:11.051	started to think maybe our role

2017-03-11 14:14:14.05	is making sense. 

2017-03-11 14:14:14.051	We can, and this is the content 

2017-03-11 14:14:18.051	shaping thing, let's steer 

2017-03-11 14:14:21.053	ourselves to be where we can 

2017-03-11 14:14:21.054	feel comfortable if there is 

2017-03-11 14:14:25.052	going to be something deep and 

2017-03-11 14:14:25.053	heavy, survivor guilt or some 

2017-03-11 14:14:28.051	other existential issue, in this 

2017-03-11 14:14:29.052	setting. 

2017-03-11 14:14:30.05	I would rather the greater pa

2017-03-11 14:14:36.052	-- creative arts therapist be 

2017-03-11 14:14:36.053	the one to manage that. 

2017-03-11 14:14:36.054	In kj's peace, really 

2017-03-11 14:14:43.14	experiencing it again. 

2017-03-11 14:14:43.141	It was very moving. 

2017-03-11 14:14:45.14	I did notice it was a lot of 

2017-03-11 14:14:47.14	anger, a lot of PTSD kinds of 

2017-03-11 14:14:51.143	issues. 

2017-03-11 14:14:51.144	And in the subsequent piece she 

2017-03-11 14:14:57.191	was thinking about creating to 

2017-03-11 14:14:57.192	have a conversation with Navy 

2017-03-11 14:14:59.19	medical people was a much 

2017-03-11 14:15:01.191	different kind of set of tone 

2017-03-11 14:15:03.19	and themes. 

2017-03-11 14:15:04.19	Thane navy chap. 

2017-03-11 14:15:08.191	Now what is he going to say? 

2017-03-11 14:15:11.19	I looked outside the circle. 

2017-03-11 14:15:13.221	About stigma. 

2017-03-11 14:15:17.221	For me, what I have gained an 

2017-03-11 14:15:22.222	appreciation of is that if you 

2017-03-11 14:15:26.221	think about it in terms of 

2017-03-11 14:15:26.222	Eugene O'Neill's sense of his 

2017-03-11 14:15:32.221	life purpose as pulling back the 

2017-03-11 14:15:32.222	veil on the mysteries of the 

2017-03-11 14:15:33.222	human condition. 

2017-03-11 14:15:33.223	I think if we really understand 

2017-03-11 14:15:37.262	the wartime experience has given 

2017-03-11 14:15:39.304	people who have gone through 

2017-03-11 14:15:39.305	that an unfair advantage in 

2017-03-11 14:15:41.304	pursuing that work, we are not 

2017-03-11 14:15:44.303	looking at it as a notice. 

2017-03-11 14:15:44.304	We are looking at as meaning 

2017-03-11 14:15:47.305	making an insight. 

2017-03-11 14:15:47.307	When we come into these spaces 

2017-03-11 14:15:50.303	safely, if we could just be 

2017-03-11 14:15:52.303	thinking a safe way to come and 

2017-03-11 14:15:56.305	is to steer insight towards the 

2017-03-11 14:15:56.306	kinds of proactive things they 

2017-03-11 14:15:58.304	are groping for rather than 

2017-03-11 14:16:01.306	germination on the things we 

2017-03-11 14:16:01.307	might find fascinating but might 

2017-03-11 14:16:04.347	not be the healthiest thing for 

2017-03-11 14:16:04.348	all of us. 

2017-03-11 14:16:04.349	>> we will go to the circle but 

2017-03-11 14:16:07.346	Sarah you have the first 

2017-03-11 14:16:07.347	question. 

2017-03-11 14:16:07.348	Who has got the mics. 

2017-03-11 14:16:12.347	Sarah, major comment but we are 

2017-03-11 14:16:15.347	running out of -- Sarah, make 

2017-03-11 14:16:17.348	your comment. 

2017-03-11 14:16:18.346	We are running out of time. 

2017-03-11 14:16:20.347	[APPLAUSE] 

2017-03-11 14:16:20.348	>> the only thing I was going to 

2017-03-11 14:16:24.363	piggyback on to what Bill was 

2017-03-11 14:16:26.346	saying, why I think it's so 

2017-03-11 14:16:28.347	important this dialogue we are 

2017-03-11 14:16:32.39	having together as a community 

2017-03-11 14:16:33.393	is so incredibly important is 

2017-03-11 14:16:34.41	because we're talking as health 

2017-03-11 14:16:34.411	care providers about what's 

2017-03-11 14:16:35.393	happening. 

2017-03-11 14:16:36.392	Less than 50% of people 

2017-03-11 14:16:39.468	suffering from PTSD and dramatic 

2017-03-11 14:16:41.441	rain injury actually going to 

2017-03-11 14:16:41.442	the health care setting. 

2017-03-11 14:16:41.443	They go into communities. 

2017-03-11 14:16:43.441	That is why this is such an 

2017-03-11 14:16:46.441	important dialogue because 

2017-03-11 14:16:48.44	healing happens out in the 

2017-03-11 14:16:49.44	communities. 

2017-03-11 14:16:50.458	The more we can learn together 

2017-03-11 14:16:53.442	and learn from each other how to 

2017-03-11 14:16:55.444	address this is so important. 

2017-03-11 14:16:57.474	I want to really pointed out 

2017-03-11 14:17:00.513	because we are only talking 

2017-03-11 14:17:01.514	about those who come see us. 

2017-03-11 14:17:01.515	There is a lot more. 

2017-03-11 14:17:03.515	>> you have the microphone. 

2017-03-11 14:17:05.513	>> thank you for that. 

2017-03-11 14:17:06.513	That's a good introduction to 

2017-03-11 14:17:08.514	what I was going to say just

2017-03-11 14:17:09.513	now. 

2017-03-11 14:17:09.513	You asked a question about 

2017-03-11 14:17:12.516	killing within the community, to 

2017-03-11 14:17:14.514	the veterans and helping. 

2017-03-11 14:17:15.535	So this is the thing, for me 

2017-03-11 14:17:20.514	personally as a veteran, when I 

2017-03-11 14:17:23.515	went to carpetbag they were not 

2017-03-11 14:17:25.515	helping me with heart. 

2017-03-11 14:17:25.516	They created a space where I 

2017-03-11 14:17:29.599	could be heard and they were 

2017-03-11 14:17:31.642	listening. 

2017-03-11 14:17:31.643	That's what it was. 

2017-03-11 14:17:34.691	For me it was not art. 

2017-03-11 14:17:36.704	I was sitting in a circle with 

2017-03-11 14:17:38.692	people who appeared to care and 

2017-03-11 14:17:42.692	had a mutual understanding 

2017-03-11 14:17:42.693	because the question in the 

2017-03-11 14:17:45.692	center of the circle was related 

2017-03-11 14:17:46.693	to being a veteran or knowing or 

2017-03-11 14:17:48.725	associating with someone that 

2017-03-11 14:17:50.725	was a veteran. 

2017-03-11 14:17:51.724	Every story told was that. 

2017-03-11 14:17:53.725	When he came to me I was able to 

2017-03-11 14:17:57.749	share my story so it was not an 

2017-03-11 14:17:59.727	art, it was listening. 

2017-03-11 14:18:01.808	The community and someone was 

2017-03-11 14:18:04.851	listening and waiting to hear

2017-03-11 14:18:05.852	me. 

2017-03-11 14:18:05.853	>> hands up if you have -- I 

2017-03-11 14:18:10.848	want to encourage people. 

2017-03-11 14:18:11.85	This is the part of the process 

2017-03-11 14:18:13.851	were some of you sitting in

2017-03-11 14:18:16.851	listening for a long time at 

2017-03-11 14:18:16.852	this point. 

2017-03-11 14:18:16.853	More than a day. 

2017-03-11 14:18:18.85	You are sitting on things that 

2017-03-11 14:18:21.853	need to get into the room. 

2017-03-11 14:18:22.848	I really want to encourage those 

2017-03-11 14:18:24.851	of you who have not yet shared 

2017-03-11 14:18:25.891	the things you are afraid to 

2017-03-11 14:18:27.891	share or unformed. 

2017-03-11 14:18:29.941	Sometimes they call this step up 

2017-03-11 14:18:33.942	your participation and step up 

2017-03-11 14:18:34.941	your listening. 

2017-03-11 14:18:35.941	If you're someone that tends to 

2017-03-11 14:18:37.941	participate, step of your 

2017-03-11 14:18:38.941	listening. 

2017-03-11 14:18:38.942	If you tend not to participate,

2017-03-11 14:18:43.991	we need to hear that from UB's 

2017-03-11 14:18:43.992	are holding things that need to 

2017-03-11 14:18:44.991	get into the room. 

2017-03-11 14:18:44.992	>> as someone who is 

2017-03-11 14:18:46.991	participated -- you may the 

2017-03-11 14:18:48.99	announcement after. 

2017-03-11 14:18:49.99	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 14:18:51.991	>> this is not about shaming. 

2017-03-11 14:18:54.991	Is about encouraging. 

2017-03-11 14:18:57.017	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 14:18:57.018	>> I thought you were looking at 

2017-03-11 14:19:00.018	me when you said that. 

2017-03-11 14:19:00.019	One thing you said, Melissa,

2017-03-11 14:19:07.018	thinking about the safety net 

2017-03-11 14:19:07.019	around us. 

2017-03-11 14:19:07.02	I think there is an implicit 

2017-03-11 14:19:12.017	assumption there is a safety 

2017-03-11 14:19:12.018	net. 

2017-03-11 14:19:13.017	I know a lot of us have 

2017-03-11 14:19:18.018	communities we work with that 

2017-03-11 14:19:21.02	the treat of art therapist might 

2017-03-11 14:19:21.021	not be there. 

2017-03-11 14:19:22.017	Doesn't have to be. 

2017-03-11 14:19:23.018	I guess my question is how is 

2017-03-11 14:19:26.018	community service providers,

2017-03-11 14:19:29.058	what are the resources we should 

2017-03-11 14:19:29.06	be looking into as potential 

2017-03-11 14:19:31.058	safety nets if there is not a 

2017-03-11 14:19:34.059	creative forces their best in 

2017-03-11 14:19:36.058	the area? 

2017-03-11 14:19:36.059	Where do we go when we cross 

2017-03-11 14:19:39.061	that line and someone needs more 

2017-03-11 14:19:41.058	support? 

2017-03-11 14:19:41.059	Where do we need them? 

2017-03-11 14:19:43.06	-- lead them? 

2017-03-11 14:19:45.061	>> I don't know if I can because 

2017-03-11 14:19:48.061	I will be endorsing, but I will 

2017-03-11 14:19:50.059	list for some big in her ear. 

2017-03-11 14:19:51.061	I'm just kidding. 

2017-03-11 14:19:53.06	Sort of. 

2017-03-11 14:19:54.061	>> I think some of it -- 

2017-03-11 14:19:56.103	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 14:19:57.143	>> how is it the most 

2017-03-11 14:20:02.144	performance is happening? 

2017-03-11 14:20:04.144	>> I think some of it has to do 

2017-03-11 14:20:08.145	with the training ahead of time. 

2017-03-11 14:20:08.146	It is about intention and being 

2017-03-11 14:20:12.146	prepared for those sorts of 

2017-03-11 14:20:12.147	things. 

2017-03-11 14:20:12.148	And not waiting until you need 

2017-03-11 14:20:15.144	it to know where it is. 

2017-03-11 14:20:16.144	I think when you're going into a 

2017-03-11 14:20:18.145	situation, a lot of ties to 

2017-03-11 14:20:21.191	collect in medicine informed 

2017-03-11 14:20:23.191	consent. 

2017-03-11 14:20:23.192	Making sure the get people to 

2017-03-11 14:20:27.242	clear understanding of what they 

2017-03-11 14:20:28.242	are about to engage in so they 

2017-03-11 14:20:29.242	can choose whether or not to do 

2017-03-11 14:20:29.243	it or not and be prepared. 

2017-03-11 14:20:30.242	Having those resources, I think 

2017-03-11 14:20:34.242	across multiple communities

2017-03-11 14:20:37.242	there are lots of different 

2017-03-11 14:20:37.243	places that are federal that 

2017-03-11 14:20:38.242	will support that. 

2017-03-11 14:20:38.243	The Department of Defense or 

2017-03-11 14:20:41.243	veterans health centers and vet

2017-03-11 14:20:44.27	clinics and all the things that 

2017-03-11 14:20:44.271	exists. 

2017-03-11 14:20:45.27	There are a lot of nonprofit 

2017-03-11 14:20:48.27	organizations for health care. 

2017-03-11 14:20:49.27	Giving hours is a great 

2017-03-11 14:20:53.312	organization. 

2017-03-11 14:20:54.31	Another -- there are a number of 

2017-03-11 14:20:57.311	them. 

2017-03-11 14:20:57.312	If you are in a community and 

2017-03-11 14:21:00.313	starting to do this work, you 

2017-03-11 14:21:02.313	should know where your safety 

2017-03-11 14:21:04.312	net is before you engage so you 

2017-03-11 14:21:07.313	know where to go to. 

2017-03-11 14:21:07.314	>> know your safety net is refer 

2017-03-11 14:21:10.313	you engage. 

2017-03-11 14:21:10.313	>> I totally agree with that. 

2017-03-11 14:21:12.315	If you just let them know you 

2017-03-11 14:21:14.311	are there, is the a, -- the vVA, 

2017-03-11 14:21:25.441	people like to be coming to you. 

2017-03-11 14:21:26.444	If you create a dialogue with 

2017-03-11 14:21:28.442	them let them know where to 

2017-03-11 14:21:30.445	regular something comes up? 

2017-03-11 14:21:30.446	Start that relationship with 

2017-03-11 14:21:32.445	them. 

2017-03-11 14:21:32.446	start that relationship with 

2017-03-11 14:21:35.444	them. 

2017-03-11 14:21:35.445	>>? -- Jeremy? 

2017-03-11 14:21:38.492	>> what we can provide his 

2017-03-11 14:21:40.492	guidance to groups like yours. 

2017-03-11 14:21:42.493	Certainly agree with everything 

2017-03-11 14:21:46.493	that has been said. 

2017-03-11 14:21:46.494	There is growing awareness that 

2017-03-11 14:21:48.492	some of the core skills you need 

2017-03-11 14:21:51.519	in the community -- and talking 

2017-03-11 14:21:52.523	about the base of the pyramid. 

2017-03-11 14:21:54.521	People are mostly OK go's the 

2017-03-11 14:21:57.523	time but giga triggered by 

2017-03-11 14:21:57.524	something even though they are 

2017-03-11 14:22:00.521	not severely distressed. 

2017-03-11 14:22:00.522	UCLA arts and health program has 

2017-03-11 14:22:05.522	been looking at this for a 

2017-03-11 14:22:05.523	while. 

2017-03-11 14:22:05.524	They developed a training 

2017-03-11 14:22:06.523	program, a 20 or 30 hour 

2017-03-11 14:22:10.523	training program. 

2017-03-11 14:22:10.524	Closely for artists who want to 

2017-03-11 14:22:12.524	work in various group activities 

2017-03-11 14:22:16.523	to adjust train them in 

2017-03-11 14:22:18.523	facilitation skills recognizing 

2017-03-11 14:22:21.562	something that may be a problem 

2017-03-11 14:22:22.564	and are for out. 

2017-03-11 14:22:22.565	-- and refer out. 

2017-03-11 14:22:25.562	Someone is sick and need a 

2017-03-11 14:22:30.563	therapist or maybe we ignore 

2017-03-11 14:22:32.563	them or provide fairly 

2017-03-11 14:22:34.563	non-provocative conversations. 

2017-03-11 14:22:36.563	The risk you run with a 

2017-03-11 14:22:40.565	non-provocative conversation is 

2017-03-11 14:22:40.566	able this it. 

2017-03-11 14:22:40.567	It will miss the opportunity to 

2017-03-11 14:22:43.585	connect and share. 

2017-03-11 14:22:43.586	I think we will see other ways 

2017-03-11 14:22:47.605	to put safety entities scenarios 

2017-03-11 14:22:50.606	-- into these scenarios. 

2017-03-11 14:22:51.608	Some of these that all of these 

2017-03-11 14:22:54.607	are ticket programs. 

2017-03-11 14:22:54.608	There is enormous amount of 

2017-03-11 14:22:58.607	positive energy from the art 

2017-03-11 14:22:58.608	world. 

2017-03-11 14:22:58.609	It is not just for veterans. 

2017-03-11 14:23:00.606	It is older adults, caregivers, 

2017-03-11 14:23:02.606	minorities. 

2017-03-11 14:23:03.605	There is a lot of trauma out 

2017-03-11 14:23:04.607	there. 

2017-03-11 14:23:05.605	If you require you have to be a 

2017-03-11 14:23:07.606	licensed therapist, we will be 

2017-03-11 14:23:08.606	behind. 

2017-03-11 14:23:09.606	>> a quick question. 

2017-03-11 14:23:11.606	Your research around lowliness 

2017-03-11 14:23:16.693	-- what I was hearing and 

2017-03-11 14:23:16.693	connecting was that community is 

2017-03-11 14:23:18.692	actually a kind of treatment for 

2017-03-11 14:23:20.692	loneliness. 

2017-03-11 14:23:21.741	The elements of this work that 

2017-03-11 14:23:24.761	create community are actually at 

2017-03-11 14:23:27.742	the core. 

2017-03-11 14:23:28.742	>> yes. 

2017-03-11 14:23:29.742	If the illness metaphorically is 

2017-03-11 14:23:33.741	loneliness, what is the 

2017-03-11 14:23:34.742	antidote? 

2017-03-11 14:23:34.743	It is connection. 

2017-03-11 14:23:36.742	Connection at an authentic level

2017-03-11 14:23:41.774	and a very much ties to what we 

2017-03-11 14:23:41.779	have been talking about. 

2017-03-11 14:23:42.775	>> Michelle was hoping for the 

2017-03-11 14:23:44.815	Mic. 

2017-03-11 14:23:45.814	I have one behind me. 

2017-03-11 14:23:47.857	Nolan. 

2017-03-11 14:23:51.878	>> I think I heard Sam, your 

2017-03-11 14:23:54.858	question about how to partner 

2017-03-11 14:23:56.859	out a little bit. 

2017-03-11 14:23:57.857	I think you have to use the 

2017-03-11 14:23:59.857	creativity that you have as 

2017-03-11 14:24:01.859	individuals and not only start 

2017-03-11 14:24:04.858	from a local setting. 

2017-03-11 14:24:07.857	For example, your colleges. 

2017-03-11 14:24:09.858	Get a seat on the presidential 

2017-03-11 14:24:12.902	board of the Department of 

2017-03-11 14:24:14.901	higher education in your 

2017-03-11 14:24:16.899	talents, in your state. 

2017-03-11 14:24:18.9	Then move out to the American 

2017-03-11 14:24:21.902	legions, the vet centers, and 

2017-03-11 14:24:24.899	then also establish a task force 

2017-03-11 14:24:25.903	committee and bring in, invite 

2017-03-11 14:24:29.903	the community into your 

2017-03-11 14:24:31.9	organization. 

2017-03-11 14:24:31.901	It really works. 

2017-03-11 14:24:33.903	>> thank you. 

2017-03-11 14:24:34.901	>> test one. 

2017-03-11 14:24:38.901	That's a great comment. 

2017-03-11 14:24:41.903	I would like to tie into that in 

2017-03-11 14:24:43.992	the previous comment. 

2017-03-11 14:24:44.992	That question precedes this idea 

2017-03-11 14:24:47.992	of resource. 

2017-03-11 14:24:49.024	There is a need for resource. 

2017-03-11 14:24:51.025	And so the point I have observed 

2017-03-11 14:24:55.025	is they are resource on both 

2017-03-11 14:24:55.026	sides. 

2017-03-11 14:24:56.024	The art community, but there is 

2017-03-11 14:25:00.025	also a resource on the military 

2017-03-11 14:25:00.026	side. 

2017-03-11 14:25:00.027	This is what I think connection 

2017-03-11 14:25:03.025	is so critical. 

2017-03-11 14:25:03.026	I often share with idea of what 

2017-03-11 14:25:09.111	you are trying to do in bridging 

2017-03-11 14:25:09.112	into the communities -- I did a 

2017-03-11 14:25:12.149	short piece for Jane -- created 

2017-03-11 14:25:16.153	organic ecosystem that becomes

2017-03-11 14:25:19.154	self-fulfilling and 

2017-03-11 14:25:19.155	self-sustaining. 

2017-03-11 14:25:20.152	But this is writing from a 

2017-03-11 14:25:23.153	structural perspective, and I'm 

2017-03-11 14:25:26.15	just going to label it local 

2017-03-11 14:25:27.151	arts agency because it could be 

2017-03-11 14:25:28.15	really anyone, someone has to 

2017-03-11 14:25:32.151	come from a community 

2017-03-11 14:25:32.152	perspective and say who is going 

2017-03-11 14:25:32.153	to take the initiative to start 

2017-03-11 14:25:36.151	drawing this organic ecosystem 

2017-03-11 14:25:36.152	together? 

2017-03-11 14:25:37.151	So if I'm out there with an 

2017-03-11 14:25:40.153	artist doing something I have a 

2017-03-11 14:25:41.151	resource to say yes to your 

2017-03-11 14:25:43.151	question about endorsement. 

2017-03-11 14:25:44.153	It does not become an 

2017-03-11 14:25:46.167	endorsement issue, if he 

2017-03-11 14:25:48.151	awareness of where those 

2017-03-11 14:25:48.152	resources are if I find myself 

2017-03-11 14:25:51.153	in a gap. 

2017-03-11 14:25:51.154	Once you do that it enables the 

2017-03-11 14:25:57.151	military to keep into that and 

2017-03-11 14:25:58.151	stash p -- peep into that and 

2017-03-11 14:26:03.16	see how can be fulfilled on the 

2017-03-11 14:26:06.152	other end of the spectrum. 

2017-03-11 14:26:06.153	Creating an organic ecosystem 

2017-03-11 14:26:10.152	where become self the filling 

2017-03-11 14:26:10.153	and self-sustaining, and 

2017-03-11 14:26:12.195	structurally they can be 

2017-03-11 14:26:12.196	implanted. 

2017-03-11 14:26:12.197	That is more of a long-term 

2017-03-11 14:26:15.195	community engagement connection. 

2017-03-11 14:26:16.193	>> and tomorrow will begin his 

2017-03-11 14:26:19.195	movies break of groups -- when 

2017-03-11 14:26:23.196	we get into these breakout 

2017-03-11 14:26:23.197	groups, you can details of the 

2017-03-11 14:26:26.195	networks you know or programs 

2017-03-11 14:26:26.197	you know that will be helpful at 

2017-03-11 14:26:30.194	tomorrow's breakouts. 

2017-03-11 14:26:31.196	Doctor wong? 

2017-03-11 14:26:35.195	>> in Boston we have the Boston 

2017-03-11 14:26:38.243	arts Consortium for health. 

2017-03-11 14:26:39.243	It is a grassroots group of 

2017-03-11 14:26:42.265	about seven years of age now. 

2017-03-11 14:26:45.242	We have people from Berklee 

2017-03-11 14:26:47.243	school of music,  new 

2017-03-11 14:26:51.293	ailing conservatory -- New 

2017-03-11 14:26:54.291	England Conservatory. 

2017-03-11 14:26:54.292	The Nero scientists know things 

2017-03-11 14:26:57.298	clinicians need to know. 

2017-03-11 14:26:58.292	Now the city is looking into his 

2017-03-11 14:27:00.293	apartment -- into these 

2017-03-11 14:27:04.364	departments. 

2017-03-11 14:27:04.365	In addition there is a program 

2017-03-11 14:27:07.407	at the VA call to my life, my 

2017-03-11 14:27:12.448	story for the getting the 

2017-03-11 14:27:13.449	stories of veterans and slipping 

2017-03-11 14:27:14.447	it into the charts of the 

2017-03-11 14:27:14.448	patients. 

2017-03-11 14:27:14.449	It is a nonclinical story but it 

2017-03-11 14:27:17.446	gives a lot more insight and 

2017-03-11 14:27:20.446	empathy into that. 

2017-03-11 14:27:21.447	I think the whole thing about 

2017-03-11 14:27:23.446	getting stories across wide 

2017-03-11 14:27:25.446	network is something that is 

2017-03-11 14:27:29.446	replicable and other 

2017-03-11 14:27:31.447	communities. 

2017-03-11 14:27:31.448	>> Rebekah had a -- 

2017-03-11 14:27:34.491	>> I just wanted to point out 

2017-03-11 14:27:37.541	that the Boston arts Consortium 

2017-03-11 14:27:39.542	for health is the acronym of

2017-03-11 14:27:42.541	bach. 

2017-03-11 14:27:42.542	You were talking about acronyms 

2017-03-11 14:27:45.572	today. 

2017-03-11 14:27:46.571	Music nerd. 

2017-03-11 14:27:47.572	Sorry. 

2017-03-11 14:27:48.572	I want to go back to the 

2017-03-11 14:27:50.572	continuum, a comment you are 

2017-03-11 14:27:53.572	saying before the table and Dr. 

2017-03-11 14:27:55.573	angle about whether or not it is 

2017-03-11 14:27:58.572	art that is informing 

2017-03-11 14:28:01.619	psychological health and 

2017-03-11 14:28:01.62	behavioral health rounds, or 

2017-03-11 14:28:03.655	whether is the musicians 

2017-03-11 14:28:05.698	practicing organ music therapy 

2017-03-11 14:28:07.743	and the are motivated. 

2017-03-11 14:28:08.742	The arts are very powerful and 

2017-03-11 14:28:11.744	very motivating. 

2017-03-11 14:28:11.745	And just really understanding 

2017-03-11 14:28:15.745	how we inform ourselves in the 

2017-03-11 14:28:15.746	medical community, but how an 

2017-03-11 14:28:17.742	art exhibit, a display, those 

2017-03-11 14:28:20.793	strategic selected mass put into 

2017-03-11 14:28:26.793	-- masks put into National 

2017-03-11 14:28:29.794	Geographic. 

2017-03-11 14:28:29.795	You really get to know that 

2017-03-11 14:28:31.798	person. 

2017-03-11 14:28:31.799	I think just tying into our 

2017-03-11 14:28:34.821	artistry is visual artists, as 

2017-03-11 14:28:35.824	theater, dancers, musicians, 

2017-03-11 14:28:39.823	poets, writers, the power of 

2017-03-11 14:28:41.823	performance and how we can use 

2017-03-11 14:28:44.824	performance to really inform 

2017-03-11 14:28:45.835	that gap we were talking about 

2017-03-11 14:28:47.824	in the previous panel on the 

2017-03-11 14:28:49.824	military-civilian gap. 

2017-03-11 14:28:50.842	We can inform each other. 

2017-03-11 14:28:52.823	We can inform veterans as 

2017-03-11 14:28:55.825	participants or audience members 

2017-03-11 14:28:57.825	and we can just inform 

2017-03-11 14:28:57.826	communities at large. 

2017-03-11 14:28:58.865	>> Judy? 

2017-03-11 14:28:59.866	>> I just want to say I'm Judy 

2017-03-11 14:29:06.907	Smith from access dance company 

2017-03-11 14:29:08.906	in Oakland. 

2017-03-11 14:29:09.907	I think there is a really big 

2017-03-11 14:29:11.95	resource being missed here. 

2017-03-11 14:29:13.95	It is the disability community. 

2017-03-11 14:29:15.95	Especially for veterans with 

2017-03-11 14:29:17.95	disabilities. 

2017-03-11 14:29:18.949	In my experience is that the 

2017-03-11 14:29:20.951	veterans are not taking 

2017-03-11 14:29:22.949	advantage of the information and 

2017-03-11 14:29:25.95	the wealth of knowledge 

2017-03-11 14:29:27.951	available through independent 

2017-03-11 14:29:28.949	living resources and other 

2017-03-11 14:29:31.95	disability organizations. 

2017-03-11 14:29:31.951	A lot of us have been living 

2017-03-11 14:29:34.95	with this shit for 30, 40 years. 

2017-03-11 14:29:37.951	We know a lot about how to 

2017-03-11 14:29:40.951	navigate disability and how to 

2017-03-11 14:29:41.951	navigate accessibility. 

2017-03-11 14:29:43.95	So I would encourage people to 

2017-03-11 14:29:49.952	start looking towards the 

2017-03-11 14:29:49.953	disability community because we 

2017-03-11 14:29:54.95	were in Siberia in 1995 and 

2017-03-11 14:29:57.951	having issues getting my 

2017-03-11 14:29:58.95	wheelchair batteries charged. 

2017-03-11 14:29:59.951	Decided we would put them in a 

2017-03-11 14:30:01.994	fiat and drive them around for 

2017-03-11 14:30:06.045	the day and swap them out at 

2017-03-11 14:30:06.047	night. 

2017-03-11 14:30:06.048	Bonnie, one of our original 

2017-03-11 14:30:16.104	founding members, actually said 

2017-03-11 14:30:18.106	disability is the mother of 

2017-03-11 14:30:18.107	invention. 

2017-03-11 14:30:18.108	>> Very nice. 

2017-03-11 14:30:19.106	Who is back here?  

2017-03-11 14:30:25.15	Sorry, cannot see you. 

2017-03-11 14:30:27.15	>> Thank you, Judy. 

2017-03-11 14:30:27.152	I'm Madeleine from the Flint 

2017-03-11 14:30:32.151	Center. 

2017-03-11 14:30:32.152	I wanted to thank this group. 

2017-03-11 14:30:33.152	It has really been the session 

2017-03-11 14:30:37.151	that has blown it up out of the 

2017-03-11 14:30:37.153	edges for me. 

2017-03-11 14:30:40.151	I've been thinking a lot and 

2017-03-11 14:30:42.152	having a hard time commenting 

2017-03-11 14:30:42.153	because I don't deal like an 

2017-03-11 14:30:45.151	expert in the military or 

2017-03-11 14:30:47.152	veteran community. 

2017-03-11 14:30:51.151	My father is a veteran, but I 

2017-03-11 14:30:52.151	drag him to modern dance, so 

2017-03-11 14:30:56.201	I've already got that. 

2017-03-11 14:30:57.232	This was really the session that 

2017-03-11 14:30:57.232	made me feel like it works for 

2017-03-11 14:31:02.316	every community, not just 

2017-03-11 14:31:03.314	military and veterans. 

2017-03-11 14:31:03.315	And what Judy said, one thing we 

2017-03-11 14:31:06.404	are working on at the Flynn is 

2017-03-11 14:31:09.46	accessibility with different 

2017-03-11 14:31:12.451	communities and different 

2017-03-11 14:31:13.452	populations in the disability 

2017-03-11 14:31:13.453	community. 

2017-03-11 14:31:16.451	One thing we have been working 

2017-03-11 14:31:17.449	on is audiences, kids and adults 

2017-03-11 14:31:18.451	on the spectrum. 

2017-03-11 14:31:21.452	One thing we have noticed is 

2017-03-11 14:31:25.452	that all the adaptations and 

2017-03-11 14:31:26.453	things we have done have made it

2017-03-11 14:31:30.451	wonderful for these populations 

2017-03-11 14:31:30.452	but more inclusive for all of 

2017-03-11 14:31:32.452	our audiences, so it has really 

2017-03-11 14:31:37.452	become universal, become that 

2017-03-11 14:31:38.452	ecosystem that you were talking 

2017-03-11 14:31:40.47	about, that organic ecosystem 

2017-03-11 14:31:42.45	that is growing, so I really 

2017-03-11 14:31:42.451	wanted to thank everybody for 

2017-03-11 14:31:44.449	this session that is starting to 

2017-03-11 14:31:49.482	see out into all those other 

2017-03-11 14:31:50.482	disenfranchised communities that 

2017-03-11 14:31:54.482	we are trying to connect with. 

2017-03-11 14:31:56.483	>> I would like to ask the group 

2017-03-11 14:31:59.483	a question. 

2017-03-11 14:31:59.484	This table started with the land 

2017-03-11 14:32:02.482	acknowledgment and then sang the 

2017-03-11 14:32:07.483	national anthem. 

2017-03-11 14:32:07.484	I would love to hear responses. 

2017-03-11 14:32:08.482	Yeah. 

2017-03-11 14:32:09.482	>> It was really interesting to 

2017-03-11 14:32:17.585	me because I'm a Rick Perry and, 

2017-03-11 14:32:22.65	so every Friday, we have lunch, 

2017-03-11 14:32:22.651	we sing "the Star-Spangled 

2017-03-11 14:32:25.733	Banner, but I used to always sit 

2017-03-11 14:32:28.773	next to a classical violinist 

2017-03-11 14:32:29.776	from Paris. 

2017-03-11 14:32:32.9	His father died in the camps. 

2017-03-11 14:32:36.9	He and his brother escaped. 

2017-03-11 14:32:37.902	The rest of the family was 

2017-03-11 14:32:40.901	killed. 

2017-03-11 14:32:40.902	We would sing that song and 

2017-03-11 14:32:40.903	Dimitri would whisper in my ear 

2017-03-11 14:32:45.901	when we got to the end,

2017-03-11 14:32:47.901	"almost."

2017-03-11 14:32:51.901	Whenever I hear "the 

2017-03-11 14:32:51.902	Star-Spangled Banner," I hear 

2017-03-11 14:32:53.901	Dimitri whisper in my ear. 

2017-03-11 14:32:56.914	It's both a comment of

2017-03-11 14:32:59.953	condemnation but also of hope, 

2017-03-11 14:33:00.95	that we are not there yet but we 

2017-03-11 14:33:01.952	will get there. 

2017-03-11 14:33:01.953	I want to thank you for letting 

2017-03-11 14:33:03.952	us say that, but I know we all 

2017-03-11 14:33:09.952	come to "the Star-Spangled 

2017-03-11 14:33:10.952	Banner" with a lot of different 

2017-03-11 14:33:10.953	feelings. 

2017-03-11 14:33:13.953	>> That was a very difficult 

2017-03-11 14:33:18.952	moment for me personally. 

2017-03-11 14:33:22.951	As an indigenous person, I love 

2017-03-11 14:33:25.951	the beauty of the song. 

2017-03-11 14:33:29.952	I come from a family of singers, 

2017-03-11 14:33:31.952	so the difficulty of that piece 

2017-03-11 14:33:32.952	technically resonates with me 

2017-03-11 14:33:35.953	very highly, but it was very 

2017-03-11 14:33:41.026	difficult, and a think I was 

2017-03-11 14:33:41.027	probably the only person in the 

2017-03-11 14:33:41.028	room who did not stand. 

2017-03-11 14:33:43.069	>> We didn't. 

2017-03-11 14:33:49.149	>> Well, aside from -- who was 

2017-03-11 14:33:52.234	physically able to stand and who 

2017-03-11 14:33:53.233	did not stand because that was a 

2017-03-11 14:33:55.275	moment of conflict for me 

2017-03-11 14:33:57.317	personally. 

2017-03-11 14:33:57.318	>> I acknowledge what you are 

2017-03-11 14:34:01.357	saying, and I have that moment 

2017-03-11 14:34:02.358	inside, too, although I did 

2017-03-11 14:34:03.371	stand and I love to sing it, but 

2017-03-11 14:34:07.36	the last time I sang it was last 

2017-03-11 14:34:08.361	month in my own community during

2017-03-11 14:34:11.357	a large for Hanover March 

2017-03-11 14:34:13.357	against the immigration ban, and 

2017-03-11 14:34:16.358	as we ended the March and took 

2017-03-11 14:34:20.358	over the entire Dartmouth Green 

2017-03-11 14:34:20.359	holding hands, a gigantic

2017-03-11 14:34:25.357	circle, a young man in a 

2017-03-11 14:34:25.358	beefed-up truck drove by with 

2017-03-11 14:34:27.358	his windows open blasting that 

2017-03-11 14:34:27.359	song, which we instantly all 

2017-03-11 14:34:30.358	began to sing with him. 

2017-03-11 14:34:32.371	>> I'm Rob Richter from 

2017-03-11 14:34:37.359	Connecticut College. 

2017-03-11 14:34:37.36	"The Star-Spangled Banner" -- I 

2017-03-11 14:34:43.359	cannot remember the last time I 

2017-03-11 14:34:43.36	have heard it or sung it, so it 

2017-03-11 14:34:47.359	was jarring for me. 

2017-03-11 14:34:51.359	And seated next toKita, I 

2017-03-11 14:35:01.401	debated standing. 

2017-03-11 14:35:01.402	It was a decision that had to be 

2017-03-11 14:35:07.527	made. 

2017-03-11 14:35:07.528	Looking around the room, hand 

2017-03-11 14:35:15.567	too hard, I had my hands in my 

2017-03-11 14:35:16.572	pocket. 

2017-03-11 14:35:16.573	And unlike -- am I being 

2017-03-11 14:35:22.609	inappropriate?  

2017-03-11 14:35:23.609	It was an interesting, 

2017-03-11 14:35:25.612	thought-provoking moment. 

2017-03-11 14:35:26.61	>> Captain McGuire, can I ask 

2017-03-11 14:35:26.611	you -- how did these comments or 

2017-03-11 14:35:31.609	-- I mean, this must come up. 

2017-03-11 14:35:33.609	How does this resonate for you?  

2017-03-11 14:35:37.609	What would be your comment about 

2017-03-11 14:35:40.61	it?  

2017-03-11 14:35:40.611	>> Again, these are my own

2017-03-11 14:35:43.609	personal thoughts. 

2017-03-11 14:35:46.61	I actually love it because, you 

2017-03-11 14:35:50.61	know, someone mentioned I think 

2017-03-11 14:35:52.61	earlier today or maybe it was 

2017-03-11 14:35:56.611	Maurice the hesitation of 

2017-03-11 14:36:01.61	expressing views that were 

2017-03-11 14:36:01.611	contrary to the way they are 

2017-03-11 14:36:06.61	presented through the military 

2017-03-11 14:36:07.61	and that it might be 

2017-03-11 14:36:07.611	unpatriotic. 

2017-03-11 14:36:07.612	I thought to myself there's 

2017-03-11 14:36:11.644	nothing more patriotic, right, 

2017-03-11 14:36:12.612	then pushing and questioning. 

2017-03-11 14:36:16.749	So for us, it is -- I do. 

2017-03-11 14:36:21.652	I love singing. 

2017-03-11 14:36:22.653	We sing all the time. 

2017-03-11 14:36:23.652	I'm always looking for an 

2017-03-11 14:36:23.654	opportunity to do it. 

2017-03-11 14:36:24.653	Of course, we start all of our 

2017-03-11 14:36:28.701	ceremonies with "the 

2017-03-11 14:36:31.778	Star-Spangled Banner." 

2017-03-11 14:36:32.778	It's just part of the military 

2017-03-11 14:36:38.779	culture, but it's very true that 

2017-03-11 14:36:38.78	a lot of people do not actively 

2017-03-11 14:36:40.778	think about what that experience 

2017-03-11 14:36:43.819	is like for other people. 

2017-03-11 14:36:43.824	>> Am going to take it from you

2017-03-11 14:36:53.819	for a moment for someone who has 

2017-03-11 14:36:53.82	not spoken. 

2017-03-11 14:36:53.821	>> Romm the perspective of an 

2017-03-11 14:36:55.817	army musician, I had been 

2017-03-11 14:37:00.861	singing the national anthem for 

2017-03-11 14:37:02.859	11 years, and it came to a point 

2017-03-11 14:37:03.861	in my career where it was like 

2017-03-11 14:37:05.864	brushing your teeth. 

2017-03-11 14:37:07.861	Something you do every day, like 

2017-03-11 14:37:09.859	a ritual, and it just happens. 

2017-03-11 14:37:09.86	There's no feelings. 

2017-03-11 14:37:13.91	It's off the cuff. 

2017-03-11 14:37:14.859	It just happens, so it was 

2017-03-11 14:37:15.86	natural for a long time. 

2017-03-11 14:37:19.904	If you were in uniform and you 

2017-03-11 14:37:24.906	do not salute and do not 

2017-03-11 14:37:24.907	recognize the flag during the 

2017-03-11 14:37:27.901	anthem or when you are supposed 

2017-03-11 14:37:27.903	to recognize a flag or render a 

2017-03-11 14:37:30.902	hand salute, it's like burning a 

2017-03-11 14:37:34.902	flag. 

2017-03-11 14:37:35.917	It's totally taboo. 

2017-03-11 14:37:36.904	You don't do it. 

2017-03-11 14:37:37.954	You will get pinned down for it. 

2017-03-11 14:37:39.948	Then I was a first responder in 

2017-03-11 14:37:40.954	the Boston Marathon bombings, 

2017-03-11 14:37:42.949	and three days later, I was 

2017-03-11 14:37:49.031	forced to sing the national 

2017-03-11 14:37:49.032	anthem at Fenway Park down the 

2017-03-11 14:37:49.033	street with a crowd of people 

2017-03-11 14:37:51.03	around me, and they announced

2017-03-11 14:37:54.111	that I was one of the first 

2017-03-11 14:37:55.155	responders, and I'm in uniforms, 

2017-03-11 14:37:58.2	just having all of these 

2017-03-11 14:37:58.201	emotions because of what I had 

2017-03-11 14:37:58.202	just been through, and since 

2017-03-11 14:38:01.25	then -- since that day, it has 

2017-03-11 14:38:06.25	never been the same for me. 

2017-03-11 14:38:08.251	I struggle with being a person 

2017-03-11 14:38:08.252	in the military and being in the 

2017-03-11 14:38:10.249	civilian world with when I hear 

2017-03-11 14:38:14.251	that, and it will never be the 

2017-03-11 14:38:15.25	same again, and I'm sure a lot 

2017-03-11 14:38:17.25	of the veterans in the room have 

2017-03-11 14:38:18.25	the same experience. 

2017-03-11 14:38:18.251	>> Can I get the microphone 

2017-03-11 14:38:21.25	here?  

2017-03-11 14:38:21.252	When here, when here, and then 

2017-03-11 14:38:25.251	we will go back there and over 

2017-03-11 14:38:25.252	there. 

2017-03-11 14:38:28.25	>> Real quick, I've got a 

2017-03-11 14:38:29.251	similar question about the 

2017-03-11 14:38:36.253	liminality of being in the 

2017-03-11 14:38:36.254	civilian world and being a 

2017-03-11 14:38:36.255	veteran that you are still 

2017-03-11 14:38:40.251	connected to the military 

2017-03-11 14:38:41.252	through your past, but you are 

2017-03-11 14:38:41.253	also living in the civilian 

2017-03-11 14:38:46.251	world, so you have no real 

2017-03-11 14:38:46.253	present world -- no real present 

2017-03-11 14:38:50.255	claim on being military. 

2017-03-11 14:38:52.25	Every time I hear "the 

2017-03-11 14:38:54.251	Star-Spangled Banner," my 

2017-03-11 14:38:54.252	question is -- do I put my hand 

2017-03-11 14:38:58.318	on my heart?  

2017-03-11 14:38:58.319	Do I salute?  

2017-03-11 14:39:00.318	Where is my position on this?  

2017-03-11 14:39:01.319	As a scholar and critical 

2017-03-11 14:39:03.404	thinker, I have also got all of 

2017-03-11 14:39:07.499	the indications of what "the 

2017-03-11 14:39:09.503	Star-Spangled Banner" is for 

2017-03-11 14:39:11.53	native, for African-American, 

2017-03-11 14:39:12.529	for all of the different

2017-03-11 14:39:17.611	implications that it has over 

2017-03-11 14:39:17.612	the colonial meanings, so there 

2017-03-11 14:39:21.653	is -- it stirs up a lot of 

2017-03-11 14:39:23.654	emotion, but at the same time, 

2017-03-11 14:39:23.655	it is an automatic response at 

2017-03-11 14:39:27.654	this point. 

2017-03-11 14:39:28.654	It is something that I grew up 

2017-03-11 14:39:29.653	with, and something that as a 

2017-03-11 14:39:33.656	military person, every single 

2017-03-11 14:39:33.657	day at 6:30, you were standing, 

2017-03-11 14:39:35.656	waiting for reveille to go off 

2017-03-11 14:39:42.702	and standing at attention and 

2017-03-11 14:39:42.704	all these things that happened

2017-03-11 14:39:46.699	that kind of built these 

2017-03-11 14:39:48.699	automatic responses in your 

2017-03-11 14:39:49.7	body. 

2017-03-11 14:39:49.701	So it is, it is a position of 

2017-03-11 14:39:51.7	liminality that I have not quite 

2017-03-11 14:39:51.701	digested yet. 

2017-03-11 14:39:54.699	>> I did not expect this issue 

2017-03-11 14:39:59.7	to come up here, but it's one of 

2017-03-11 14:40:01.7	the hardest issues of my

2017-03-11 14:40:04.7	personal transition from 

2017-03-11 14:40:05.7	servicemember, 22 years in the 

2017-03-11 14:40:06.702	uniform, to being what I am 

2017-03-11 14:40:07.7	today. 

2017-03-11 14:40:08.7	One of the things, as retiree, 

2017-03-11 14:40:13.701	we can wear our uniforms at 

2017-03-11 14:40:15.701	formal functions and things and 

2017-03-11 14:40:15.702	our ribbons, and I've made a 

2017-03-11 14:40:18.701	decision to never wear the 

2017-03-11 14:40:21.751	uniform again. 

2017-03-11 14:40:21.752	I dedicated my life to serving 

2017-03-11 14:40:23.751	in uniform and out of uniform 

2017-03-11 14:40:24.78	and the military, yet, I don't 

2017-03-11 14:40:26.821	feel I should ever wear the 

2017-03-11 14:40:27.821	uniform again. 

2017-03-11 14:40:27.822	I keep one in the closet for my 

2017-03-11 14:40:29.863	funeral -- I don't know why, but 

2017-03-11 14:40:31.905	I do. 

2017-03-11 14:40:36	The other point about the 

2017-03-11 14:40:37	national anthem was it was just 

2017-03-11 14:40:39	a professional ritual. 

2017-03-11 14:40:40.031	It was never a thought. 

2017-03-11 14:40:41.028	Something that was part of the 

2017-03-11 14:40:43.071	culture, the profession. 

2017-03-11 14:40:43.073	I did an oath to that. 

2017-03-11 14:40:47.113	Now I'm outside of my oath. 

2017-03-11 14:40:48.114	I have since internalized that 

2017-03-11 14:40:50.114	song -- I have faces of soldiers 

2017-03-11 14:40:53.114	that I have known, loved, and 

2017-03-11 14:40:55.113	fought with and died, and that 

2017-03-11 14:40:57.114	song now is a testament to them, 

2017-03-11 14:40:59.114	not necessarily what it was 

2017-03-11 14:40:59.115	about the country or its

2017-03-11 14:41:02.114	founding. 

2017-03-11 14:41:02.115	To me, that is a tribute song to 

2017-03-11 14:41:03.114	three specific people, and that 

2017-03-11 14:41:07.114	helps me get through that song 

2017-03-11 14:41:07.115	and then honor it. 

2017-03-11 14:41:09.113	I touch my heart because I am

2017-03-11 14:41:13.112	touching them, not doing a rote 

2017-03-11 14:41:13.113	ritual. 

2017-03-11 14:41:13.114	>> The reason I struggle with 

2017-03-11 14:41:27.115	hierarchy is it is singular, and 

2017-03-11 14:41:31.114	when it flips, it is still

2017-03-11 14:41:34.114	singular. 

2017-03-11 14:41:34.115	I think what we are hearing here 

2017-03-11 14:41:34.116	is each of us -- we are so much 

2017-03-11 14:41:39.112	more than a singular. 

2017-03-11 14:41:39.113	When things happen, how do we 

2017-03-11 14:41:44.157	handle the multiplicity of who 

2017-03-11 14:41:44.158	we are?  

2017-03-11 14:41:47.2	You did not leave the room, you 

2017-03-11 14:41:50.249	stated in the room. 

2017-03-11 14:41:52.282	That, to me, is the expression 

2017-03-11 14:41:54.322	of community. 

2017-03-11 14:41:54.323	Not that we are all going to do 

2017-03-11 14:41:56.322	the same thing at the same time 

2017-03-11 14:41:57.322	in precisely the same way. 

2017-03-11 14:41:57.323	It's that we agreed to be in 

2017-03-11 14:42:00.322	here and work that out. 

2017-03-11 14:42:03.321	I'm Jewish, raised by an 

2017-03-11 14:42:04.322	adamantly ecstatic Jewish father

2017-03-11 14:42:09.364	who at Christmas time would say, 

2017-03-11 14:42:10.365	"don't sing the Christmas carols 

2017-03-11 14:42:12.365	. 

2017-03-11 14:42:12.366	Just sit there." 

2017-03-11 14:42:13.365	Then he relented and say we 

2017-03-11 14:42:18.362	could sing but do not single 

2017-03-11 14:42:18.363	word Jesus. 

2017-03-11 14:42:22.366	This took, like, four years, and 

2017-03-11 14:42:22.367	that I'm old enough. 

2017-03-11 14:42:24.365	Some people remember when they 

2017-03-11 14:42:28.405	added "under God" to the Pledge 

2017-03-11 14:42:30.406	of Allegiance. 

2017-03-11 14:42:30.406	My father totally believed in 

2017-03-11 14:42:30.407	God but not in schools, so we 

2017-03-11 14:42:35.45	had to not say that part but we 

2017-03-11 14:42:36.451	could say the other part. 

2017-03-11 14:42:36.452	I see that as education and 

2017-03-11 14:42:40.45	nuance and a commitment to 

2017-03-11 14:42:42.451	participation. 

2017-03-11 14:42:42.452	For me, the fact that people in 

2017-03-11 14:42:44.451	this room wanted to sing that 

2017-03-11 14:42:46.452	was such a beautiful thing. 

2017-03-11 14:42:49.45	I felt that I could stand but I 

2017-03-11 14:42:52.45	did not need to sing. 

2017-03-11 14:42:53.448	This was the practice of living 

2017-03-11 14:42:55.45	in this circular, horizontal

2017-03-11 14:42:59.451	world to allow us to be those 

2017-03-11 14:42:59.452	multiple souls. 

2017-03-11 14:42:59.453	>> My views on service and 

2017-03-11 14:43:11.5	freedom have changed a bit since 

2017-03-11 14:43:12.501	leaving the Army 10 years ago. 

2017-03-11 14:43:12.502	I just have kind of grown to 

2017-03-11 14:43:18.616	wonder, those who defend

2017-03-11 14:43:21.655	freedom, what those freedoms 

2017-03-11 14:43:23.656	are, who those freedoms are for. 

2017-03-11 14:43:26.7	I was part of the veterans for 

2017-03-11 14:43:26.701	standing rock group that went to 

2017-03-11 14:43:29.699	North Dakota in December. 

2017-03-11 14:43:31.699	>> Thank you. 

2017-03-11 14:43:31.7	[APPLAUSE] 

2017-03-11 14:43:31.701	>> It was a very powerful 

2017-03-11 14:43:35.753	experience. 

2017-03-11 14:43:35.755	It felt like a hallowed ground. 

2017-03-11 14:43:41.749	I don't know how to explain it. 

2017-03-11 14:43:42.749	It was community on another 

2017-03-11 14:43:46.75	level that I had never 

2017-03-11 14:43:48.749	experienced before. 

2017-03-11 14:43:49.748	One thing I noticed quickly was 

2017-03-11 14:43:51.749	how patriotic the Native 

2017-03-11 14:43:51.75	Americans, the Lakota -- I met 

2017-03-11 14:43:56.75	indigents folks from all over 

2017-03-11 14:43:57.75	the world, but they were 

2017-03-11 14:43:58.75	extremely patriotic. 

2017-03-11 14:43:58.751	I saw more Marine Corps hats at 

2017-03-11 14:44:00.749	standing rock than any other 

2017-03-11 14:44:04.75	veteran group or place I have 

2017-03-11 14:44:04.751	ever been in. 

2017-03-11 14:44:08.75	What I felt was this idea of 

2017-03-11 14:44:13.752	coming together and what 

2017-03-11 14:44:15.752	community means, so I felt that 

2017-03-11 14:44:15.753	when we did that here. 

2017-03-11 14:44:18.75	But this idea of questioning -- 

2017-03-11 14:44:25.782	it makes me with my personal 

2017-03-11 14:44:26.783	experiences wonder -- is that 

2017-03-11 14:44:28.826	good or bad or right or wrong?  

2017-03-11 14:44:31.95	I'm trying to make peace with 

2017-03-11 14:44:34.033	the idea that questioning is OK. 

2017-03-11 14:44:35.034	Just wanted to share that. 

2017-03-11 14:44:35.035	>> I was surprised that that 

2017-03-11 14:44:42.159	came up -- I'm sorry, did I step 

2017-03-11 14:44:44.198	on -- that the song came up and 

2017-03-11 14:44:49.209	that we were going to sing it 

2017-03-11 14:44:49.21	and we sang it. 

2017-03-11 14:44:49.211	I personally sing it and put my 

2017-03-11 14:44:54.2	hand on my heart because my dad 

2017-03-11 14:44:56.25	served in the military, and he 

2017-03-11 14:44:56.251	was in Germany for four years 

2017-03-11 14:45:00.283	and was in the Marine Corps 

2017-03-11 14:45:01.283	reserve, but I wanted to say 

2017-03-11 14:45:01.284	that I want to honor every 

2017-03-11 14:45:08.323	single opinion on what happened

2017-03-11 14:45:11.324	in this room, and it is an 

2017-03-11 14:45:11.325	example for me -- what hit me 

2017-03-11 14:45:17.324	talking about this is this is a 

2017-03-11 14:45:19.323	very clear, stark example, to 

2017-03-11 14:45:20.324	put a more political terms what 

2017-03-11 14:45:21.325	Liz just said, this is exactly 

2017-03-11 14:45:23.341	the kind of forms -- forums we 

2017-03-11 14:45:29.324	need to create out in the 

2017-03-11 14:45:31.327	community outside of our arts

2017-03-11 14:45:34.323	community, where it is OK to not 

2017-03-11 14:45:35.324	have the same opinion. 

2017-03-11 14:45:37.324	We are not screaming at each 

2017-03-11 14:45:39.324	other, but I completely respect 

2017-03-11 14:45:40.325	the opinions of her. 

2017-03-11 14:45:42.368	For me, it is united states of 

2017-03-11 14:45:46.408	America, love it or leave it -- 

2017-03-11 14:45:47.452	no, love it or change it. 

2017-03-11 14:45:51.5	To your point, several times 

2017-03-11 14:45:53.5	over the past day, and also to 

2017-03-11 14:45:56.575	Colleen's point, it gave me some 

2017-03-11 14:46:02.66	hope because that is the kind of 

2017-03-11 14:46:04.657	discourse we should create 

2017-03-11 14:46:04.658	everywhere we possibly can 

2017-03-11 14:46:04.659	because healthy democracy means 

2017-03-11 14:46:08.7	all these different voices. 

2017-03-11 14:46:08.701	It was hopeful. 

2017-03-11 14:46:12.699	>> I just want to thank you all 

2017-03-11 14:46:18.699	for this experience of being in 

2017-03-11 14:46:22.699	community. 

2017-03-11 14:46:23.7	I just wanted to add that your 

2017-03-11 14:46:25.701	question about the experience 

2017-03-11 14:46:25.702	feels to me like one of those

2017-03-11 14:46:29.7	exercises of what it means to 

2017-03-11 14:46:30.7	make art together. 

2017-03-11 14:46:31.701	The singing in that moment is an 

2017-03-11 14:46:34.7	enactment of a ritual in which, 

2017-03-11 14:46:37.703	again, we have all had so many 

2017-03-11 14:46:39.701	different experiences, but a 

2017-03-11 14:46:39.702	catalyst then to bring us 

2017-03-11 14:46:43.7	together in that very process of 

2017-03-11 14:46:44.698	differentiation and sharing, so 

2017-03-11 14:46:48.753	thank you for that. 

2017-03-11 14:46:48.754	>> Can I just say one thing 

2017-03-11 14:46:50.75	really quickly?  

2017-03-11 14:46:52.75	The interesting thing is the 

2017-03-11 14:46:56.752	original plan was for Rebecca 

2017-03-11 14:46:56.753	and Melissa and I to sing, and 

2017-03-11 14:46:59.751	then Lisa said, "oh, I've got my 

2017-03-11 14:47:01.752	violin."

2017-03-11 14:47:05.802	We had even picked out the key, 

2017-03-11 14:47:06.801	so we were not envisioning a 

2017-03-11 14:47:09.8	sing along. 

2017-03-11 14:47:09.801	So when everybody stood up, I 

2017-03-11 14:47:11.799	was like, isn't this

2017-03-11 14:47:13.823	interesting?" 

2017-03-11 14:47:13.825	And I think it is interesting. 

2017-03-11 14:47:18.868	I think it happened exactly how 

2017-03-11 14:47:19.913	it should have. 

2017-03-11 14:47:19.914	I go to these incidents a lot. 

2017-03-11 14:47:21.909	This has been one of the most

2017-03-11 14:47:25.952	significant and genuine 

2017-03-11 14:47:25.953	experiences that I perhaps have 

2017-03-11 14:47:27.953	ever had within the arts and 

2017-03-11 14:47:27.954	military conversation. 

2017-03-11 14:47:27.955	And it is hopeful because of 

2017-03-11 14:47:33	that genuine quality that people 

2017-03-11 14:47:33.999	can say exactly what they want, 

2017-03-11 14:47:36.999	you know?  

2017-03-11 14:47:38	That is patriotism, and it has 

2017-03-11 14:47:39.999	been a beautiful experience. 

2017-03-11 14:47:42	Thank you, everybody. 

2017-03-11 14:47:42.001	>> We are going to break here. 

2017-03-11 14:47:46	>> No, that's just me. 

2017-03-11 14:47:47.999	>> We have to break here, so 

2017-03-11 14:47:49.999	continue this conversation with 

2017-03-11 14:47:51.016	each other, but part of the 

2017-03-11 14:47:52.001	reason I wanted to make sure we 

2017-03-11 14:47:52.001	discussed it is because it is 

2017-03-11 14:47:53.002	really at the core part of how 

2017-03-11 14:47:58	we are diverse in this room, 

2017-03-11 14:47:58	even though we agree on the 

2017-03-11 14:47:58.001	value of art. 

2017-03-11 14:48:01.017	There are lots of different 

2017-03-11 14:48:03	opinions about many things 

2017-03-11 14:48:03.001	related to the subject. 

2017-03-11 14:48:03.002	Thank you all for engaging the 

2017-03-11 14:48:08.999	conversation. 

2017-03-11 14:48:09	Thank you for your attention. 

2017-03-11 14:48:09.002	[APPLAUSE] 

2017-03-11 14:48:24.999	>> OK, folks, we are on a break 

2017-03-11 14:48:31	until 3:00 p.m., but we are 

2017-03-11 14:48:32.051	moving back into the orchard for 

2017-03-11 14:48:35.077	another case study. 

2017-03-11 15:04:53.185	>> good evening everyone. 

2017-03-11 15:04:53.185	Take a deep breath. 

2017-03-11 15:05:01.18	Just a moment to transition from 

2017-03-11 15:05:05.181	that room, which was so full, to 

2017-03-11 15:05:07.18	another full moment. 

2017-03-11 15:05:11.183	I have the honor of 

2017-03-11 15:05:16.182	introducing-based track live. 

2017-03-11 15:05:16.183	This is the third of the three 

2017-03-11 15:05:19.188	national theater project 

2017-03-11 15:05:21.181	supported works that were some 

2017-03-11 15:05:24.181	of the instigators for having 

2017-03-11 15:05:26.182	these meetings. 

2017-03-11 15:05:26.183	This means I don't have to be on 

2017-03-11 15:05:31.18	stage anymore. 

2017-03-11 15:05:31.181	Him one of the things I do in my 

2017-03-11 15:05:39.185	role as director of theater and 

2017-03-11 15:05:42.184	the national theater project is 

2017-03-11 15:05:43.19	read as into reports. 

2017-03-11 15:05:45.184	-- read presenter. 

2017-03-11 15:05:50.181	-- read presenter reports. 

2017-03-11 15:05:54.183	They were with vets and 

2017-03-11 15:06:02.182	theatergoers and came together. 

2017-03-11 15:06:02.183	That is a lot of reports. 

2017-03-11 15:06:05.19	It was by far the longest twerp 

2017-03-11 15:06:12.189	plan I had to track. 

2017-03-11 15:06:12.19	-- longest tour plan I had to 

2017-03-11 15:06:18.226	track. 

2017-03-11 15:06:18.228	-based track was ---based track 

2017-03-11 15:06:30.275	was performed from Pennsylvania 

2017-03-11 15:06:35.276	and consistently present to 

2017-03-11 15:06:37.282	audience members had the same 

2017-03-11 15:06:37.284	comments, I wish more people 

2017-03-11 15:06:42.352	have seen the show. 

2017-03-11 15:06:42.353	This was regardless of whether 

2017-03-11 15:06:45.349	or not the rooms were packed, 

2017-03-11 15:06:49.353	and they couldn't fit anymore 

2017-03-11 15:06:49.354	people. 

2017-03-11 15:06:49.355	The comments that I read also

2017-03-11 15:06:57.349	emphasized the guards 

2017-03-11 15:07:00.351	commitments and --  

2017-03-11 15:07:02.351	Making the stories more visible. 

2017-03-11 15:07:05.353	This is one of the three 

2017-03-11 15:07:10.442	national theater projects I 

2017-03-11 15:07:10.443	didn't have the opportunity to 

2017-03-11 15:07:10.445	see. 

2017-03-11 15:07:10.446	Mainly because their hectic 

2017-03-11 15:07:14.436	travel scheduled my own -- 

2017-03-11 15:07:22.434	schedule rivaled my own. 

2017-03-11 15:07:22.435	I will leave the discussion for 

2017-03-11 15:07:30.438	after. 

2017-03-11 15:07:30.438	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 15:07:30.439	[APPLAUSE] 

2017-03-11 15:07:31.436	>> high everybody. 

2017-03-11 15:07:34.475	>> hi. 

2017-03-11 15:07:39.485	First can I say I missed a lot 

2017-03-11 15:07:46.479	unfortunately, I just want to 

2017-03-11 15:07:49.485	make sure we give a shout out to 

2017-03-11 15:07:51.531	me for best to -- shout out to

2017-03-11 15:07:57.58	NEFA. 

2017-03-11 15:07:58.581	But do such great important work 

2017-03-11 15:08:01.578	supporting us all. 

2017-03-11 15:08:01.579	There come those moments in time 

2017-03-11 15:08:06.589	that change your life. 

2017-03-11 15:08:06.59	And they can come up 

2017-03-11 15:08:12.604	unexpectedly. 

2017-03-11 15:08:12.605	Based track -- Bass Track is one 

2017-03-11 15:08:20.607	of those situations. 

2017-03-11 15:08:20.608	I wasn't even sure I was going 

2017-03-11 15:08:25.647	to go. 

2017-03-11 15:08:25.648	I went and saw this workshop

2017-03-11 15:08:25.648	 and 

2017-03-11 15:08:36.691	it immediately spoke to me as 

2017-03-11 15:08:36.692	something I needed to put my 

2017-03-11 15:08:37.689	energies around. 

2017-03-11 15:08:37.69	I started this in 1986 to create 

2017-03-11 15:08:45.69	site-specific see that 

2017-03-11 15:08:48.691	site-specific theater in New 

2017-03-11 15:08:48.692	York City. 

2017-03-11 15:08:48.694	I did a lot of out that a lot of 

2017-03-11 15:08:51.693	large-scale outdoor work. 

2017-03-11 15:08:52.691	--I did a lot of large-scale 

2017-03-11 15:08:58.691	outdoor work. 

2017-03-11 15:08:58.692	Around the theater for 13 years 

2017-03-11 15:09:08.69	and went often became Executive 

2017-03-11 15:09:12.691	Vice President of Disney, 

2017-03-11 15:09:12.692	founding a global division to 

2017-03-11 15:09:15.693	bring theater artists in to the 

2017-03-11 15:09:18.732	parks worldwide. 

2017-03-11 15:09:18.733	Then I had asked myself the 

2017-03-11 15:09:21.738	question who am I now, what 

2017-03-11 15:09:26.733	should I be doing, and --  

2017-03-11 15:09:32.731	For those of you who have been 

2017-03-11 15:09:34.735	through transitions, you know 

2017-03-11 15:09:34.794	that transitions are when you 

2017-03-11 15:09:37.736	are in the muck. 

2017-03-11 15:09:37.737	I saw Bass Track, and it was 

2017-03-11 15:09:44.78	this beautiful story about war

2017-03-11 15:09:47.785	that was nuanced and had 

2017-03-11 15:09:47.786	extraordinary music, and was 

2017-03-11 15:09:52.78	about a photographer, and 

2017-03-11 15:09:54.828	extraordinary photographer

2017-03-11 15:09:57.83	embedded in Afghanistan. 

2017-03-11 15:09:57.832	And he took these photographs 

2017-03-11 15:10:02.84	and he created a Facebook page 

2017-03-11 15:10:05.83	and a website to enable military 

2017-03-11 15:10:06.83	families to communicate with 

2017-03-11 15:10:06.831	their loved ones. 

2017-03-11 15:10:07.829	And then the composers and the 

2017-03-11 15:10:13.859	originators of the idea had 

2017-03-11 15:10:15.86	taken verbatim text from this 

2017-03-11 15:10:18.855	website and created this 

2017-03-11 15:10:23.865	multimedia 20 minute piece that 

2017-03-11 15:10:23.866	was extraordinary. 

2017-03-11 15:10:23.868	We were missing one very 

2017-03-11 15:10:27.862	critical thing. 

2017-03-11 15:10:28.86	Which was a director and an 

2017-03-11 15:10:34.943	innovator and a collaborator. 

2017-03-11 15:10:34.944	I had the good fortune to meet 

2017-03-11 15:10:40.985	Seth Buckley, who has been in my 

2017-03-11 15:10:41.984	life over to productions. 

2017-03-11 15:10:41.985	We did a show called wilderness 

2017-03-11 15:10:44.985	which is touring. 

2017-03-11 15:10:44.986	>> as you can tell her vision is 

2017-03-11 15:10:53.987	an inspiration and I came in not 

2017-03-11 15:10:53.988	knowing Michelle or the 

2017-03-11 15:10:56.985	composers or the photography and 

2017-03-11 15:10:56.986	questioned but feeling tasks to 

2017-03-11 15:11:01.003	find a story to take us through

2017-03-11 15:11:03.985	an evening work. 

2017-03-11 15:11:03.986	We took a documentary approach. 

2017-03-11 15:11:07.03	We sent a screenwriter out into

2017-03-11 15:11:15.029	across the United States. 

2017-03-11 15:11:15.03	We interviewed young men who 

2017-03-11 15:11:20.039	have been part of the particular 

2017-03-11 15:11:20.041	Marine unit that was 

2017-03-11 15:11:22.082	photographed in the original 

2017-03-11 15:11:26.087	project Bass Track and followed 

2017-03-11 15:11:26.088	up with them. 

2017-03-11 15:11:27.084	We found a story and the story 

2017-03-11 15:11:32.119	was the impact of war on 

2017-03-11 15:11:32.12	families and we found one 

2017-03-11 15:11:36.112	particular interview subject and 

2017-03-11 15:11:40.113	his wife and we end up creating 

2017-03-11 15:11:46.112	a documentary theater piece 

2017-03-11 15:11:46.114	using their story as the 

2017-03-11 15:11:51.113	specific on which to tell them 

2017-03-11 15:11:51.114	more universal story about 

2017-03-11 15:11:52.157	service, about war, about trauma 

2017-03-11 15:11:57.337	and relationships and the impact 

2017-03-11 15:11:59.331	of war on families. 

2017-03-11 15:11:59.332	I wanted to share a piece and 

2017-03-11 15:12:06.332	frame a little bit about what 

2017-03-11 15:12:06.333	you are going to see today we 

2017-03-11 15:12:10.332	ran into a problem where he 

2017-03-11 15:12:11.33	started to write a play. 

2017-03-11 15:12:11.361	That's where we started beating 

2017-03-11 15:12:15.362	her head against the wall and 

2017-03-11 15:12:17.363	it's like we are trying to write 

2017-03-11 15:12:19.363	a play about AJ and Melissa and 

2017-03-11 15:12:19.364	it became the miniseries soap 

2017-03-11 15:12:21.362	opera. 

2017-03-11 15:12:21.409	>> it was a mess for a while. 

2017-03-11 15:12:24.451	>> when I realized is it had to 

2017-03-11 15:12:30.454	start with the music. 

2017-03-11 15:12:30.455	We created a piece that is very 

2017-03-11 15:12:36.448	impressionistic and constructed 

2017-03-11 15:12:36.448	almost like an album going from 

2017-03-11 15:12:40.448	track to track, song to song, 

2017-03-11 15:12:41.449	using the original track of the 

2017-03-11 15:12:44.448	music to tell an impressionistic 

2017-03-11 15:12:50.489	story, a tapestry of what this 

2017-03-11 15:12:50.49	feels like to go through this 

2017-03-11 15:12:54.49	kind of deployment, this kind of 

2017-03-11 15:12:55.492	service, and this kind of return 

2017-03-11 15:12:55.493	home afterwards. 

2017-03-11 15:12:55.497	>> One other thing is we had two 

2017-03-11 15:13:00.49	very important residencies for 

2017-03-11 15:13:03.497	the development of peace, one 

2017-03-11 15:13:08.495	was the University of Florida 

2017-03-11 15:13:08.496	Gainesville and we did a 

2017-03-11 15:13:13.549	residency with tight script in 

2017-03-11 15:13:13.55	their hands. 

2017-03-11 15:13:13.551	We had 1500 students come see 

2017-03-11 15:13:16.534	the work, they all filled out 

2017-03-11 15:13:20.534	questionnaires. 

2017-03-11 15:13:20.535	He said we want to hear more 

2017-03-11 15:13:22.533	from the families, so I went on 

2017-03-11 15:13:26.582	Skype ended Skype interviews 

2017-03-11 15:13:26.583	with the wives, which we then 

2017-03-11 15:13:30.583	incorporated into the video 

2017-03-11 15:13:30.583	design, which you will see. 

2017-03-11 15:13:32.582	This was very personal for me 

2017-03-11 15:13:37.591	that as a mom I thought to 

2017-03-11 15:13:40.599	myself, what would it be like if 

2017-03-11 15:13:43.656	my son walked into the door and 

2017-03-11 15:13:43.656	said to me I'm going to war. 

2017-03-11 15:13:47.656	It made me realize we spend so 

2017-03-11 15:13:51.669	much time talking about vets. 

2017-03-11 15:13:53.657	and we spend too little time

2017-03-11 15:13:57.663	talking about the people who are 

2017-03-11 15:13:57.665	waiting for them back home and 

2017-03-11 15:14:03.701	the war's impact on mothers and 

2017-03-11 15:14:04.708	wives and husbands and brothers 

2017-03-11 15:14:04.709	and sisters and what are they 

2017-03-11 15:14:07.702	going through? 

2017-03-11 15:14:08.7	We don't talk about them enough. 

2017-03-11 15:14:12.701	Bass Track really tries to talk 

2017-03-11 15:14:17.702	about the experience of four 

2017-03-11 15:14:17.703	with the whole family. 

2017-03-11 15:14:17.704	And we're fortunate enough to go 

2017-03-11 15:14:21.703	to Arizona State University, 

2017-03-11 15:14:23.702	they were fantastic. 

2017-03-11 15:14:23.703	There are a couple of those 

2017-03-11 15:14:27.702	folks sitting with us here in 

2017-03-11 15:14:27.703	the audience. 

2017-03-11 15:14:27.707	And in the welcome at the 

2017-03-11 15:14:31.702	University of Austin Texas and 

2017-03-11 15:14:35.705	went to 40 cities around the 

2017-03-11 15:14:35.706	country. 

2017-03-11 15:14:35.707	>> From a theater making point 

2017-03-11 15:14:40.745	of view I want to acknowledge 

2017-03-11 15:14:41.743	how important it was to have 

2017-03-11 15:14:43.744	fully technical residencies, 

2017-03-11 15:14:46.748	this is a multimedia piece. 

2017-03-11 15:14:46.749	This is not people sitting 

2017-03-11 15:14:51.747	around a table reading a script, 

2017-03-11 15:14:53.752	this is video design. 

2017-03-11 15:14:55.746	It really allowed for designers 

2017-03-11 15:15:04.787	to be present and really loud to 

2017-03-11 15:15:06.787	design at this stage. 

2017-03-11 15:15:09.791	>> AJ's story is very 

2017-03-11 15:15:17.788	interesting. 

2017-03-11 15:15:17.789	He got married before he was 

2017-03-11 15:15:21.788	deployed. 

2017-03-11 15:15:21.789	While he was deployed his wife 

2017-03-11 15:15:25.789	Melissa had a baby. 

2017-03-11 15:15:25.79	When he was in Afghanistan he 

2017-03-11 15:15:30.834	was wounded and then had to go 

2017-03-11 15:15:30.835	back home. 

2017-03-11 15:15:37.85	For a while he suffered from 

2017-03-11 15:15:37.851	PTSD. 

2017-03-11 15:15:37.852	Now he is doing very well. 

2017-03-11 15:15:41.837	He went to college and we have 

2017-03-11 15:15:43.836	kept in touch and one funny 

2017-03-11 15:15:45.884	thing I do want to say, he came 

2017-03-11 15:15:49.885	to the opening night of the

2017-03-11 15:15:52.901	show, as did Melissa, and AJ was 

2017-03-11 15:15:57.885	sitting in the audience when 

2017-03-11 15:15:57.886	Melissa was saying something and 

2017-03-11 15:15:59.889	this was all verbatim. 

2017-03-11 15:15:59.889	He said, I didn't say that, I 

2017-03-11 15:16:04.915	can't believe she said that. 

2017-03-11 15:16:04.916	It's quite something to meet the 

2017-03-11 15:16:08.915	real performers and quite 

2017-03-11 15:16:08.917	wonderful. 

2017-03-11 15:16:09.914	>> Limit going to frame again 

2017-03-11 15:16:14.917	what you're going to see this 

2017-03-11 15:16:14.918	afternoon, you're going to see 

2017-03-11 15:16:17.917	some of the archival video of 

2017-03-11 15:16:17.918	the production. 

2017-03-11 15:16:17.919	This is the story of AJ, 

2017-03-11 15:16:21.996	Melissa, their marriage, you 

2017-03-11 15:16:24.999	will also see some of the Skype 

2017-03-11 15:16:25	videos any mention of wives of 

2017-03-11 15:16:26.998	this -- of Marines from this 

2017-03-11 15:16:29.996	unit. 

2017-03-11 15:16:29.998	You are going to see bits of 

2017-03-11 15:16:34.999	archival video from the show 

2017-03-11 15:16:35	interspersed with live music 

2017-03-11 15:16:36.998	performed by Kenneth Rodriguez. 

2017-03-11 15:16:37.999	Then we're going to end with the 

2017-03-11 15:16:40.998	final monologue. 

2017-03-11 15:16:43.999	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 15:16:44	>> thank you. 

2017-03-11 15:16:50.044	♪ 

2017-03-11 15:17:18.136	♪ 

2017-03-11 15:17:19.138	>> and with the first Battalion 

2017-03-11 15:18:18.297	of the Marines, I'm from 

2017-03-11 15:18:21.296	Indiana. 

2017-03-11 15:18:21.297	My age is 21. 

2017-03-11 15:18:24.294	>> 23 years old, from Boston 

2017-03-11 15:18:33.292	Massachusetts. 

2017-03-11 15:18:33.293	, my name is Joshua Jackson. 

2017-03-11 15:18:39.298	First court. 

2017-03-11 15:18:40.293	-- first corps. 

2017-03-11 15:18:45.303	>> Captain John Hamill. 

2017-03-11 15:18:52.294	Bravo company. 

2017-03-11 15:18:52.295	>> 26 years old. 

2017-03-11 15:18:55.295	>> Richard Gilligan. 

2017-03-11 15:18:58.389	>> Lance Corporal --  

2017-03-11 15:19:02.39	[INDISCERNIBLE] 

2017-03-11 15:19:10.39	>> Lance Corporal, from Texas. 

2017-03-11 15:19:25.51	No question about it, where the 

2017-03-11 15:19:36.55	best. 

2017-03-11 15:19:36.551	♪ 

2017-03-11 15:19:41.547	>> When I was in Afghanistan all 

2017-03-11 15:19:47.549	I wanted to do was come back to 

2017-03-11 15:19:47.55	America. 

2017-03-11 15:19:47.551	Then when I got home to America 

2017-03-11 15:19:50.589	there was this empty feeling. 

2017-03-11 15:19:52.588	And then I want to just go back 

2017-03-11 15:19:55.607	to Afghanistan

2017-03-11 15:19:55.607	 >> I could see in 

2017-03-11 15:20:05.597	his face he wants to talk about 

2017-03-11 15:20:05.598	it but he doesn't want to talk 

2017-03-11 15:20:07.644	about it so for me the minute he 

2017-03-11 15:20:14.641	got back it was never the same. 

2017-03-11 15:20:14.642	>> When you think of a Marine 

2017-03-11 15:20:24.674	what do you think of? 

2017-03-11 15:20:24.675	Do you think some of it kicking 

2017-03-11 15:20:27.674	the doors with a rifle? 

2017-03-11 15:20:27.675	You don't think a mechanic or 

2017-03-11 15:20:30.674	cook as I wanted to do. 

2017-03-11 15:20:35.684	I'm infantry. 

2017-03-11 15:20:35.684	>> Bass Track was a website 

2017-03-11 15:20:38.674	where these journalists posted 

2017-03-11 15:20:38.676	photos and videos of these guys. 

2017-03-11 15:20:41.72	Everybody was following it. 

2017-03-11 15:20:44.798	When you have -- when you are 

2017-03-11 15:20:48.801	the girlfriend you are important 

2017-03-11 15:20:49.799	enough to know the Bass Track 

2017-03-11 15:20:49.8	information but when you are 

2017-03-11 15:20:51.798	married all your wives -- 

2017-03-11 15:20:54.806	otherwise have your contact 

2017-03-11 15:20:54.807	information. 

2017-03-11 15:20:54.807	All the moms that have kids, it 

2017-03-11 15:21:00.8	was such a bonding thing for us. 

2017-03-11 15:21:00.805	Then you mean better and wives 

2017-03-11 15:21:06.799	who have been through four or 

2017-03-11 15:21:06.8	five deployments, death 

2017-03-11 15:21:11.899	deployments. 

2017-03-11 15:21:11.9	>> it was helpful to have that 

2017-03-11 15:21:13.902	media there just so you knew 

2017-03-11 15:21:17.941	they were OK. 

2017-03-11 15:21:17.942	>> when you see people's 

2017-03-11 15:21:21.942	Facebook pages that you are 

2017-03-11 15:21:23.945	involved in or here these 

2017-03-11 15:21:25.941	private little group chats and 

2017-03-11 15:21:26.94	they are dropping like flies, 

2017-03-11 15:21:29.945	you lose sleep and if the phone 

2017-03-11 15:21:33.976	rings and the door knocks, 

2017-03-11 15:21:33.978	whether it is pest control or 

2017-03-11 15:21:35.968	the maintenance guy your heart 

2017-03-11 15:21:37.007	stops beating thinking that's 

2017-03-11 15:21:41.007	the guy come in to tell you he's 

2017-03-11 15:21:41.008	not coming back. 

2017-03-11 15:21:43.007	>> account remember who it was 

2017-03-11 15:21:48.017	at this time. 

2017-03-11 15:21:48.018	One of the lives -- one of the 

2017-03-11 15:21:52.008	wives asked is it Mike? that 

2017-03-11 15:22:00.009	wasn't my gonzo -- asked was it 

2017-03-11 15:22:05.011	my gonzo? 

2017-03-11 15:22:05.012	Mike Johnson dropped. 

2017-03-11 15:22:09.01	That that -- my job just 

2017-03-11 15:22:14.011	dropped. 

2017-03-11 15:22:14.012	-- my jaw just dropped. 

2017-03-11 15:22:22.012	I got a phone call from him and 

2017-03-11 15:22:27.011	the first words out of his mouth 

2017-03-11 15:22:28.013	were it wasn't me. 

2017-03-11 15:22:28.014	>> a kind of reminds me of home. 

2017-03-11 15:22:32.054	, more focused on hearts and 

2017-03-11 15:22:37.063	minds than people. 

2017-03-11 15:22:38.055	>> They want electricity and 

2017-03-11 15:22:38.056	water. 

2017-03-11 15:22:38.06	>> Is one of the most important 

2017-03-11 15:22:41.051	jobs. 

2017-03-11 15:22:41.053	>> People start to recognize 

2017-03-11 15:22:46.061	you. 

2017-03-11 15:22:46.062	>> Kind of reminds me at home. 

2017-03-11 15:22:52.059	♪ 

2017-03-11 15:22:52.06	>> Put your wives down, you keep 

2017-03-11 15:23:02.054	looking at me -- put your lives 

2017-03-11 15:23:06.061	down. 

2017-03-11 15:23:09.059	Put your lives down. 

2017-03-11 15:23:12.053	You keep looking at me, don't 

2017-03-11 15:23:18.057	you make a fucking sound. 

2017-03-11 15:23:21.054	Their hands were still dirty. 

2017-03-11 15:23:25.144	Now here's a friend i've got to 

2017-03-11 15:23:29.144	bury. 

2017-03-11 15:23:30.143	War stories, outlaws with no 

2017-03-11 15:23:33.149	glory. 

2017-03-11 15:23:33.15	I never go out, forever hold

2017-03-11 15:23:39.192	out, and even now, no doubt. 

2017-03-11 15:23:41.192	Put your lives down, keep your 

2017-03-11 15:23:48.199	wives down son. 

2017-03-11 15:23:52.229	You keep looking at me, and 

2017-03-11 15:23:55.228	don't you make a fucking sound. 

2017-03-11 15:23:57.222	Which are lives down, keep your 

2017-03-11 15:24:02.232	wives down, send. -- put your 

2017-03-11 15:24:06.223	wives down, keep your wives 

2017-03-11 15:24:10.265	down, son. 

2017-03-11 15:24:11.266	>> they live in third houses, 

2017-03-11 15:24:14.269	houses made of dirt. 

2017-03-11 15:24:17.31	You open up of Bible and if 

2017-03-11 15:24:20.307	there was a picture that's what 

2017-03-11 15:24:20.309	you would see. 

2017-03-11 15:24:20.31	There are two different types of 

2017-03-11 15:24:24.308	stress out there, the stress of 

2017-03-11 15:24:28.306	actually operating, you're 

2017-03-11 15:24:28.312	constantly on guard, and then 

2017-03-11 15:24:31.308	there is the other stress. 

2017-03-11 15:24:35.307	They say you age a lot faster in 

2017-03-11 15:24:39.308	the military for a lot of 

2017-03-11 15:24:39.309	reasons. 

2017-03-11 15:24:39.311	For us when Hernandez got killed 

2017-03-11 15:24:46.348	, I believe -- if I ever did 

2017-03-11 15:24:53.35	believe in God, I do now. 

2017-03-11 15:24:54.355	You want to do it. 

2017-03-11 15:24:57.356	>> ♪ listen to me his mind is 

2017-03-11 15:25:04.351	like a war zone. 

2017-03-11 15:25:04.352	Faye sweaty and full of sand. 

2017-03-11 15:25:09.349	Listen to me, we try to see 

2017-03-11 15:25:16.351	through these people. 

2017-03-11 15:25:22.351	Keep it couple feedback -- keep 

2017-03-11 15:25:27.362	a couple feet back. 

2017-03-11 15:25:28.353	Put your lives down, keep your 

2017-03-11 15:25:32.352	lives down son, you keep looking 

2017-03-11 15:25:36.359	at me and don't you make a 

2017-03-11 15:25:37.35	fucking sound. 

2017-03-11 15:25:39.355	Put your lives down, keep your 

2017-03-11 15:25:44.366	wives down son. 

2017-03-11 15:25:49.353	You keep looking at me and don't 

2017-03-11 15:25:49.354	you make a fucking sound. 

2017-03-11 15:25:52.351	♪ ♪ 

2017-03-11 15:26:04.397	>> of got a baby girl on the 

2017-03-11 15:26:07.399	way. 

2017-03-11 15:26:07.4	>> Am trying to go back to 

2017-03-11 15:26:11.398	school. 

2017-03-11 15:26:11.399	>> Kind of thing it -- kind of 

2017-03-11 15:26:16.448	thinking about getting out. 

2017-03-11 15:26:20.448	Maybe criminal justice degree or 

2017-03-11 15:26:20.449	something like that. 

2017-03-11 15:26:20.45	If that doesn't work out maybe 

2017-03-11 15:26:26.449	all just be a cop for the FBI or 

2017-03-11 15:26:26.454	something like that. 

2017-03-11 15:26:26.455	I was going down the side street 

2017-03-11 15:26:33.478	theater the sky was a lot 

2017-03-11 15:26:36.479	quicker than I thought he was 

2017-03-11 15:26:38.48	and he cut up to me. 

2017-03-11 15:26:39.481	I said will Marty go to jail it 

2017-03-11 15:26:39.482	might as well pull over. 

2017-03-11 15:26:40.481	He said where you going? 

2017-03-11 15:26:46.525	Nowhere fast. 

2017-03-11 15:26:51.564	He said have you been drinking 

2017-03-11 15:26:51.565	tonight? 

2017-03-11 15:26:51.567	. 

2017-03-11 15:26:53.605	He said I'll be back in a 

2017-03-11 15:26:58.604	minute. 

2017-03-11 15:26:58.606	He comes back and says, so you 

2017-03-11 15:27:02.607	are in the Marines? 

2017-03-11 15:27:03.605	I said I was in the infantry. 

2017-03-11 15:27:08.614	He said did you deploy to 

2017-03-11 15:27:08.616	Afghanistan? 

2017-03-11 15:27:08.617	I said yes it is Québec 

2017-03-11 15:27:13.606	Afghanistan in March. 

2017-03-11 15:27:14.608	He said step out of the car. 

2017-03-11 15:27:16.604	Here we go. 

2017-03-11 15:27:16.605	He said do you have PTSD? 

2017-03-11 15:27:23.619	I haven't been officially 

2017-03-11 15:27:28.609	diagnosed with it. 

2017-03-11 15:27:29.605	He says you can't keep doing 

2017-03-11 15:27:31.606	this, you need to fix yourself. 

2017-03-11 15:27:31.607	>> Every day is worse and worse 

2017-03-11 15:27:38.607	and worse to the point where the 

2017-03-11 15:27:39.606	fan would blow the curtains and 

2017-03-11 15:27:40.608	he would think in his sleep -- 

2017-03-11 15:27:44.614	you would put his arm on me, 

2017-03-11 15:27:45.647	draw his gun and get ready to 

2017-03-11 15:27:46.701	shoot the dam window. 

2017-03-11 15:27:46.702	I'm like if I scare him it will 

2017-03-11 15:27:50.701	go off. 

2017-03-11 15:27:50.702	If I try to stop him it is going 

2017-03-11 15:27:54.7	to go off, if I don't try to 

2017-03-11 15:27:55.699	stop him it is going to go off. 

2017-03-11 15:27:55.7	AJ, you are asleep, that is the 

2017-03-11 15:27:59.755	fan. 

2017-03-11 15:27:59.756	You need to understand I am 

2017-03-11 15:28:02.749	right here. 

2017-03-11 15:28:02.75	You need to wake up. 

2017-03-11 15:28:04.763	You are using the wrong 

2017-03-11 15:28:08.755	resources to get better. 

2017-03-11 15:28:08.756	You're going instructive route. 

2017-03-11 15:28:11.779	-- going a destructive route. 

2017-03-11 15:28:21.773	>> would you shut her up? 

2017-03-11 15:28:31.774	>> You can't expect someone to 

2017-03-11 15:28:47.817	code war and come back the same 

2017-03-11 15:28:47.818	way they were. 

2017-03-11 15:28:47.818	It's not terrible but it's small 

2017-03-11 15:28:50.82	changes that maybe I would 

2017-03-11 15:28:53.817	notice. 

2017-03-11 15:28:55.821	>> You have to be careful what 

2017-03-11 15:29:00.861	you say and how you present 

2017-03-11 15:29:00.863	things. 

2017-03-11 15:29:00.864	That instance is gone. 

2017-03-11 15:29:03.906	If their whole way of thinking 

2017-03-11 15:29:07.952	-- their whole way of thinking

2017-03-11 15:29:12.028	is different over there. 

2017-03-11 15:29:12.028	>> We were told by a few 

2017-03-11 15:29:16.007	different people if they are 

2017-03-11 15:29:20	having a nightmare and you have 

2017-03-11 15:29:20.001	to wake them up, don't be 

2017-03-11 15:29:23.003	anywhere close to their face. 

2017-03-11 15:29:23.004	He was having a nightmare and I 

2017-03-11 15:29:29.028	touched the bottom of his foot. 

2017-03-11 15:29:30.028	I thought he was going to 

2017-03-11 15:29:34.111	startle awake, but he sat 

2017-03-11 15:29:37.11	straight up. 

2017-03-11 15:29:41.111	He jumped up and was out of 

2017-03-11 15:29:41.112	breath. 

2017-03-11 15:29:41.113	That blew my mind. 

2017-03-11 15:29:44.111	Those the first time I had ever 

2017-03-11 15:29:50.12	seen anything like that. 

2017-03-11 15:29:50.121	>> they are young guys. 

2017-03-11 15:29:54.152	They are not supposed to be 

2017-03-11 15:29:57.251	going through all this. 

2017-03-11 15:29:57.256	The brain is not quick to do 

2017-03-11 15:30:01.277	this. 

2017-03-11 15:30:01.278	To go do things like this is 

2017-03-11 15:30:06.286	really confusing for them. 

2017-03-11 15:30:06.287	>> These guys are taught to go 

2017-03-11 15:30:11.285	and kill. 

2017-03-11 15:30:11.285	They are trained to kill their 

2017-03-11 15:30:16.285	enemy. 

2017-03-11 15:30:16.286	They are taught it is good to do 

2017-03-11 15:30:22.365	that. 

2017-03-11 15:30:22.366	And they come home and they know 

2017-03-11 15:30:30.402	they are not supposed to do 

2017-03-11 15:30:31.405	those things at home. 

2017-03-11 15:30:34.402	They know right from wrong, but 

2017-03-11 15:30:38.413	that kill switches on. 

2017-03-11 15:30:38.414	Howdy you turn that off? 

2017-03-11 15:30:42.407	>> We tried to go to couples 

2017-03-11 15:30:47.408	counseling, but we just brought 

2017-03-11 15:30:51.453	up the past and how we hate each 

2017-03-11 15:30:52.452	other and there's no fixing 

2017-03-11 15:30:52.453	things. 

2017-03-11 15:30:57.5	So I left. 

2017-03-11 15:31:00.501	I have nothing. 

2017-03-11 15:31:05.504	. 

2017-03-11 15:31:05.505	I thought it wasn't going to get 

2017-03-11 15:31:11.533	worse soy -- it was going to get 

2017-03-11 15:31:16.542	worse so I thought to help with 

2017-03-11 15:31:16.543	it. 

2017-03-11 15:31:16.544	-- to Hell with it. 

2017-03-11 15:31:21.574	And I started thinking about my 

2017-03-11 15:31:28.572	daughter. 

2017-03-11 15:31:28.573	My buddy Johnson, head of budget 

2017-03-11 15:31:33.581	his pictures. 

2017-03-11 15:31:33.582	On his memorial he had this 

2017-03-11 15:31:37.577	blues picture. 

2017-03-11 15:31:37.578	It was like it was scowling at 

2017-03-11 15:31:41.574	me. 

2017-03-11 15:31:43.637	I thought to myself this is a 

2017-03-11 15:31:48.613	shady as way to repay my friend

2017-03-11 15:31:51.616	for dying for me. 

2017-03-11 15:31:51.617	I went to the hospital and 

2017-03-11 15:31:57.616	checked myself in. 

2017-03-11 15:31:57.617	Exposure therapy, it's where 

2017-03-11 15:32:05.658	they sit you down and where they 

2017-03-11 15:32:07.703	hypnotize you. 

2017-03-11 15:32:07.704	You close your eyes and then 

2017-03-11 15:32:13.703	they tell your story of a 

2017-03-11 15:32:13.704	traumatic event or whatever from 

2017-03-11 15:32:17.706	the first person as you are 

2017-03-11 15:32:17.707	doing it. 

2017-03-11 15:32:17.708	It's like the matrix. 

2017-03-11 15:32:23.753	If you think about that scene 

2017-03-11 15:32:26.759	where Neil was like I need guns, 

2017-03-11 15:32:30.755	all of a sudden the guns just 

2017-03-11 15:32:30.756	show up. 

2017-03-11 15:32:30.757	I need to be here and everything 

2017-03-11 15:32:33.758	sort of falls. 

2017-03-11 15:32:39.783	Your eyes are closed and you are 

2017-03-11 15:32:39.783	telling it. 

2017-03-11 15:32:39.784	The first couple of times I did 

2017-03-11 15:32:43.789	it, she asks where are you? 

2017-03-11 15:32:48.787	I said I'm on my base in 

2017-03-11 15:32:51.786	Afghanistan. 

2017-03-11 15:32:51.787	She says, what do you smell? 

2017-03-11 15:32:55.786	I said I smell ship. 

2017-03-11 15:32:59.846	What time is it? 

2017-03-11 15:33:02.953	>> I'm on my truck, just kicking 

2017-03-11 15:33:05.964	my boots, killing time and to my 

2017-03-11 15:33:08.953	boys wake up. 

2017-03-11 15:33:10.956	She says how do you feel? 

2017-03-11 15:33:12.956	I said I swear to God I could 

2017-03-11 15:33:16.003	see the moon. 

2017-03-11 15:33:17.004	I'm cold and I could literally 

2017-03-11 15:33:22.014	see my breath coming off it. 

2017-03-11 15:33:22.015	It's kind of cool. 

2017-03-11 15:33:25.004	Then you start getting in the 

2017-03-11 15:33:30.014	bad shape. 

2017-03-11 15:33:30.015	And that sucks. 

2017-03-11 15:33:34.034	So you're sitting there and just 

2017-03-11 15:33:39.04	telling you. 

2017-03-11 15:33:39.041	You're forced to tell the same 

2017-03-11 15:33:43.037	story over and over and over 

2017-03-11 15:33:43.038	again. 

2017-03-11 15:33:43.039	The idea is if you have a scab 

2017-03-11 15:33:51.038	and you rip it off, it hurts. 

2017-03-11 15:33:52.079	That a second time, it hurts. 

2017-03-11 15:33:56.124	Then it's not so bad. 

2017-03-11 15:33:56.125	Then it's not so bad. 

2017-03-11 15:33:58.122	Then it just doesn't hurt 

2017-03-11 15:34:01.119	anymore. 

2017-03-11 15:34:01.121	You might have a little scar, 

2017-03-11 15:34:06.14	but whatever. 

2017-03-11 15:34:06.141	It worked. 

2017-03-11 15:34:09.126	It literally saved my life. 

2017-03-11 15:34:12.122	Then Melissa left me. 

2017-03-11 15:34:17.122	Then I saw my doctor again. 

2017-03-11 15:34:23.164	I went in there and I'm telling 

2017-03-11 15:34:24.173	her that my wife just left me. 

2017-03-11 15:34:26.163	This is over. 

2017-03-11 15:34:28.163	My life is over. 

2017-03-11 15:34:32.163	And she's just smiling at me the 

2017-03-11 15:34:35.164	whole time and I look at her and 

2017-03-11 15:34:42.164	say what do you think is so 

2017-03-11 15:34:43.164	great that you have to smile 

2017-03-11 15:34:44.163	about? 

2017-03-11 15:34:44.164	And she said you don't see it 

2017-03-11 15:34:51.206	yet but you start this because 

2017-03-11 15:34:52.208	of her. 

2017-03-11 15:34:52.209	>>I said yeah, for my family. 

2017-03-11 15:34:59.258	She says she dumped you. 

2017-03-11 15:35:02.256	Were you at a far getting drunk? 

2017-03-11 15:35:09.264	No, you are coming to see me. 

2017-03-11 15:35:11.261	It just hit me. 

2017-03-11 15:35:14.263	She's right. 

2017-03-11 15:35:17.296	I start telling her all these 

2017-03-11 15:35:22.291	things that I've been running 

2017-03-11 15:35:25.298	away from. 

2017-03-11 15:35:25.299	The should I just kept bottled 

2017-03-11 15:35:27.29	up. 

2017-03-11 15:35:27.294	All of a sudden it just wasn't a 

2017-03-11 15:35:33.305	big deal anymore. 

2017-03-11 15:35:33.306	You may have a little scar, but 

2017-03-11 15:35:40.416	it's just skin. 

2017-03-11 15:35:40.417	♪

2017-03-11 15:36:10.581	[APPLAUSE] 

2017-03-11 15:36:24.628	>> we thought we would have a 

2017-03-11 15:37:24.885	bit of a conversation about

2017-03-11 15:37:26.919	[INAUDIBLE] 

2017-03-11 15:37:26.92	Nope,

2017-03-11 15:37:26.92	We wanted to talk about some of 

2017-03-11 15:37:39.937	the wonderful things that 

2017-03-11 15:37:39.938	happened and some of the things 

2017-03-11 15:37:42.922	that could be improved upon. 

2017-03-11 15:37:46.922	And our partnerships with 

2017-03-11 15:37:46.923	presenters. 

2017-03-11 15:37:46.924	We wanted to show our process 

2017-03-11 15:37:56.922	for me engagement point of view. 

2017-03-11 15:37:58.922	I consider myself part of that 

2017-03-11 15:38:05.92	fan club. 

2017-03-11 15:38:05.921	One of the things I'm finding as 

2017-03-11 15:38:11.921	I'm doing the social justice 

2017-03-11 15:38:12.922	work is there is a rare bird who 

2017-03-11 15:38:12.923	is not in the arts who really 

2017-03-11 15:38:17.923	gets the power of the arts to 

2017-03-11 15:38:18.921	impact social change. 

2017-03-11 15:38:18.923	When you meet that person you 

2017-03-11 15:38:23.923	hold onto them for dear life. 

2017-03-11 15:38:23.924	So the director of military 

2017-03-11 15:38:28.932	affairs of Kansas State and I 

2017-03-11 15:38:29.937	got on the phone when we were 

2017-03-11 15:38:30.922	talking about going to Kansas 

2017-03-11 15:38:30.923	State and we became fast 

2017-03-11 15:38:37.923	friends. 

2017-03-11 15:38:37.924	Since then he has been a 

2017-03-11 15:38:38.941	tireless advocate for Bass Track

2017-03-11 15:38:41.922	, working very closely with 

2017-03-11 15:38:46.018	presenters and giving us 

2017-03-11 15:38:47.012	tremendous fluidity within the 

2017-03-11 15:38:47.013	military community and being a 

2017-03-11 15:38:53.012	real guide for presenters to 

2017-03-11 15:38:53.013	help them connect with their 

2017-03-11 15:38:57.011	communities. 

2017-03-11 15:38:57.012	>> it was an honor to be a part 

2017-03-11 15:39:04.059	of this and still be a part of 

2017-03-11 15:39:05.062	Bass Track. 

2017-03-11 15:39:05.063	These are all novel things I 

2017-03-11 15:39:10.062	have never really done before. 

2017-03-11 15:39:10.063	There was an issue with the 

2017-03-11 15:39:16.06	final script. 

2017-03-11 15:39:16.061	Veterans demand accuracy, but a 

2017-03-11 15:39:24.09	non-veteran audience would lose 

2017-03-11 15:39:24.091	the story. 

2017-03-11 15:39:24.092	I worked with a team and tried 

2017-03-11 15:39:30.095	to broker how much accuracy and 

2017-03-11 15:39:31.091	military jargon was important

2017-03-11 15:39:34.093	without losing the audience. 

2017-03-11 15:39:34.094	I got involved in engaging in a 

2017-03-11 15:39:42.134	veterans organization as a 

2017-03-11 15:39:42.135	fellow veteran to ask them to go 

2017-03-11 15:39:44.134	to the theater and support this 

2017-03-11 15:39:47.133	work. 

2017-03-11 15:39:47.134	I got in fault in fund-raising. 

2017-03-11 15:39:50.134	-- involved in fund-raising. 

2017-03-11 15:39:53.133	I found an evidence-based 

2017-03-11 15:39:58.135	approach as to why this work is 

2017-03-11 15:39:58.136	not just art, it promotes 

2017-03-11 15:40:04.175	well-being and civic 

2017-03-11 15:40:06.177	understanding. 

2017-03-11 15:40:06.178	I provide some empirical basis 

2017-03-11 15:40:07.177	that this work is grounded in 

2017-03-11 15:40:08.176	good science. 

2017-03-11 15:40:08.176	This is some of the marketing 

2017-03-11 15:40:12.177	and promotion, outreach 

2017-03-11 15:40:15.18	programs. 

2017-03-11 15:40:15.181	I got to go to six cities and do 

2017-03-11 15:40:20.175	the talk backs on stage, got to 

2017-03-11 15:40:22.176	organize and participate. 

2017-03-11 15:40:27.178	Some of the public engagements, 

2017-03-11 15:40:27.179	particularly students in 

2017-03-11 15:40:31.22	theaters, that was very 

2017-03-11 15:40:31.221	rewarding. 

2017-03-11 15:40:31.222	Those were some of the things, a 

2017-03-11 15:40:40.239	laundry list of others I was 

2017-03-11 15:40:40.241	involved with. 

2017-03-11 15:40:40.242	I want to do this more. 

2017-03-11 15:40:44.227	>> Chris went to the 15 cities. 

2017-03-11 15:40:51.224	The actor was a different actor 

2017-03-11 15:40:55.219	and veteran. 

2017-03-11 15:40:55.22	Chris took over for him. 

2017-03-11 15:40:59.266	I would like this to be 

2017-03-11 15:41:05.326	interactive. 

2017-03-11 15:41:05.327	I'm presuming it's safe to say 

2017-03-11 15:41:10.314	everybody in here deeply cares 

2017-03-11 15:41:10.315	about the world and using the 

2017-03-11 15:41:14.314	arts for social change. 

2017-03-11 15:41:14.315	There are a lot of smart people 

2017-03-11 15:41:17.315	here and it's a lot of hard

2017-03-11 15:41:21.315	work. 

2017-03-11 15:41:21.316	It was hard for us to get 

2017-03-11 15:41:24.345	audiences. 

2017-03-11 15:41:24.346	Some places we were more 

2017-03-11 15:41:29.347	successful than others. 

2017-03-11 15:41:29.349	One of my favorite moments was 

2017-03-11 15:41:35.352	one 750 students came to Rice 

2017-03-11 15:41:38.344	Hall. 

2017-03-11 15:41:39.347	I asked how many of the students 

2017-03-11 15:41:39.348	had loved ones who had been in 

2017-03-11 15:41:44.346	the service? three quarters of 

2017-03-11 15:41:47.347	them raised their hands. 

2017-03-11 15:41:50.39	I asked how many of them have 

2017-03-11 15:41:56.394	the funds were willing to talk 

2017-03-11 15:41:56.395	about it. 

2017-03-11 15:41:57.399	Almost no one raised their 

2017-03-11 15:41:57.4	hands. 

2017-03-11 15:41:57.401	Those are the kind of moments 

2017-03-11 15:42:01.389	that keep you going. 

2017-03-11 15:42:01.39	I wanted to do a little 

2017-03-11 15:42:03.39	exercise. 

2017-03-11 15:42:03.391	And the exercises on going to 

2017-03-11 15:42:10.391	start it with the sentence that 

2017-03-11 15:42:10.392	says I wish I could, with regard 

2017-03-11 15:42:14.397	to engagement and bringing these 

2017-03-11 15:42:17.431	kinds of shows to your theaters. 

2017-03-11 15:42:19.431	I will start it and I would like 

2017-03-11 15:42:25.431	you all to continue. 

2017-03-11 15:42:25.432	For me it would be I wish I 

2017-03-11 15:42:33.431	could stage -- I wish I could 

2017-03-11 15:42:38.432	stay longer in the city to 

2017-03-11 15:42:38.433	develop relationships more 

2017-03-11 15:42:38.435	fully. 

2017-03-11 15:42:38.436	>> The fact you are able to 

2017-03-11 15:42:48.473	convey exposure therapy so well, 

2017-03-11 15:42:53.484	it is a brutal treatment. 

2017-03-11 15:42:53.485	The fact you use the matrix 

2017-03-11 15:42:57.475	analogy, we use it often with 

2017-03-11 15:43:00.473	our soldiers who stepped outside 

2017-03-11 15:43:01.476	the box and asking them to come 

2017-03-11 15:43:04.515	back in. 

2017-03-11 15:43:05.517	The metaphor is beautiful. 

2017-03-11 15:43:10.566	>> We can talk. 

2017-03-11 15:43:10.567	>> I wish I could have brought 

2017-03-11 15:43:15.575	you to Dallas Texas. 

2017-03-11 15:43:15.576	I think it was early in my 10 

2017-03-11 15:43:19.564	year and we were talking about

2017-03-11 15:43:30.613	coping Zen thing. 

2017-03-11 15:43:31.622	I think at a time they were very 

2017-03-11 15:43:37.621	transactional. 

2017-03-11 15:43:37.623	It quickly brought it down to 

2017-03-11 15:43:38.619	audience and the ability to sell 

2017-03-11 15:43:38.62	tickets. 

2017-03-11 15:43:40.618	I don't know if they ever had a 

2017-03-11 15:43:46.643	chance to talk to you about the 

2017-03-11 15:43:49.641	things you can do. 

2017-03-11 15:43:49.642	But I don't know if they were 

2017-03-11 15:43:53.663	open to it at the time. 

2017-03-11 15:43:53.665	That has since changed a little 

2017-03-11 15:43:59.688	bit. 

2017-03-11 15:43:59.689	But that is my answer. 

2017-03-11 15:44:01.724	>> I wish I could help you, Bass 

2017-03-11 15:44:07.728	Track, help us -- help them help 

2017-03-11 15:44:11.728	us all. 

2017-03-11 15:44:11.729	>> I would like to thank you for 

2017-03-11 15:44:20.727	your compliments, but I would 

2017-03-11 15:44:21.728	love to hear tactically and 

2017-03-11 15:44:21.729	strategically how one might make 

2017-03-11 15:44:25.729	a difference in terms of trying 

2017-03-11 15:44:30.728	to shake loose the tree in 

2017-03-11 15:44:31.729	little bit with trying to make 

2017-03-11 15:44:32.727	these kinds of shows happen 

2017-03-11 15:44:32.728	beyond Bass Track. 

2017-03-11 15:44:36.726	I love to show by the way, it 

2017-03-11 15:44:37.728	was beautiful. 

2017-03-11 15:44:37.729	>> On going to enter the wish 

2017-03-11 15:44:41.728	thing. 

2017-03-11 15:44:41.729	I wish I could translate better, 

2017-03-11 15:44:46.739	because a lot of this is about 

2017-03-11 15:44:47.729	translating from one field to 

2017-03-11 15:44:47.73	another field. 

2017-03-11 15:44:47.731	I think it's important not only 

2017-03-11 15:44:53.729	to have this work but these 

2017-03-11 15:44:54.774	kinds of works. 

2017-03-11 15:44:54.775	I think tactically what I'm 

2017-03-11 15:44:56.771	getting out of the feedback from 

2017-03-11 15:45:02.772	the group is we need more time 

2017-03-11 15:45:02.773	and we need to figure out ways

2017-03-11 15:45:06.77	-- what can we do, where do we 

2017-03-11 15:45:08.771	help? 

2017-03-11 15:45:08.772	Multiple trips to Atlanta,

2017-03-11 15:45:15.772	multiple bodies in the room. 

2017-03-11 15:45:17.773	Not just me, not just you. 

2017-03-11 15:45:17.774	We go as a collective to start a 

2017-03-11 15:45:21.817	conversation years before a show 

2017-03-11 15:45:26.82	ever appears. 

2017-03-11 15:45:26.821	That is something I was trying 

2017-03-11 15:45:32.867	to set up of our would love to 

2017-03-11 15:45:33.869	continue that conversation. 

2017-03-11 15:45:33.87	>> The way I got connected to 

2017-03-11 15:45:39.869	Bass Track was through kind of a 

2017-03-11 15:45:45.885	business pursuit. 

2017-03-11 15:45:45.886	It was because of something I 

2017-03-11 15:45:52.897	was developing to connect 

2017-03-11 15:45:52.898	audiences. 

2017-03-11 15:45:55.912	The thing I've learned going to 

2017-03-11 15:46:00.9	this process with them was kind 

2017-03-11 15:46:05.898	of the production source. 

2017-03-11 15:46:05.899	We look at the arts as we try to 

2017-03-11 15:46:10.9	connect to audiences. 

2017-03-11 15:46:10.901	Problem is I think we try to do 

2017-03-11 15:46:18.982	everything on the tail end. 

2017-03-11 15:46:18.983	You frontload all the cost and 

2017-03-11 15:46:22.982	the expenditures on the front 

2017-03-11 15:46:22.983	end, then you only start 

2017-03-11 15:46:27.981	reaching out at the tail end. 

2017-03-11 15:46:31.987	The problem with that is it 

2017-03-11 15:46:32.986	lends itself to a distribution 

2017-03-11 15:46:32.987	model. 

2017-03-11 15:46:32.988	We have to bring people to the 

2017-03-11 15:46:37.004	product. 

2017-03-11 15:46:37.005	AsYou can't export the product 

2017-03-11 15:46:45.024	like you do a movie. 

2017-03-11 15:46:45.025	There is so much value. 

2017-03-11 15:46:49.024	You're the first person, because 

2017-03-11 15:46:53.025	I've been trying to push this as 

2017-03-11 15:46:53.026	an idea, thank you for being 

2017-03-11 15:46:56.026	someone to say that. 

2017-03-11 15:46:56.027	There's no reason we shouldn't 

2017-03-11 15:47:00.029	be opening up this part of the 

2017-03-11 15:47:01.023	process. 

2017-03-11 15:47:01.024	Where do we find the real 

2017-03-11 15:47:07.069	long-term satisfactions? there 

2017-03-11 15:47:11.068	is value there. 

2017-03-11 15:47:11.069	Why aren't we inviting audiences 

2017-03-11 15:47:19.123	in to watch our rehearsals? 

2017-03-11 15:47:19.124	I understand safe space, I've 

2017-03-11 15:47:23.119	heard it. 

2017-03-11 15:47:23.12	But a gentleman argued we need a 

2017-03-11 15:47:31.154	space that need a safe space and 

2017-03-11 15:47:33.152	we said -- we need a safe space 

2017-03-11 15:47:36.154	and we said fuck that. 

2017-03-11 15:47:40.151	Who should be opening of the 

2017-03-11 15:47:45.152	addition process, every 

2017-03-11 15:47:45.153	opportunity. 

2017-03-11 15:47:47.151	You can start developing 

2017-03-11 15:47:49.152	interest and start developing 

2017-03-11 15:47:52.152	word-of-mouth marketing. 

2017-03-11 15:47:52.153	You can start developing an 

2017-03-11 15:47:55.156	audience even before there is a 

2017-03-11 15:47:56.195	product. 

2017-03-11 15:47:59.235	They will see what you're doing 

2017-03-11 15:48:01.235	bring it in there. 

2017-03-11 15:48:01.236	This is the part I hate to say 

2017-03-11 15:48:08.237	the finesse artists and the 

2017-03-11 15:48:10.237	simple fact is if you have the 

2017-03-11 15:48:14.236	end of the show, I know you are 

2017-03-11 15:48:14.238	waste it, I know it is that of 

2017-03-11 15:48:16.236	the exhaust. 

2017-03-11 15:48:17.235	Life of a show to affect like 

2017-03-11 15:48:23.279	this? you have to be willing to

2017-03-11 15:48:27.368	talk about the emotion you left 

2017-03-11 15:48:29.376	gunshot on the floor before my 

2017-03-11 15:48:33.372	not get it, the fair. 

2017-03-11 15:48:35.372	Not once did have a talk back 

2017-03-11 15:48:40.403	Russian that Peter doubt 

2017-03-11 15:48:42.405	naturally. 

2017-03-11 15:48:42.406	We had to shut out every top fax 

2017-03-11 15:48:46.412	session because everyone was so 

2017-03-11 15:48:49.404	engaged in wanting to talk about 

2017-03-11 15:48:49.405	it. 

2017-03-11 15:48:49.406	I can't ever talk to Brad Pitt 

2017-03-11 15:48:55.446	or Samuel L Jackson and ask what 

2017-03-11 15:48:57.445	it is like making that movie. 

2017-03-11 15:49:00.444	We can do that and we have to 

2017-03-11 15:49:02.448	let them do that. 

2017-03-11 15:49:02.449	>> We talked about the purpose 

2017-03-11 15:49:07.446	of presenting veterans. 

2017-03-11 15:49:07.447	Here is just a quick list of the 

2017-03-11 15:49:11.457	issues in Bass Track that we 

2017-03-11 15:49:15.446	brought into the discussion 

2017-03-11 15:49:16.448	community. 

2017-03-11 15:49:16.449	Ages decision to and the 

2017-03-11 15:49:19.488	military. 

2017-03-11 15:49:19.489	Re-socialization and 

2017-03-11 15:49:24.486	institutionalization into the 

2017-03-11 15:49:24.487	unique social culture of the 

2017-03-11 15:49:27.488	military. 

2017-03-11 15:49:27.49	Bombing with his peers -- 

2017-03-11 15:49:33.488	bonding with his peers. 

2017-03-11 15:49:33.488	We see a temporary social 

2017-03-11 15:49:39.505	network culture because of 

2017-03-11 15:49:43.53	Facebook and social media on the 

2017-03-11 15:49:45.533	battle. 

2017-03-11 15:49:45.534	Ages experience in actual modern 

2017-03-11 15:49:50.531	combat is a new Way of war, 

2017-03-11 15:49:56.541	living through loss and 

2017-03-11 15:49:56.542	reporting of loss through 

2017-03-11 15:49:56.543	comrades -- loss of comrades. 

2017-03-11 15:50:00.531	Psychological impacts of rapid 

2017-03-11 15:50:05.534	archer from the unit, 

2017-03-11 15:50:06.532	life-changing transitions after 

2017-03-11 15:50:06.533	being invested and identified. 

2017-03-11 15:50:08.574	Issue personal path of untreated 

2017-03-11 15:50:15.621	PTSD. 

2017-03-11 15:50:15.622	Those were the issues that came 

2017-03-11 15:50:21.622	out mostly from the audience, 

2017-03-11 15:50:25.673	there were dressed beautifully. 

2017-03-11 15:50:28.672	>> >> We had an amazing -- >> We 

2017-03-11 15:50:41.741	had an amazing experience. 

2017-03-11 15:50:41.742	We in the presenting field can 

2017-03-11 15:50:47.742	lend credibility to your work, 

2017-03-11 15:50:47.743	to all this work to say not only 

2017-03-11 15:50:53.75	is it important in engaging and 

2017-03-11 15:50:53.751	connecting our communities, but 

2017-03-11 15:50:57.743	it is just plain great theater. 

2017-03-11 15:50:57.744	I think more people will take a 

2017-03-11 15:51:01.744	chance. 

2017-03-11 15:51:01.745	>> I want to answer the 

2017-03-11 15:51:11.787	question, I wish we could. 

2017-03-11 15:51:11.788	I'm a teacher and I work in 

2017-03-11 15:51:15.785	higher education. 

2017-03-11 15:51:15.786	I know many of the presenters 

2017-03-11 15:51:18.784	are affiliated with institutions 

2017-03-11 15:51:21.795	of higher education. 

2017-03-11 15:51:21.796	I wish we could integrate the 

2017-03-11 15:51:26.785	arts into the educational 

2017-03-11 15:51:26.787	experience holistically. 

2017-03-11 15:51:28.787	So that art is not this

2017-03-11 15:51:33.826	pedestal, it is not as weird 

2017-03-11 15:51:36.825	thing that the artsy students do

2017-03-11 15:51:40.825	, it is part of your overall 

2017-03-11 15:51:42.827	educational experience. 

2017-03-11 15:51:45.827	We were really inspired by what 

2017-03-11 15:51:50.829	happened at the University of 

2017-03-11 15:51:50.83	Florida. 

2017-03-11 15:51:50.831	As any said, we had determined 

2017-03-11 15:51:53.827	his fortune of ringing in

2017-03-11 15:51:57.874	hundreds of death of bringing in 

2017-03-11 15:52:01.875	-- fortune of bringing in 

2017-03-11 15:52:06.873	hundreds of graduates. 

2017-03-11 15:52:06.875	This program that allows 

2017-03-11 15:52:11.928	freshmen to -- it asks these big 

2017-03-11 15:52:15.926	questions about what am I doing 

2017-03-11 15:52:16.933	with my life and what is the 

2017-03-11 15:52:16.934	good life? 

2017-03-11 15:52:16.934	I find that really inspiring not 

2017-03-11 15:52:20.927	only because students are asking

2017-03-11 15:52:23.932	big questions at a young age, 

2017-03-11 15:52:27.95	and some include veterans who 

2017-03-11 15:52:28.953	are coming into the University 

2017-03-11 15:52:28.955	system after their service. 

2017-03-11 15:52:32.956	The fact that the arts was just 

2017-03-11 15:52:36.958	part of that course and it was 

2017-03-11 15:52:41.975	casually integrated into that 

2017-03-11 15:52:41.976	curriculum, I find it incredibly 

2017-03-11 15:52:44.964	inspiring. 

2017-03-11 15:52:44.965	I think bringing more folks into 

2017-03-11 15:52:49.999	work like this is embedded more 

2017-03-11 15:52:50.996	carefully and deeply into 

2017-03-11 15:52:54.995	educational programming and 

2017-03-11 15:52:55.997	academic programming. 

2017-03-11 15:52:55.998	>> I do want to say one thing. 

2017-03-11 15:53:02.996	Michael Bletchley told me the 

2017-03-11 15:53:05.997	reason he was able to do this

2017-03-11 15:53:12.997	program is because he was 

2017-03-11 15:53:14.049	supported by the highest 

2017-03-11 15:53:14.05	echelons of the school. 

2017-03-11 15:53:14.051	It was the president of the 

2017-03-11 15:53:18.039	school who signed on for this. 

2017-03-11 15:53:18.04	>> I want to echo a lot of what 

2017-03-11 15:53:26.038	you have been saying. 

2017-03-11 15:53:26.039	A lot of our audiences say why 

2017-03-11 15:53:33.039	isn't everybody seeing this? we 

2017-03-11 15:53:37.04	have good audiences and in some 

2017-03-11 15:53:38.041	places we don't and mediocre 

2017-03-11 15:53:40.079	audiences in other places. 

2017-03-11 15:53:40.08	The places we have the most 

2017-03-11 15:53:42.128	success is where we went to 

2017-03-11 15:53:47.128	Stanford University and had a 

2017-03-11 15:53:47.129	similar engagement with a 

2017-03-11 15:53:47.13	freshmen class that was an arts 

2017-03-11 15:53:50.129	and immersion class. 

2017-03-11 15:53:50.13	They broaden students from every 

2017-03-11 15:53:54.13	discipline to experience the 

2017-03-11 15:53:56.176	arts. 

2017-03-11 15:53:56.177	They took diversity of classes 

2017-03-11 15:54:02.176	together and it was all centered 

2017-03-11 15:54:02.177	around the arts. 

2017-03-11 15:54:02.179	We did a workshop in the morning 

2017-03-11 15:54:09.178	and they wanted to come and see 

2017-03-11 15:54:09.179	the performance. 

2017-03-11 15:54:09.18	I wish more presenters would 

2017-03-11 15:54:15.206	help us with the legwork to get 

2017-03-11 15:54:16.208	those things happening in order 

2017-03-11 15:54:20.208	to bring more people to see the 

2017-03-11 15:54:20.209	work. 

2017-03-11 15:54:20.21	>> This is my first gig at this 

2017-03-11 15:54:25.205	level, I find out you have to 

2017-03-11 15:54:28.207	rely on the venues when you are 

2017-03-11 15:54:32.249	touring to do that. 

2017-03-11 15:54:34.29	>> I'm curious, how many 

2017-03-11 15:54:41.293	presenters are in the room? 

2017-03-11 15:54:41.293	And how many of you feel like 

2017-03-11 15:54:47.293	you have the time and resources 

2017-03-11 15:54:49.293	to do the advanced legwork you 

2017-03-11 15:54:50.295	need to do for these kinds of 

2017-03-11 15:54:50.296	shows?

2017-03-11 15:54:56.293	>> this is Liz, can't I speak to 

2017-03-11 15:54:57.292	this for just a minute? I want 

2017-03-11 15:55:02.292	to respond to your articulation 

2017-03-11 15:55:03.292	of process as being an 

2017-03-11 15:55:03.293	engagement necessity. 

2017-03-11 15:55:07.292	It's what I was attempting to 

2017-03-11 15:55:10.301	say yesterday but I have a 

2017-03-11 15:55:13.293	slight cautionary tale here. 

2017-03-11 15:55:13.294	And that is if you truly for the 

2017-03-11 15:55:16.293	hierarchy you cannot privilege 

2017-03-11 15:55:21.304	the performance to the 

2017-03-11 15:55:22.295	engagement activities that are 

2017-03-11 15:55:22.296	taking place. 

2017-03-11 15:55:22.298	What we want to understand is 

2017-03-11 15:55:27.308	you to the engagement because 

2017-03-11 15:55:29.293	art matters. 

2017-03-11 15:55:29.294	Because these stories matter and 

2017-03-11 15:55:35.294	connecting to my neighborhood 

2017-03-11 15:55:35.295	school matters. 

2017-03-11 15:55:37.292	Working alongside people like 

2017-03-11 15:55:45.297	the other presenters here, this 

2017-03-11 15:55:45.298	may account -- this may 

2017-03-11 15:55:47.296	accumulate to an audience. 

2017-03-11 15:55:51.338	It's not because they haven't 

2017-03-11 15:55:56.381	gone to know us comment because 

2017-03-11 15:55:56.382	something happened. 

2017-03-11 15:55:57.427	And yes because these are in the 

2017-03-11 15:56:01.427	amazing programs. 

2017-03-11 15:56:03.43	If we make it be about that, 

2017-03-11 15:56:13.431	there is a slight feel of 

2017-03-11 15:56:14.461	exportation. 

2017-03-11 15:56:14.462	There is something that is often 

2017-03-11 15:56:20.509	is not entirely there. 

2017-03-11 15:56:20.51	I have done engagement work my 

2017-03-11 15:56:26.502	entire life. 

2017-03-11 15:56:26.503	I only know this to my 

2017-03-11 15:56:27.504	experience and the times I 

2017-03-11 15:56:28.505	didn't do that. 

2017-03-11 15:56:28.506	I'm not sure about that. 

2017-03-11 15:56:34.505	>> I don't think I pick up where 

2017-03-11 15:56:41.546	you are laying down to >> it 

2017-03-11 15:56:46.588	can't and will touring 

2017-03-11 15:56:46.589	engagements of the people will 

2017-03-11 15:56:47.589	come see us when we come back 

2017-03-11 15:56:49.587	and read big shows. 

2017-03-11 15:56:50.587	>> No, you do it because -- it 

2017-03-11 15:56:58.589	is a fantastic video. 

2017-03-11 15:56:58.59	You don't; to get people here, 

2017-03-11 15:57:03.59	the place has to come in. 

2017-03-11 15:57:06.588	>> as he them better? 

2017-03-11 15:57:12.63	>> it is a street to -- >> it is 

2017-03-11 15:57:20.63	definitely a two way street. 

2017-03-11 15:57:22.637	Filling seats as a side effect. 

2017-03-11 15:57:23.632	You don't hope you make money. 

2017-03-11 15:57:24.63	>> I'm not sure I agree with 

2017-03-11 15:57:29.683	either of you totally. 

2017-03-11 15:57:29.684	With all due respect because I 

2017-03-11 15:57:35.681	think you do beautiful work. 

2017-03-11 15:57:35.682	I'm an artist, I'm not a social 

2017-03-11 15:57:41.699	worker. 

2017-03-11 15:57:41.7	I'm not an expert, not a 

2017-03-11 15:57:46.729	military expert. 

2017-03-11 15:57:46.73	The way I have chosen to reach 

2017-03-11 15:57:50.733	out and impact the world is 

2017-03-11 15:57:50.734	through my work. 

2017-03-11 15:57:50.735	This pieces comprised of a 

2017-03-11 15:57:58.733	verbatim text. 

2017-03-11 15:57:58.734	I have worked with presenters 

2017-03-11 15:58:03.757	successfully as possible and 

2017-03-11 15:58:03.758	trying to engage the community. 

2017-03-11 15:58:05.84	And where the presenters have 

2017-03-11 15:58:11.84	more funding and staffing, they 

2017-03-11 15:58:16.842	can create ongoing programs. 

2017-03-11 15:58:18.841	The work is what I give to my 

2017-03-11 15:58:28.882	audience and hopefully working 

2017-03-11 15:58:31.937	with people through art, and 

2017-03-11 15:58:37.984	hopefully with the presenters 

2017-03-11 15:58:37.985	being so successful, givers of 

2017-03-11 15:58:40.985	that work, host of that work it 

2017-03-11 15:58:45.981	can be a meaningful experience. 

2017-03-11 15:58:45.983	>> I'm going to take us off 

2017-03-11 15:58:57.053	track. 

2017-03-11 15:58:57.054	I wanted to talk to the rap 

2017-03-11 15:59:03.053	artist behind the table. 

2017-03-11 15:59:04.051	You are such a bad sddass. 

2017-03-11 15:59:10.051	That was awesome. 

2017-03-11 15:59:13.053	I wanted to adjust the comment 

2017-03-11 15:59:15.052	you made about bringing art back 

2017-03-11 15:59:15.06	to school. 

2017-03-11 15:59:15.061	I feel strongly about that 

2017-03-11 15:59:19.053	comment partially because I have 

2017-03-11 15:59:23.095	six children and I have seen 

2017-03-11 15:59:23.096	along the way. 

2017-03-11 15:59:27.094	Just the idea of bringing it 

2017-03-11 15:59:32.096	back in, we have yoga 

2017-03-11 15:59:37.095	therapists. 

2017-03-11 15:59:37.096	One of the key things they do is 

2017-03-11 15:59:37.097	work with the breath. 

2017-03-11 15:59:42.104	They don't bring the breath in. 

2017-03-11 15:59:43.095	They acknowledged the breath 

2017-03-11 15:59:43.096	that is already there. 

2017-03-11 15:59:47.095	I feel it art is the same thing. 

2017-03-11 15:59:47.096	You just need to acknowledge it. 

2017-03-11 15:59:52.097	>> This is going

2017-03-11 15:59:59.51	>> yes, I would like to send the 

2017-03-11 16:00:06.514	educational component and 

2017-03-11 16:00:07.513	resource component, has there 

2017-03-11 16:00:08.513	been any thought of possibly 

2017-03-11 16:00:10.515	putting together a virtual 

2017-03-11 16:00:10.516	production? 

2017-03-11 16:00:12.513	>> we see this as a multimedia 

2017-03-11 16:00:16.54	work, but it is a live 

2017-03-11 16:00:20.54	performance. 

2017-03-11 16:00:24.54	This is the intention of the 

2017-03-11 16:00:24.541	work. 

2017-03-11 16:00:24.542	For me, this piece at least, at 

2017-03-11 16:00:29.581	its heart is a theater work, and 

2017-03-11 16:00:34.583	what I mean by that is that is 

2017-03-11 16:00:38.582	simply about human beings 

2017-03-11 16:00:38.583	together in a room hearing a 

2017-03-11 16:00:39.607	story told by other human

2017-03-11 16:00:41.582	beings, so for me the human 

2017-03-11 16:00:42.581	element as it were cannot be 

2017-03-11 16:00:45.582	reduced away. 

2017-03-11 16:00:45.583	That is my take as a theater 

2017-03-11 16:00:48.583	artist. 

2017-03-11 16:00:48.584	I feel that life music and life 

2017-03-11 16:00:51.584	acting is essential. 

2017-03-11 16:00:53.582	Yeah. 

2017-03-11 16:00:55.583	>> I would just like to conclude

2017-03-11 16:01:01.583	by thanking everyone who 

2017-03-11 16:01:01.585	participated and to say at the 

2017-03-11 16:01:06.585	center of this work and every 

2017-03-11 16:01:06.586	work I do is about crossing the 

2017-03-11 16:01:08.582	divide and trying to get out of 

2017-03-11 16:01:12.583	the echo chamber so much of our 

2017-03-11 16:01:14.584	work is in. 

2017-03-11 16:01:17.584	I went to a mental health 

2017-03-11 16:01:23.715	conference and ask the room how 

2017-03-11 16:01:26.792	many had heard of documentary 

2017-03-11 16:01:26.793	theater, and not one person 

2017-03-11 16:01:29.793	raised their hand. 

2017-03-11 16:01:29.795	To me, that is the greatest 

2017-03-11 16:01:32.794	urgency, how to jump the fence 

2017-03-11 16:01:35.793	and reach across the divide. 

2017-03-11 16:01:36.792	I hope we can also pour one 

2017-03-11 16:01:40.795	another in trying to do that in 

2017-03-11 16:01:40.796	our own way. 

2017-03-11 16:01:40.797	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 16:01:42.792	And

2017-03-11 16:01:42.792	>> everyone could take their 

2017-03-11 16:19:11.842	seats. 

2017-03-11 16:19:12.837	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 16:19:14.838	>> this is the last of these 

2017-03-11 16:19:22.838	fishbowl tables. 

2017-03-11 16:19:25.838	Before we end this whole 

2017-03-11 16:19:31.838	process, I want to do one 

2017-03-11 16:19:32.838	embarrassing thing, and that is 

2017-03-11 16:19:32.838	to say very specifically, thank 

2017-03-11 16:19:36.838	you Jamie for making sure we got

2017-03-11 16:19:40.839	where we needed to be. 

2017-03-11 16:19:40.84	[APPLAUSE] 

2017-03-11 16:19:41.839	>> that way we were sitting

2017-03-11 16:19:47.837	where we were sitting and we 

2017-03-11 16:19:48.837	knew what we're doing when we 

2017-03-11 16:19:50.838	got there. 

2017-03-11 16:19:50.839	Thank you very much. 

2017-03-11 16:19:50.84	Alright, so this is the last of 

2017-03-11 16:19:55.84	these tables, and we have and 

2017-03-11 16:19:58.851	listening for the better part of 

2017-03-11 16:19:59.84	a day and a half now to this 

2017-03-11 16:20:04.839	conversation, and I just want to 

2017-03-11 16:20:04.84	encourage everyone on the 

2017-03-11 16:20:07.885	listening circle to take their 

2017-03-11 16:20:07.886	seats. 

2017-03-11 16:20:07.887	I will call out Bill O'Brien on 

2017-03-11 16:20:14.885	livestream. 

2017-03-11 16:20:15.885	I can do that. 

2017-03-11 16:20:21.886	Bill knows too much about me. 

2017-03-11 16:20:21.887	So, thank you everybody. 

2017-03-11 16:20:25.935	So we are going to very quickly 

2017-03-11 16:20:29.936	go around. 

2017-03-11 16:20:33.936	This table is all folks who are 

2017-03-11 16:20:35.935	in part of this conversation 

2017-03-11 16:20:38.937	about the presentation of their 

2017-03-11 16:20:38.938	work, and so we will go around 

2017-03-11 16:20:41.964	and do our names, organizational 

2017-03-11 16:20:44.967	affiliation, then name a project 

2017-03-11 16:20:48.966	we are involved with, have in 

2017-03-11 16:20:49.965	involved with, that relates to 

2017-03-11 16:20:53.967	the topic of these days. 

2017-03-11 16:20:53.968	For a couple of people, there is 

2017-03-11 16:20:56.966	not a project to be named, and 

2017-03-11 16:21:00.967	that is the part of the 

2017-03-11 16:21:00.968	conversation we are having. 

2017-03-11 16:21:00.97	We will do 45 minutes at the 

2017-03-11 16:21:04.051	table, then moved to the larger

2017-03-11 16:21:09.107	-- if some

2017-03-11 16:21:09.107	 if some of the conversation 

2017-03-11 16:21:20.07	has not surfaced here, we will 

2017-03-11 16:21:20.071	take it there. 

2017-03-11 16:21:20.071	This is a huge area, and Michael 

2017-03-11 16:21:21.092	is to get as many of the themes 

2017-03-11 16:21:21.093	and discussion topics on the 

2017-03-11 16:21:22.093	table as possible so that when 

2017-03-11 16:21:22.095	we moved to the larger group, we 

2017-03-11 16:21:24.092	are looking at as much as, and 

2017-03-11 16:21:28.138	can practice. 

2017-03-11 16:21:28.139	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 16:21:31.138	Let's go ahead and start in this 

2017-03-11 16:21:31.139	direction. 

2017-03-11 16:21:31.141	>> I am Madeline Bell at the 

2017-03-11 16:21:39.218	Flynn Center. 

2017-03-11 16:21:39.219	We presented axis dance company. 

2017-03-11 16:21:42.219	-- access dance company. 

2017-03-11 16:21:48.219	>> I am Ruth. 

2017-03-11 16:21:55.222	We did a series of performances 

2017-03-11 16:21:58.263	in the spring of 2015. 

2017-03-11 16:21:59.261	>> I am Robert Richter, and 

2017-03-11 16:22:08.301	we have not engaged in a project 

2017-03-11 16:22:08.303	in this area. 

2017-03-11 16:22:08.304	>> I am Colleen 

2017-03-11 16:22:10.301	Jennings-Roggensack. 

2017-03-11 16:22:12.303	Of the many programs we have 

2017-03-11 16:22:15.302	done, veterans holding it down, 

2017-03-11 16:22:20.303	of veterans dream project. 

2017-03-11 16:22:20.304	>> great. 

2017-03-11 16:22:24.303	Thank you. 

2017-03-11 16:22:24.304	>> I am Michael Reed. 

2017-03-11 16:22:26.345	I'm the director of programs. 

2017-03-11 16:22:30.388	Carpetbag theater, speed killed 

2017-03-11 16:22:35.388	my cousin, this fall we 

2017-03-11 16:22:37.389	presented. 

2017-03-11 16:22:37.39	>> I am Carla Peterson. 

2017-03-11 16:22:41.387	I also want to say I was for 25 

2017-03-11 16:22:50.438	years basically in presenting. 

2017-03-11 16:22:54.439	In spite of that, I'm going to 

2017-03-11 16:22:56.439	say I have not been involved in 

2017-03-11 16:22:56.44	a project like this. 

2017-03-11 16:22:57.439	However, I inherited a beautiful 

2017-03-11 16:23:02.471	project, healing wars. 

2017-03-11 16:23:03.471	I came in her second presidency 

2017-03-11 16:23:09.472	after three trip she and her 

2017-03-11 16:23:09.473	company made. 

2017-03-11 16:23:09.474	>> I am Ty Furman. 

2017-03-11 16:23:14.498	Last spring, he had a theater in 

2017-03-11 16:23:21.488	residence, and does a piece of 

2017-03-11 16:23:23.514	that, we presented an original 

2017-03-11 16:23:24.514	new piece and the style of the 

2017-03-11 16:23:27.554	Japanese war your play. 

2017-03-11 16:23:27.555	It was written by one of our 

2017-03-11 16:23:31.56	faculty members about her 

2017-03-11 16:23:31.561	experience with her and her 

2017-03-11 16:23:33.555	husband, who was a fighter 

2017-03-11 16:23:35.558	pilot. 

2017-03-11 16:23:35.559	>> so, Clyde Valentin, Southern 

2017-03-11 16:23:44.558	Methodist University school of 

2017-03-11 16:23:44.559	arts. 

2017-03-11 16:23:44.56	The project, it is not a 

2017-03-11 16:23:47.555	straight theater project or 

2017-03-11 16:23:50.557	multidisciplined project, but an 

2017-03-11 16:23:51.556	 initiative of our 

2017-03-11 16:23:58.599	innovation Lab. 

2017-03-11 16:23:58.6	We have 34 members as part of 

2017-03-11 16:23:59.597	the lab. 

2017-03-11 16:23:59.598	One is farmers assisting 

2017-03-11 16:24:03.598	returning military. 

2017-03-11 16:24:03.599	Within that group, we have 

2017-03-11 16:24:07.599	producers, policy people, 

2017-03-11 16:24:11.599	artists, educators, and health 

2017-03-11 16:24:17.602	care workers. 

2017-03-11 16:24:17.606	So I just want to throw that 

2017-03-11 16:24:20.6	into the room. 

2017-03-11 16:24:20.601	>> I am Margaret Lawrence. 

2017-03-11 16:24:25.64	We have done a number of these 

2017-03-11 16:24:29.641	projects, but the one I'm hoping 

2017-03-11 16:24:31.641	to talk about is one where we 

2017-03-11 16:24:32.642	are trying to have an ongoing 

2017-03-11 16:24:35.643	institutionalized partnership, 

2017-03-11 16:24:37.641	so I will call it the community 

2017-03-11 16:24:38.643	venture initiative. 

2017-03-11 16:24:38.644	>> great. 

2017-03-11 16:24:41.642	Thank you for that. 

2017-03-11 16:24:41.643	Keeping with this earlier theme 

2017-03-11 16:24:44.643	of honor ability and the areas 

2017-03-11 16:24:46.642	where we are not expert, I want 

2017-03-11 16:24:49.644	to start with Rob and Carla. 

2017-03-11 16:24:52.691	What are the things that are 

2017-03-11 16:24:57.693	resonating for you to draw you 

2017-03-11 16:24:57.694	closer to wanting to engage the 

2017-03-11 16:25:00.692	work, and one of the things that 

2017-03-11 16:25:02.692	challenge you most deeply as you 

2017-03-11 16:25:02.693	think about it? 

2017-03-11 16:25:02.694	>> I will start. 

2017-03-11 16:25:04.743	I had a desire to do this, some 

2017-03-11 16:25:09.741	of this work. 

2017-03-11 16:25:10.741	I saw an early version of 

2017-03-11 16:25:13.761	Basetrack and was very engaged 

2017-03-11 16:25:16.743	in very interested. 

2017-03-11 16:25:16.744	I am in a military community, a 

2017-03-11 16:25:21.769	naval community. 

2017-03-11 16:25:21.77	And come up but I don't want to 

2017-03-11 16:25:28.81	do a one off. 

2017-03-11 16:25:28.811	I want to have some continuity 

2017-03-11 16:25:32.81	within the community. 

2017-03-11 16:25:36.811	We are a small program. 

2017-03-11 16:25:36.812	We percent of very diverse 

2017-03-11 16:25:39.811	program, but it is me. 

2017-03-11 16:25:43.813	It is me doing, creating the 

2017-03-11 16:25:46.814	engagement, choosing the artists

2017-03-11 16:25:51.895	, picking them up at the hotel. 

2017-03-11 16:25:51.896	So, developing the marketing 

2017-03-11 16:25:56.896	plan, so, so that capacity to 

2017-03-11 16:25:59.895	really engage that community, 

2017-03-11 16:26:04.897	and a variety of different 

2017-03-11 16:26:06.896	communities come in the way I 

2017-03-11 16:26:06.897	think it needs to be engaged and 

2017-03-11 16:26:07.896	to have a continuity. 

2017-03-11 16:26:11.898	It's not just we did that this 

2017-03-11 16:26:16.897	year, and 10 years later we do 

2017-03-11 16:26:16.899	something else. 

2017-03-11 16:26:16.9	To me, that is a disservice to 

2017-03-11 16:26:21.943	the community, to the work, to 

2017-03-11 16:26:22.944	so many things. 

2017-03-11 16:26:22.945	But I am finding ways, and even 

2017-03-11 16:26:28.946	when I was asked, when Jane 

2017-03-11 16:26:33.992	contacted me to come. 

2017-03-11 16:26:34.993	I said, all right, in what 

2017-03-11 16:26:37.994	capacity? 

2017-03-11 16:26:38.529	I am a presenter. 

2017-03-11 16:26:38.53	I am an advisor to the national 

2017-03-11 16:26:40.996	theater project. 

2017-03-11 16:26:40.997	I am on the board of the 

2017-03-11 16:26:44.995	regional cultural coalition in 

2017-03-11 16:26:44.996	working with military 

2017-03-11 16:26:46.994	communities in that way and she 

2017-03-11 16:26:49.024	said, well, all. 

2017-03-11 16:26:51.022	I said as long as I know how 

2017-03-11 16:26:54.023	many hats to bring. 

2017-03-11 16:26:55.024	So I am beginning to see ways 

2017-03-11 16:27:01.023	throughout cultural coalition 

2017-03-11 16:27:03.023	and contacts. 

2017-03-11 16:27:03.024	Somebody else on the board is 

2017-03-11 16:27:07.024	with the office of military 

2017-03-11 16:27:07.025	affairs, so I'm beginning to 

2017-03-11 16:27:10.025	make those contacts. 

2017-03-11 16:27:10.026	So it has been great to hear of 

2017-03-11 16:27:18.063	the various projects and 

2017-03-11 16:27:20.064	techniques and things, and also 

2017-03-11 16:27:22.084	confirming for myself that the 

2017-03-11 16:27:25.066	continuity is important. 

2017-03-11 16:27:25.067	>> Carla? 

2017-03-11 16:27:27.066	>> just a couple of different 

2017-03-11 16:27:31.066	reasons why I think I am 

2017-03-11 16:27:32.071	interested. 

2017-03-11 16:27:32.072	I am not a present or. 

2017-03-11 16:27:38.065	or. 

2017-03-11 16:27:42.066	I am someone who supports the 

2017-03-11 16:27:45.066	development of work. 

2017-03-11 16:27:45.068	I have been in the field for a 

2017-03-11 16:27:50.066	long time and watch history 

2017-03-11 16:27:52.065	change politically,

2017-03-11 16:27:55.067	historically, socially, 

2017-03-11 16:27:55.069	culturally, but in terms of 

2017-03-11 16:27:56.066	being here now and what is 

2017-03-11 16:27:57.067	happening in this country, and 

2017-03-11 16:27:58.154	is not the only good reason one 

2017-03-11 16:28:01.066	should engage with this, but it 

2017-03-11 16:28:04.067	is, and I know we are always 

2017-03-11 16:28:04.068	talking about this, what we are 

2017-03-11 16:28:08.068	doing here is not political, but 

2017-03-11 16:28:09.067	it is political for me, and that 

2017-03-11 16:28:12.067	is while this is going on, in 

2017-03-11 16:28:15.109	addition to making phone calls

2017-03-11 16:28:18.15	to your congressperson, what can 

2017-03-11 16:28:19.151	you do in the field in which you 

2017-03-11 16:28:19.152	work in terms of art and the 

2017-03-11 16:28:23.154	making of art and bringing art

2017-03-11 16:28:28.152	and audiences somehow or another 

2017-03-11 16:28:29.153	together in meaningful ways. 

2017-03-11 16:28:30.152	This seems like an absolute 

2017-03-11 16:28:33.196	necessity to get connected to. 

2017-03-11 16:28:38.25	And also because being in the 

2017-03-11 16:28:39.277	field for a long time, it is a 

2017-03-11 16:28:42.321	gift to work in this field, and 

2017-03-11 16:28:45.446	I have had such an opportunity 

2017-03-11 16:28:46.448	to engage in so many different 

2017-03-11 16:28:46.45	kinds of things, but not this. 

2017-03-11 16:28:48.449	I have never been in a room like 

2017-03-11 16:28:52.497	this. 

2017-03-11 16:28:52.498	I did it again. 

2017-03-11 16:28:52.499	I have never, ever been in a 

2017-03-11 16:28:55.498	room like this, and I'm trying 

2017-03-11 16:28:58.496	to rock my brains whether I've 

2017-03-11 16:29:02.499	actually sat down and had a 

2017-03-11 16:29:02.5	meaningful conversation with the 

2017-03-11 16:29:02.501	vet. 

2017-03-11 16:29:03.496	It has not been part of my 

2017-03-11 16:29:07.498	universe, and it seems that that 

2017-03-11 16:29:11.572	is the thing I need to do. 

2017-03-11 16:29:11.573	In terms of how to do it, again, 

2017-03-11 16:29:16.57	I am not a presenter. 

2017-03-11 16:29:19.571	I have two underscore which are 

2017-03-11 16:29:20.572	are saying in terms of what you 

2017-03-11 16:29:23.571	are saying and knowing other 

2017-03-11 16:29:25.615	community engagement work. 

2017-03-11 16:29:29.615	The capacity is about time, 

2017-03-11 16:29:30.615	building trust. 

2017-03-11 16:29:30.616	You cannot just go in and out. 

2017-03-11 16:29:35.626	And how to do that while still 

2017-03-11 16:29:37.615	dealing with the work I'm 

2017-03-11 16:29:37.616	supposed to be doing, the reason 

2017-03-11 16:29:41.654	I got hired supposedly for the 

2017-03-11 16:29:41.655	position I am running, so it has 

2017-03-11 16:29:44.655	to do with that, but I also want 

2017-03-11 16:29:46.655	to say that maybe there is a way

2017-03-11 16:29:50.656	, and that is I do have a 

2017-03-11 16:29:50.657	resource. 

2017-03-11 16:29:50.658	I think the way Jennifer, my 

2017-03-11 16:29:54.656	predecessor, worked with Liz 

2017-03-11 16:29:56.655	Lerman in identifying how to 

2017-03-11 16:30:00.656	bring members of the community 

2017-03-11 16:30:01.657	and

2017-03-11 16:30:01.657	vets and family 

2017-03-11 16:30:07.657	members in the process. 

2017-03-11 16:30:11.749	She can talk about all of this 

2017-03-11 16:30:13.747	and much more detail and more 

2017-03-11 16:30:13.747	accurately than I can come of it 

2017-03-11 16:30:17.749	having to more residency so 

2017-03-11 16:30:18.796	there was still time to beat in 

2017-03-11 16:30:22.797	that community as opposed to 

2017-03-11 16:30:23.799	somebody coming in and out. 

2017-03-11 16:30:23.8	That is something I can't in 

2017-03-11 16:30:25.812	view -- I can do. 

2017-03-11 16:30:27.799	>> I want to answer that 

2017-03-11 16:30:30.799	question too. 

2017-03-11 16:30:31.798	We are a young center, two years 

2017-03-11 16:30:36.866	old, and we don't have a long 

2017-03-11 16:30:37.909	history of presenting. 

2017-03-11 16:30:37.91	When I came in, I had a series 

2017-03-11 16:30:41.949	of themes that I wanted to 

2017-03-11 16:30:42.948	tackle, food being one of them, 

2017-03-11 16:30:46.963	which is why this project is 

2017-03-11 16:30:49.952	coming to fortune. 

2017-03-11 16:30:49.953	The military was not one of 

2017-03-11 16:30:51.952	them. 

2017-03-11 16:30:51.953	And I think that was for a lot 

2017-03-11 16:30:55.949	of reasons. 

2017-03-11 16:30:56.98	We touched on some of those 

2017-03-11 16:30:58.949	earlier today, the conflicting 

2017-03-11 16:31:00.949	nature of even our anthem. 

2017-03-11 16:31:03.998	At the same time, that we begin 

2017-03-11 16:31:07.998	to relocate to Dallas, Texas, 

2017-03-11 16:31:14.047	the closest I have to a son was 

2017-03-11 16:31:15.048	my young brother and we helped 

2017-03-11 16:31:18.048	to raise him. 

2017-03-11 16:31:18.05	Instead of going to college, he 

2017-03-11 16:31:23.049	decided he was going to enlist 

2017-03-11 16:31:24.049	in the military. 

2017-03-11 16:31:24.05	We became a military family. 

2017-03-11 16:31:27.048	We were at his first leave when 

2017-03-11 16:31:32.076	he was in training camp before 

2017-03-11 16:31:36.161	Thanksgiving and had a 

2017-03-11 16:31:36.166	Thanksgiving dinner. 

2017-03-11 16:31:36.168	We flew the family down for 

2017-03-11 16:31:40.203	graduation from training camp. 

2017-03-11 16:31:40.204	We made sure we attended his 

2017-03-11 16:31:44.203	reenlistment ceremony, so we are 

2017-03-11 16:31:50.203	invested because he is our son, 

2017-03-11 16:31:51.208	our brother come and we love 

2017-03-11 16:31:53.202	him, and we want them to know he 

2017-03-11 16:31:53.203	is not alone. 

2017-03-11 16:31:54.201	in the decision he made, so it 

2017-03-11 16:31:59.214	is deeply personal to me. 

2017-03-11 16:32:00.25	The way I know how to make work, 

2017-03-11 16:32:06.302	it is not a one-off, to your 

2017-03-11 16:32:07.298	point, right? 

2017-03-11 16:32:07.299	I am here listening, learning, 

2017-03-11 16:32:11.299	and thinking deeply about what 

2017-03-11 16:32:16.302	that sustained engagement looks 

2017-03-11 16:32:16.303	like, because that's the only 

2017-03-11 16:32:16.304	way I know. 

2017-03-11 16:32:16.305	>> can I ask you, Colleen, 

2017-03-11 16:32:22.327	Michael -- I'm sorry, we will 

2017-03-11 16:32:25.342	come back to this. 

2017-03-11 16:32:25.343	I want to pull a little bit. 

2017-03-11 16:32:31.329	What are the core competencies? 

2017-03-11 16:32:34.478	You guys have a long history 

2017-03-11 16:32:34.479	over many projects in this work. 

2017-03-11 16:32:35.414	What are the core competencies 

2017-03-11 16:32:40.423	you have had to develop 

2017-03-11 16:32:40.424	personally and in your staff to 

2017-03-11 16:32:40.425	create the kinds of authenticity 

2017-03-11 16:32:43.414	in the work that Rob and Carla 

2017-03-11 16:32:46.414	are talking about being a first 

2017-03-11 16:32:48.415	hurdle? 

2017-03-11 16:32:48.416	>> one of the things that goes 

2017-03-11 16:32:52.414	back to, the organization's 52 

2017-03-11 16:32:58.499	years old. 

2017-03-11 16:32:59.499	I have been the director for 24 

2017-03-11 16:33:01.499	of those 52 years. 

2017-03-11 16:33:01.501	Over that time come the staff 

2017-03-11 16:33:05.501	collectively discussed and 

2017-03-11 16:33:05.502	developed our mission. 

2017-03-11 16:33:05.503	Our mission is connecting 

2017-03-11 16:33:07.501	communities. 

2017-03-11 16:33:07.502	And then we identify those 

2017-03-11 16:33:11.5	missions, those communities, and 

2017-03-11 16:33:13.55	stay true to them. 

2017-03-11 16:33:13.551	I am a military brat. 

2017-03-11 16:33:15.549	Of course, the military was 

2017-03-11 16:33:19.549	going to be one of those. 

2017-03-11 16:33:20.552	We live in a state where there 

2017-03-11 16:33:23.549	are many military bases, 

2017-03-11 16:33:24.551	National Guard, Air Force, etc., 

2017-03-11 16:33:28.551	but the core competency was 

2017-03-11 16:33:29.552	understanding the work that we 

2017-03-11 16:33:29.553	do is connected back to our 

2017-03-11 16:33:33.58	community, that those 

2017-03-11 16:33:35.586	communities are not monolithic, 

2017-03-11 16:33:37.58	so they must connect to a 

2017-03-11 16:33:39.58	multiplicity of communities, so 

2017-03-11 16:33:43.581	we are connected to the Latino 

2017-03-11 16:33:45.581	communities, the 

2017-03-11 16:33:45.582	African-American communities, 

2017-03-11 16:33:46.582	Jewish communities. 

2017-03-11 16:33:50.582	All of those communities are 

2017-03-11 16:33:52.583	represented in the military, so 

2017-03-11 16:33:52.584	that was important. 

2017-03-11 16:33:52.585	The other thing that was 

2017-03-11 16:33:55.627	critical was return on 

2017-03-11 16:33:55.628	investment. 

2017-03-11 16:33:55.629	We had to redefine what that 

2017-03-11 16:33:59.752	means, very large organization, 

2017-03-11 16:34:02.753	$19 million organization. 

2017-03-11 16:34:02.754	We get no support from the 

2017-03-11 16:34:05.801	University or the state. 

2017-03-11 16:34:05.802	We make it. 

2017-03-11 16:34:08.801	We raise it. 

2017-03-11 16:34:08.802	We earn it. 

2017-03-11 16:34:08.803	Then we had to say what is the 

2017-03-11 16:34:12.801	return on investment in doing 

2017-03-11 16:34:12.806	this work. 

2017-03-11 16:34:12.807	I think it was stated earlier 

2017-03-11 16:34:15.801	that it is not, the return on 

2017-03-11 16:34:18.802	investment is not dollars or 

2017-03-11 16:34:21.801	having butts in seats, but it is 

2017-03-11 16:34:29.916	about creating partnerships, 

2017-03-11 16:34:30.918	sustaining partnerships, 

2017-03-11 16:34:30.919	addressing issues that have 

2017-03-11 16:34:34.919	concern over a broad group of 

2017-03-11 16:34:34.921	communities. 

2017-03-11 16:34:34.922	Those are our returns on 

2017-03-11 16:34:38.919	investment that we look at. 

2017-03-11 16:34:38.92	We don't look at the dollars. 

2017-03-11 16:34:41.919	We do look at how we pay for it. 

2017-03-11 16:34:44.919	So in those partnerships, 

2017-03-11 16:34:44.921	something ann just brought up, 

2017-03-11 16:34:49.918	what are those guys going 

2017-03-11 16:34:53.919	through. 

2017-03-11 16:34:53.92	We found we had partners in the 

2017-03-11 16:34:53.92	military, the U.S. Army 

2017-03-11 16:34:56.919	foundation supports our work as 

2017-03-11 16:34:59.958	do the blue Star moms. 

2017-03-11 16:35:01.96	Senator John McCain and Cindy 

2017-03-11 16:35:01.96	McCain are not only active 

2017-03-11 16:35:06.963	supporters of our work, but 

2017-03-11 16:35:06.964	financially support our work. 

2017-03-11 16:35:06.965	The Arizona lottery, we were the 

2017-03-11 16:35:10.962	only cultural organization that

2017-03-11 16:35:13.96	they have given multiple years 

2017-03-11 16:35:14.96	of funding to for this work in 

2017-03-11 16:35:16.962	particular, see you can develop 

2017-03-11 16:35:18.003	partnerships. 

2017-03-11 16:35:18.004	I went out to an Air Force base 

2017-03-11 16:35:20.003	to meet with the general and 

2017-03-11 16:35:22.003	just talk about what we hoped to 

2017-03-11 16:35:24.002	do over a long period of time. 

2017-03-11 16:35:28.053	Like any partners, there was 

2017-03-11 16:35:32.059	skepticism, but we kept doing 

2017-03-11 16:35:32.06	it. 

2017-03-11 16:35:32.061	>> core competencies, so I have 

2017-03-11 16:35:39.087	been in the organization 22 

2017-03-11 16:35:39.088	years. 

2017-03-11 16:35:39.089	From a very structured 

2017-03-11 16:35:43.127	background in the arts as a 

2017-03-11 16:35:43.128	classical ballet dancer. 

2017-03-11 16:35:45.129	So what I have seen that has 

2017-03-11 16:35:49.13	been successful over the years 

2017-03-11 16:35:49.131	is the consistency, is also in 

2017-03-11 16:35:51.128	the case -- I will go to speed 

2017-03-11 16:35:58.169	killed my cousin and carpet

2017-03-11 16:35:59.172	back, we had done two years 

2017-03-11 16:35:59.173	prior multimedia projects. 

2017-03-11 16:36:03.172	We had also had for at least 15 

2017-03-11 16:36:08.194	years, really solid, ongoing 

2017-03-11 16:36:11.171	programs to support military 

2017-03-11 16:36:11.172	families, to come to our 

2017-03-11 16:36:15.213	theaters, some not the same type 

2017-03-11 16:36:16.256	of interaction, but very 

2017-03-11 16:36:18.255	important relationships that 

2017-03-11 16:36:20.304	were already there. 

2017-03-11 16:36:20.305	A real trust. 

2017-03-11 16:36:22.303	>> what kind of programs, 

2017-03-11 16:36:25.354	Michael? 

2017-03-11 16:36:25.355	And you describe the programs? 

2017-03-11 16:36:27.353	>> this is an interesting one. 

2017-03-11 16:36:32.355	10 years ago, we started from 

2017-03-11 16:36:32.356	the Broadway league, they 

2017-03-11 16:36:36.353	started a program they funded in 

2017-03-11 16:36:37.354	the beginning across the 

2017-03-11 16:36:37.355	country. 

2017-03-11 16:36:37.356	>> that is the league of 

2017-03-11 16:36:43.383	Broadway producers, professional 

2017-03-11 16:36:44.381	association of theaters and 

2017-03-11 16:36:44.382	producers on Broadway. 

2017-03-11 16:36:44.383	>> it was family first night, 

2017-03-11 16:36:48.382	the name of the program. 

2017-03-11 16:36:48.383	We were the only partner that 

2017-03-11 16:36:51.423	decided we are calling it 

2017-03-11 16:36:54.423	military family first night, so 

2017-03-11 16:36:57.424	we focused on those military 

2017-03-11 16:36:57.425	partnerships that Colleen had 

2017-03-11 16:37:00.423	spoken of with Luke and others, 

2017-03-11 16:37:03.424	Arizona Army National Guard, an 

2017-03-11 16:37:05.424	important one, and that's when 

2017-03-11 16:37:10.441	we came upon the National Guard. 

2017-03-11 16:37:10.442	Because those families were not 

2017-03-11 16:37:11.424	trained to be Marines. 

2017-03-11 16:37:12.425	They were trained to help in 

2017-03-11 16:37:18.425	national disasters or floods and 

2017-03-11 16:37:19.425	all of a sudden they are doing 

2017-03-11 16:37:20.426	three tours of duty in Iraq. 

2017-03-11 16:37:23.507	So those families we felt there 

2017-03-11 16:37:24.508	was a structure in place. 

2017-03-11 16:37:27.508	We had a good partnership from 

2017-03-11 16:37:28.508	them coming to other shows. 

2017-03-11 16:37:29.507	So that was one of the first 

2017-03-11 16:37:34.51	ongoing programs, still going. 

2017-03-11 16:37:35.508	We have had probably a 20 year 

2017-03-11 16:37:37.507	program with the national 

2017-03-11 16:37:40.508	organization that in an

2017-03-11 16:37:46.51	organized way gives tickets to 

2017-03-11 16:37:47.511	veterans and veterans families. 

2017-03-11 16:37:47.512	So calling on those partnerships

2017-03-11 16:37:53.634	, in the early, early 

2017-03-11 16:37:55.635	conversations with Linda, and 

2017-03-11 16:37:55.636	some of our campus partners like 

2017-03-11 16:37:56.633	the Tillman center on campus 

2017-03-11 16:38:00.633	were key, because knowing what 

2017-03-11 16:38:02.634	you don't know, even though we 

2017-03-11 16:38:06.634	had done these other military 

2017-03-11 16:38:07.635	themed projects, carpetbag was 

2017-03-11 16:38:14.635	interested in having very real 

2017-03-11 16:38:14.636	interaction with PTSD vets, and 

2017-03-11 16:38:17.677	I knew that OK, I need to talk 

2017-03-11 16:38:21.676	to some of these fats on campus 

2017-03-11 16:38:22.679	and see what their take was and 

2017-03-11 16:38:24.677	do they want to be involved in 

2017-03-11 16:38:25.68	this or not? 

2017-03-11 16:38:25.681	Do they want to see a theater 

2017-03-11 16:38:28.677	piece like this or not? 

2017-03-11 16:38:28.678	I did that listening tour, 

2017-03-11 16:38:35.681	talked with our partners. 

2017-03-11 16:38:36.678	All of that help us form the 

2017-03-11 16:38:38.678	most respectful and impactful 

2017-03-11 16:38:42.678	approach to creating the 

2017-03-11 16:38:42.679	residency. 

2017-03-11 16:38:42.68	>> thank you. 

2017-03-11 16:38:44.679	Great. 

2017-03-11 16:38:44.681	Margaret? 

2017-03-11 16:38:45.68	>> so we have done several of 

2017-03-11 16:38:51.719	these large projects, and 

2017-03-11 16:38:53.718	actually out of an older 

2017-03-11 16:38:56.72	three-year program initiative 

2017-03-11 16:38:56.721	that was part of creative campus

2017-03-11 16:38:59.718	called class divide, we had 

2017-03-11 16:39:01.72	developed an ongoing 

2017-03-11 16:39:01.721	relationship with military and a 

2017-03-11 16:39:07.72	more institutional way, so we 

2017-03-11 16:39:08.721	have been trying to grow that, 

2017-03-11 16:39:08.722	and now through I guess another 

2017-03-11 16:39:11.722	version of that initiative that 

2017-03-11 16:39:13.81	we hope will be permanent -- we 

2017-03-11 16:39:18.809	are in a small rural community. 

2017-03-11 16:39:22.856	Our town is 10,000 people and we 

2017-03-11 16:39:25.859	are surrounded by small 

2017-03-11 16:39:26.857	villages, so we don't have most 

2017-03-11 16:39:28.858	of those large organizations. 

2017-03-11 16:39:28.859	What we do have is the V.A. and 

2017-03-11 16:39:31.859	a small undergraduate veterans 

2017-03-11 16:39:35.859	associations on campus, maybe 

2017-03-11 16:39:36.875	like 25 students. 

2017-03-11 16:39:36.876	Our relationship is primarily 

2017-03-11 16:39:39.889	with theva, and this is a way 

2017-03-11 16:39:47.888	to make us more accessible to 

2017-03-11 16:39:48.888	them. 

2017-03-11 16:39:49.889	I guess the competencies would 

2017-03-11 16:39:51.889	be learning points for us about 

2017-03-11 16:39:52.903	that way of working. 

2017-03-11 16:39:53.888	And I don't mean that what, I 

2017-03-11 16:39:58.887	don't think this is what anybody 

2017-03-11 16:40:01.89	has mentioned so far, but 

2017-03-11 16:40:03.892	sometimes organizations provide 

2017-03-11 16:40:03.893	tickets to things they know are 

2017-03-11 16:40:03.894	not, you know -- nobody here has 

2017-03-11 16:40:08.891	said that, but rather than do 

2017-03-11 16:40:11.933	that, we establish a bank 

2017-03-11 16:40:11.934	account for the va that they 

2017-03-11 16:40:14.972	va that they can spend on 

2017-03-11 16:40:19.973	anything. 

2017-03-11 16:40:19.974	What we have learned by 

2017-03-11 16:40:22.971	partnering with them is that 

2017-03-11 16:40:23.972	several points. 

2017-03-11 16:40:23.974	One is obviously as has been 

2017-03-11 16:40:29.974	said before, the veterans are 

2017-03-11 16:40:30.974	not monolithic at all. 

2017-03-11 16:40:30.975	Many have traveled 

2017-03-11 16:40:33.974	internationally must some have 

2017-03-11 16:40:36.974	never been anywhere. 

2017-03-11 16:40:37.974	Some have never been on a plane. 

2017-03-11 16:40:37.975	Many have never been on a 

2017-03-11 16:40:43.014	campus, so it is take that risk 

2017-03-11 16:40:44.016	of coming outside their comfort 

2017-03-11 16:40:44.018	level. 

2017-03-11 16:40:46.016	The V.A. is very bureaucratic, 

2017-03-11 16:40:52.017	and things that seem like I 

2017-03-11 16:40:53.017	priority to us may be superseded 

2017-03-11 16:40:53.019	by much more important 

2017-03-11 16:40:58.019	priorities for them, so it does 

2017-03-11 16:40:58.02	take Haitians to understand that 

2017-03-11 16:41:00.017	process. 

2017-03-11 16:41:00.018	Some of our biggest successes 

2017-03-11 16:41:06.018	have been moments when we have 

2017-03-11 16:41:06.019	something we can bring to them 

2017-03-11 16:41:08.019	physically, something like

2017-03-11 16:41:11.06	combat paper project, where they 

2017-03-11 16:41:13.061	can get their hands on something 

2017-03-11 16:41:13.063	and point to a result that comes 

2017-03-11 16:41:15.06	out of this. 

2017-03-11 16:41:15.06	They especially like moments of 

2017-03-11 16:41:20.06	very clear instructions, so the 

2017-03-11 16:41:21.061	recording at the beginning of 

2017-03-11 16:41:22.06	the show about what to do, the 

2017-03-11 16:41:25.111	veterans love it, because it is 

2017-03-11 16:41:25.112	clear. 

2017-03-11 16:41:25.113	It is like, here are the 

2017-03-11 16:41:28.111	instructions. 

2017-03-11 16:41:28.112	Something I was talking about 

2017-03-11 16:41:30.109	earlier that is a challenge and 

2017-03-11 16:41:33.11	maybe we can come back to is 

2017-03-11 16:41:35.11	they do not see this as a 

2017-03-11 16:41:35.111	charity, and having dedicated a 

2017-03-11 16:41:38.144	career to service, they really 

2017-03-11 16:41:41.143	are now starting to ask how they 

2017-03-11 16:41:44.147	can give back to us, and we are 

2017-03-11 16:41:47.143	challenged by this because we 

2017-03-11 16:41:48.142	have never been asked that 

2017-03-11 16:41:49.145	before, so it is very 

2017-03-11 16:41:49.146	interesting. 

2017-03-11 16:41:49.147	>> yeah, I was going to follow 

2017-03-11 16:41:53.144	up similar to what Clyde was 

2017-03-11 16:41:53.145	saying. 

2017-03-11 16:41:54.144	We are a fairly new presenting 

2017-03-11 16:42:00.185	organization and opened in the 

2017-03-11 16:42:01.186	fall of 2013 and are just 

2017-03-11 16:42:01.187	establishing some consistency in 

2017-03-11 16:42:05.189	developing work around veterans 

2017-03-11 16:42:05.19	come around military service. 

2017-03-11 16:42:07.27	Virginia Tech has a military 

2017-03-11 16:42:09.31	history and background. 

2017-03-11 16:42:11.311	We have 1000 students in the 

2017-03-11 16:42:14.312	corps, about 75% gone to 

2017-03-11 16:42:21.312	active-duty service, so that is 

2017-03-11 16:42:22.316	an element there. 

2017-03-11 16:42:22.317	When I think about Liz Lerman 

2017-03-11 16:42:27.313	and the heating wars, Liz first 

2017-03-11 16:42:29.314	came to our campus before our 

2017-03-11 16:42:31.314	new arts center was opened, and 

2017-03-11 16:42:33.314	it was really in the context of 

2017-03-11 16:42:35.314	science and research because we 

2017-03-11 16:42:35.316	have a phenomenal research 

2017-03-11 16:42:38.362	Institute, so we have these 

2017-03-11 16:42:40.361	amazing brain researchers, so 

2017-03-11 16:42:44.362	that was our initial 

2017-03-11 16:42:45.46	conversation and the reason we 

2017-03-11 16:42:46.363	brought Liz and was to meet with 

2017-03-11 16:42:47.363	the faculty and the researchers 

2017-03-11 16:42:47.364	there, and I think that one of 

2017-03-11 16:42:50.414	the keys and it grew and 

2017-03-11 16:42:53.414	developed and we have an amazing 

2017-03-11 16:42:55.412	center for studies, this 

2017-03-11 16:42:59.414	military history, so we found a 

2017-03-11 16:43:00.415	lot of different layers. 

2017-03-11 16:43:03.481	As I have been sitting here now 

2017-03-11 16:43:05.482	for two bays trying to figure 

2017-03-11 16:43:07.482	out what is our intention, 

2017-03-11 16:43:07.483	motivation if we pursue this. 

2017-03-11 16:43:09.521	I don't think it can be

2017-03-11 16:43:12.522	singularly that we want to be 

2017-03-11 16:43:16.522	working with veterans or the 

2017-03-11 16:43:18.521	military service. 

2017-03-11 16:43:18.522	It needs to intersect with these 

2017-03-11 16:43:20.524	other areas, health sciences, 

2017-03-11 16:43:23.522	creative technologies, the 

2017-03-11 16:43:23.523	different ways that artists are 

2017-03-11 16:43:26.522	working to bring this work for 

2017-03-11 16:43:28.523	it, but as I'm trying to process 

2017-03-11 16:43:29.523	all of this here and I think 

2017-03-11 16:43:32.616	that will be essential for our 

2017-03-11 16:43:32.617	university. 

2017-03-11 16:43:32.618	We can afford because of 

2017-03-11 16:43:36.634	capacity issues to have one 

2017-03-11 16:43:38.615	staff person focused on this for 

2017-03-11 16:43:39.616	three years and just this. 

2017-03-11 16:43:39.617	We have community engagement 

2017-03-11 16:43:41.631	happening on a lot of different 

2017-03-11 16:43:45.663	levels and we need to pay 

2017-03-11 16:43:45.664	attention to those levels. 

2017-03-11 16:43:45.665	>> I want to ask you to go at 

2017-03-11 16:43:49.664	little bit further. 

2017-03-11 16:43:50.664	First of all, how do you know 

2017-03-11 16:43:50.665	what you don't know? 

2017-03-11 16:43:51.663	If you have an idea about that, 

2017-03-11 16:43:55.663	what do you need, what gaps

2017-03-11 16:44:01.732	aren't there in your capacity, 

2017-03-11 16:44:02.735	to pursue this? 

2017-03-11 16:44:02.737	As you look at it, what would be 

2017-03-11 16:44:06.775	your caps off this point -- gaps 

2017-03-11 16:44:10.775	at this point? 

2017-03-11 16:44:11.773	>> we, I mean myself, our staff, 

2017-03-11 16:44:16.817	myself as a presenting 

2017-03-11 16:44:21.827	organization, what are we trying 

2017-03-11 16:44:22.819	to accomplish with this? 

2017-03-11 16:44:22.82	Who is the audience? 

2017-03-11 16:44:27.82	We have those who participate, 

2017-03-11 16:44:30.82	and we have outstanding student 

2017-03-11 16:44:30.821	veterans that participated in 

2017-03-11 16:44:30.822	interviews, a compelling evening 

2017-03-11 16:44:33.863	that we all spent together. 

2017-03-11 16:44:34.914	That is one aspect, but there is 

2017-03-11 16:44:37.916	this larger audience in healing 

2017-03-11 16:44:41.918	wars, and we also presented 

2017-03-11 16:44:41.919	Basetrack and got some great 

2017-03-11 16:44:44.919	reaction around that. 

2017-03-11 16:44:44.92	The general public coming into 

2017-03-11 16:44:47.914	this work, it was much more 

2017-03-11 16:44:49.914	difficult. 

2017-03-11 16:44:49.916	>> where did those engagements 

2017-03-11 16:44:52.943	take place with Basetrack? 

2017-03-11 16:44:54.944	With a part of the performance? 

2017-03-11 16:44:56.944	>> we did a workshop the night 

2017-03-11 16:45:01.028	before the performance. 

2017-03-11 16:45:03.114	>> during the residency? 

2017-03-11 16:45:05.115	>> we were doing some advance 

2017-03-11 16:45:10.169	work. 

2017-03-11 16:45:11.165	We have a terrific group, so we 

2017-03-11 16:45:11.166	have all these people we 

2017-03-11 16:45:13.177	connected with, so I felt like 

2017-03-11 16:45:17.165	there was a small group that was 

2017-03-11 16:45:19.165	very engaged in all of these 

2017-03-11 16:45:20.167	projects and benefited, but then 

2017-03-11 16:45:23.167	there was that larger public. 

2017-03-11 16:45:24.166	It is the same public I have to 

2017-03-11 16:45:26.195	say when you go to the football 

2017-03-11 16:45:28.197	game and it is veterans 

2017-03-11 16:45:28.198	appreciation game day and we 

2017-03-11 16:45:32.279	have the camouflage jerseys on 

2017-03-11 16:45:32.281	and everyone -- they won't come 

2017-03-11 16:45:35.277	to see a theater piece about a 

2017-03-11 16:45:38.278	Marines experience or see 

2017-03-11 16:45:39.279	something historical. 

2017-03-11 16:45:39.28	>> I think it is one of the 

2017-03-11 16:45:44.278	things, you asked about core 

2017-03-11 16:45:45.283	competencies. 

2017-03-11 16:45:45.284	A lot of those we learned on the 

2017-03-11 16:45:49.28	way, and then where we hit a 

2017-03-11 16:45:50.279	wall and felt like we were in 

2017-03-11 16:45:53.279	territory we did not know, we 

2017-03-11 16:45:56.32	went to the Pat Tillman center 

2017-03-11 16:45:57.323	and we hired one of their best 

2017-03-11 16:45:57.324	people to come and work with us 

2017-03-11 16:46:01.366	on this, but on other things as 

2017-03-11 16:46:02.416	well. 

2017-03-11 16:46:02.417	>> the Pat Tillman center is? 

2017-03-11 16:46:05.43	>> we have the largest ROTC in 

2017-03-11 16:46:09.421	the country. 

2017-03-11 16:46:09.422	We were ranked the number one 

2017-03-11 16:46:14.416	most military friendly, and it 

2017-03-11 16:46:15.419	is a center for returning vets. 

2017-03-11 16:46:15.421	We are actually involved in 

2017-03-11 16:46:18.415	moving the center, we are 

2017-03-11 16:46:21.448	redoing our state. 

2017-03-11 16:46:24.447	We are putting 300 million 

2017-03-11 16:46:26.534	dollars into the football 

2017-03-11 16:46:26.535	stadium, but we will turn it 

2017-03-11 16:46:29.53	into a 365 day a year facility, 

2017-03-11 16:46:33.532	and we wanted the vets to be up 

2017-03-11 16:46:34.531	front and center. 

2017-03-11 16:46:34.532	The welcomeThey are welcome at the 

2017-03-11 16:46:42.538	University. 

2017-03-11 16:46:43.531	We looked at those partners who 

2017-03-11 16:46:47.649	go to football games, and 

2017-03-11 16:46:47.65	actually are athletic director 

2017-03-11 16:46:51.575	Ray Anderson, who is amazing -- 

2017-03-11 16:46:54.573	I absolutely love him. 

2017-03-11 16:46:55.576	He said, you know, I want to 

2017-03-11 16:46:57.575	have something called the senior 

2017-03-11 16:46:58.574	experience. 

2017-03-11 16:46:58.575	I want to have every athlete who 

2017-03-11 16:47:02.577	is a senior, and we have 

2017-03-11 16:47:02.578	thousands of them come and not 

2017-03-11 16:47:06.573	graduate without having a strong 

2017-03-11 16:47:07.574	cultural experience. 

2017-03-11 16:47:07.575	So as we talked about that, we 

2017-03-11 16:47:11.574	said what should their first 

2017-03-11 16:47:12.574	experience be? 

2017-03-11 16:47:12.575	And it was black angels over 

2017-03-11 16:47:14.573	Tuskegee, the story of the 

2017-03-11 16:47:17.575	Tuskegee airmen, and he said 

2017-03-11 16:47:19.575	because it is about leadership,

2017-03-11 16:47:24.617	gutting it out, teamwork, all of 

2017-03-11 16:47:24.618	these things, one of the things, 

2017-03-11 16:47:27.619	the captain of the basketball 

2017-03-11 16:47:27.62	team stood up and said, she is 

2017-03-11 16:47:31.668	an African-American woman, I 

2017-03-11 16:47:33.667	don't know who the Tuskegee 

2017-03-11 16:47:35.667	were. 

2017-03-11 16:47:35.671	I have never been in the theater 

2017-03-11 16:47:36.669	before. 

2017-03-11 16:47:36.67	This was the most important 

2017-03-11 16:47:40.667	experience of my four years 

2017-03-11 16:47:41.67	here. 

2017-03-11 16:47:41.671	So we knew that was a group to 

2017-03-11 16:47:44.668	engage, because yes, they are 

2017-03-11 16:47:45.668	there for veterans, so how do we 

2017-03-11 16:47:46.669	get them into the theater? 

2017-03-11 16:47:47.718	We will bring Pat Tillman to 

2017-03-11 16:47:50.717	them. 

2017-03-11 16:47:50.718	>> as you look at your own 

2017-03-11 16:47:54.743	interest in the work in history 

2017-03-11 16:47:57.746	with the work, what are the gaps 

2017-03-11 16:47:59.753	for you that you see, that you 

2017-03-11 16:48:01.742	heard about today that might be 

2017-03-11 16:48:04.742	resonating for you for ways to 

2017-03-11 16:48:09.744	fill them? 

2017-03-11 16:48:09.745	What struggles do you have? 

2017-03-11 16:48:09.746	>> so I think, I have been 

2017-03-11 16:48:16.743	looking around and one thing I 

2017-03-11 16:48:16.744	realize this week are the only 

2017-03-11 16:48:18.807	standalone presenter not based

2017-03-11 16:48:24.825	at an institute of higher 

2017-03-11 16:48:25.827	education, and that has been a 

2017-03-11 16:48:25.828	gap in capacity for us most 

2017-03-11 16:48:28.838	definitely. 

2017-03-11 16:48:28.839	I think we have had to engage 

2017-03-11 16:48:33.846	the University in different 

2017-03-11 16:48:33.847	ways. 

2017-03-11 16:48:33.848	We actually did like angels over 

2017-03-11 16:48:36.828	Tuskegee as well, and the way 

2017-03-11 16:48:40.829	that came to us was not to 

2017-03-11 16:48:41.828	veterans in the military 

2017-03-11 16:48:41.83	community, but through 

2017-03-11 16:48:43.887	multicultural affairs and 

2017-03-11 16:48:45.827	diversity at the University of 

2017-03-11 16:48:48.889	Vermont. 

2017-03-11 16:48:48.89	And so that was a way that we 

2017-03-11 16:48:51.924	were able to then invite the 

2017-03-11 16:48:56.984	Vermont National Guard and their 

2017-03-11 16:48:56.985	families to black angels so we 

2017-03-11 16:49:03.043	got that multiplicity. 

2017-03-11 16:49:04.086	We got multiplicity with the 

2017-03-11 16:49:07.123	veteran community, the military 

2017-03-11 16:49:07.124	community, the University

2017-03-11 16:49:14.22	professors and students and 

2017-03-11 16:49:14.221	connected it to curriculum. 

2017-03-11 16:49:15.257	So we are making up for those 

2017-03-11 16:49:20.337	cap sink capacity by coming in 

2017-03-11 16:49:20.338	from a different angle. 

2017-03-11 16:49:20.339	I think also we have talked a 

2017-03-11 16:49:25.425	lot about process versus 

2017-03-11 16:49:27.456	product, and it is hard for a 

2017-03-11 16:49:28.458	lot of us here I think to think 

2017-03-11 16:49:29.469	of, we are trained to think 

2017-03-11 16:49:33.475	about product, about the end

2017-03-11 16:49:36.537	show and the in the number of 

2017-03-11 16:49:36.538	tickets you are selling, so

2017-03-11 16:49:40.545	really trying to do from an 

2017-03-11 16:49:42.631	internal standpoint change that 

2017-03-11 16:49:44.676	in our own organization, 

2017-03-11 16:49:45.722	focusing on process, letting 

2017-03-11 16:49:49.754	other people in your 

2017-03-11 16:49:49.755	organization no that the process 

2017-03-11 16:49:52.794	is also the product. 

2017-03-11 16:49:54.798	I think for me as a cap that -- 

2017-03-11 16:49:58.831	gap that we are trying to fill 

2017-03-11 16:50:00.885	definitely. 

2017-03-11 16:50:00.886	I am not a presenting center. 

2017-03-11 16:50:06.927	I am an academic unit. 

2017-03-11 16:50:07.97	I don't have to fill a season. 

2017-03-11 16:50:10.976	I get to do one really big 

2017-03-11 16:50:14.001	project as best we can with the 

2017-03-11 16:50:19.124	resources we have come and I 

2017-03-11 16:50:20.129	don't have to sell tickets. 

2017-03-11 16:50:20.13	So the vast majority --  

2017-03-11 16:50:23.175	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 16:50:30.289	>> I know. 

2017-03-11 16:50:32.289	It has given us a lot of

2017-03-11 16:50:37.291	freedom, but there are so few

2017-03-11 16:50:40.312	come so I do one a semester, 

2017-03-11 16:50:41.29	that I am trying to meet the 

2017-03-11 16:50:44.293	needs of faculty across the 

2017-03-11 16:50:44.294	University, so we had a 

2017-03-11 16:50:47.29	fantastic experience with the 

2017-03-11 16:50:54.292	project read years ago, but we 

2017-03-11 16:50:56.333	can't justify bringing them back 

2017-03-11 16:50:58.335	because I have to do dance or 

2017-03-11 16:50:58.336	film or --  

2017-03-11 16:51:00.334	>> not only that, but the 

2017-03-11 16:51:05.334	continuity. 

2017-03-11 16:51:05.335	As we were saying and hearing 

2017-03-11 16:51:07.335	all the time it is not a one

2017-03-11 16:51:12.335	off. 

2017-03-11 16:51:12.337	It is not a hit and run kind of 

2017-03-11 16:51:14.334	thing, and yet in the course of 

2017-03-11 16:51:14.335	our work there are choices that 

2017-03-11 16:51:18.335	have to be made about how many 

2017-03-11 16:51:18.336	there are, and that is a 

2017-03-11 16:51:20.333	trade-off. 

2017-03-11 16:51:21.335	I have another question, and 

2017-03-11 16:51:26.376	maybe this has come up in your 

2017-03-11 16:51:26.377	work or maybe it hasn't yet, but 

2017-03-11 16:51:29.376	in terms of some of the stuff 

2017-03-11 16:51:32.375	that you have heard in the room, 

2017-03-11 16:51:35.377	the last couple of days, about 

2017-03-11 16:51:37.375	the risks around trauma, the 

2017-03-11 16:51:40.377	sense of the cultural 

2017-03-11 16:51:42.377	differences, all of those risks 

2017-03-11 16:51:47.377	that we have identified, in 

2017-03-11 16:51:48.378	particular, and we will hear 

2017-03-11 16:51:52.394	from you guys really, let's hear 

2017-03-11 16:51:52.396	some of the learnings you have 

2017-03-11 16:51:54.426	had as well, how are you 

2017-03-11 16:51:58.421	currently position to take 

2017-03-11 16:51:58.422	responsibility for those risks 

2017-03-11 16:52:00.473	and what is your sense of 

2017-03-11 16:52:03.472	competence there? 

2017-03-11 16:52:04.473	>> can I just jump in and in 

2017-03-11 16:52:08.473	terms of something I have been 

2017-03-11 16:52:10.473	thinking about in terms of the 

2017-03-11 16:52:12.473	cultural differences, and we are 

2017-03-11 16:52:12.474	not dealing with the risk of for 

2017-03-11 16:52:14.474	our audience yet come a but

2017-03-11 16:52:18.475	across the street from us is the 

2017-03-11 16:52:18.476	U.S. Coast Guard Academy, and I 

2017-03-11 16:52:21.547	would love to have the cadets,. 

2017-03-11 16:52:25.547	Early on we had a performance, I 

2017-03-11 16:52:27.545	think it was Gilbert and 

2017-03-11 16:52:28.545	Sullivan early in my years

2017-03-11 16:52:31.546	there, and two cadets came to 

2017-03-11 16:52:31.547	the box office and they did not 

2017-03-11 16:52:35.547	have enough cash with them or 

2017-03-11 16:52:36.547	something like that, and I 

2017-03-11 16:52:38.547	chased them and said, no, no, 

2017-03-11 16:52:41.547	command. 

2017-03-11 16:52:41.549	I will let you in. 

2017-03-11 16:52:42.546	I will give you free tickets. 

2017-03-11 16:52:44.588	I have the capacity to give you 

2017-03-11 16:52:45.631	free tickets. 

2017-03-11 16:52:45.632	And they wouldn't do it, and I 

2017-03-11 16:52:50.631	think it was a cultural thing. 

2017-03-11 16:52:50.632	And you know we are the liberal, 

2017-03-11 16:52:55.676	you know, the liberal arts 

2017-03-11 16:52:56.673	college on the hill, and we were 

2017-03-11 16:53:00.675	and all women's college, there 

2017-03-11 16:53:02.68	was a lot more mixing between 

2017-03-11 16:53:04.675	the cadets and the women, but 

2017-03-11 16:53:05.674	that does not happen anymore, so 

2017-03-11 16:53:07.677	there is that cultural barrier,

2017-03-11 16:53:14.722	and my other experience with the 

2017-03-11 16:53:15.725	military community coming to our 

2017-03-11 16:53:15.726	events was, this was one of my 

2017-03-11 16:53:19.726	first years of the college, and 

2017-03-11 16:53:19.727	we had a piano Trio, classical, 

2017-03-11 16:53:24.724	great musicians come beautiful 

2017-03-11 16:53:27.757	women with great photographs. 

2017-03-11 16:53:27.758	Our audience was more than 50% 

2017-03-11 16:53:31.757	single men from the submarine 

2017-03-11 16:53:33.756	base. 

2017-03-11 16:53:35.758	[LAUGHTER] 

2017-03-11 16:53:35.759	>> let me ask you, Robert --  

2017-03-11 16:53:39.757	>> so these cultural differences 

2017-03-11 16:53:43.758	and I want to get deeper, but -- 

2017-03-11 16:53:44.758	>> I will take it one more step 

2017-03-11 16:53:47.758	in with you. 

2017-03-11 16:53:47.759	Why does it matter if they come 

2017-03-11 16:53:51.841	to your theater? 

2017-03-11 16:53:51.842	>> to me it matters because they 

2017-03-11 16:53:56.842	are an important part of our 

2017-03-11 16:53:56.843	community. 

2017-03-11 16:53:56.843	They are part of our community, 

2017-03-11 16:54:04.883	and this is actually also gets 

2017-03-11 16:54:06.884	at my hesitation sometimes, 

2017-03-11 16:54:08.883	because am I just wanting to do 

2017-03-11 16:54:12.883	this because this is -- and I 

2017-03-11 16:54:17.926	don't know. 

2017-03-11 16:54:19.976	That isn't for me. 

2017-03-11 16:54:22.975	I come a my choice for drama or 

2017-03-11 16:54:27.975	comedy, I go to drama. 

2017-03-11 16:54:27.976	I have done a lot of work in the 

2017-03-11 16:54:30.975	prison systems and working with 

2017-03-11 16:54:33.975	female inmates and male inmates, 

2017-03-11 16:54:38.025	and they wanted to do the heavy 

2017-03-11 16:54:42.026	trauma, and I wanted to do, so 

2017-03-11 16:54:45.052	these are stories that are part 

2017-03-11 16:54:48.099	of our community, and I want to 

2017-03-11 16:54:50.137	expose our student community to 

2017-03-11 16:54:55.147	this community. 

2017-03-11 16:54:58.236	I want to diversify their 

2017-03-11 16:54:58.237	experience, and that is just 

2017-03-11 16:55:06.347	part of me. 

2017-03-11 16:55:06.348	I have always been --  

2017-03-11 16:55:08.349	>> go ahead. 

2017-03-11 16:55:13.385	>> you are touching on the 

2017-03-11 16:55:16.393	approach to some of this 

2017-03-11 16:55:17.395	material to can be sensitive. 

2017-03-11 16:55:20.431	Again, I see this on the same 

2017-03-11 16:55:20.433	spectrum and trajectory as the 

2017-03-11 16:55:24.435	work we are doing with 

2017-03-11 16:55:26.481	non-veteran communities, and you 

2017-03-11 16:55:28.561	and I were just together in an 

2017-03-11 16:55:28.562	international theater project, I 

2017-03-11 16:55:31.603	am still meeting with students 

2017-03-11 16:55:33.599	who still have feelings about 

2017-03-11 16:55:35.645	some possible triggers with some 

2017-03-11 16:55:35.647	very challenging heater work we 

2017-03-11 16:55:36.688	did in January, so I don't see 

2017-03-11 16:55:41.777	these as all that different in 

2017-03-11 16:55:42.81	terms of the time and the 

2017-03-11 16:55:45.846	thought that needs to go into, 

2017-03-11 16:55:47.848	not just telling something we 

2017-03-11 16:55:54.027	think they want to come to and 

2017-03-11 16:55:54.987	take care of in terms of 

2017-03-11 16:55:56.028	triggers they have, but helping 

2017-03-11 16:55:58.032	them understand what we have and 

2017-03-11 16:56:00.056	then allowing them to choose 

2017-03-11 16:56:01.059	what they may want to see, and 

2017-03-11 16:56:02.061	one of the big revelations for 

2017-03-11 16:56:06.149	the educational staff at the 

2017-03-11 16:56:06.15	V.A. was they did not just want 

2017-03-11 16:56:10.279	to see reentry, but they did, 

2017-03-11 16:56:10.28	they didn't, they wanted to see 

2017-03-11 16:56:14.34	African drumming because they 

2017-03-11 16:56:14.341	never had seen it. 

2017-03-11 16:56:14.342	Some of them had traveled in 

2017-03-11 16:56:18.359	Europe and wanted to see 

2017-03-11 16:56:18.36	classical music, so getting away 

2017-03-11 16:56:20.389	from this monolithic, but also 

2017-03-11 16:56:24.398	remembering the time and the 

2017-03-11 16:56:25.44	thought that needs to go into 

2017-03-11 16:56:26.484	helping people understand what 

2017-03-11 16:56:26.485	it is that we are inviting them 

2017-03-11 16:56:28.529	to. 

2017-03-11 16:56:28.53	>> in addition to military 

2017-03-11 16:56:38.602	family, we do operation date 

2017-03-11 16:56:38.603	night and heroes night, so with 

2017-03-11 16:56:42.637	heroes night, we honor World War 

2017-03-11 16:56:42.638	II veterans. 

2017-03-11 16:56:45.638	We honored wmd servicemen and 

2017-03-11 16:56:53.638	women and working dogs. 

2017-03-11 16:56:53.639	We say -- we have a rule, a 

2017-03-11 16:56:57.64	three question rule. 

2017-03-11 16:56:57.641	What you want? 

2017-03-11 16:56:58.64	What a why want -- do I want? 

2017-03-11 16:57:03.639	What we want together? 

2017-03-11 16:57:05.641	We save what you want? 

2017-03-11 16:57:08.641	What do I want? 

2017-03-11 16:57:11.731	What we want together? 

2017-03-11 16:57:13.729	And we work on that sweet spot. 

2017-03-11 16:57:18.778	Some of the things are mutually 

2017-03-11 16:57:19.779	together, and some of the things 

2017-03-11 16:57:19.78	are different, just as yes, they 

2017-03-11 16:57:21.779	loved come to see holding it 

2017-03-11 16:57:26.779	down, they also loved coming to 

2017-03-11 16:57:29.78	see white Christmas. 

2017-03-11 16:57:29.781	It was a big night. 

2017-03-11 16:57:33.809	We had 300 families there, and 

2017-03-11 16:57:35.809	it was a Broadway show and a 

2017-03-11 16:57:35.81	big-ticket item, so it is about 

2017-03-11 16:57:38.856	not treating the group as money 

2017-03-11 16:57:42.853	lithic. 

2017-03-11 16:57:42.854	It is about the notion of 

2017-03-11 16:57:43.849	communities come across 

2017-03-11 16:57:43.85	communities, taking sure there 

2017-03-11 16:57:46.851	is integration. 

2017-03-11 16:57:46.852	>> we have heard a lot about, 

2017-03-11 16:57:52.851	there has been a sense of being 

2017-03-11 16:57:55.853	careful about the work, the 

2017-03-11 16:58:01.854	audiences, about the veterans 

2017-03-11 16:58:03.893	you are inviting in, and how are 

2017-03-11 16:58:06.9	you careful? 

2017-03-11 16:58:07.893	How are you not come in a way, 

2017-03-11 16:58:12.934	how far is that overboard for 

2017-03-11 16:58:14.935	you? 

2017-03-11 16:58:15.936	What is your sense of that? 

2017-03-11 16:58:17.936	>> this is a good segue to what 

2017-03-11 16:58:22.934	we were talking about. 

2017-03-11 16:58:23.936	18 years ago, we started a 

2017-03-11 16:58:24.935	program for women that is still 

2017-03-11 16:58:26.935	going with local artists. 

2017-03-11 16:58:31.937	It was called keeping the faith 

2017-03-11 16:58:31.938	then. 

2017-03-11 16:58:32.935	It has been going on for 17 

2017-03-11 16:58:36.98	years. 

2017-03-11 16:58:36.981	That was a first step for me

2017-03-11 16:58:40	where I knew I was wait out of 

2017-03-11 16:58:40.001	my depth as far as what do I 

2017-03-11 16:58:42.029	know about this culture, zilch. 

2017-03-11 16:58:47.03	So let me work with an artist 

2017-03-11 16:58:49.029	really does. 

2017-03-11 16:58:49.03	Let's fine artists who have the 

2017-03-11 16:58:53.031	capabilities and are passionate. 

2017-03-11 16:58:53.032	So that happened. 

2017-03-11 16:58:56.061	Coming across the right 

2017-03-11 16:59:00.104	personality which is -- Sheriff 

2017-03-11 16:59:08.23	Joe Arpaio. 

2017-03-11 16:59:10.23	At the time, so Pat wanted him 

2017-03-11 16:59:15.233	to be in one of his facilities. 

2017-03-11 16:59:15.234	We found the right person to do 

2017-03-11 16:59:18.282	it. 

2017-03-11 16:59:18.283	The point is that was the 

2017-03-11 16:59:23.28	jumping off point for when to 

2017-03-11 16:59:25.295	know to be really smart. 

2017-03-11 16:59:27.319	Careful is another word for it, 

2017-03-11 16:59:31.374	but we did a piece with a 

2017-03-11 16:59:33.363	company, a dance company from 

2017-03-11 16:59:36.442	Senegal about their one-day 

2017-03-11 16:59:38.486	genocide. 

2017-03-11 16:59:38.487	We had for wand and -- Rwandan

2017-03-11 16:59:47.54	refugees come and they became 

2017-03-11 16:59:47.541	part of that residency. 

2017-03-11 16:59:47.542	I think it is having advanced 

2017-03-11 16:59:52.574	conversations and letting the 

2017-03-11 16:59:52.575	artist lead to, like we let 

2017-03-11 16:59:55.649	carpetbag lead us. 

2017-03-11 16:59:56.663	They

2017-03-11 17:00:05.575	I guess it is going on an 

2017-03-11 17:00:07.569	investigation to our -- tour. 

2017-03-11 17:00:13.57	Are in their specific 

2017-03-11 17:00:16.619	communities. 

2017-03-11 17:00:16.62	What those different opinions 

2017-03-11 17:00:22.634	are, and how to approach

2017-03-11 17:00:27.613	respecting all of those opinions 

2017-03-11 17:00:27.614	and still programming a 

2017-03-11 17:00:30.612	residency that is impactful. 

2017-03-11 17:00:30.613	That can be tricky. 

2017-03-11 17:00:34.715	It is never perfect. 

2017-03-11 17:00:34.716	That is for sure. 

2017-03-11 17:00:34.717	>> I have a couple of more 

2017-03-11 17:00:40.737	themes I went to get out. 

2017-03-11 17:00:40.738	Margaret, you raised this. 

2017-03-11 17:00:45.785	Anyone can jump in. 

2017-03-11 17:00:47.791	You talked about your interest 

2017-03-11 17:00:51.793	in this work as something that 

2017-03-11 17:00:53.786	has a different dimension in 

2017-03-11 17:00:57.797	quality, you have a different 

2017-03-11 17:00:57.799	expectation. 

2017-03-11 17:00:57.8	Someone else said that the art 

2017-03-11 17:01:03.829	needs to be valid as art as well 

2017-03-11 17:01:04.819	as valid in service of whatever 

2017-03-11 17:01:08.819	the goal is worried I wonder how 

2017-03-11 17:01:11.819	you are all feeling about this. 

2017-03-11 17:01:11.82	I do not want there to be a 

2017-03-11 17:01:17.909	consensus, I hope there is not 

2017-03-11 17:01:17.91	just a yes or no answer. 

2017-03-11 17:01:18.901	When you are doing this 

2017-03-11 17:01:21.962	particular work, not any work, 

2017-03-11 17:01:24.958	but this particular work, what 

2017-03-11 17:01:25.982	are the goals? 

2017-03-11 17:01:26.989	When of the goals and impact, 

2017-03-11 17:01:31.988	are they in that leading, I am 

2017-03-11 17:01:40.117	really pulling on you all day. 

2017-03-11 17:01:40.118	In that image she gave us. 

2017-03-11 17:01:42.115	Let's talk about quality. 

2017-03-11 17:01:45.115	Let Carla talk. 

2017-03-11 17:01:50.152	Sorry. 

2017-03-11 17:01:53.151	I will get you there for sure. 

2017-03-11 17:01:56.194	[Laughter] 

2017-03-11 17:02:03.191	>> that is a hard one. 

2017-03-11 17:02:08.236	That is something we have to 

2017-03-11 17:02:08.237	grapple with we have to put up 

2017-03-11 17:02:10.239	with that all the time. 

2017-03-11 17:02:10.24	If we do not, we are not 

2017-03-11 17:02:15.238	bringing people into the 

2017-03-11 17:02:16.251	conversation. 

2017-03-11 17:02:17.315	We are challenging how we are 

2017-03-11 17:02:17.316	making our distinction about 

2017-03-11 17:02:18.285	what is quality and not. 

2017-03-11 17:02:19.285	There is no, I would just say

2017-03-11 17:02:26.284	there is no personal and 

2017-03-11 17:02:27.286	professional growth and how we 

2017-03-11 17:02:27.29	are serving who we are serving. 

2017-03-11 17:02:29.287	I am not trying to get around 

2017-03-11 17:02:35.357	the question but it is a 

2017-03-11 17:02:37.36	question I still find it 

2017-03-11 17:02:40.362	difficult. 

2017-03-11 17:02:40.363	>> is quality in fixed point?\ 

2017-03-11 17:02:44.358	>> no. 

2017-03-11 17:02:48.363	It is within context. 

2017-03-11 17:02:48.364	>> quality and context. 

2017-03-11 17:02:49.376	>> who is defining it>? 

2017-03-11 17:02:54.445	>> what the journey is going to 

2017-03-11 17:02:59.455	be. 

2017-03-11 17:02:59.456	What is happening along that 

2017-03-11 17:02:59.457	journey. 

2017-03-11 17:02:59.458	You are coming along for the 

2017-03-11 17:03:05.442	people who have experienced this

2017-03-11 17:03:08.506	with artists in the field and 

2017-03-11 17:03:10.488	community, are you finding, what 

2017-03-11 17:03:19.536	is the conversation there? 

2017-03-11 17:03:20.534	>> I feel very strongly that we 

2017-03-11 17:03:24.597	present quality art. 

2017-03-11 17:03:26.585	He does not go on our stage. 

2017-03-11 17:03:29.584	I feel very strongly about the 

2017-03-11 17:03:32.584	artists that have worked on this 

2017-03-11 17:03:34.614	process. 

2017-03-11 17:03:37.614	They are exquisite artists, 

2017-03-11 17:03:37.615	artists that we would dedicate 

2017-03-11 17:03:40.62	time and resource to. 

2017-03-11 17:03:41.61	Artists that may not have the 

2017-03-11 17:03:45.61	resources we need and we can try 

2017-03-11 17:03:47.659	to figure out if we can give 

2017-03-11 17:03:48.654	them more resources. 

2017-03-11 17:03:48.655	It is more important for us to 

2017-03-11 17:03:51.651	have a premier, we can have

2017-03-11 17:03:56.689	someone come here and spend as 

2017-03-11 17:03:57.691	much time as they need to get it 

2017-03-11 17:03:57.693	right. 

2017-03-11 17:04:01.738	That is important to us, this is 

2017-03-11 17:04:02.735	art. 

2017-03-11 17:04:02.736	I am very, I am very serious 

2017-03-11 17:04:06.733	about this. 

2017-03-11 17:04:06.735	>> how do you know when it is 

2017-03-11 17:04:09.742	art? 

2017-03-11 17:04:10.832	>> heart, head, guts. 

2017-03-11 17:04:13.783	>> I start by approaching 

2017-03-11 17:04:17.836	something with education first 

2017-03-11 17:04:18.833	grade -- first. 

2017-03-11 17:04:23.831	We have had projects that I have 

2017-03-11 17:04:31.857	not always felt were

2017-03-11 17:04:32.858	exceptional, there was a lot of 

2017-03-11 17:04:33.904	learning that happened. 

2017-03-11 17:04:33.905	I had that privilege of not 

2017-03-11 17:04:38.904	worrying about selling seats but 

2017-03-11 17:04:39.9	also filling the house. 

2017-03-11 17:04:39.901	I am sure people would want to 

2017-03-11 17:04:47.042	experience it. 

2017-03-11 17:04:47.044	It is a hard line for me. 

2017-03-11 17:04:49.083	The one that I mentioned, 

2017-03-11 17:04:53.152	English language noh theater. 

2017-03-11 17:04:57.235	We presented when peace in 

2017-03-11 17:05:00.234	traditional English, and what 

2017-03-11 17:05:04.343	these in the style of. 

2017-03-11 17:05:05.369	We had no clue how that was 

2017-03-11 17:05:05.37	going to go. 

2017-03-11 17:05:05.371	They fully it was received very 

2017-03-11 17:05:10.493	well, in particular it was 

2017-03-11 17:05:10.494	received very well by the 

2017-03-11 17:05:10.495	academic community. 

2017-03-11 17:05:14.584	This is a piece we should be 

2017-03-11 17:05:14.585	exploring. 

2017-03-11 17:05:14.586	>> why did you start exploring 

2017-03-11 17:05:17.58	their? 

2017-03-11 17:05:18.58	>> what are the ways I bring 

2017-03-11 17:05:23.595	projects in is because the 

2017-03-11 17:05:23.596	faculty bring this to me. 

2017-03-11 17:05:23.597	This is what happened. 

2017-03-11 17:05:26.581	I have a faculty member who said 

2017-03-11 17:05:30.614	I saw what you did with that, we 

2017-03-11 17:05:31.608	like that model. 

2017-03-11 17:05:32.629	I have a company you would like 

2017-03-11 17:05:32.631	to work with you the company is 

2017-03-11 17:05:35.655	international and 

2017-03-11 17:05:35.656	well-respected. 

2017-03-11 17:05:35.657	It is not, it is not a 

2017-03-11 17:05:41.689	reputation of a touring 

2017-03-11 17:05:44.69	community. 

2017-03-11 17:05:44.692	>> really quickly I know we look 

2017-03-11 17:05:50.69	it a bigger conversation, I hope 

2017-03-11 17:05:51.689	Chris is still here. 

2017-03-11 17:05:55.737	She has something that relates 

2017-03-11 17:05:55.738	to aesthetics that is all. 

2017-03-11 17:05:56.74	>> time is supposed to look. 

2017-03-11 17:06:01.784	There is nobody out there. 

2017-03-11 17:06:03.781	>> anybody take this please. 

2017-03-11 17:06:09.863	There is a tendency to run 

2017-03-11 17:06:09.864	towards trauma or drama, run 

2017-03-11 17:06:15.899	towards the fix it. 

2017-03-11 17:06:15.9	That was described as something 

2017-03-11 17:06:20.939	artists are drawn to, we are 

2017-03-11 17:06:22.947	delegates from a much larger 

2017-03-11 17:06:22.948	field of practice. 

2017-03-11 17:06:23.94	We are not talking just only to 

2017-03-11 17:06:27.939	ourselves or about ourselves. 

2017-03-11 17:06:27.94	How is your response as a 

2017-03-11 17:06:30.939	presenter to that? 

2017-03-11 17:06:31.985	That is a provocative statement. 

2017-03-11 17:06:35.032	>> if I'm catching this, I love 

2017-03-11 17:06:41.096	the idea of this statement 

2017-03-11 17:06:41.097	earlier that those who are 

2017-03-11 17:06:43.079	veterans have a advantage in 

2017-03-11 17:06:49.104	understanding the human 

2017-03-11 17:06:49.105	condition when I think about us 

2017-03-11 17:06:50.099	doing this work and bringing the 

2017-03-11 17:06:52.105	part of a community that does 

2017-03-11 17:06:55.198	not have any connection to bring 

2017-03-11 17:06:56.233	that audience to understand it 

2017-03-11 17:07:00.238	more fully that is what I want. 

2017-03-11 17:07:00.239	Yes, to have variances great, it 

2017-03-11 17:07:05.29	is the great wash of people who 

2017-03-11 17:07:10.37	are connected. 

2017-03-11 17:07:10.371	I like going into it that way 

2017-03-11 17:07:15.329	and this is the disadvantaged of 

2017-03-11 17:07:16.332	our community. 

2017-03-11 17:07:16.334	The same way we had 

2017-03-11 17:07:20.358	international artists and they 

2017-03-11 17:07:21.396	had global connections and 

2017-03-11 17:07:22.414	global diversity. 

2017-03-11 17:07:22.416	There was understanding that 

2017-03-11 17:07:25.449	they bring to the table, I think 

2017-03-11 17:07:25.45	it is the same thing. 

2017-03-11 17:07:27.44	I enjoy that. 

2017-03-11 17:07:28.439	>> I think it is all about 

2017-03-11 17:07:33.53	recognizing and appreciating 

2017-03-11 17:07:34.528	what has value in performance. 

2017-03-11 17:07:36.598	As well as how veterans have a 

2017-03-11 17:07:43.597	perspective we can learn from, 

2017-03-11 17:07:43.599	that can be true for someone who 

2017-03-11 17:07:45.585	is from Dallas or someone who 

2017-03-11 17:07:49.62	was born and raised in the city 

2017-03-11 17:07:52.611	who knows the transportation 

2017-03-11 17:07:52.613	system better than someone who 

2017-03-11 17:07:55.607	does not have that privilege. 

2017-03-11 17:07:55.608	I think what we tried to do is 

2017-03-11 17:07:58.647	foster spaces where that 

2017-03-11 17:08:03.656	learning can happen, that 

2017-03-11 17:08:03.657	mutuality can happen. 

2017-03-11 17:08:03.659	To the trauma question, what we 

2017-03-11 17:08:10.646	lean towards, for me it has to 

2017-03-11 17:08:16.69	be a combination of things can 

2017-03-11 17:08:19.732	we strike a balance. 

2017-03-11 17:08:19.733	It is being able to emphasize, 

2017-03-11 17:08:26.745	it is great to feel joy. 

2017-03-11 17:08:27.743	I am love that quote from the 

2017-03-11 17:08:31.822	reentry piece. 

2017-03-11 17:08:33.778	It is about the difference 

2017-03-11 17:08:38.8	between happiness and joyful. 

2017-03-11 17:08:40.778	I think we try to introduce that 

2017-03-11 17:08:41.793	to the space and moments we have 

2017-03-11 17:08:41.794	created as well. 

2017-03-11 17:08:41.795	>> Susan, as they question 

2017-03-11 17:08:45.843	earlier that I would like you 

2017-03-11 17:08:48.84	guys to respond to. 

2017-03-11 17:08:48.841	It was a question about what is 

2017-03-11 17:08:53.898	needed. 

2017-03-11 17:08:55.942	I am try to get at that a little 

2017-03-11 17:08:56.943	bit about from your perspective, 

2017-03-11 17:09:02.945	you guys are stewards of the 

2017-03-11 17:09:02.946	infrastructure that a lot of 

2017-03-11 17:09:02.947	this is relying on. 

2017-03-11 17:09:08.937	We are hearing that it needs to 

2017-03-11 17:09:10.942	be over time, it cannot be a one 

2017-03-11 17:09:10.944	off. 

2017-03-11 17:09:12.982	What are some things that if you 

2017-03-11 17:09:15.982	could waive the one -- wave the 

2017-03-11 17:09:27.078	wand, what are a couple of 

2017-03-11 17:09:30.08	things on the top of your mind 

2017-03-11 17:09:35.082	that is needed? 

2017-03-11 17:09:36.09	What is missing? 

2017-03-11 17:09:38.111	>> we were talking about the 

2017-03-11 17:09:44.106	value of those intermediaries 

2017-03-11 17:09:44.107	and art. 

2017-03-11 17:09:44.107	If I could have six mentorship 

2017-03-11 17:09:50.106	sessions with somebody who was 

2017-03-11 17:09:51.109	like that who could zoom in to 

2017-03-11 17:09:52.112	my community and get meetings 

2017-03-11 17:09:57.147	brokered that I could not myself 

2017-03-11 17:09:58.145	over several years, maybe over

2017-03-11 17:10:02.147	38 year. 

2017-03-11 17:10:02.148	Maybe there was a three-year 

2017-03-11 17:10:07.149	commitment where I could get 

2017-03-11 17:10:07.15	that. 

2017-03-11 17:10:07.151	There was a clear goal from 

2017-03-11 17:10:11.151	where I was to where I am now. 

2017-03-11 17:10:11.152	>> it is just building on that, 

2017-03-11 17:10:17.23	it is a cultural intermediary, I 

2017-03-11 17:10:19.231	am entering a world and I am not 

2017-03-11 17:10:21.23	familiar with it. 

2017-03-11 17:10:21.231	I am not familiar with the 

2017-03-11 17:10:24.24	Latino community, it is that 

2017-03-11 17:10:27.23	same somebody who has that same 

2017-03-11 17:10:32.24	cultural competency. 

2017-03-11 17:10:34.278	>> medicine, had the 

2017-03-11 17:10:38.28	contribution about the lexicon 

2017-03-11 17:10:39.276	buried is that strike you as 

2017-03-11 17:10:42.282	something you would like to have 

2017-03-11 17:10:42.283	access to? 

2017-03-11 17:10:44.293	Other things about that. 

2017-03-11 17:10:47.324	>> taking into that, I feel like 

2017-03-11 17:10:52.353	it would be great to have 

2017-03-11 17:10:54.407	multiple kinds of discourse that 

2017-03-11 17:10:55.396	are occurring around particular 

2017-03-11 17:10:57.395	projects. 

2017-03-11 17:10:57.396	Those could be verbal, those are 

2017-03-11 17:11:01.403	standard, but also articulation 

2017-03-11 17:11:04.421	in writing, things that start to 

2017-03-11 17:11:07.398	get out in multiple places. 

2017-03-11 17:11:08.4	>> David, I would like to take a 

2017-03-11 17:11:13.445	deeper. 

2017-03-11 17:11:13.446	Those of us associated with the 

2017-03-11 17:11:16.525	Academy, in the fine arts 

2017-03-11 17:11:18.546	departments, design departments, 

2017-03-11 17:11:22.575	they are learning how to take 

2017-03-11 17:11:24.574	our place, we are not learning 

2017-03-11 17:11:28.584	the depth of what is going to 

2017-03-11 17:11:28.586	take and how to do these things. 

2017-03-11 17:11:30.575	I would like to see a different 

2017-03-11 17:11:33.587	kind of learning process. 

2017-03-11 17:11:34.604	For the of people who are going 

2017-03-11 17:11:38.606	to graduate and be presenters. 

2017-03-11 17:11:43.615	The people who are specifically 

2017-03-11 17:11:43.616	in this work, it becomes a part 

2017-03-11 17:11:46.605	of their program and they get it 

2017-03-11 17:11:49.61	in the understand. 

2017-03-11 17:11:52.647	There would be less on-the-job 

2017-03-11 17:11:52.649	training. 

2017-03-11 17:11:52.65	>> I think one of the things I 

2017-03-11 17:11:55.715	appreciate about our project was 

2017-03-11 17:12:01.685	the time and effort getting a 

2017-03-11 17:12:01.686	sharing of resources, getting to 

2017-03-11 17:12:03.685	know what you are doing for 

2017-03-11 17:12:06.701	education. 

2017-03-11 17:12:06.702	It would be wonderful if we had 

2017-03-11 17:12:12.702	that opportunity, I know it is 

2017-03-11 17:12:18.687	not the case. 

2017-03-11 17:12:18.688	>> take your comment, keep 

2017-03-11 17:12:21.686	going. 

2017-03-11 17:12:21.687	>> a toolkit may on methods of 

2017-03-11 17:12:28.722	collaboration, several case 

2017-03-11 17:12:30.687	studies of things that work and 

2017-03-11 17:12:34.684	don't work, so you do not repeat 

2017-03-11 17:12:36.71	the same mistakes that others 

2017-03-11 17:12:36.711	have made. 

2017-03-11 17:12:37.687	I know we have done that with 

2017-03-11 17:12:41.685	our students, we are introducing 

2017-03-11 17:12:42.701	a minor into our curriculum 

2017-03-11 17:12:44.73	around engagement so that they 

2017-03-11 17:12:45.733	can do that work rid so it is 

2017-03-11 17:12:46.806	still undergraduate. 

2017-03-11 17:12:48.824	You know, being in Dallas a lot 

2017-03-11 17:12:52.945	of this is brand-new for people. 

2017-03-11 17:12:52.946	Our large institutions and our 

2017-03-11 17:12:58.976	philanthropic base, it is hard, 

2017-03-11 17:13:00.979	there is a lot of education. 

2017-03-11 17:13:00.98	I am one person. 

2017-03-11 17:13:00.981	>> so, outer circle what are you 

2017-03-11 17:13:05.988	hearing that you want to pick up 

2017-03-11 17:13:06.99	on? 

2017-03-11 17:13:07.977	What offers you want to make for 

2017-03-11 17:13:13.025	this particular part of the 

2017-03-11 17:13:13.026	conversation. 

2017-03-11 17:13:13.027	>> hi, Connecticut office of the 

2017-03-11 17:13:19.044	arts. 

2017-03-11 17:13:19.048	I am actually going to come at 

2017-03-11 17:13:21.046	this in a perspective of the 

2017-03-11 17:13:25.073	work that I used to do. 

2017-03-11 17:13:26.078	I used to be the executive 

2017-03-11 17:13:26.079	director of the writers block, 

2017-03-11 17:13:29.111	we ignited change on stage, 

2017-03-11 17:13:34.143	primarily young people of color. 

2017-03-11 17:13:36.186	Ages 10-17. 

2017-03-11 17:13:36.187	What they would do is choose 

2017-03-11 17:13:39.238	subjects and topics they thought 

2017-03-11 17:13:39.239	were relevant to them read about 

2017-03-11 17:13:44.323	social issues they wanted to put 

2017-03-11 17:13:44.325	on stage, never did I hear them 

2017-03-11 17:13:47.35	talk about the military, 

2017-03-11 17:13:47.351	veterans, or PTSD and they do 

2017-03-11 17:13:52.332	not know about that, there is a 

2017-03-11 17:13:53.322	disconnect, it is interesting to 

2017-03-11 17:13:54.34	me, I put some notes down, there 

2017-03-11 17:13:57.352	is an interesting disconnect, 

2017-03-11 17:14:01.356	the reason is because of certain 

2017-03-11 17:14:03.352	communities you are taught that 

2017-03-11 17:14:05.353	the military is bad. 

2017-03-11 17:14:05.354	It is bad because you are 

2017-03-11 17:14:09.393	already underrepresented in 

2017-03-11 17:14:12.393	America, why would I go and 

2017-03-11 17:14:13.393	fight a war, why would I do 

2017-03-11 17:14:14.396	service when America is not 

2017-03-11 17:14:18.393	doing justice for me. 

2017-03-11 17:14:18.394	This is the mentality of some 

2017-03-11 17:14:20.392	black communities, I think what 

2017-03-11 17:14:22.404	would be interesting because I 

2017-03-11 17:14:27.457	am still on the board of 

2017-03-11 17:14:27.458	directors, I am still a member. 

2017-03-11 17:14:27.459	Is to push them in the direction 

2017-03-11 17:14:32.477	of looking at it from a sense of 

2017-03-11 17:14:34.521	commonality. 

2017-03-11 17:14:34.522	You look at Chicago, they call 

2017-03-11 17:14:37.573	it Chiraq. 

2017-03-11 17:14:41.571	They compare to Iraq with the 

2017-03-11 17:14:44.583	daily deaths, you talk about 

2017-03-11 17:14:47.606	reform in prisons, when you go 

2017-03-11 17:14:51.644	out they like to go back in. 

2017-03-11 17:14:51.645	That is similar to people in the 

2017-03-11 17:14:57.641	military who want to go back, 

2017-03-11 17:15:00.65	there is some kind of connection 

2017-03-11 17:15:00.651	that I wanted to bring to this 

2017-03-11 17:15:00.652	group to have us take about 

2017-03-11 17:15:02.649	that. 

2017-03-11 17:15:02.651	And we are talking about 

2017-03-11 17:15:06.773	engagement and representation, 

2017-03-11 17:15:07.772	how do we connect the young 

2017-03-11 17:15:07.772	people to get them to understand 

2017-03-11 17:15:08.77	the issues and there is also not 

2017-03-11 17:15:11.823	much difference. 

2017-03-11 17:15:11.824	>> you have the mic over there. 

2017-03-11 17:15:15.82	>> this is so extraordinary, it 

2017-03-11 17:15:21.825	tired me out that is hard to do. 

2017-03-11 17:15:22.826	It is so extraordinary, I 

2017-03-11 17:15:27.871	thought two quick things and I 

2017-03-11 17:15:30.899	wanted to thank everybody. 

2017-03-11 17:15:30.9	For this gathering, for what 

2017-03-11 17:15:35.98	everyone has done, but for you 

2017-03-11 17:15:38.974	and everyone who is working on 

2017-03-11 17:15:38.975	this great thing. 

2017-03-11 17:15:43.031	It helps to choose a meaningful

2017-03-11 17:15:47.978	area to start with, I hope this 

2017-03-11 17:15:50.02	is some sign of what we as a 

2017-03-11 17:15:50.021	community have the capacity to 

2017-03-11 17:15:52.028	do with our time area we sure do 

2017-03-11 17:15:55.021	needed. 

2017-03-11 17:15:55.022	I realized all these parallels 

2017-03-11 17:16:02.02	between this production and a 

2017-03-11 17:16:02.021	show I did years ago between 

2017-03-11 17:16:06.074	reaching out to the writers 

2017-03-11 17:16:10.069	community and the Department of 

2017-03-11 17:16:12.069	the environmental protection 

2017-03-11 17:16:14.075	agency. 

2017-03-11 17:16:14.076	We talked about a very 

2017-03-11 17:16:18.07	structured disengaged, they did 

2017-03-11 17:16:22.101	not, there was no way they were 

2017-03-11 17:16:25.099	going to the dance theater 

2017-03-11 17:16:29.102	workshop. 

2017-03-11 17:16:29.103	I knew early on that the show 

2017-03-11 17:16:40.188	was hard for them, so how do I 

2017-03-11 17:16:41.184	do that? 

2017-03-11 17:16:41.185	Without a lot of support, you 

2017-03-11 17:16:45.181	cannot convince musical people

2017-03-11 17:16:51.201	to get time, whatever is going 

2017-03-11 17:16:51.203	to happen on a lunch break, the 

2017-03-11 17:16:58.251	same with the construction 

2017-03-11 17:16:58.252	people. 

2017-03-11 17:16:58.253	You are just not going to get 

2017-03-11 17:17:02.228	through. 

2017-03-11 17:17:02.229	That was in the haunted house -- 

2017-03-11 17:17:08.236	hog house. 

2017-03-11 17:17:10.229	I did tiny excerpts from the 

2017-03-11 17:17:13.238	piece, a lot of those show the 

2017-03-11 17:17:18.235	work to get out how to do it. 

2017-03-11 17:17:18.236	In the lunch break, you have 300 

2017-03-11 17:17:23.278	people eating lunch, how do you 

2017-03-11 17:17:24.278	figure that out? 

2017-03-11 17:17:24.323	A bad effort is better than no 

2017-03-11 17:17:29.267	effort. 

2017-03-11 17:17:29.268	Or a failed effort. 

2017-03-11 17:17:30.268	Then we designed a video with 

2017-03-11 17:17:34.331	the help of the workers who had 

2017-03-11 17:17:43.32	spent their entire life building 

2017-03-11 17:17:44.348	tunnels, being secretaries, 

2017-03-11 17:17:44.349	being assistance, they had never 

2017-03-11 17:17:46.319	been there. 

2017-03-11 17:17:46.32	We had this footage of the 

2017-03-11 17:17:49.367	tunnel and building thing you 

2017-03-11 17:17:53.433	look through and positioned the 

2017-03-11 17:17:54.431	very strategically where they 

2017-03-11 17:17:55.434	were out of sight of the boss 

2017-03-11 17:17:57.43	office. 

2017-03-11 17:17:57.431	We designed this wonderful thing 

2017-03-11 17:18:00.442	where you started it and stopped 

2017-03-11 17:18:04.518	it, it only ran if you put your 

2017-03-11 17:18:04.519	hand on the cut out, it would 

2017-03-11 17:18:08.583	stop instantly. 

2017-03-11 17:18:11.585	If someone showed up down the 

2017-03-11 17:18:11.586	hall, you could get away with 

2017-03-11 17:18:16.57	it. 

2017-03-11 17:18:16.571	The thing I wanted to offer 

2017-03-11 17:18:18.57	everybody is they were still not 

2017-03-11 17:18:22.57	going to come. 

2017-03-11 17:18:23.6	That was fast. 

2017-03-11 17:18:23.6	The first opening night of the 

2017-03-11 17:18:28.609	show was a benefit for the 25 

2017-03-11 17:18:31.641	miners who had died. 

2017-03-11 17:18:33.64	What you have any culture, when 

2017-03-11 17:18:38.64	I worked with the police, the 

2017-03-11 17:18:41.65	police has a partner structure. 

2017-03-11 17:18:42.651	They have that buddy system. 

2017-03-11 17:18:46.642	This was a benefit to raise 

2017-03-11 17:18:50.647	money so that they can have 

2017-03-11 17:18:54.643	recognition for these folks. 

2017-03-11 17:18:54.644	Instead of charging $20 it was 

2017-03-11 17:18:57.647	$100 a ticket. 

2017-03-11 17:18:57.648	They came, than they could talk 

2017-03-11 17:19:04.641	at work about it so they could 

2017-03-11 17:19:04.642	tell their friends about it. 

2017-03-11 17:19:04.643	Just figuring out what the 

2017-03-11 17:19:08.64	culture and opportunity is 

2017-03-11 17:19:09.639	missing, and how we can make 

2017-03-11 17:19:13.65	that work for the better. 

2017-03-11 17:19:13.651	>> I have a question for the 

2017-03-11 17:19:17.681	group, if we can get a mic here, 

2017-03-11 17:19:19.696	let's see if anyone wants to 

2017-03-11 17:19:23.769	remember. 

2017-03-11 17:19:23.77	We have gotten into the habit 

2017-03-11 17:19:24.725	this afternoon of talking about 

2017-03-11 17:19:29.772	it is not that different, it is 

2017-03-11 17:19:31.766	like working with ethnic 

2017-03-11 17:19:35.869	communities or like working with

2017-03-11 17:19:39.851	other communities. 

2017-03-11 17:19:40.87	For some of the military 

2017-03-11 17:19:40.871	professionals, is a different? 

2017-03-11 17:19:41.849	When you hear that equivalency 

2017-03-11 17:19:43.889	is that scary for how we are 

2017-03-11 17:19:46.889	approaching it? 

2017-03-11 17:19:46.89	We say that is not different but 

2017-03-11 17:19:50.89	it is like what we did before. 

2017-03-11 17:19:50.891	I just want to make sure. 

2017-03-11 17:20:01.891	>> I had this conversation with 

2017-03-11 17:20:07.082	a number of people, you are 

2017-03-11 17:20:07.972	asking something that we have

2017-03-11 17:20:12.016	nodded heads on. 

2017-03-11 17:20:12.017	As a mentioned earlier, I was in 

2017-03-11 17:20:18.015	much of this room, the theater 

2017-03-11 17:20:22.014	making room for 15 or 20 years. 

2017-03-11 17:20:22.015	Then the last five years I have 

2017-03-11 17:20:27.097	left that room, I turn around 

2017-03-11 17:20:29.16	and here what we sound like, I 

2017-03-11 17:20:32.183	was surprised. 

2017-03-11 17:20:33.18	It feels a bit alien more than I 

2017-03-11 17:20:40.192	expected, it is like I am back 

2017-03-11 17:20:40.193	in my Iowa roots. 

2017-03-11 17:20:42.226	It is a most like the sound of 

2017-03-11 17:20:51.233	your own voice, you do not 

2017-03-11 17:20:53.227	recognize it when you hear it on 

2017-03-11 17:20:53.228	a recording. 

2017-03-11 17:20:53.229	I think it really gets back to 

2017-03-11 17:20:57.225	the same kind of thing we are 

2017-03-11 17:20:59.222	talking about earlier in terms 

2017-03-11 17:20:59.223	of allowing people with various 

2017-03-11 17:21:03.225	backgrounds and believes, 

2017-03-11 17:21:05.234	political ideologies to be

2017-03-11 17:21:09.315	welcomed into a particular 

2017-03-11 17:21:15.321	environment that allows us to 

2017-03-11 17:21:15.322	speak each other's language. 

2017-03-11 17:21:15.324	It can sound a little, I don't 

2017-03-11 17:21:23.35	know, a lack of something it is 

2017-03-11 17:21:27.352	a little air it is very 

2017-03-11 17:21:33.387	theoretical. 

2017-03-11 17:21:33.388	yWe get it. 

2017-03-11 17:21:35.392	We have been thinking about it. 

2017-03-11 17:21:35.394	We have been slugging away at 

2017-03-11 17:21:39.396	these intellectual concepts with 

2017-03-11 17:21:42.429	concerns. 

2017-03-11 17:21:42.43	It really sounds for an stew 

2017-03-11 17:21:44.428	someone -- four and for someone 

2017-03-11 17:21:50.432	who has not understood it. 

2017-03-11 17:21:50.433	Here is how we talk, how can we 

2017-03-11 17:21:55.431	get you to talk like us. 

2017-03-11 17:21:55.432	It is a little more complicated 

2017-03-11 17:21:59.485	than that. 

2017-03-11 17:21:59.486	>> did you get a mic? 

2017-03-11 17:22:03.476	>> I want, you should probably 

2017-03-11 17:22:09.518	not talk about aesthetics after 

2017-03-11 17:22:09.519	5:00 p.m. especially what you 

2017-03-11 17:22:11.576	just said. 

2017-03-11 17:22:11.577	Picking up on what Margaret just 

2017-03-11 17:22:13.567	said, that he'll must have been 

2017-03-11 17:22:19.566	involved in the last five or six 

2017-03-11 17:22:19.567	years with a group that are at 

2017-03-11 17:22:27.568	the intersection of art and 

2017-03-11 17:22:27.569	social justice. 

2017-03-11 17:22:27.57	We finally are getting to the 

2017-03-11 17:22:32.624	point where many of the artists 

2017-03-11 17:22:35.666	in the group were very upset 

2017-03-11 17:22:38.71	about this issue about 

2017-03-11 17:22:38.71	aesthetics and how they thought 

2017-03-11 17:22:43.645	they were bringing to the work 

2017-03-11 17:22:44.636	were being taught as lack of 

2017-03-11 17:22:50.641	rigor. 

2017-03-11 17:22:53.671	This notion of somehow social 

2017-03-11 17:22:57.652	justice art projects needed to 

2017-03-11 17:23:00.645	be thought up as a distant -- 

2017-03-11 17:23:06.725	different standard. 

2017-03-11 17:23:06.726	Instead of being thought of high 

2017-03-11 17:23:07.733	quality plus more. 

2017-03-11 17:23:08.719	We kind of took on defining what 

2017-03-11 17:23:12.726	is that plus. 

2017-03-11 17:23:13.72	We have something called impress

2017-03-11 17:23:22.719	, we have worked with many of 

2017-03-11 17:23:23.741	the kinds of qualities that 

2017-03-11 17:23:23.742	people have talked about here, I 

2017-03-11 17:23:25.764	think they would need to be, I 

2017-03-11 17:23:26.76	think there is more from this 

2017-03-11 17:23:30.762	conversation. 

2017-03-11 17:23:30.763	We could also change the 

2017-03-11 17:23:33.785	language to frame the 

2017-03-11 17:23:35.776	conversation. 

2017-03-11 17:23:35.777	Some of those qualities are 

2017-03-11 17:23:37.764	disruption, risk taking, we 

2017-03-11 17:23:45.768	labeled something as ferocity. 

2017-03-11 17:23:46.775	It is something that can work 

2017-03-11 17:23:50.762	instead of being a narrative

2017-03-11 17:23:54.764	typical way. 

2017-03-11 17:23:55.762	We try to do something that was 

2017-03-11 17:23:56.764	across art forms, we tried to do 

2017-03-11 17:24:00.761	something not as thought of

2017-03-11 17:24:04.82	equality as standard. 

2017-03-11 17:24:04.821	But qualities you may pick up on 

2017-03-11 17:24:08.848	as an artist and articulate and 

2017-03-11 17:24:13.888	want to be quote judged. 

2017-03-11 17:24:19.931	I just finished the part that is 

2017-03-11 17:24:26.028	designed for funders. 

2017-03-11 17:24:26.029	It is designed to have people in 

2017-03-11 17:24:29.015	the process, have funding, 

2017-03-11 17:24:33.027	thinking about the qualities

2017-03-11 17:24:37.023	that are what would you look at? 

2017-03-11 17:24:37.024	You would still have the quality

2017-03-11 17:24:44.065	to go along with the dance 

2017-03-11 17:24:45.06	floor, then you look at these 

2017-03-11 17:24:45.062	other things to, you value them

2017-03-11 17:24:51.108	depending on what the context is 

2017-03-11 17:24:55.111	, you might encourage those 

2017-03-11 17:24:55.112	more. 

2017-03-11 17:24:55.113	Any of those qualities are about 

2017-03-11 17:24:58.118	the process of more. 

2017-03-11 17:24:59.11	As well as the product, in fact

2017-03-11 17:25:06.137	it is really more about the 

2017-03-11 17:25:08.14	process, many of those qualities 

2017-03-11 17:25:09.139	are process and product. 

2017-03-11 17:25:09.14	This notion of aesthetics which 

2017-03-11 17:25:16.138	we talked about, we wanted to 

2017-03-11 17:25:19.137	claim that in the context, I 

2017-03-11 17:25:24.14	think there is a kind of 

2017-03-11 17:25:24.141	aesthetic that has come up many 

2017-03-11 17:25:28.177	times in these conversations 

2017-03-11 17:25:30.176	about what qualities should be 

2017-03-11 17:25:31.184	associated with the work without 

2017-03-11 17:25:35.193	trying to make it to -- we can 

2017-03-11 17:25:43.257	talk tomorrow about some of 

2017-03-11 17:25:43.258	those qualities might be. 

2017-03-11 17:25:45.177	Some of them are similar to the 

2017-03-11 17:25:50.201	social justice, and in some of 

2017-03-11 17:25:54.179	them are a different flavor. 

2017-03-11 17:25:54.18	>> I have a microphone I'm going 

2017-03-11 17:25:58.177	to use here. 

2017-03-11 17:25:58.178	I am going to take a little bit 

2017-03-11 17:26:05.226	of a risk as somebody who has 

2017-03-11 17:26:08.225	been listening a lot and to go 

2017-03-11 17:26:11.244	to your question about is this 

2017-03-11 17:26:14.227	like working in other 

2017-03-11 17:26:14.228	communities. 

2017-03-11 17:26:15.219	We do a lot of these 

2017-03-11 17:26:22.228	convenience, I have stepped in a 

2017-03-11 17:26:23.231	lot of these. 

2017-03-11 17:26:23.232	The tenor of this feels 

2017-03-11 17:26:27.261	different, I am trying to figure 

2017-03-11 17:26:29.272	out what the differences, 

2017-03-11 17:26:30.266	because it does not feel like a 

2017-03-11 17:26:34.28	Latino theaters convening or 

2017-03-11 17:26:39.317	black inner artist convening, it 

2017-03-11 17:26:40.318	feels different to me. 

2017-03-11 17:26:40.319	I'm going to take a risk and 

2017-03-11 17:26:43.309	what that is and be wrong, just 

2017-03-11 17:26:44.31	try to sort that out. 

2017-03-11 17:26:44.312	One, depending on the work it 

2017-03-11 17:26:50.312	feels like we are all circled 

2017-03-11 17:26:50.313	around a common sense of purpose 

2017-03-11 17:26:53.373	in this room. 

2017-03-11 17:26:53.374	In terms of the idea that we 

2017-03-11 17:26:59.357	have been talking about which 

2017-03-11 17:26:59.358	are works of connection, these

2017-03-11 17:27:04.358	questions of reentry, Civilian 

2017-03-11 17:27:04.359	versus military life area. 

2017-03-11 17:27:08.383	Even the work we have looked at 

2017-03-11 17:27:12.39	there is aesthetic differences, 

2017-03-11 17:27:12.391	sure. 

2017-03-11 17:27:12.392	Thematically it at least felt to 

2017-03-11 17:27:17.387	me that it is following similar 

2017-03-11 17:27:23.385	terrain, it feels to me like 

2017-03-11 17:27:26.384	there is a common purpose about 

2017-03-11 17:27:27.396	connection to a community that 

2017-03-11 17:27:27.396	we have not felt fully connected 

2017-03-11 17:27:30.385	to. 

2017-03-11 17:27:30.386	What has not been on all of the 

2017-03-11 17:27:38.385	differences inside of that. 

2017-03-11 17:27:38.385	What happens in the 

2017-03-11 17:27:42.385	conversations that we have had 

2017-03-11 17:27:42.386	often is that a lot of tension 

2017-03-11 17:27:44.383	arises because there is not a 

2017-03-11 17:27:48.402	sense of common purpose about 

2017-03-11 17:27:48.403	why we are gathered. 

2017-03-11 17:27:48.404	I feel somehow the sense of 

2017-03-11 17:27:53.389	common purpose is making us feel 

2017-03-11 17:27:55.415	incredibly coherent as a 

2017-03-11 17:27:58.43	conversation even amongst some a 

2017-03-11 17:28:02.466	little differences, I just want 

2017-03-11 17:28:04.468	to put that out there. 

2017-03-11 17:28:05.47	I do not know if that is a good 

2017-03-11 17:28:06.469	or bad thing, a starting point, 

2017-03-11 17:28:07.478	or if it falls apart from here. 

2017-03-11 17:28:09.469	I do not know. 

2017-03-11 17:28:09.471	That is what I have noticed 

2017-03-11 17:28:12.467	setting -- sitting in on these. 

2017-03-11 17:28:13.47	>> you got one, then we will get 

2017-03-11 17:28:19.511	one over there. 

2017-03-11 17:28:19.512	>> a couple of things, to answer 

2017-03-11 17:28:23.56	from my perspective at least, I 

2017-03-11 17:28:26.557	was asked this question when we 

2017-03-11 17:28:30.557	had an event with Austin. 

2017-03-11 17:28:34.61	One of the audience members are 

2017-03-11 17:28:39.633	up idea of are you afraid of 

2017-03-11 17:28:43.815	universalizing the experience of 

2017-03-11 17:28:43.816	the military? 

2017-03-11 17:28:44.715	In any situation where you are

2017-03-11 17:28:51.714	trying to build a bridge between 

2017-03-11 17:28:52.717	two places than their is that 

2017-03-11 17:28:55.765	risk. 

2017-03-11 17:28:55.767	That risk of universalizing the 

2017-03-11 17:28:57.776	experience because to the 

2017-03-11 17:29:02.809	audience and they are watching 

2017-03-11 17:29:03.815	what is happening, they feel as 

2017-03-11 17:29:03.816	if they have connected with or 

2017-03-11 17:29:08.834	maybe absorbed some of that 

2017-03-11 17:29:08.835	experience themselves. 

2017-03-11 17:29:09.811	It is always going to be a risk, 

2017-03-11 17:29:13.884	I do not make it is a reason to 

2017-03-11 17:29:14.924	not do the work. 

2017-03-11 17:29:14.925	I think it is good to pay 

2017-03-11 17:29:17.97	attention to so you watch that. 

2017-03-11 17:29:21.022	So, just this idea of if you go 

2017-03-11 17:29:34.132	in and watch an experience that 

2017-03-11 17:29:34.133	happens, in theater going back 

2017-03-11 17:29:38.139	to Aristotle there is a 

2017-03-11 17:29:42.173	catharsis. 

2017-03-11 17:29:45.213	It means you relate to what is 

2017-03-11 17:29:45.214	happening on stage, there is 

2017-03-11 17:29:48.174	emotions inside of you. 

2017-03-11 17:29:48.175	Sometime that can lead a person 

2017-03-11 17:29:54.233	to feeling they have experienced 

2017-03-11 17:29:55.313	that. 

2017-03-11 17:29:56.259	Almost like the idea of mirror 

2017-03-11 17:30:00.318	neurons, you seeing someone do 

2017-03-11 17:30:06.273	something that pops up in your 

2017-03-11 17:30:06.274	mind. 

2017-03-11 17:30:06.275	It is your body that is 

2017-03-11 17:30:09.309	controlling it, you are not 

2017-03-11 17:30:10.304	doing it. 

2017-03-11 17:30:10.305	I feel like in theater sometimes 

2017-03-11 17:30:15.305	there is the potential for 

2017-03-11 17:30:18.305	universalizing the experience. 

2017-03-11 17:30:18.306	But when it is carefully done, 

2017-03-11 17:30:23.304	with the proper witnesses, it 

2017-03-11 17:30:29.305	guards against that. 

2017-03-11 17:30:30.304	It allows people to bridge the 

2017-03-11 17:30:30.305	communication gap, not a feeling 

2017-03-11 17:30:34.309	the own part of that experience. 

2017-03-11 17:30:34.31	This is off on a different note, 

2017-03-11 17:30:41.354	related to what was going on for 

2017-03-11 17:30:44.355	the presenters. 

2017-03-11 17:30:45.354	Thank you very much, I never 

2017-03-11 17:30:47.354	heard those viewpoints. 

2017-03-11 17:30:51.356	I think it is very valuable to 

2017-03-11 17:30:51.357	hear. 

2017-03-11 17:30:51.358	I have a question about -- I 

2017-03-11 17:30:59.383	guess is the couple of thoughts. 

2017-03-11 17:30:59.384	Number one, are you working on 

2017-03-11 17:31:03.43	orientations, which are already 

2017-03-11 17:31:06.424	big gatherings of students. 

2017-03-11 17:31:06.425	Is there a place where that can 

2017-03-11 17:31:09.424	be more a part of it. 

2017-03-11 17:31:12.436	Are you looking to bring in 

2017-03-11 17:31:15.439	speakers, if you do a week of 

2017-03-11 17:31:19.482	engagement and you have the show 

2017-03-11 17:31:23.463	as a client -- claymation of

2017-03-11 17:31:31.474	that project. 

2017-03-11 17:31:31.475	Are you working with the leaders 

2017-03-11 17:31:32.463	of the National Guard, the 

2017-03-11 17:31:34.465	reserves, they have kernels and 

2017-03-11 17:31:42.51	generals in the area. 

2017-03-11 17:31:42.511	Are they coming in to speak? 

2017-03-11 17:31:43.51	If that is what is happening, 

2017-03-11 17:31:46.51	that is amazing. 

2017-03-11 17:31:46.511	I know we have -- I am losing 

2017-03-11 17:31:54.577	his name -- Admiralty Craven is 

2017-03-11 17:32:04.602	the Chancellor for the system. 

2017-03-11 17:32:04.604	It is something that I have not 

2017-03-11 17:32:07.633	seen yet with Texas performing 

2017-03-11 17:32:12.632	arts, I think it could help is 

2017-03-11 17:32:14.71	getting him in. 

2017-03-11 17:32:14.711	He is a God amongst the military

2017-03-11 17:32:24.689	, I am a liberal, but I 

2017-03-11 17:32:25.675	recognize what he represents. 

2017-03-11 17:32:28.686	Having someone like that come in 

2017-03-11 17:32:34.69	and do some kind of talk about 

2017-03-11 17:32:35.73	leadership as a part of it. 

2017-03-11 17:32:35.731	Wow, that could be powerful. 

2017-03-11 17:32:37.756	Then the last thing, every 

2017-03-11 17:32:44.758	presenting organization has 

2017-03-11 17:32:49.779	large shows that comment. 

2017-03-11 17:32:49.78	As those shows coming they have 

2017-03-11 17:32:51.969	to be loaded in, part of that is 

2017-03-11 17:32:54.778	bringing in a crew, I know crew 

2017-03-11 17:32:56.827	is reserved for fine arts 

2017-03-11 17:33:00.856	students and things like that, 

2017-03-11 17:33:03.899	or union in some cases. 

2017-03-11 17:33:03.9	If there are positions that 

2017-03-11 17:33:06.92	exist I can tell you from 

2017-03-11 17:33:09.922	experience with my reserve unit

2017-03-11 17:33:16.921	there was reserve students that 

2017-03-11 17:33:18.921	did not have jobs. 

2017-03-11 17:33:18.922	Their only source of money was 

2017-03-11 17:33:24.924	from the reserve paycheck, and 

2017-03-11 17:33:27.943	whatever they can scrounge up. 

2017-03-11 17:33:27.944	Finding work like that, it 

2017-03-11 17:33:34.921	provides a service to them that 

2017-03-11 17:33:37.006	also allows them to provide a 

2017-03-11 17:33:40.051	service back to you. 

2017-03-11 17:33:40.052	They feel like they are going to 

2017-03-11 17:33:43.051	be productive and doing 

2017-03-11 17:33:43.052	something for themselves as 

2017-03-11 17:33:45.05	well. 

2017-03-11 17:33:45.051	That may be a nice way to 

2017-03-11 17:33:49.05	present a bridge. 

2017-03-11 17:33:51.1	>> thank you. 

2017-03-11 17:33:53.1	There we will get one over here 

2017-03-11 17:33:56.117	after you. 

2017-03-11 17:33:56.118	>> so, I want to say, I find 

2017-03-11 17:34:04.138	myself saying this inconvenience 

2017-03-11 17:34:06.226	a lot. 

2017-03-11 17:34:06.227	I do not assume we all have 

2017-03-11 17:34:09.129	common ground, I do not sit here 

2017-03-11 17:34:12.131	and assume we all have common 

2017-03-11 17:34:16.131	purpose and do this for the same 

2017-03-11 17:34:17.17	reason or have the same 

2017-03-11 17:34:17.171	worldview. 

2017-03-11 17:34:17.172	I think when we do make that 

2017-03-11 17:34:20.173	assumption, we forget to have

2017-03-11 17:34:25.172	some really important 

2017-03-11 17:34:25.173	conversations. 

2017-03-11 17:34:25.174	I am just going to put that out 

2017-03-11 17:34:28.169	there. 

2017-03-11 17:34:28.17	I want to talk about specificity 

2017-03-11 17:34:32.173	and commonality for a moment. 

2017-03-11 17:34:32.174	For me, where the area of common 

2017-03-11 17:34:36.301	experience is, we were talking 

2017-03-11 17:34:39.301	about this earlier. 

2017-03-11 17:34:39.302	I am specifically focused on 

2017-03-11 17:34:44.353	work around trauma. 

2017-03-11 17:34:46.349	That is not the entire military 

2017-03-11 17:34:49.351	spectrum or the military 

2017-03-11 17:34:51.351	experience. 

2017-03-11 17:34:51.352	That is the work I am focused on

2017-03-11 17:34:57.42	, it is trauma. 

2017-03-11 17:34:57.421	There is literally, literally, 

2017-03-11 17:35:03.428	combat experience that happens 

2017-03-11 17:35:06.439	with psychosis, body and brain. 

2017-03-11 17:35:08.421	It is a response that is the 

2017-03-11 17:35:13.471	same from that domestic 

2017-03-11 17:35:18.517	violence, sexual violence, war 

2017-03-11 17:35:20.509	industries, or even combat 

2017-03-11 17:35:22.505	experience. 

2017-03-11 17:35:22.506	That is the same physiologically

2017-03-11 17:35:29.504	. 

2017-03-11 17:35:29.505	All of the experiences are very 

2017-03-11 17:35:30.506	specific and defined. 

2017-03-11 17:35:30.507	They actually will compound the 

2017-03-11 17:35:37.549	trauma or not. 

2017-03-11 17:35:37.55	Such as injury, poly trauma that 

2017-03-11 17:35:47.559	happens in combat that may not 

2017-03-11 17:35:50.549	be the same. 

2017-03-11 17:35:51.558	I think as artists, we have to 

2017-03-11 17:35:57.599	hold both of those things, it is 

2017-03-11 17:36:01.627	a matter of understanding 

2017-03-11 17:36:02.628	commonality and they get really 

2017-03-11 17:36:04.634	specific. 

2017-03-11 17:36:04.635	I think what makes good art is 

2017-03-11 17:36:07.633	specificity. 

2017-03-11 17:36:07.633	I wanted to offer that and put a 

2017-03-11 17:36:15.712	second. 

2017-03-11 17:36:15.713	In my world when I feel like I 

2017-03-11 17:36:23.714	get people in a room together 

2017-03-11 17:36:25.715	who would never be in a room 

2017-03-11 17:36:25.717	together otherwise, actually the 

2017-03-11 17:36:27.718	art has deep and meaningful and 

2017-03-11 17:36:32.721	transformational experiences. 

2017-03-11 17:36:35.719	I feel like I am able to present 

2017-03-11 17:36:38.712	their work, not with a Q&A but a 

2017-03-11 17:36:44.716	community conversation that 

2017-03-11 17:36:45.719	includes a military general, a 

2017-03-11 17:36:48.711	disabled veteran, a Muslim 

2017-03-11 17:36:50.715	student leader and the professor 

2017-03-11 17:36:55.754	who runs the Center for global 

2017-03-11 17:36:57.752	solutions and a bunch of people 

2017-03-11 17:36:58.754	who just came to see a show 

2017-03-11 17:36:58.756	because they like opera, dance 

2017-03-11 17:37:02.758	or whatever that form is. 

2017-03-11 17:37:02.759	That is when I feel like

2017-03-11 17:37:07.756	community transformation is 

2017-03-11 17:37:07.757	happening. 

2017-03-11 17:37:07.758	With my work and being a 

2017-03-11 17:37:12.766	presenter is have my own point 

2017-03-11 17:37:17.801	of view and worldview while I do 

2017-03-11 17:37:21.847	this and make space for all of 

2017-03-11 17:37:24.878	the folks who do not have the 

2017-03-11 17:37:26.926	same worldview as me. 

2017-03-11 17:37:26.927	To be in a room together so that 

2017-03-11 17:37:30.005	something will shift. 

2017-03-11 17:37:30.006	>> Jeremy? 

2017-03-11 17:37:33.086	>> Sometimes a village were 

2017-03-11 17:37:38.139	going to say one thing and then 

2017-03-11 17:37:40.217	there is another. 

2017-03-11 17:37:40.218	I feel like it actually kind of 

2017-03-11 17:37:43.269	relates in a way that I have not 

2017-03-11 17:37:45.301	thought of before. 

2017-03-11 17:37:45.302	This problem feels familiar as a 

2017-03-11 17:37:49.379	public health repetition her. 

2017-03-11 17:37:51.397	We have heard some homily that 

2017-03-11 17:37:56.472	people who do not know what they 

2017-03-11 17:37:57.475	do know, don't know. 

2017-03-11 17:37:57.476	When you think about the power 

2017-03-11 17:38:00.55	of the arts, it is very 

2017-03-11 17:38:04.759	meaningful and useful to have

2017-03-11 17:38:07.81	people know something they did 

2017-03-11 17:38:07.811	not know. 

2017-03-11 17:38:07.812	You can see where this goes, how 

2017-03-11 17:38:11.86	do you break through all that? 

2017-03-11 17:38:11.861	I think what she said is maybe a 

2017-03-11 17:38:16.93	part of the clue, we will have 

2017-03-11 17:38:20.019	those environmental 

2017-03-11 17:38:21.019	preconditioning, to plant the 

2017-03-11 17:38:22.022	seed and have that curiosity 

2017-03-11 17:38:25.109	that they may want to know more 

2017-03-11 17:38:27.272	about. 

2017-03-11 17:38:27.273	From a specific level about this 

2017-03-11 17:38:30.229	topic, it gets into

2017-03-11 17:38:34.31	universality, trauma is a 

2017-03-11 17:38:35.353	universal experience so is 

2017-03-11 17:38:37.415	isolation and loneliness I think 

2017-03-11 17:38:39.477	part of this is we do not know 

2017-03-11 17:38:43.601	about the military situation, we 

2017-03-11 17:38:44.617	know a lot about what is 

2017-03-11 17:38:44.618	interesting to that community is 

2017-03-11 17:38:50.694	challenged with that, you use 

2017-03-11 17:38:51.719	that universality as the hook to 

2017-03-11 17:38:54.803	universality. 

2017-03-11 17:38:54.804	How you actually promote that, 

2017-03-11 17:38:58.88	transfer that, that would have 

2017-03-11 17:39:02.975	to be a part of the discourse 

2017-03-11 17:39:05.101	about universality. 

2017-03-11 17:39:05.102	People have to take their own 

2017-03-11 17:39:06.115	way. 

2017-03-11 17:39:06.116	>> Yes? 

2017-03-11 17:39:08.176	>> I was feeling moved to say 

2017-03-11 17:39:14.351	something about starting 

2017-03-11 17:39:17.385	conversations and what has been 

2017-03-11 17:39:21.525	useful for me and my practice is 

2017-03-11 17:39:23.552	joining conversations. 

2017-03-11 17:39:23.554	There is sort of listening to

2017-03-11 17:39:29.681	what people are talking about 

2017-03-11 17:39:30.677	and what is needed. 

2017-03-11 17:39:30.678	That is a very local, sort of 

2017-03-11 17:39:34.747	immediate act. 

2017-03-11 17:39:34.748	We can do this nationally, there 

2017-03-11 17:39:40.883	is something particularly 

2017-03-11 17:39:40.884	immediate about the local for 

2017-03-11 17:39:40.885	me. 

2017-03-11 17:39:40.886	Jumping up some of the things 

2017-03-11 17:39:46.052	that have gone on in the inner 

2017-03-11 17:39:46.054	circle, I have also warned 

2017-03-11 17:39:52.135	another hat as a cultural 

2017-03-11 17:39:52.136	presenter. 

2017-03-11 17:39:52.137	I am always reminded myself that 

2017-03-11 17:40:00.283	I wear a campus had but I am 

2017-03-11 17:40:00.284	also community. 

2017-03-11 17:40:00.285	I am in a community, I am a 

2017-03-11 17:40:03.352	community person. 

2017-03-11 17:40:03.353	I have to break down those 

2017-03-11 17:40:09.509	barriers of campus and 

2017-03-11 17:40:09.51	community, or artisan community

2017-03-11 17:40:12.611	all the time to remember that we 

2017-03-11 17:40:12.612	are all of these things. 

2017-03-11 17:40:12.613	Like many of you who do that 

2017-03-11 17:40:15.728	kind of work, we get a load of 

2017-03-11 17:40:20.888	emails from people with really 

2017-03-11 17:40:20.889	great projects that might be 

2017-03-11 17:40:23.887	great on my campus, we think 

2017-03-11 17:40:26.949	about that role of the 

2017-03-11 17:40:26.95	intermediary, is this something 

2017-03-11 17:40:31.032	I want to do with resources and 

2017-03-11 17:40:31.033	put the time into it. 

2017-03-11 17:40:32.048	However my going to decide if 

2017-03-11 17:40:34.183	this is a priority, I feel like 

2017-03-11 17:40:36.173	part of my job in that comes 

2017-03-11 17:40:37.224	from listening into the 

2017-03-11 17:40:42.421	community that I am and if there 

2017-03-11 17:40:44.491	is anything around this. 

2017-03-11 17:40:44.492	Is this something we need? 

2017-03-11 17:40:47.627	Is this something that needs to 

2017-03-11 17:40:50.641	happen right now? 

2017-03-11 17:40:50.643	Is there urgency, how will this 

2017-03-11 17:40:53.659	contribute to what is already 

2017-03-11 17:40:53.66	happening, how does this will 

2017-03-11 17:40:55.699	who we are? 

2017-03-11 17:40:55.7	It is not just does this look 

2017-03-11 17:40:59.762	cool, but does it also have all 

2017-03-11 17:41:06.921	these other things. 

2017-03-11 17:41:06.922	That is the work fighting these 

2017-03-11 17:41:06.924	connections. 

2017-03-11 17:41:06.925	That will really help me get 

2017-03-11 17:41:09.948	there. 

2017-03-11 17:41:09.949	I guess just that piece of, I 

2017-03-11 17:41:17.05	was thinking about that one of 

2017-03-11 17:41:19.113	the skills of intermediary, how 

2017-03-11 17:41:19.114	might we passed that along, I am 

2017-03-11 17:41:21.142	curious about it. 

2017-03-11 17:41:21.143	How could we train people to 

2017-03-11 17:41:24.221	think about that active 

2017-03-11 17:41:27.363	listening skill about how we do 

2017-03-11 17:41:28.429	this work and how we can do that 

2017-03-11 17:41:30.434	in the gestation process. 

2017-03-11 17:41:31.465	>> So, we are a few minutes from 

2017-03-11 17:41:36.557	ending, this is before we get 

2017-03-11 17:41:39.779	into the break tomorrow that 

2017-03-11 17:41:43.68	could be a bit more action 

2017-03-11 17:41:45.731	oriented. 

2017-03-11 17:41:45.732	I want to find out is there 

2017-03-11 17:41:47.774	anybody who is sitting on a 

2017-03-11 17:41:47.776	thing related to anything that 

2017-03-11 17:41:52.915	has been set in all of this time 

2017-03-11 17:41:53.915	that should come into the room

2017-03-11 17:41:56.959	before we break into our group 

2017-03-11 17:41:56.96	since all things. 

2017-03-11 17:41:56.961	Is there anything that has not 

2017-03-11 17:41:59.009	entered? 

2017-03-11 17:42:00.004	Yes a couple of things. 

2017-03-11 17:42:04.157	>> I'm curious in terms of the 

2017-03-11 17:42:09.274	audience, are you all tracking 

2017-03-11 17:42:12.363	symptom ologies -- symptomology 

2017-03-11 17:42:17.55	of PTSD, I am coming here as a 

2017-03-11 17:42:20.67	representative of this, there 

2017-03-11 17:42:27.751	was that many questions. 

2017-03-11 17:42:27.752	I do not know, I am a stranger 

2017-03-11 17:42:29.831	in a strange land for this 

2017-03-11 17:42:31.862	phenomenon. 

2017-03-11 17:42:33.898	I was anticipating a bit of a 

2017-03-11 17:42:37.024	dialogue around how to 

2017-03-11 17:42:37.025	conceptualize this process. 

2017-03-11 17:42:39.969	I am curious if this is 

2017-03-11 17:42:44.013	something you guys are already 

2017-03-11 17:42:46.043	having knowledge of, I do not 

2017-03-11 17:42:50.179	know what the process includes 

2017-03-11 17:42:50.18	for you all? 

2017-03-11 17:42:50.18	We did not get into that. 

2017-03-11 17:42:52.23	That may be sort of a question 

2017-03-11 17:42:55.277	you are sort of alluding to 

2017-03-11 17:42:55.278	earlier. 

2017-03-11 17:42:55.279	We did not really bring it up, I 

2017-03-11 17:43:00.469	am sitting on that. 

2017-03-11 17:43:00.47	>> As a thing on the mind so 

2017-03-11 17:43:06.461	far, in a conversation that will 

2017-03-11 17:43:06.462	go on. 

2017-03-11 17:43:06.463	>> So as somebody running a 

2017-03-11 17:43:13.634	theater company as an 

2017-03-11 17:43:16.715	independent producer, I feel 

2017-03-11 17:43:16.716	very torn in my mind about the 

2017-03-11 17:43:19.809	necessity to have cultural 

2017-03-11 17:43:21.853	archaeology going through an 

2017-03-11 17:43:24.895	in-depth process of forming 

2017-03-11 17:43:27.967	partnerships so that we can make 

2017-03-11 17:43:31.045	relationships with these 

2017-03-11 17:43:34.126	documentary subjects. 

2017-03-11 17:43:34.127	That is truthful, respectful, 

2017-03-11 17:43:37.188	friendly, it has boundaries, so 

2017-03-11 17:43:47.476	that the work is not dull. 

2017-03-11 17:43:47.477	I feel like at the same time we 

2017-03-11 17:43:51.515	have lived in a world creatively 

2017-03-11 17:43:51.516	and culturally where it is a 

2017-03-11 17:43:54.633	numbers game that is rewarded. 

2017-03-11 17:43:54.634	I feel like for me, you read all 

2017-03-11 17:44:01.849	of this of the time that you 

2017-03-11 17:44:02.873	have done 125 shows the season. 

2017-03-11 17:44:05.965	That is very opposite to an 

2017-03-11 17:44:07.018	in-depth inquiry that if it is 

2017-03-11 17:44:12.092	taking two years to develop a 

2017-03-11 17:44:15.129	show, or a year and a half at 

2017-03-11 17:44:16.13	minimum, you are making sure 

2017-03-11 17:44:20.231	these relationships mature. 

2017-03-11 17:44:20.232	To have the artistic practice is 

2017-03-11 17:44:26.36	well thought out do you survive? 

2017-03-11 17:44:27.392	How do you play the numbers game 

2017-03-11 17:44:30.471	as well of having a certain 

2017-03-11 17:44:34.52	number of performances in New 

2017-03-11 17:44:34.521	York. 

2017-03-11 17:44:34.522	Serving a certain number of 

2017-03-11 17:44:37.596	artists, I feeling those things 

2017-03-11 17:44:40.672	are in direct contradiction to I 

2017-03-11 17:44:41.717	feel stuck in the middle with 

2017-03-11 17:44:45.8	being drawn about being able to 

2017-03-11 17:44:49.872	those places at the same time. 

2017-03-11 17:44:49.873	I absolutely do not have an 

2017-03-11 17:44:51.965	answer. 

2017-03-11 17:44:51.966	>> So we are sitting here 

2017-03-11 17:44:57.054	talking about service to 

2017-03-11 17:44:58.059	veterans in the military have a 

2017-03-11 17:45:00.141	one of the things that struck me 

2017-03-11 17:45:01.201	was I believe the Armed Services

2017-03-11 17:45:08.426	art project is the only service 

2017-03-11 17:45:08.427	organization here. 

2017-03-11 17:45:08.428	My question is, in the space of 

2017-03-11 17:45:13.624	arts and military, in the space 

2017-03-11 17:45:19.797	where does a veterans service 

2017-03-11 17:45:23.918	organization fit in? 

2017-03-11 17:45:23.919	What is our state -- 

2017-03-11 17:45:29.025	sustainability here? 

2017-03-11 17:45:29.026	I asked the same question about 

2017-03-11 17:45:33.096	the conference three weeks ago, 

2017-03-11 17:45:38.276	I can't remember, I asked this 

2017-03-11 17:45:40.311	question and we did not have an 

2017-03-11 17:45:42.341	answer for it. 

2017-03-11 17:45:42.342	There are a lot of organizations

2017-03-11 17:45:47.419	that fizzle out, this is just 10 

2017-03-11 17:45:48.463	of a lingering question, what is 

2017-03-11 17:45:51.516	the sustainability of this 

2017-03-11 17:45:51.517	linkage to the community. 

2017-03-11 17:45:53.552	This intermediary between the 

2017-03-11 17:45:55.632	armed forces, there are 40 

2017-03-11 17:45:57.627	thousands of us. 

2017-03-11 17:45:59.668	>> Is there a resource challenge 

2017-03-11 17:46:05.849	with a 40,000. 

2017-03-11 17:46:06.852	It is interesting, we have been 

2017-03-11 17:46:10.965	focusing on a lot of the 

2017-03-11 17:46:10.966	resource challenges. 

2017-03-11 17:46:13.046	There are a lot of hands. 

2017-03-11 17:46:21.216	I wanted Maureen to get a

2017-03-11 17:46:22.257	chance. 

2017-03-11 17:46:22.258	Is there anything you're hearing 

2017-03-11 17:46:24.344	that has been dropped that you 

2017-03-11 17:46:25.409	want to go into this? 

2017-03-11 17:46:28.463	She has been listening the whole 

2017-03-11 17:46:31.516	time. 

2017-03-11 17:46:31.517	>> I am or a fly on the wall, 

2017-03-11 17:46:35.639	this may or may not be of 

2017-03-11 17:46:36.675	interest to people, what I heard 

2017-03-11 17:46:38.722	was a little bit of shining a 

2017-03-11 17:46:41.788	way, having a hesitance to 

2017-03-11 17:46:48.928	engage with the question that 

2017-03-11 17:46:48.928	Carl tried to put on the table 

2017-03-11 17:46:49.967	this morning with politics. 

2017-03-11 17:46:51.005	People say this is political, 

2017-03-11 17:46:59.058	and weed out work with the best. 

2017-03-11 17:47:03.165	Some people say art is always 

2017-03-11 17:47:05.218	political, we need to make 

2017-03-11 17:47:05.219	change, we need to stop this. 

2017-03-11 17:47:05.22	Getting back to Andrea's idea, 

2017-03-11 17:47:17.415	what is that conversation if 

2017-03-11 17:47:20.435	this work is all about the part 

2017-03-11 17:47:23.506	of civic literacy. 

2017-03-11 17:47:23.507	What is the end, I would try to 

2017-03-11 17:47:32.667	start -- stop war. 

2017-03-11 17:47:34.717	Early trying to encourage people 

2017-03-11 17:47:37.814	to enlist, I do not know. 

2017-03-11 17:47:37.815	I think it may be related to 

2017-03-11 17:47:39.798	that. 

2017-03-11 17:47:39.799	I keep wondering about the title 

2017-03-11 17:47:44.876	of the event. 

2017-03-11 17:47:44.877	>> One more. 

2017-03-11 17:47:58.095	>> Or short I wanted to add that 

2017-03-11 17:48:04.173	we have seen some truly 

2017-03-11 17:48:05.221	substantial, powerful

2017-03-11 17:48:08.248	performances over the last 

2017-03-11 17:48:08.249	couple of days. 

2017-03-11 17:48:08.25	Right now we do not have 

2017-03-11 17:48:13.348	projects that aspire to the 40 

2017-03-11 17:48:18.552	location to our. 

2017-03-11 17:48:20.6	Or the big theaters, neither are 

2017-03-11 17:48:23.669	they there appeared in the 

2017-03-11 17:48:26.78	hospital, they are somewhere in 

2017-03-11 17:48:26.781	the middle. 

2017-03-11 17:48:26.782	Projects that are local that did 

2017-03-11 17:48:30.882	not need to to her, they are 

2017-03-11 17:48:33.971	also substantial nonetheless. 

2017-03-11 17:48:33.972	I want to make sure we have that 

2017-03-11 17:48:38.097	engaged. 

2017-03-11 17:48:38.098	>> Is the first on the 

2017-03-11 17:48:46.33	particular group has gathered in 

2017-03-11 17:48:46.335	this way, we are not going to 

2017-03-11 17:48:50.383	cover the whole thing. 

2017-03-11 17:48:50.384	It is good to have a sense of 

2017-03-11 17:48:52.412	what the neck it covered. 

2017-03-11 17:48:52.413	Some of what you can do in your 

2017-03-11 17:48:57.501	breakouts is to dig into some of 

2017-03-11 17:48:57.502	these things are in where you 

2017-03-11 17:49:00.548	are feeling there was not enough 

2017-03-11 17:49:03.612	conversation. 

2017-03-11 17:49:03.613	That will be tomorrow. 

2017-03-11 17:49:03.615	I am going to hand this back to 

2017-03-11 17:49:07.719	Jamie, she can tell us the next 

2017-03-11 17:49:09.757	plan. 

2017-03-11 17:49:09.759	>> Thank you very much. 

2017-03-11 17:49:15.873	I want to do a quick logistical 

2017-03-11 17:49:18.955	rundown and that have James tell 

2017-03-11 17:49:25.006	you about these groups tomorrow 

2017-03-11 17:49:25.008	and give you a heads up I think 

2017-03-11 17:49:28.144	you can be thinking about 

2017-03-11 17:49:28.145	tonight. 

2017-03-11 17:49:28.146	The first announcement is a. 

2017-03-11 17:49:34.267	If you want to hang out later on 

2017-03-11 17:49:36.339	tonight, if you are not tired

2017-03-11 17:49:39.409	and want to have a beer, wine, 

2017-03-11 17:49:41.41	the hotel does have a bar. 

2017-03-11 17:49:44.416	I want to designate that. 

2017-03-11 17:49:45.418	We can have an informal 

2017-03-11 17:49:50.542	gathering place, it is the

2017-03-11 17:49:55.63	Emerald lounge. 

2017-03-11 17:49:55.631	It is vaguely themed after the 

2017-03-11 17:49:57.631	Wizard of Oz unfortunately. 

2017-03-11 17:49:57.632	You can meet there. 

2017-03-11 17:50:00.745	They do not allow tennis shoes?

2017-03-11 17:50:12.042	I need to think about that. 

2017-03-11 17:50:12.042	I do not have the brain capacity 

2017-03-11 17:50:21.2	to respond to that could change. 

2017-03-11 17:50:23.262	Maybe there should be a 

2017-03-11 17:50:26.344	different meeting spots. 

2017-03-11 17:50:26.345	The second thing I will say it 

2017-03-11 17:50:30.423	is daylight savings time

2017-03-11 17:50:32.502	tonight, we spring forward one 

2017-03-11 17:50:35.588	hour. 

2017-03-11 17:50:35.589	I want to make sure that 

2017-03-11 17:50:39.677	everybody knows that