After nearly a year in their new shared leadership positions, the four co-directors of HERE Arts Center reflect on the ways they’ve learned to lead together.

In this conversation from the 2024 American Society for Theatre Research (ASTR) conference, multihyphenate artists Annalisa Dias and Madeline Sayet came together for a conversation on the conference’s themes of ecology, decomposition, and creation.

In their individual and collective artistic practices, Annalisa Dias and Applied Mechanics model more just and accessible futures for theatre. Their MicroCosmos encounter explores immersive theatremaking, collaborative leadership, and a desire to end the obsession with artistic “vision.”

Annalisa Dias and Ronee Penoi, on behalf of Groundwater Arts, argue that there cannot be a just arts sector within an unjust world, and that contrary to what people think, arts workers do have the means and the agency to make change. What is needed is a new narrative.

Annalisa Dias and Ronee Penoi discuss decolonizing theatre, building trust and relationships across difference, and the act of witnessing.